ROUND 2: Johnny vs. Sonic Frontiers 

...wut

I get that reference!

FaKeR!

My left raycon earbud went out. Can’t in good faith recommend this.

.exe is lame

Yeah that along got a laugh out of me.

Good bit did indeed get a chuckle from me

that bit made my day lmao

GUN Soldiers: Wait! That's Illegal!

Same lmao

Between this video and Bikuribox12's review, Final Horizon sure does get people talking.

I wonder how much longer the round 2 for Final Fantasy 14 is gonna be

​@Driff97 yeah almost every single review or video talking about it has been like an hour long I haven't even played the game and I've spent like a day of my life on sonic frontiers

Just wait until Round 2: Sonic 06

OH MY GOD! I’M SO SICK! OH NO NOT AGAAAAAAAAAINNNNN!

dootdoot dodododododododo dootdoot

YOU KNOW ME THE FIGHTING FREAK KNUCKLES! AND WE’RE PUMPKIN HILL! YOU READY?!

I miss my wife Tails

@@emmanuelmondesir8677 I'll be back.

how...in the motherfuck did they mess that up lmfao

​@@Kingdom850sonic team IS still a Japanese company to my knowledge. Not every bit of translation is bound to hit right

@@arcane1012 They could have exchanged images if they misunderstood what the script said.

@@Kingdom850 that's assuming they realized there was a misunderstanding tho

​@@arcane1012I can just imagine Ian playing the full game on release and getting to that part realizing they fucked up lmao

That makes me so happy

There's technically one cannon section that's kinda 2D but yeah

I didn't play all the stages yet but of what I played they've been 3D

That's not saying much though.

@@jaretco6423that is saying much. that's 17 years.

Thank you, I'm glad the effort is showing.

Now if he could _just_ make an oo. Make an 00. ...an o0. ...an O0! Just make an ∞!! ...there we go.

His general earnestness and the updates to Frontiers are legit enough to make me be just regular optimistic and not cautiously optimistic for the next game (and Shadow Generations). Man's heart seems to be in the right place and he and the team proved they can cook some fun levels with the DLC cyberspace stages. It's nice to be just generally hyped for new things and not be nervous anymore.

Wow what's up Sam.

Sam!

You don't have a verified mark? I thought you did. The more you know.

I you're an edgelord loser because the boss themes are objectively dogshit.

And then when you actually beat Knight, that works SO well.

Jojo'd up!

MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDA MUDAAA

and when you combine it with the tighter S ranks on extreme difficulty, cyberspace becomes REALLY good

Correction. You need S ranks, not A ranks

Tails and Knuckles always had their moments as extremely good playable characters... But Amy? They made her playable appearances go from "meh" to "this is the best playable character ever!" in my opinion. They really need to bring her Frontiers playstyle back in a future game.

Sonic Boom: 🗿

That's the idea!

no they should not because I hate her!!!!!!😡

​@@jordandillow2417 Nobody asked for your senseless whining! :D

Just get ready for the same hault Johnny got 32:03 here

What other "newer" Sonic game are you even conparing it to? The extremely low bar that's Forces? Lost World, the game that came out over a decade ago? Dream Team, the game that's downright unavailable to most audiences? The legion of botched ports and rereleases? I don't mean to be antagonistic here, but saying it's the best "recent" Sonic game means less than nothing here.

@@felixdaniels37 what ever the next game it is. I am expecting to be another open zone game with higher expectations.

Kaio-what?

@@Future_Vantas Not a fan of Dragon Ball?

​@@galaxy_kitten95They made a TFS reference...

Believe it or not, in the game files, it's literally known as "Super Sonic 2" Not even joking, that's literally what the devs called it.

​@@galaxy_kitten95I thought it was an Yu-Gi-Oh reference when he said Blue-eyed.

The first time I played FH it was hell. The second time I tackled it with the spindash and knowing the mechanics better, it was easy and more fun.

I think the platforming design was well executed in FH, maybe going as far as to say the best 3D Sonic has ever had. It's Sonic and the core mechanics to an extent that get in the way. While Sonic in general feels better then he has since before the boost era, with these very precision necessary challenges Sonic does still handle jankily enough that certain sections become frustrating. The camera also absolutely does not want to work with you during a lot of it.

It's a dice roll. For me it's some of the jankiest sonic platforming. Shit is so buggy.

Oh, so I'm not the only one who looked at those star bits and thought "Is that freakin' Saint Quartz!?"

saint quartz wishes it was as generous.... dat FGO RNG....

The mandatory Titian bosses that you have to beat under 400 rings: allow us to introduce ourselves

@@naitsabes6222It’s better after they released a patch which made it easier

@@jennisgurung2760Try Extreme Difficulty then

Eeeeeeeeeehhhhhh….

@@RefreshingMirage It’s very difficult, but still possible to complete

Someone from Sega or the Frontiers team were definitely taking notes

I'm glad you also realised they want to use this to make SA3 but 8 hope they don't just go ahead and call the next game SA3. They should call it SAX, SAGT or something. This team have never made an adventure game and calling it SA3 puts too big of a burden on them to produce greatness with one attempt.

They did - 17 years ago.

it's really not that hard or troublesome to do everything in the game lmao. did it like twice as I was going through the islands. it's in no way comparable to 100% SA2, ShTH, SATBK

As someone who has 100% SA2, Mario Sunshine, and Heroes multiple times, you are correct. Having to replay every level 5 times was terrible. At least Frontiers doesn't ask you to play the game multiple times to complete it@@indecisiveponderer643

I kind of forgot about the dodge entirely because combat in this game, especially for the trial stuff and super fights, feels like it trains you to parry more than anything.

So here's the really interesting this about this. The game only tells you this for Supreme AFTER 100%ing the Final Horizon island challenges. 🙃

@@anotherjon6997they lock knowing how to beat the boss behind 100%? Thats definitely a sonic team moment

That's the thing, both times you're shown this in the base game is via an enemy shielding itself. That isn't the same with The End. You can damage it as much as you want, just that it will heal up pretty quickly. They could have just had the same shield effects on Ninja appear on The End whenever you attack it without removing the cord first, visually showing players what they have to do. However, they just create a scenario the player never encountered in the whole game for the final boss, hence the confusion. And that can be said about the rest of Final Horizon Not only are several new mechanics they've introduced not explained to the player, but remember that they're going off the ENTIRE part of the game up until that point being taught something else. No one's gonna purposely figure out you can one shot Spider+ and Tower+ by cylooping them enough times because that's not how any boss has worked in the game up until that point. They're not gonna know that Tank+ and Caterpillar+ are never going to stop attacking, and that you have to find openings within their attack patterns because every boss beforehand gives you clear openings In a way, it almost feels like FInal Horizon misguides the player by giving them challenges that doesn't build off of what they've learned on the way there, but rather deviates from them entirely

First time I played FH this flat out didn't work. Took dozens of tries to beat, even when I knew the 'trick'. Second playthrough months later it worked every time and I killed him right away. I'm convinced they had to patch something.

The question is whether or not Sonic Team have the skill and brain to make such a game, and whether or not Sega is willing to support them. However, if the next game DOES turn out the way fans want it to, it HAS to sell well. If not, Sega will once again think that investing money in Sonic is a big waste and keep making rushed and low-budget games.

@@roiitzkovich4545 Another question is if Sega can let these guys push their limits and not get ahead of themselves. Because they certainly did somehow with Sonic Superstars in the state it was released. Super Mario Bros. Wonder still kicks that game in the rear. Sega has an ongoing issue with this kind of nonsense, and it has gotten in the way of Sonic Team and any other developer in charge of making a Sonic game. And I've been worried for the incoming Sega games like Jet Set Radio, Streets of Rage(Bare Knuckle), Shinobi and any project in the works for this very reason.

I remember seeing people ask how to perform a "Perfect Parry", due to such a thing not being needed beforehand. I think some people even thought it was a new addition added to the DLC, since, you know, you'd prepare to parry, but Sonic would still get hit.

That's correct, getting all S ranks in the cyber space challenge unlocks the Power Boost for cyber space, it makes you significantly faster

@@jubbalub exactly

geez really? lol stuff like this is why i'm glad i'm not part of any fandoms 😅

I 100% agree. RGG has been making the same game for almost 20 years, and yet the games they make are still praised. The open zone style in frontiers has the same potential imho, and i think they can stick around for a long time. Adding stuff from those yakuza/LaD games will also improve the formula like substories or additiinal minigames. 'Open your hear' karaoke, anyone?

Problem is that the more we learn about the development process and how Sonic Team/SEGA are struggling to see what separates industry leaders from Frontiers, the more it becomes clear that they don't have a good handle on what the appeal and success of Frontiers is about or what is needed to build on it. Call me pessimistic but every new piece of info I hear makes more think the next game will not be a smooth evolution of the formula but a haphazard attempt of many different ideas crammed in at once without the team size, budget, creativity experience crucially time to pull it off

For the first thing, the problem with that is that some sliders are something you want set differently for exploration vs precise platforming, in particular the midair friction slider which makes exploring and going fast so much more enjoyable because it allows you to actually make good use out of momentum, but it makes ultra precise platforming a nightmare. Yes, you can change it any time, but it's annoying to keep doing. I'm also not sure that second one is a fun fact, seems more like an assumption and not even one that makes sense, because a slow turn in 2D isn't remotely as problematic as in 3D.

I'm pretty sure that's exactly the case. One of the big criticisms of Frontiers shortly after release was about how easy it was, even on hard mode. To me, it seems that Sonic Team over-corrected in an attempt to address that criticism.

@@tripodranger7873 My problem isn't the fact that they made the game harder, it's the fact that they went in such an extreme direction to make the game hard that it becomes incredibly unfun as a result.

@@zacharylandrum4789That's what I'm saying. That's what "over-corrected" means. Making the game harder was the correct direction. But they went too far in that direction, thus they over-corrected.

To be fair, I fought this dude several times over before seeing the "not enough rings" variant and losing. I think you have to actively try to be below 100 rings at that point.

Making the game harder doesn't always mean it'll be good. If there something that seems unfair, cheap, obnoxious or all the above, that's more of an frustrations. Not fair challenge. Which is an big problem.

If my opinion counts for anything, I didn’t play Sonic 06 until last month and I don’t understand why people make such a big fuss about it. It’s a meh game, nothing more, nothing less. At least for me. I played Colors 2 weeks ago because my friend said it was really good, but I just couldn’t stand it. A boost 3D Sonic where most of my time was 2D, I could beat levels in under 30 seconds, and there was slow moving platforming in during boost era. It’s the last time I ask what Sonic game is recommended.

06 is still not a good game, but at least there are stuff that show some effort, like the level design. And of course P-06 exists to show that the game (gameplay mostly) has good potential. Forces is just worse, and I kinda doubt that game can get the same yet strange treatment as 06. Rise of Lyric? Oh yeah, that game Sega screwed Little Red Button over it...

​@@veggsbacon1891 Forces is not as good as 06 but definitely better than Colours and Frontiers.

⁠@@genyakozlov1316 lmao slop eater spotted, thank god Sonic Team stopped listening to fans cause yall have horrendous taste

I never played RoL or Forces, but I remember '06 was fun for the wrong reasons. I had the patience to figure out the controls so I could get it to function properly, and once I could consistently do what I wanted I messed around with the buginess of it all. I will say it's objectively bad, but I still enjoyed it as a kid for VERY subjective reasons.

So pretty much unleashed after 06. Good foundation but needs improvement.

@@thetrophygamer3606 Precisely. So if the pattern persists, next game we'll probably get the fat trimmed a bit, and then the game after that will be absolutely beloved upon release.

Um no we have spark and rascal

​@@thetrophygamer3606And than something like Frontiers 2 improved on everything to make it an near perfect gameplay style. Like Generations did from Unleashed.

*Pissed Sonic walks slowly*

Still better then the power of friendship line my God that was horrible

@@tailsprowerfan2729 What "Power of Friendship" line?

@@atasker7432 form sonic forces

It's also not as cheap and other BS moments.

It’s way better than in sunshine because you actually have a spin dash that lets you break the game in the most fun way possible. ;))

accurate, considerin that game (and sonic 1) was what lizuka compared frontiers to during interviews.

Don't compare and insult Unleashed to Frontiers.

@@ataladin87 I wasn't insulting either game, Unleashed is my first Sonic game and is in my top 5, I was praising both for their ambition and passion.

Ignore the Unleashed fanboy. He knows he'll never get a port of the opening cutscene.@@ultrasonic4220

The ambition in Unleashed led to one of the worst playstyles in the series and it's the Werehog. Thankfully it was one of the few times Sega correctly learned when they just dropped it in the next game, because the Werehog is the complete antithesis of the series's core aspect.

@@ultrasonic4220 except Unleashed is good in storytelling and execution, while Frontiers isn't. Not the same.

he was struggling with some mental health issues as a result of running the channel, so he took a small break. the community showered him with praise after he talked about it in his past video (sonic dream team). i myself hope he’s learned to take a step back when needed and give himself time to breathe away from everything

@@kaphizmey6229 I see, thanks for the info as I had not known about this

@@jaretco6423 Trust me, HYPE doesn't even describe it.

Rise of Lyric will be 10 years later this year… Oh wait, there’s already apologists for the game, just watch the commentary on BrainScratch