After enjoying all the hate make sure to check out my follow up video playlist, listing the long list of major problems and the safety recall on this hunk of crap gun. Enjoy the Ruger sh@t Show updates here. ru-vid.com/group/PLu1oX3TpCFA3lcCk1KSjcZBodbmTDkj9_
@@l.g.brandon1451 No I have an issue with a shit gun. I own over 10 rugers not counting the 2 5.7 Rugers. This gun is crap. Frames breaking, ejectors falling out, mag catch buttons falling out, Slides rusting, falling apart or slide parts breaking, bad magazines, out of spec chambers on the barrel, recoil guide spring rods breaking caused by horribly finished burs on the inner edges of the spring shaving the rod down. This ruger is pure shit. PSA Rock is cheaper and light years better and gives the FsN a run for it's money as a duty grade pistol and not some cheap plinker.
“This is why ruger says not to carry it with a round in the chamber” ALL THEIR GUNS SAY THAT!!! it doesn’t mean they’re not drop safe it means they’re covering their asses legally.
There is a video of a gun dropping the Ruger from over a 3-4 foot ladder no hammer dropped and he clamped it into a vice and hot it with a hammer no misfire at all the spring doesn't store energy and if the safety is good you can carry it with one in the chamber
I can’t understand this drop thing. In your mind should be clear that if throw any firearm in the ground something will happen, is call being carefully with something that you should have discipline and safety in every angle possible. More people will shoot someone or something or even them before this firearm goes off. It’s call human error not the firearm.
if someone t bones you and you flip your car you'll wish your gun was drop safe. Ruger is a brand for poors. No better than Taurus, in fact usually worse. Ruger is in line with SCCY & Rock island armory.
I have a Ruger 57 and haven’t had any issues with it. The mag is tight going in, the sights were WAAAAAY off out of the box, but aside from that, it’s a great gun.
All I’m going to say is, Ruger makes mule guns, and it works in the harsh Alaska weather, 60 below makes everything malfunction and so far no malfunctions.
Yes they do, though to be fair those are mostly revolvers. I've never had a ruger revolver not go bang and it be the firearms fault. Their auto loaders not so much. They are good but not solid like their revolvers.
@@NickFrom1228 Thank you for saying that. Needed to be said. I have seen Ruger auto loaders malfunction. Never a wheelgun, which is what you should be carrying in Bear country.
@@NickFrom1228 I have never seen a wheel gun fail to fire due to temperature no matter the manufacturer. Ammo yes I have seen that fail due to temp/humidity/or just plain getting wet.
@@rogerhancock8732 The only failure I have ever had in a wheelgun (not counting 22lr) is a magtech 357 round whose primer was recessed so far the firing pin barely made a dent. How they managed to have such a deep primer pocket or shallow primer I'll never know but it didn't give me much confidence in magtech ammo.
I own 2 Ruger 57s and I own Sig Sauers. The Ruger 57 is a great gun. I have no issue with the safety or mag release. It shoots alot smoother than the FN in my opinion.
Me too brother but remember there are only 2 markets match and self defense lol these guys and there mushy trigger shit make me laugh its not a 1911 or 1860 I can punch holes at 1700fps with in 1" at 75 yds with this trigger. Ever shoot a stock sdv40?
Well, there is a difference between manually releasing the sear with the gun disassembled, and the probability of it being released by being dropped, or bumped, or joggled in the field. I looked through all the Ruger product literature and see where they talk about the trigger having greater than standard engagement combined with a strong sear spring so that does factor into the issue. For example, double-action revolvers are viewed as inherently safe due to the long, "heavyish" DA trigger pull needed to fire them. However, if we hook that trigger on a fixed item and press the gun into it, 11-13 pounds of force can be achieved rather easily, thus causing the gun to fire! In the R57 case, it does appear the hammer drops fully when the sear is manually released, but how much measured force does that take? What is the total engagement surface area between sear and hammer? Is the engagement "positive" in nature, meaning if the two parts are bumped with enough force to make them "slip" but not let go, will the sear and hammer return to full engagement? While 1911 pattern pistols have a hammer blocking thumb safety, and trigger blocking grip safety, most have nothing preventing the inertia firing pin from vaulting forward in the event of a perfect, nose-on strike onto a hard surface, and this potential is often discussed as if it's a near-certainty, whereas in real life it's more of a "highly unlikely" event. So there is one example of an unsafe design dating from before 1911 that has managed to wend its way down the path of history to remain one of the most popular designs sold today! So popular in fact, that virtually EVERYBODY produces a copy of it and only a few incorporate a "fancy" firing pin block device! Yet we don't hear, or read about 1911's going bang every few days due to being dropped "just right". Something unique to the 1911 is that if the thumb safety isn't correctly fitted, when the gun is cocked and locked and someone presses the trigger, then releases, upon swiping off the thumb safety, the hammer can drop...granted it's the result of improper fitment, but still, it's possible. As to the suggestion that sear engagement alone isn't sufficient to counter a potential drop, let me recount the tale of the first commercially available HK-91s in the United States. The trigger pull was HORRIFIC! Such a trigger pull would NEVER be allowed on an American designed rifle. The "excuse" for this is that HK "designed" the trigger and sear engagement to remain solid even when dropped 80 feet from an airplane onto the ground - safety off! WTF? With that kind of sear engagement, they didn't need a manual safety at all! Luckily I was able to figure out how to improve the trigger to near-match standards and subsequently used that rifle to win a High Powered rifle match! But the point is, that rifle - as delivered, was NEVER going to just "go bang" from being dropped! Then comes the real probability of a discharge during normal handling due to the sear being "bumped". When wearing a gun, the human body acts like a giant shock absorber. Leaping from tall buildings onto concrete, or ejecting from planes where a 40 G deceleration might be encountered on the whole person, does NOT translate to that R57 in a chest holster! While some degree of absolute probability of the sear and hammer jumping out of engagement must exist, the PRACTICAL probability of such an event is a decimal followed by a long string of zeros before you reach the number "1". It just ain't gonna happen. If the R57 is bobbled on the draw by some urban commando, CAN if fire if it hits just the right way on just the right surface? Maybe, but what is the REAL likelihood of this happening? I'd say about on par with being hit on the head by a frog tossed out of a clear sky from a thunderstorm two counties over....yeah, even then, being hit by the frog is more likely! Anyone who has, does, or will carry a 1911 pattern pistol with no internal firing pin block, in the condition known as "cocked and locked" (we know that ALL urban commandos constantly direct the sheeple to always carry with a round in the chamber) is no LESS safe, nor more greatly endangered by carrying a Ruger 57 chambered. Does this constitute "advice" that anyone carry the R57 chambered? Sure, if you want, go ahead! You won't be at any greater PRACTICAL risk than carrying any number of other guns chambered, to include MOST 1911 pattern pistols!
Yeah, like I said to another guy. If I find one at a cool price, I’ll purchase myself a Ruger 57. I’m wheelchair bound, so I’ll probably have it strapped across my chest. Being in the chair all of the time, I don’t tend to drop things. Be Safe!
In your situation I would opt for a revolver , the 3 inch 7 shot s&w 357 would be perfect. I say this because with most assaults the perp is right up on you. If you are holding someone with one hand and have gun pushed in their side it may not fire. If you push hard enough it will push the slide back enough to keep the weapon from firing. I would also hide 2-3 push daggers on your chair. You will know the best places. Stay away from mace. If you use it you won't be able to escape back mist. A charter arms 44 bulldog is also a good choice with the right ammo. You could always buy both .
@@jetsabove3061 You Ruger fans boys all share the same teet. The gun is trash from bad magazines, rusting slides, mag releases falling out, sights falling off, barrel chamber under spec, oh and no damn safety holding the hammer when it's cocked or a passive firing pin block. Nice to know you morons didn't watch the whole video or you would have known that.
Directly from the fn 57 2020 manual: “With an additional round in the chamber, the pistol has a total capacity of 11 or 21 rounds. However, as we recommend that, unless shooting is imminent, no round should be loaded in the chamber of the pistol, the recommended maximum carrying capacity is 10 or 20 rounds in the magazine with the chamber empty.”
@@thisismagacountry1318 No the point is this guy is making a big fucking deal about Ruger saying not to carry a round in the chamber. Every fucking manufacturer says that!
Directly from the Sig P320 manual (The official side-arm of the US military and an approved duty weapon for many major Police Departments in the US) "Do not load a round into the chamber until you are ready to use the pistol. If your firearm is equipped with a manual safety, keep the safety ON and your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire. Always move the safety to its intended position and visually check it. The safety is not ON unless it is completely ON."
I have a Ruger 57. I have had no issues with it. Trigger is good, sights good, magazine feeds good. My take down pin is captured. I carry it on my 4-wheeler, UTV or tractor around the property. I have never had a problem. I only concern is today, 06/24/2020 I am having a hard time finding ammo. But I have plenty, but more is better! JMHO
Thanks for going into more detail as to why this firearm is unsafe to carry. I had planned on carrying this, but was still waiting the holster company I like to release a holster for it. I saw Tim's review on the Ruger-57 and didn't fully understand the issues with the passive block. He'd pointed out that the manual stated that it should be carried with an empty chambered, but I noticed that the manuals for my two carry guns (American Compact and LCP II) had the same language. This led me to believe that it was just Ruger's legal department covering themselves.
Theres a very good video of about drop testing the ruger 57, he drops it from i think 5ft different angles even puts it in a vice and smacks it with a hammer (hard), he has a unloaddd round with a unhit primer to prove that it doesnt go off. Even fiddling with the free floating pin im not worried at all.
I picked one of these up for fun, after watching this video, I spent a fair amount of time trying to get the hammer to drop with the slide on. Smacking it pretty good against a pine board on the front and back, with the safety on and off I was not able to get the hammer to drop. With the safety off impacts to the barrel/ front would shift the entire slide back about 1/8-1/4 in back, disengaging the transfer bar- but not dropping the hammer. Rear impacts had no real effect. I’d be interested to see somebody really beat one up to see if it happens. I’ll be watching this as I see that it’s a concern, but hoping somebody will do some real drop tests and see what happens. Not a carry gun for me, so I’m not really concerned beyond an interest to see what happens.
I totally agree Ruger told me that all their pistols are drop safe and I did the same test I smacked my Ruger 5 7 trying to make it go off at what it so they must know what they're doing I'm not discounting with Jai wolf as saying and in theory he's probably correct but in reality it's not going off
The problem with this argument is it only counts one's own personal experience. I would imagine (just making up a number) that 9,999 out of 10,000 Ruger 57s could be dropped countless times without a problem. But the other 1 out of 10,000 may have a slight defect that exacerbates the danger presented in a lack of a drop safety, thereby posing a significant hazard to the user (whereas a gun with a drop safety would still have that extra fail-safe).
Yeah, like I said to another guy. If I find one at a cool price, I’ll purchase myself a Ruger 57. I’m wheelchair bound, so I’ll probably have it strapped across my chest. Being in the chair all of the time, I don’t tend to drop things. Be Safe!
Its been dropped tested hundreds of times and hasnt once misfired. Ruger isnt going to be sued, they clearly explain the safety concern in the manual in regards to the fired pin. People stop acting like you know all.
Ruger took their double action system and made it single. Mark my words they will have to fix this. Remington got away with if decades with the safety onthe 700 but in the end they paid. So speaking of Remington. Also in the last few weeks we found out WHY Ruger was cutting corners to save every penny. They are bidding to buy out Remington.
Jerm just was able to get one by amazing chance 2 days ago at my local gun shop (same spot I got my FN 57) on a call in to the shop. Prior to that it was almost impossible to find. Depending on what you are will to pay to get in on one you can go on GunBroker.com and there is many selling on the bid lines and you can go straight pay now option but I’m sure it will have a higher MSRP then the base $799. Check also with Mike&Kates Sports shop out of Philadelphia (where I got mines) or Tanners our side of Philly. I see none of the problems Jay mentioned as of yet and I have started testing almost as soon as I got it home. It shoot smooth to me I like the ergonomics and overall feel of the R57. The FN Five-Seven is just in its own lane and they’re both with pro & cons; since I have both I can’t complain and will carry both as a CCW. I checked everything that jay pointed out thus far and mines doesn’t seem to have the same issues honestly, so maybe it’s just the particular gun he was sent I can’t say but mines hasn’t shown the same issues.
I’m left handed and also cursed with stubby thumbs. I usually switch magazine releases to the right side to be like everyone else. Not so here, it’s easier to release to mag from the left side with my index finger. Point being, try (for right handers) switching the mag release to the right and use your index finger, it’s sooo much easier. Righties? Get used to it, us lefties have been doing it for years on 1911s. We also use the index finger on slide levers. Give it a try.
“There’s nothing locking the hammer in place...... except the sear engagement” well maybe that’s why we aren’t supposed to re-arrange the insides of our guns in a detrimental way and then drop them. There are lots of guns with no passive safety and no locked hammer, and they’re drop safe all the same.
But they aren't cocked and locked hammer firearms. Show me a cocked and locked hammer pistol manufactured in the last 30 years that does not have ether a passive firing pin block or a safety that locks the hammer.
Jay Wolf Elite Ammunition ok, well it’s one thing to refuse to perform modifications to a weapon because you’re not comfortable with some of its design. That’s always your prerogative. But it’s is entirely another thing to spread false information about the functionality and safety of a weapon.
@UC84APPNleuHE5okGpUg6qcw I can cut and paste an email from Ruger where the rep admits there is vague non descript information spread out over numerous locations. Based on their made up adjectives then explain to me in detail how their trigger works using common terms that the rest of the world uses. Good luck because the Ruger rep couldn't. We left of our conversation with him telling me I need to dig deeper into the fire control group. Ruger stated this, they could not explain in detail.
The reason we know there won’t be a recall is the Security 9. Same setup. No passive firing pin block. It’s been out for a couple years, no lawsuits that I’m aware of. No real problems outside of isolated issues that all guns have. I wouldn’t appendix carry the 57, but I also wouldn’t appendix carry a Glock. I have zero problem carrying the 57 at four o’clock. You’re kind of pointing out what could be potential problems and acting like any of this is new or somehow unique to the 57. This gun seems safe to me. I’ve hit it with a dead blow, drop tested it, and done everything I can to make it not safe. It just is.
Watch the operation video here www.ruger.com/products/ruger57/models.html You make a point; but I have to wonder if when you are manually disengaging the sear with your pick, that you are also moving it so far as to nullify the secondary hammer catch that is supposed to prevent the hammer from fully falling when the trigger is not pressed. Additionally, the hammer is not fully cocked until the trigger is fully pulled so as to create additional sear engagement and make it more unlikely for the sear to disengage without the trigger being fully pressed. Finally, the firing pin is not free floating; but rather resists movement via spring tension and the pin itself is titanium and has little inertial mass to be affected by all but the hammer. Life is a game of risks and we must all determine a level that is personally acceptable. I will carry the Ruger 57 in condition 1. P.S. Please produce more T6B ammo... great stuff!
Switch the magazine release over to the other side so you can operate the magazine release with the index finger the same way you would do with the ar 15.
Nice try to pre-empt the criticism of your video by calling out the "ruger fanboys" before you even start. I don't own a ruger at all, I'm just looking into getting one of these five sevens. I always carry without one in the chamber. I understand what that means for my reaction ability and accept the risk of being in an encounter where I would need an extra 2 seconds. The way I see it, I would only ever engage if I had time to consciously and positively identify the need to engage. I know a lot of guys claim you have to play fast an lose because the average encounter is over in X seconds, whatever. I'll take the additional safety, and the inherent time to positively decide to engage. That being said, as others in the comments have mentioned, the whole don't carry with one in the chamber is legal ass covering. Let's be honest. All of your other gripes are valid as they are opinion, and should be expected on an opinion video.
Actually they are facts. Fact slides rust to hell. Fact magazines are massively out of spec and this is a major issue dozens of new owners are having. Fact some chambers are running out of spec. Fact I make 5.7 ammo for a living. fact I want to sell more ammo. Fact I will not put lipstick on this ppig to sell more ammo.
Can you try to make the trigger go off without taking the gun apart? Safety test or anything? Try dropping it or throwing it or something and see if you can get the trigger to go off while gun is fully assembled.
Yep, but here is the thing either way slide on or off the safety does not lock the hammer and there us no passive firing pin block. Even in the manual for the Ruger 57 is states to not carry it with a round in the chamber.
I bought one and feel no need to defend its purchase. I own Rugers ,GSG , Rock Island, Marlins, Taurus, Heritage, Howa, Colts , Stevens and more do I care what anyone thinks of my purchases um that would be NO I don't care they are mine and I love to get out to hunt and target shoot. They all shoot well and I have fun that's all that matters
well I don't recommend carrying it either. Throwing needles at people you'd have to shoot too many rounds. Hammer fired but so is a 1911 but it throws an ashtray. Also I've got a Victory trigger.
1) There are dozens of guns out there that have swappable magazine catches and none of them are as sloppy as this one. 2) Retaining pin on 2 guns have fallen out under normal use. I know the firearms instructor personly who it happened to.
@@EliteAmmunition i just discovered a different problem, do not dry fire without an empty mag in the gun, why, well this has never happened to me before today but if you do dry fire without a mag the extractor with say f*** you i quit and go bouncing all willy nilly like across the floor. Side nit the hammer will equally say duces and hang out in the mag well, this will take you 15mins to fix all of this, see what happens when you get bored and dry fire a stupid plastic round?????? Further why isn't this told in the manual, it says don't dry fire with the slide off, nothing about without a mag, grrr i fixded it tho so meh 🤷♂️
You sound like a hater i literally watched 16 reviews about this this Gun and haven’t heard anything bad what’s your angle this is by far the best 5.7 out better than fn and Cheaper
Because I don't like it, what part of that don't you understand? The ruger is not ready for prime time and to make things worse ruger cut corners to much. Rusting slides, shit magazines and inconsistent chamber sizes. So you watched 16 reviews by people who don't want to upset ruger and stop getting guns to review.
@@Kevinj36541 well MAC lost any credibility with me when he said the American 45 hurt his dish pan hands. Ive got a 10/22 2 blackhawk 44s the kodiak an American the five7 and a sr2011/1911. Am I a sr fan boy no but sr makes great guns. How about you hold it like its a gun and don't drop it?
I’ve tried hundreds of times to get mine to drop the hammer - by dropping it or banging it around. I’ve dropped it, banged it on walls, I’ve used a hard plastic hammer. I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong here... If the mass of everything was designed to be very safe without a firing pin block...is that an issue? The firing pin spring...the part that only allows the pin to work when struck hard enough...is really really stiff stuff. Or...are more people like this guy, just looking at it and expecting that there has to be a firing pin safety in there and absolutely its absence means YOU WILL all be killed - statistically of course - as time reaches to infinity... Have you not seen what happens to a Glock when something in that firing pin safety gets broken and jammed? NO, REALLY - ALL of my OTHER semiautomatic pistols have a firing pin safety and this means (totally logically) that the Ruger 57 is unsafe! Wait, what? ;) Well, I’m glad I don’t really know anyone who would assume things like this without actual testing backing it up (or having read a thorough test report) - regardless, I am still going to try to get mine to drop the hammer in a fall or impact - but so far the testing results have been really good! I have a background is in destructive testing and evaluation - I’ll find a way to get it to drop the hammer. So far, WRT hazards to carry, the problems have either been elusive or non-existent or even perhaps so unlikely that it simply does not merit concern. I’ll stick with it. Me, personally, if the concern is just that it might go off (although incredibly rarely) while you are pistol whipping someone with a round in the chamber, then it’s possible this is a non-issue for me. I’m not a fan of pistol whipping...but I’m just one guy. One guy who has seen way more than one FN57 fall apart out of the box. The first mark had some serious issues, well documented. The FN57 Mk2 has some new issues and some old issues, but it’s still a decent weapon and having worked with them regarding other FN products, I believe that FN has been reasonably good at making things right with the owners. (Ruger has an excellent reputation for same.) FWIW, I consider most of the FN57 issues (old and new) to be Quality Control-related as opposed to them just being “bad” or “unsafe” by design. I’ve been reading some of the forum posts about the FN (since about 2005) and the Ruger since its announcement... The problem with these (or indeed, forum posts about similar issues with many other firearms) is that they don’t seem to be reliable reports... Indeed, you seriously must take what you read with a grain of salt. (I don’t know why it is, but pretty much every firearm has been known to have the occasional issue out of the box. Every manufacturer has some sort of Quality Control and Quality Assurance program. What I’d like to see is all the data on build and service for each weapon from the manufacturer - minus the serial number. I want to do an analysis on that data, I want it bad! They need not include the serial numbers in the data for it to be *very* meaningful. Alas, the likelihood of getting that data is extremely low... Lawyers would freak out and kill the idea regardless of how well conceived and executed it was.)
I holster my Para P14 in CCW cross draw and perfectly comfortable to rack now with LH as i acquire with RH, it is ready to fire as i bring it level. i will definitely get a Ruger 57 for wt loss y that round alone. Thanks Jay for your detailed thorough mechanical assessment.
What a goofball. Ill be sure not to carry mine with one in the tube and an ice pick jammed under the slide with a safety Sally trying to disconnect the 🔨
i work in the firearm industry. bought one. worst thing i could have done. rear sight blade and mechanism so sloppy that horizontal dispersion was about 2 feet at 25 feet. returned to ruger. replaced slide supposedly, still is so sloppy that you can twist the sight, but the sight blade spring seems better. note the sarcasm.
Hey Jay, River 57 fan boy here. I also am a believer in improving anything that comes to mind as a precaution. I really like my 57 but I do not carry it for that very reason that you mentioned. It is a new development firearm and has to be field tested to earn its credibility. I believe your heart is in the right place. I hope Ruger has the good sense to look at this from the point of view for precautions sake.
Love my ruger 57. No problems at all. Going to carry it everyday. Got a FN. . No better than any other gun. My hand fit real good on my gun. Your hand might just be to fat to fit around it. Get real you just like the FN. Shoot it a lot . No problem. Get off of RU-vid. Talk a little bit to much for me.
Then don't watch my videos. Funny my fat hand has no issues with the larger five seven grip. Get real dumbass I sell 5.7 ammo for a living. The more this guns sells the more money I make. I have a vested interest to LIE about this crap gun. Yet Itold the truth. It's not ready for primetime. Ruger cut to many corners. From rusting slides to out of spec magazines.
Watch the whole video through. There is a wealth of knowledge here that you can benefit from even if your particular issue is not applicable. Take in the facts, sit back, relax and enjoy. Jay makes the effort that I have not.
I'm not following. #1- you say this weapon is not safe to carry, as it should be carried in "rack it to crack it" state. ALL defense carry should be rack'n'crack. Live carry shows intent, and THAT is a liability. If you're not LEO/etc., you should never carry live. #2- sights - Ruger offers rear fiber optic. If you want it, buy it. I personally prefer the OEM setup... and God knows it beats Glock offerings any day of the week. #3- the trigger is very workable... and you can't judge it with an empty well. The live feel is much better, and gets better after break-in. #4- this is NOT a "match" pistol. That's obvious at a glance. A fiber front sight dictates a "match" pistol? That's like saying a hood scoop makes a dragster. #5- weights and specifications - "they basically copied the FN" no shit. Really? You're talking about a 5.7mm bore pistol with a polymer frame. You clearly state the variances in weight. What the hell did you expect? 2oz variations on two of the lightest full frame centerfire pistols on the market? That would kind of defeat the purpose DON'T YA THINK? #6- lack of passive firing pin block - you're calling for lawsuits ("just like Ruger's gonna get")? How 'bout you read the fucking manual (which you obviously did, when you stated their manual SPECIFICALLY STATES, DO NOT carry this weapon with a live round in the chamber). If you're depending on a safety to relieve your responsibility and accountability of RESPONSIBLE CARRY, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. I'm not a "Ruger fan boy" as you repeatedly state. "Ruger fan boys" aren't the only people who should be knocking you for alleging a manufacturer's preexisting supposed liability that simply DOES NOT EXIST. I don't give a damned what brand you buy. #1- ALWAYS read the manufacturer supplied literature. #2- KNOW YOUR WEAPON. #3- civilian's should NEVER carry in live state... EVER. Why? First off, it's not safe. Second... the first time you have to discharge your weapon in our modern camera laden world, and you don't have to check your weapon, it shows predisposition and intent to fire... both of which can land you a prison sentence EVEN IN A SELF DEFENSE SITUATION. #4- anyone who clearly reads the manufacturers guidelines and doesn't follow safe operation directives is part of the problem with our country. They hear some asshat like you say "lawsuit" and they go out trying to replicate the issue to make some cash. Can't we just be thankful that we have a viable, accurate, well functioning alternative to the FN at HALF THE PRICE with 98% of the functionality, a better grip, more visible sight, OEM optic prep, better function with mounted optics, an all metal upper, lower barrel axis, and better AIP than a pistol costing nearly twice as much?
Ruger 57 manual page 12 under ADITIONAL SAFETY FEATURES INCLUDE: integrated trigger safety to block the trigger unless it is intentionally pulled; neutrally balanced sear with significant engagement and strong spring tension; and HAMMER CATCH TO HELP PREVENT THE HAMMER FROM CONTACTING THE FIRING PIN UNLESS THE TRIGGER IS PULLED. I think that you could possibly be spreading misinformation.
So you didn't watch the whole video, a trigger blade is NOT a replacement or good substitution for the safety lever NOT blocking or locking the hammer in ANY WAY combines with a lack of a passive firing pin block. The pistol is cocked and NOT locked by the safety. End of story. Don't like it? Call Ruger and ask them why they didn't install a passive firing in block. ALL of my predictions bur one about this pistol have come true. It's really a hunk of shit. The one and only prediction I made that I am waiting on is a recall to install a passive firing pin block.
Safety recall already started rolling in. So you can have your safety lever up, in the safe position and the gun will still go bang. So yeah not even a damn year and the recalls have started. Dumbass. ruger.com/dataProcess/ruger57retrofit/
How many guns in this price range have a good trigger out of the box? Almost none. These along with most mass produced factory guns are average at the best.
Good I can't control what you hear. Since I sell 5.7 ammo, not FN guns and make money selling 5.7 ammo that kinda blows a hole through what you are hearing.
Oh and you better believe I love the fact the wholesale price of Five Sevens has already dropped 300 bucks. That way more people can afford one instead of this POS.
Yeah you were 100% right about this guy lmao FN fanboy, ruger is reliable in everything I've owned. How about this guy does a malfunction test on the five seven because I guarantee you it misfires , hangs and malfunctions a lot more than any other pistol you have.
@@innerdescent8210 there are videos showing FN failures. Maybe jay just got a bad gun it happens. I'll call BS on him as I have never seen a gun not even llama or high point have all the failures he presents from the one gun he's poking around in. Hell I can sit here with a pick and with enough pressure make things move and create a nonexistent failure.
Honestly your review is trash first of all i have a ruger 5.7 your hand is to small to reach the mag release & second your mag release isn’t suppose to move back & fourth like that. I also have a Glock 48 & if one is in the head & it falls of course even that gun will go off duhhhh. Ruger did a great job on the 5.7 & by this review shows you know little ab guns
To damn funny, you have no legitimate counter argument all you have is spouting out bullshit. Funny the grip on the FNH Five Seven is larger and I have no issues reaching it. Also one of the many failures of the Ruger is now the fact that the pin holding the magazine catch in have been working thier way out and falling out of the gun. The only person showing thier lack of knowledge concerning firearms is you comparing a striker fired pistol to a cocked and locked hammer fired pistol. You are a complete moron and an example of people whose access to firearms should be limited.
Don't even bother replying to this waste of space lol this guy is an idiot, he thinks he knows everything about firearms but he's an idiot. All he spouts is biased bs with unrealistic situations. He seems to think Ruger was aware of his piddly ass video a day after it was posted when I reality he prolly contacted them and started whining so their CS dept was obligated to reach out.
Only reason I don’t want the FN is because it looks just like a hi point lol. It’s ugly and bulky, of course personal opinion. But I’m not spending $1300 on a hi point.
Paul Harrell I just watched Jay's review. Without a demonstration it is lacking credibility. What was his hypothesis? That the pistol might fire if dropped? Really, please explain it to me. Jay, I posted what I extrapolated from your video on Paul’s channel and he responded with this comment/ question. I think Paul is one of the better sources for reviews and it’s good that he responded to my suggestion that folks reference your review before purchasing the Ruger. If you’re inclined I’d like to see your response to his hypothesis question.
I respect your opinion and acknowledge your concern, but at the same time i don’t think anyone will be inside my pistol with dental tools while I’m carrying it. And i don’t plan on using it as a hammer anytime soon so i think I’ll be okay.
I have no problem carrying this without a round in the chamber. I don't see how they can be sued if their manual explicitly states not to have a round in the chamber.
If you cannot carry this pistol with a live round in the chamber it is definitely not a carry gun, therefore it must just be a range toy. To each his own but I do not wait to about to have a car accident before I put my seat belt on, when I'm riding my motorcycle I don't reach for my motorcycle helmet as I'm about to have an accident.... And I never carry a handgun if it is not ready to save my life or the people I am with!
Context matters. It's impossible for one persons to do all forms of testing for every possible scenario since if we could , we could plan against it. Also an issue is the horrid trigger . Since I have tuned Five Sevens for over a decade MANY of those customers have purchased the Ruger and want me to do something with the trigger. I am not comfortable tuning this system as it stand with it's lack of ether a safety that actually locks the hammer back or a passive firing pin block.
Jay Wolf i just sent this video to Ruger.and they are evaluating it and will get back to me. Been told the firing pin is made out of titanium very light and the trigger return spring is heavy so gun wont go off no matter how hard you drop it. They said they also habe the same system in their lcp so not to worry.
@@EliteAmmunition your video mentioned drop safe nothing i heard mentioned the hammer could fall. The gun bottom line passed all government drop test so it must be fine. I am not saying you are wrong and maybe riger is just covering up like sig did and sig has a reputation for hiding things. They have their engineers looking at the video and they will get back to me. I am very concerned
@@trollnips9405 ruger has the video and after calling back one week later they are still looking at it. It is drop safe.they told me from 20ft above with live round. Passed all tests
I own 4 different FN's and yes, one of them is a FiveseveN. A friend asked me if I regret spending twice as much money on my 5.7 after the Ruger was released and the answer is definitely NO. I've owned a lot of firearms, many of them traded or sold for various reasons...I own nice things now because I can. I'm glad that there is a 'value priced option' on the market...ammo prices should come down and make it more affordable to shot. Keep up the great work, Jay!
It seems you have some good points to make, but your presentation is often self defeating. I’d suggest you stop speaking defensively. Haters gonna hate. For instance, just state why you think metal mags might be better for this pistol. If some hater says you just hate plastic, your probably best ignoring him anyways. You could defend yourself at that time if you wanted, but why? You made a good point, and he responded with BS. You won. Hope this helps you.
Moron I manufacturer 5.7 ammo. Better? Sorry this rusty ruger is not ready for primetime. Shittiest trigger pull for a hammer fired pistol in decades. Hi points have a better trigger.
@Rabbi Coomershekel McPornstien . 1) I don't make these video for subs. 2) All firearm and firearm related videos have been Demonetized for years now, please keep up. I make these videos directly for information for my customer base. Not for subs, and not for you,. Anger sorry I have issue with stupid fuckwads. Don't comment if you are so but hurt, click away with your mouse, it's like fucking magic, I don't like what I am seeing CLICK and back to hair braiding vidoes.
@Rabbi Coomershekel McPornstien If you have to ask why I produce this content then this channel is not for your narrow minded concept of what a YT channel is supposed to be. This channel acts as nothing more then a repository of information videos for my customers . End of story.
I have carried a five seven for many years and have a Ruger I have no issues. I always carry one in the pipe so when I need to take the gun off line and crack a round it's ready. You can carry a 57 hot but the manufacturer doesn't recommend it. My advice get a five seven better pistol in my opinion or get a Glock, SIG, Smith and Wesson etc...
Honestly feeling other then disappointment aren't coming into play. It's an OK gun and when the next gen comes out all the issues with this one will be addressed.
@@EliteAmmunition Interesting how you criticize someone for grammar and you don't even know the difference between the words then and than.... Get out of your ego idiot
I just got a Ruger 5.7 and I have to say sights are great IMO. I can slap steel all day at 100 yards. Mag after mag. I do agree about the trigger. It is abysmal but still very accurate and reliable despite how bad trigger is.
I can't confirm or deny. I have not had one in my hands. Not Sure how they wold do it though. I would like to see if they did. A passive firing pin block would be so much easier and cheaper. A bump on the transfer bar could de-activate it lust the the FNH Five Seven and a few hundred other current handguns do.
You do realize that when a round is chambered the hammer is not fully cocked. The final cocking stroke is when the trigger is pulled like a double action pistol or more like one of the striker fired pistols. I doubt the hammer has enough energy to detonate the primer even if it could be released by say a drop.
Wrong, Ruger took basically a DAO system and shortened the pre travel. The hammer is FULLY cocked, you can see it in the video if you watched the hole thing.
@@denster274 Take your slide off and look how far the hammer is cocked back. Then try to make the argument it's not fully cocked. The trigger is at full power when it's cocked and will easily have the power to fire a round. Again the hammer and sear are NOT locked in anyway and there is NO passive firing pin block. Ruger took every cheap shit cost cut they could.
I tried this on my Ruger 57 and the hammer fell to the half cock position everytime. Unless the trigger is pulled it'll fall to half cock. Maybe Ruger improved the design and didn't say anything?? Idk, all I can say is I cannot duplicate what you demonstrated here.
Its all Personal preference !! I have the R57 and its fantastic love it!! Beats the Fn by far! I had the chance to get either and after shooting I went with the R57 also the FN feels cheap being all plastic all FN safety is terrible
Don’t say anything about the safety, it’s all personal preference, that goes for anything I really like the FNs safety if you don’t so be it just don’t say it’s the gun fault
Well just picked up 4 of these yesterday. Was on phone already last night .we got 2 20 rounders an 2 10.well 1 of the 20 rounders is missing dtent an spring it was never put in gun break down pin just falls out of gun.so if I fire gun an it fell out gun would blow apart.they want gun back immediately. One of the 10 rounders American eagle rounds will not chamber looks like inside of barrel is too small for ammo. Haven't looked at other 2 pistols yet.
Please keep me up to date. My test gun's lever pops right out. I haven't had time to see if the detent is missing. Please email me so we can talk about this more.
@@EliteAmmunition yes sir I will.my son 57 that wouldn't cycle ammo it was the ammo American eagle it was a nickles with longer than the fn ammo.i loaded with fn 57 it shot flawlessly. Very impressed. Shipped my 57 off Saturday it arrived in az yesterday I haven't heard anything from them yet
Jay you are too cool, I am saving my penny’s to get a trigger from you. Even Though you say if one can’t hit a target with a FN5.7 pistol they don’t know how to shoot I suck with the pistol
i love my new ruger 57. just because you dont like it does not mean it is a bad gun. mine shoots really good. just because you have short fat fingers dosent make it a bad gun, you dont have a clue about guns.
Ermahgerd, it’s identical to a Series 70 1911, which shitloads of people have carried for a hundred years. Let’s all freak out and declare it unsafe without actual testing. Ok Karen. Aren’t you the same guy that declared the Five-Seven unsatisfactory when FN modified it a decade ago?
No it's not. Try watching the video. Series 70 like all 1911's has a safety that locks and blocks the hammer. Try to keep up with the rest of the kids.
You know what, I have handguns from 22 to 500. And you know witch one drop fired. That's wrong. The answer is none of them. Not even the worse of them. In my opinion and this is my personal opinion. You're making a lot out of nothing. Don't sweat the small stuff.
@@raydelfa1125 So says the key board commando. You're a joke, but we like having fools around like you. Everyone needs a court jester. I honestly don't know how many I have, it would take hours to count them all up. You know more then me about guns. Ok very possible. But then I have decades of experience and multiple patents. Since all you have is a channel with no uploads. I am sure you have no uploads since if you did your overwellming knowledge and collection of guns would crash the internet. That or you're a cheeto eating turd in mommies basement.
@@EliteAmmunition bahaaaaaaaaa! Your smoking the Devil's lettuce bro! Your probably one of those libtards who ran out and brought a gun, thinking the apocalypse is comming! Have fun learnin how to operate your firearm.
@@raydelfa1125 To funny except you fool if you actually looked at my channel you would know I am an 07FFL. Also just an FYI that giant collection of airsoft guns don't count as real guns.
I’ve carried the Ruger 57 for 3 months now. Not concealed I have a FN 509 Compact and a m&p shield 2.0 40cal(yes I carry two pistols concealed.) The 57 I have ran close to 4500 rounds thru it. I’ve had two malfunctions. It was a double feed on the last 2 rounds. I own 150 acres and I openly carry my 57 on my property. It’s been dropped a few times not on any hard surfaces. I have had a single safety issue. I had the FN 57 for 10 years before that and it was a malfunction machine.
Jay Wolf Elite Ammunition the FN has a break in period. FN replaced the pistol 3 separate times within the first year I owned it. FN customer service was great to deal with that’s the biggest reason I got the FN509C. The final replacement I had a 2-3 malfunctions during the break in period but after that it was a good pistol. I haven’t shot it in a while but the last time I did was to try out the ss90 prototype 23 grain clones. My only gripe about the Ruger is the trigger. Take up is semi smooth, has a good wall but way to much creep instead of the crisp break. Hopefully a trigger upgrade hits the market soon.
@@sbrmilitia I disagree the FsN never really needed a break in period. A removal of shipping grease and magazine breaking yes. # pistol in one year? Yeah I want to see documentation. I own the first USG sold in NA (Which now has over 50k through it) and while there have been issues with hammer springs, Third party contracted assembly that casue micro cracks in the front rails, mid USG production, and a magazine catch upgrade 3 guns in one year is beyond extreme. Unfortunately ALL of those guy you dealt with have been fired and CS taken over by Browning support which is epically HORRID. For the first 6 months the Browning Elmer Fudds denied FN MADE the five seven.
Jay Wolf Elite Ammunition it was around 2004 when I got the FN. The break in paperwork came directly from FN on the last pistol they sent. I’m sure I could go find the documentation for all of it somewhere in the back of the safe.
Jay Wolf Elite Ammunition I did not deal with FN directly but a FN dealer. Instead of sending the gun off for repair. They swapped it for a new gun. Had me write up what happened. Under what conditions did it fail, what ammo I used, how many round until the failure and my contact info. Gave me a new gun. That one got sent off with the information I provided. That’s the reason I have a safe full of FN products. I don’t know if they are still as good as they were me to in the mid 2000s but I got treated right. I have zero complaints about that.
Thank you for the great video and making people understand about this pistol and the way it was built, now we can think a little bit more if we want to use it as a defense pistol. A lot of people are going to be disappointed.
You're right I am a fan of guns that aren't shit. Since this video I have created more. on this junk gun. The list of crap breaking on this gun is massive. Even the frames are breaking, the frame rails are self destructing. Also why should I fix a POS gun made by Ruger? Also sorry to break this news to you, but your piss poor straw mam argument that I hate Rugers is childish at best. I own over 10 rugers. How many Rugers do you own? Short list. 1) Take down lever missing detent, also so stiff pops out and across the room 2) Rusting slides 3) Magazine catch roll pin falls out causing mags to fall out 4) Ejector falls out, looks like ruger forgot retaining pin 5) Internally under spec magazines causing rounds to jam in mag body 6) Under spec barrel chambers causing spikes 7) Hammer Spring pivot pin works loss moving forward jamming mag in the gun 8) Cracking of polymer front section in area of recoil rod 9) Front metal frame rail shatters 10) Recoil spring guide rod self destructs. 11) 57Sicario Ruger 57 trigger bar I sent it to them 3x same issue 12) Sights fall off
Very good job jay.... Every review I've seen on the ruger 57 has been the same. You nailed it on the head when it came to understanding the real parts about the weapon. not a single review that I've seen has touched on the problems of the Ruger. now my opinion is that you never ever buy a first-generation gun because they always have problems. Give Ruger 1 year and they will fix that problem of the gun, because someone will drop it and hurt somebody or get killed.
It is a shame the Ruger 57 was not as good as it was touted to be. I seriously considered getting the Ruger along with the FN, but it seems only the Five-SeveN (especially with the possibility of a price drop) is looking to be an even more worthwhile purchase.
Trigger is perfectly fine triggers are like shoes , to each it’s own the gun works flawlessly pin block is an imaginary issue it shoots on point better than the fn I own both fn is overpriced by far ruger outperforms it any day of the week
Forget the haters and shills, I appreciate this video and the work your put into it. I like Ruger but I don't love 'em, and these huge companies voluntarily ignoring end user safety as time goes on is revolting. Looking at you, Sig. They figure it's cheaper to hire more lawyers than it is to put the fucking work into making safe weapons. Did you know when filing their taxes for the German gov't, Sig classifies their "voluntary upgrade" program for the P320s as exactly what it is, a RECALL? Food for thought.
Yup because when you left the lever up it does nothing. Even what little it is supposed to do it doesn't and Ruger has a recall on them. Total hunk of shit.
