Ruger Mark IV: what I WISH I knew earlier… 

I agree...

Given there are people that think appendix carry is dangerous, carrying loaded is dangerous, and having no external thumb safety is dangerous... yeah, some people are afraid of guns and have no business being armed anyway.

It's not only a terrible replacement for proper firearms training I think it makes the guns even more unsafe. When I shoot competitions they always check the trigger pull first. How do they do that? Check if the gun is clear, point the gun in a safe direction, and pull with the scale. With the magazine disconnect that obviously doesn't work. They have to put a magazine in and that is exactly where a round might sneak itself into the chamber. However, since they point the gun in a safe direction nobody will get shot but hearing damage is a thing too.

The purpose of the magazine disconnect is to prevent the kind of accident that owner training doesn't fix, namely, when the incompetent, such as soldiers, cops, and kids get their hands on deadly weapons.

Which states that they will not repair, under any circumstance, an altered firearm.

Is it hard to break down ?

I have an old Mark II and it’s one of the most accurate pistols I own.

@@gpbuck89011 Terrible. You'll use every curse word you know... better to take the scales/grips off it and dunk it or completely slather it in cleaning solvent, then blow it out with compressed air. Clean the barrel from the muzzle with a guide, or use a carbon/ synthetic cleaning rod. (Mine's a Mk 1 Bull-barrel from the early 70's. Mag release is a clip on the rear bottom of the grip, like older Walther PP's. )

@@gpbuck89011 doing it the 1st or 2nd time can be pretty difficult, but once you get the methodology down it gets pretty easy like anything else.

To be fair, if you primarily shoot poly framed pistols a near 60oz firearm is a lot to some people. Also, it's a .22lr, you're going to want to blow through a couple hundred rounds at the range. Most people don't hold a 3.75 weight out at arms length for an hour at a time.

Yep, I got the MkII Bull Barrel in 1988 when I was stationed in Virginia. Got plenty of limits of squirrels with it!

Not from me , I always thought it was a stupid idea .

You are not wrong

Totally right. When I'm cleaning especially, it becomes both a safety issue and a pain in the ass.

You are not wrong at all. In my opinion, the only problem with the Browning Hi Power is the magazine disconnect. Otherwise, it is essentially the blueprint that all modern 9mm pistols have followed.

Got rid of mine

I have and like both. There are two features on the MK IV that make it a nice upgrade. The 1911 style mag release and the take down button. Also many MK IV's have factory suppressor threads which is nice.

until you have to clean it

It is not a big deal to clean after the first time or two.

I agree. I had the MKII with a bull barrel target version and a 2X scope. The thing would punch the thumb tacks out and drop the paper target to the ground at 25 yards.

@@m.cigledy6769 I had the MKII Target with 10" Bull barrel. like you said it was extremely accurate. Now I have the MK4 and very happy with it as well.

I use subsonic rounds with a silencer and the neighborhood never knows

Exactly

My first time tearing my apart I was wondering if it was a joke how complicated they made it

The earlier ones were not easy or instinctive to re-assemble, but you get used to it. They were well worth it.

@@user-fu9vj9ix3g you do but I glad I was able to use RU-vid for a quick solution. I am spoiled as most of my pistols are glo@k which tear down in a second

@@montanausa329 RU-vid didn't exists when I had mine. Being naturally challenged, I did struggle with it at first. Today, I have a S&W .22 Compact. Like the Glock and all the other new plastic guns, it's easy -peasy. EDIT: But, they are also near worthless for re-sale.

@@user-fu9vj9ix3g had mine 30 years, never a misfire, couple thousand rounds every year. Never took it apart, LOL.

Sorry for your loss, but at least he finally got caught. I had a bull cop who used to harass me for riding a motorcycle in the 60's; he went to prison for stealing a bicycle, of all the low class things.

The problem with the Ruger "mark" pistols is that for some reason, it is the barrel/upper assembly that is serial numbered and controlled, making obtaining additional barrels a PITA in some states.

They are good, but your doing yourself a disservice to not try some of the offerings of Tandemkross. I have both.

How about a baby Luger

Laruger

Back a few years ago, during the Great Ammo Shortage, my wife couldn’t find enough .38 spl to take her favorite revolver to her handgun carry permit class. They required that you bring 100 rounds to the course. Instead, she took my Mark IV Hunter, and shot one ragged hole about three inches in diameter, center mass, in the silhouette target, with just a couple of flyers. The instructor looked at her target, looked at the Mark IV, laughed and said, “That’s cheatin’!” Permit approved.

Beautiful, Sexy, Old Reliable or Perfection !

I’ll call it a Rambu since it looks more like a Nambu not a Luger.

Only some FUDD would care about that. Free people don't.

rimfire vs. rimless cartridge

@@kennethhill8330 Hate them and still not left them. A company serious about the rimfires would have built a magazine capable of holding 30 rounds by now. Staggered, stacked, whatever. They didn't take us plinkers seriously, and why should they. As the redheaded stepchild, we are only trouble. They are in the market for the killers, not the precision hole creators :-) How difficult could it be to feed staggered 22lr rounds? I guess, difficult. "Not enough money in it" is an OK excuse for a US company. Europeans would have found a way, if they tried, and they didn't.

Betr layt then nevr.

Well, I had four Brownings. They all went back to the factory because they constantly malfunctioned. Browning was great. They took each one back and worked on it three times and three times I sent it back and on the fourth time they gave me a new gun so that 16 times, my brownie went back to the factory. I had enough and bought the Ruger mark four. After 20,000 rounds I had to replace the firing pin which I received from Ruger with instructions on how to install it. No cost. I never dry fire so the gun just broke. Right now I have about 30,000 rounds out of my mark four. It is still a very tight action if I use Oil that is too heavy it will it will not fit together correctly. I have to use the thinest gun oil possible then it works like a charm. It is that tight that’s after 30,000 rounds. How accurate is it? I can consistently put six rounds in a group that you could cover with a dime at 25 yards. That is pretty good. I personally don’t believe that a 22 long rifle is adequate enough for self-defense. The extra weight of this pistol makes it a heck of a lot easier to shoot and the trigger is about a 2 pound trigger pull. I could never ask for a better 22 long rifle. Not to mention how easy it is to take down and clean. I don’t believe I will ever wear it out. All the complaints that you make are very similar to someone who only does bitching about anything and everything and it’s just a plain bellyacher. Browning 22 was reported to be a very good gun, but after going back to the factory 16 times or more I think I’ve run out of patience with that gun for different ones for different brand new ones.