"Ruined By Lazy Policies" - Harvard Professor Roland Fryer Explains The Downfall of DEI

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Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, and Vincent Oshana are joined by economic and Harvard University professor Roland Fryer as they discuss how lazy policies have ruined DEI.
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@kplay8589 2 месяца назад

Wonderful example of 2 people agreeing and disagreeing respectfully. No shouting, no name calling, no funny business. Felt soooo good to just listen without holding my breath about who's going to start shouting or being offended next. Seriously people, just have normal conversations (disagreements) and have patience to listen to one another out.

@coastcity7029 2 месяца назад

DEI is not focused on talent, it's focused on fulfilling a racial quota. I learned this the hard way. 15 years ago, when I got into a Ph.D. program in Cali, the small cohort of 8-10 students only had 1 spot for a white man. The other spots had to be filled by-- a white woman, a black woman, a Hispanic guy, a lesbian woman, a disabled woman, and so on. Those are not examples, that's how it was. DEI disadvantages everyone when your eligibility is determined by race/gender/etc. You also end up competing against and taking the spot of the other minorities in your "category." There's fewer opportunities available to you because positions are filled by the diversity quota.

@friarnewborg9213 2 месяца назад

That's CRAZY. that sort of Hiring Process needs to end

@user23867 2 месяца назад

He's applying the labor theory of value to education. Dishing out grades based on effort instead of ability. Nobody wants the surgeon who struggled the most, they want whoever is better at surgery.

@jeffreyrichard2575 2 месяца назад

Effort doesn't matter in the real world...results do Would you feel better if your child was left paralyzed because the doctor "gave his best effort" instead of just being competent. Some people have to work harder to get the same results.... but getting the same results are what counts.

@Curious_Hemant 2 месяца назад

I think effort does matter. I agree with your conclusion but not analysis. Johnny and bobby example is perfect here. They are not that far apart or should I say very close. What if Johnny is sitting comfortable with home tutors all over him vs Bobby got that close with a part time job to help his family. Would you still not appreciate efforts? Off course if Johnny is at GPA 4.5 vs Bobby at 3.2, there is no comparison.

@julianfrost4827 2 месяца назад

No, you're ASSUMING that is what he meant.

@jeffreyrichard2575 2 месяца назад

@@julianfrost4827 NO its pretty obvious what he meant.

@jeffreyrichard2575 2 месяца назад

@@Curious_Hemant Actually. no . I still take Johnny first because he is the best candidate and deserves to win. You don't give the Superbowl ring to the team that tries the hardest. You don't try to second guess results and you don't try to play god.

@jackal7610 2 месяца назад

So the black professor in a tortured way is arguing for socioeconomic factors not race. He also argues for merit. DEI is morally opposed to merit.

@hmmm2357 2 месяца назад

How so

@chiefwahoo4547 2 месяца назад

The guy is not being honest. He thinks you are too stupid to see he is a DEI supporter and sad they cannot brainwash the masses to support it.

@theecharmingbilly 2 месяца назад

DEI is all about quotas snd getting enough of this'n and that'n and making sure you leave ol jimbo at the lake.

@Xeranx 2 месяца назад

@hmmm2357 Despite how they align the words, Diversity + equity ≠ inclusion. What they're after is equity or equality of outcome. So putting things in order without the veneer of "this is good overall" it's skin color (with heavy application of black followed by non-white) + forced integration of ideas or ideology = equal outcomes for all because everyone thinks the same despite their skin color variation. It's not a good thing. It engineers the common denominator and that common denominator is wherever all meet the lowest point relatively easily and then they somehow/some way Harrison Bergeron it up hoping for outstanding results. I hope that makes sense.

@condomgraveyard666 2 месяца назад

Well if the applicant is black with slightly higher margins of score, they would never even consider the white candidates “work ethic” or “obstacles” it took to get there.

@orianna9 2 месяца назад

So great to see PBD and the prof connect over sports and particularly to focus on where they agree while still articulating how they differ. THIS IS EVERYTHING. 🙏💥🎯

@beetlejuice4693 2 месяца назад

DEI is racist

@LickVIP 2 месяца назад

4:55 4:55 4:55 4:55 WELCOME TO RACISM 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

@willtuft413 2 месяца назад

I think the fact that the world had to give birth to it is sad. The denial that there was never a strange dynamic to create a dei situation is delusional!

@justmyopinion9883 2 месяца назад

DEI is another word for the N word.

@tonderaitchikodzore8052 2 месяца назад

I have noticed DEI is supported by black people because it helps them considering the many disadvantages they face. And white Republicans hate it because they feel it unfairly helps black people. Black people care about lifting up their communities finding different solutions and DEI is one solution. Republicans care about complaining about black crime and talking down on black people especially on fox without giving any solutions. If Republicans cared about fairness they would start with Legacies which helps majority of white people but having black people having upward mobility infuriates them. Now l get why black people support Democrats

@ashlibabbittcroakedit9108 2 месяца назад

How is it racism when white women benefit from it

@GenialGeek 2 месяца назад

I disagree. DEI should have no place in admissions.

@1czechit1 2 месяца назад

Kentanji, Karine, and Kamala is proof of that. LOL KKK.

@grod805 2 месяца назад

Isn't the best part of America that poor people can get educated and climb up the social ladder?

@1czechit1 2 месяца назад

@@grod805 and not blame someone else??? bu-but... you can't do that!

@tankerd1847 2 месяца назад

Personally, I don't have anything against giving the kid who came up from nothing a chance if he is otherwise equal to the kid who came from money and you only have one spot. I don't think it should have anything to do with color or creed though, ever. Come up with all the metrics you want to judge one candidate or one prospective student against the other, but keep biology, religion, sexual preference and political opinion clear out of it. If you take two candidates with equal scores on objective metrics, you shouldn't pick one over the other for being black, or gay, or Muslim. Certain things should not be used to discriminate, whether it's in your favor or against it.

@Dukeblue1 2 месяца назад

Also legacies should have no place in admissions.

@ivanvercej2069 2 месяца назад

Being in distress from not having enough or being born in the wrong setting, doesn’t grant a free pass to the right amount of resources. It’s like being stranded in the dessert and expecting water to appear…what are you going to do if it doesn’t!

@L9r5c 2 месяца назад

I think you have taken his point wrong. In business terms, if you have two companies in the same industry. One is doing 15mil in revenue from a 1mil seed round investment and another thats doing 8mil off a 50k seed round. Which company has the most potential?

@realitycheck6333 2 месяца назад

@@L9r5c To be honest, if the current DEI practices appeared to even be giving a fraction of the amount of thought to them that you're giving right now, I wouldn't have nearly as big of a problem with them, even if I still was in disagreement. Where it currently sits is "Company, industry, more black people, you're racist".

@L9r5c 2 месяца назад

@@realitycheck6333 agreed, Im black and I’m against what DEI is today. Basically, diversity for the sake of diversity…make matters worse they have morphed it to “you must participate in my abnormal, none work related lifestyle”

@adamjames642 2 месяца назад

@@realitycheck6333 And along with most of us in the comments, Roland disagrees with current DEI practices. The point is to be able to identify higher potential in performance measurements. If two people ran a race and the times were 9.9 vs 9.89, but the 9.89 had a weighted vest on, If you were picking a team of competitors, you'd want the 9.89 runner because they have a higher potential to run faster than 9.9. We aren't saying that the 9.9 loses the current race. What we're saying is, down the line, the 9.89 runner is better Again, this is all under the assumption that the difference in current performance is mimiscule.

@LimpMind Месяц назад

@@adamjames642 The solution to this is not to ignore the better runner because the other has more potential, the first one is faster and deserves to win. We need to focus on removing the vest from the other runner first and to see if there is an improvement. This hypothetical vest is not guaranteed to limit their best in reality which is why the best should be focused at least till the other can show a better upper limit with any reasonable possible limitations removed.

@fulltimefather-parttimehero 2 месяца назад

I see what he’s saying. It feels like he says in some cases someone has huge obstacles they overcome to succeed and if they are slightly lower than someone with less obstacles, then maybe they have a higher chance for success. But he didn’t say skin color was the factor, which I appreciate. He mentioned economical status, etc… the issue is that colleges take the lazy approach.

@annmhmoore0771 Месяц назад

Many people in society have many obstacles to overcome in the real world. More people have obstacles to overcome than not.

@vladchiriac2101 Месяц назад

He did actually say that race should be taken into account.

@fulltimefather-parttimehero Месяц назад

@@annmhmoore0771 - obviously most people have some, but we are talking about more wide spread life issues for children. If you go to a well funded school, you're more likely to have good teachers and a better opportunity to have a more well rounded learning experience.

@albow4oops5 2 месяца назад

Words mean specific things. DEI and affirmative action mean certain things, meritocracy means something specific. You can't have both.

@moneymaker7307 2 месяца назад

Merit also mean certain thing. It is practically impossible to find the best 100 of anything, not to mention finding the best 2,000 students yearly. Harvard admits 2000 students yearly. Schools like Harvard have enough, and this country as a whole has enough to include as many people as possible seeking high-quality education up to the standards of Harvard. I worked in the scouting department of an NFL team with millions of dollars in yearly budget. It was still almost impossible to find the best players consistently, even with access to large amounts of data on each player.

@albow4oops5 2 месяца назад

@moneymaker7307 that's why there are tests. I'm sure, however, that you just let anyone on your roster if they said they were really good, right?

@calikeisha365 2 месяца назад

Why can’t you have both? Affirmative action does not mean every veteran will get a government job. It means the qualified veterans get extra points in the application process. DEI does not mean that every disabled person will get the job it means they’re going to get an opportunity to apply and not be excluded from the process.

@moneymaker7307 2 месяца назад

Cooperation and the people who own this country have pulled the wool over most people's eyes, so that many cannot see what is going on. Conservative racists believe that if everything were fair and equal, they would be the ones attending these highfalutin institutions because, by default, they consider themselves more intelligent and more deserving than a so-called "DEI candidate." Many liberals who work in these institutions believe that the so-called cooperation they work for supports diversity and inclusion, because of how it pays lip service to the topic and how quickly it fires someone. The same thing applies to immigration. Tell people that illegal immigrants are a threat to their way of life, but the truth is that legal migration has a much greater impact on people than illegal immigrants ever could.

@adamjames642 2 месяца назад

While you are correct, he is saying to add points into the meritocracy bucket for difficulty of challenge. If you and I played a video game, you beat it on lvl 1 while I beat it on lvl 10, while we both completed the game, I get extra points for beating a harder level. The same goes for education. If you have a 3.9 while having access to private tutoring and I have a 3.8 without any additional assistance, talent scouts should be able to recognize that I'm playing on a harder level. Just to be clear, RACE is not a harder level. It is just an observable fact of your identity. Being poor, however, is definitely going through life on hard mode. This is something children have no control over.

@1w598 2 месяца назад

No, skin color should NOT matter in admission to anything, for a multitude of reasons across the board. People who think it's a good idea are being shortsighted & not considering the repercussions of implementing such biased & unjust policies.

@ra-neter6662 2 месяца назад

What are the repercussions for making it easier for a QUALIFIED poor hispanic kid tryna get into harvard ?

@Geewasright 2 месяца назад

@@ra-neter6662 - You hurt the feelings of wealthy wy.ts and they feel like the world is unfair and vote for Trump hoping he’ll target your community and be their retribution.

@LimpMind Месяц назад

@@ra-neter6662 You're making it about race instead of class. If someone who is lower class shows the ability, talent, and effort, universities and colleges have grants and other programs to help these people. The race of individuals have no merit in the conversation as it has non influence over the ability to gain a skill.

@ra-neter6662 Месяц назад

@LimpMind i didnt make it about race. U clearly misread where i wrote poor.

@Kevin-ts7hf 2 месяца назад

His argument crumbles pretty fast when challenged. It’s “all about talent” until perceived privilege enters the equation.

@robburgett7956 2 месяца назад

💯

@dynamicwellness33 2 месяца назад

Based!

@adamjames642 2 месяца назад

You actually missed it. It is about talent. I'll present what he said in a different way. Lets assume steroids were openly legal and accessible. If there were 2 athletes, 1 on the juice and 1 natural, and the natural athlete was less that 5% behind in performance. Then the ceiling is much higher than the one on the juice. The talent is is present but not being utilized yet. Back to the example of GPA. If the economically advantaged student has a gpa of 4.4 and the poor kid has 4.2. If you dig enough and find that the adv. student has a tutor, has a stable home, gets 8hrs of sleep each night and 3 meals a day, while the poor kid only gets to eat once at home, lot of comotion in the house so they don't get a full night worth of sleep and bounces place to place, then by simple logic, the poor kid has a higher potential for improvement. Again, I'm only saying this for very small differences in performance. Of course, if a kid has a 4.9 and the poor kid has a 3.0, the 3.0 shouldn't get any consideration.

@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069 Месяц назад

Look up Roland Fryer please. He is not actually for DEI at all.

@nc2669 28 дней назад

"So is race a factor?" "Nn Nooooooo...."

@chumaokafo755 2 месяца назад

These are the best kinds of conversations. No matter what side you fall on it's great to have your position challenged once in a while. Thanks PBD for putting this thoughtful and compassionate human being on the podcast. More of this please.

@Letssavethecountry 2 месяца назад

Fools gold- DEI will never lead to a better outcome for humanity

@jeffreyrichard2575 2 месяца назад

Agreed It won't lead to less racial resentment. It will only lead to more. That is what DEI was designed to really accomplish

@Geewasright 2 месяца назад

Wouldn’t exist if YT people didn’t cheat the system for 400 years.

@realitycheck6333 2 месяца назад

DEI really isn't the problem, it's the people behind it. Any policy being pushed by such disingenuous activists with so much internalized hate is going to have terrible results.

@calikeisha365 2 месяца назад

@@jeffreyrichard2575DEI is not only about RACE. What about disabled people who’ve been excluded from application process? What about the number one beneficiaries of affirmative action, white women? I’m all for meritocracy but there is no such thing as fairness in a system run by people who have biases.

@shawnford9104 2 месяца назад

@@calikeisha365aw so sad. If you don’t like our country go to a 3rd world country and were most people have no voice at all.

@briandstephmoore4910 2 месяца назад

In a perfect world what this man is saying is absolutely logical. But the world isn’t perfect and the simplest best way to cut through all the noise is strictly merit based.

@generalwrecking 2 месяца назад

AGREED !! And If BLACK and BROWN people KNOW THAT from GRADE 1 they will WORK harder Because they WONT be able to rely on SKIN COLOR !!

@angeljimenez5991 2 месяца назад

For the most part but “merit-based metrics” like standardized tests aren’t perfect either. But I can see your point in that what he is saying is unfortunately not something that is attainable because of politics in academia and a misunderstanding of what things like diversity and inclusion should entail. I feel like what a lot of people in the comments don’t get is that it’s equally as bad to say that race never matters just as much as saying that it has to always matter.

@tonderaitchikodzore8052 2 месяца назад

Start by dealing with legacies first, but you wont as it helps the desired race gtfoh

@briandstephmoore4910 2 месяца назад

@@tonderaitchikodzore8052 what did I do to offend you? I’m of the poor class just like you what power do you think I or we hold over some legacy? I or we are not your enemy here.

@tonderaitchikodzore8052 2 месяца назад

@@briandstephmoore4910 l apologize brother, not my intention to offend you. Its just that anything that seems to advance black people in general is usually shut down by Republicans, yet they are the one who profit over talking talking down on them eg. Fox news. without any solutions to uplift black communities

@aaronandelise 2 месяца назад

He pushes skin color, period. He dances around it slightly, but obviously pushes it.

@sellingsunshine 2 месяца назад

I found this conversation very interesting. No matter how simple I want this subject to be, in actuality there is a lot more nuance. Great podcast.

@XMoeiskingX 2 месяца назад

Victim answer. He's proposing an utopian solution that will never exist without building levers that allow for extreme corruption and misuse..

@DustMan2704 2 месяца назад

"All Negroes are equal, but some negroes are more equal than others."

@kyleshockley1573 2 месяца назад

Pretty much. It pretends to be a bean-counting method to optimize and quantify the quality of someone's character and potential at a distance. Meeting and interacting with someone in real life, looking at the actual work of their hands or mind, seeing how they are on the regular and how they develop - these all seem like methods from another time. And apparently another victim of our over-dependence on tech (which is another utopian solution with heavily weighted levers). Yeah sorry, I don't think academic bureaucracies and Skynet making pyramid hierarchies are going to find or nurture the next da Vinci or Solzhenitsyn.

@brasshouse9822 2 месяца назад

⁠⁠⁠@@kyleshockley1573 there is legitimate evidence that America’s diversity does have a lot to do with our success. We have no shared culture amongst ourselves other than our hustle culture. There are large benefits to getting a more diverse people into your business. Everything this man was saying, makes perfect sense to me. There’s a difference between force-feeding diversity and thoughtful and effective merit based diversity. I see it all the time man. I take guys off the scrap pile and build their career up and help them get real money and it’s crazy how fast people grow.

@XMoeiskingX 2 месяца назад

@@brasshouse9822 false. This is being conflated back when america had hegemony of ideals. Today half the nation thinks it’s ok to be communist. It’s not for the record. You’re falsely correlating diversity with aligned ideals..

@dormantmenace 2 месяца назад

It's human nature. That's why our common laws, common morals... are designed to make you humain. Not human. Just like religion or socialism. Looks good on paper. it sounds decent. But we just don't work like that.

@bobmyself8819 2 месяца назад

I'm glad this is getting traction of the younger more hip professor. But seriously, Thomas sowell practice discussion years ago

@randy74989 2 месяца назад

An Alternative framework called Merit, Fairness, and Equality (MFE) whereby university applicants are treated as individuals and evaluated through a rigorous and unbiased process based on their merit and qualifications alone.” What MFE would mean is that students would be admitted only because of their academic and personal achievements, not because of their ancestry or family connections. It would also mean that school personnel would be similarly chosen on merit, with no favoritism for applicants because of their race or other immutable characteristics, and no favoritism for those who espouse certain political beliefs.

@malelefonoimoana2925 Месяц назад

Awesome and important convo. Thanks guys.

@user-en3sp4gy4r 2 месяца назад

As a Latino, I dont want special treatment or special sympathy. Its about earning merit, not communism

@historypolitics108 2 месяца назад

DEI is how you build the losing team. MERIT is how you build the winning team. It's that simple.

@BillzWhite 2 месяца назад

Some people don’t even get the opportunity to have merit

@suecolmerhor 2 месяца назад

@@BillzWhite opportunity doesn't just happen it's created

@BillzWhite 2 месяца назад

@@suecolmerhor yea for some more than others

@hanklesacks 2 месяца назад

@@BillzWhiteWho are these ppl?

@historypolitics108 2 месяца назад

@@BillzWhite DEI makes it look like we are competing with each other in the US with the DEI vs non-DEI candidates for any position. But in actuality we are not competing with each other, not in the long run. The competition is actually between citizens of the United States and the vast majority of other people in the world who desperately want to "eat our lunch." While DEI failures only accelerate US decline, other nations are demanding MERIT and excellence from their people. Just look at so many of our national brands being bought up by companies from other nations. We should be expanding & investing around the world, but instead we are barely hanging on. We need to be focusing on productivity, achievement, excellence, merit, etc.

@rolotomassi9806 2 месяца назад

College athletics and professional sports teams seem to find talent by letting the best compete without trying to find a quota candidate. If you want the best then you shouldn’t shift the expectations to meet the requirements.

@azaleagirl6275 2 месяца назад

Exactly!!! Sports is amazing because they are competing in front of our eyes, and you either got it, or you don’t. Strange how they want to lower standards but expect better outcomes.

@Geewasright 2 месяца назад

@@azaleagirl6275- Lower standard?

@markarmage3776 Месяц назад

That's absolutely false, because professional sports teams are setting scouts all over the world to seek for potentials. The reigning MVP of the NBA, Joel Embiid was scouted in Africa, and he was not as good as other candidates at that time. But he has gigantic potential. As if you're intentionally not understanding this, buddy. DEI is not about lowering merits, it's about looking at better qualities that will eventually bring back higher returns.

@rolotomassi9806 Месяц назад

@@markarmage3776 Keep believing that Buddy! You got picked last a lot didn’t you?

@wagnersouza4463 Месяц назад

DEI is about lowering metrics. To me the real problem with DEI is that are pushing in upper positions. What Roland try to say, sound like a open trainee style. For example: we wanted give jobs for some black actors, so we could go to some black community and there find some talents, but the skin color here stop in "we need some black actor", after that is just talent hunter. The current DEI don't do that even around the world, usually DEI sector just need some quota and goes to some diversity agency and pay some of that are offered. And another problem with DEI is the mixed race factor. In my country that is largely mixed, the government and college bring back skull measures ( I'm not kidding there're actually racial tribunals ) to defines who is really black, brown and white.

@82gioccia 2 месяца назад

You don’t need a name to apply to university. It should be a social number. No gender, no race, no nationality, no district. You look at the exam results, a list of accomplishments and choose.

@thelovelymrsbarber 2 месяца назад

assuming everyone is receiving the same quality of education from K to 12 then I would agree

@hanklesacks 2 месяца назад

@@thelovelymrsbarberNobody is ever going to receive the same quality of education

@thelovelymrsbarber 2 месяца назад

@@hanklesacks exactly and this is why various programs are put in place for certain people who start at a disadvantage

@Geewasright 2 месяца назад

When Alabama and LSU’s freshman classes are all As1an kids and a couple football payers, those “southerners” are going to make sure nationally is on the application.

@hanklesacks 2 месяца назад

@@thelovelymrsbarber Which is only going to disadvantage others. There's no absolutes, only trade offs.

@talulah67 2 месяца назад

The more I watch and listen to Roland the better it gets. Love it!

@scarletstewart3591 2 месяца назад

Roland Fryer is such a brilliant man who focuses on prioritzing the elevation of individuals who face socioeconomic challenges within our communuties. 🙏🏾❤️🙏🏼

@TheReneepruitt 2 месяца назад

It isn’t skin! Poor people in General regardless of color! Because poor who’re kids and poor black kids are the same in needing help. Geez

@angelag5222 2 месяца назад

Great interview!

@mump71 2 месяца назад

I grew up in a low income rural area, it’s not about race it’s about income.

@oldchicken2 Месяц назад

This is a good conversation.

@stimsingh9361 2 месяца назад

excellent interview... informative.

@TigerHogan 2 месяца назад

Holy shit. Race should never be a factor.

@markparham 2 месяца назад

in america race is always a factor

@jonmaderia1342 Месяц назад

Roland is brilliant thank you for having him on!!

@johnlittle4508 2 месяца назад

As a marine when you’re standing on the yellow line, you’re all the same regardless of your race, it’s about motivation and performance.

@alex5308 2 месяца назад

I really like Roland, very well spoken and also very open minded

@renzokuken2g 2 месяца назад

This man gets it! This professor has what a serious amount of honor, and dignity. Trying to maintain the balance is not easy.

@Suh-spence 2 месяца назад

I like his thinking. It’s out of the ordinary

@sonjadeneale3474 2 месяца назад

According to this professor, Junior and Buford that had the misfortune of being born and raised in Appalachia should be covered by DEI and affirmative action since it shouldn't be race centered.

@es83stevenson88 2 месяца назад

And this is why i will never trust a dei hire

@Sck519 2 месяца назад

How do you know someone is a DEI hire?

@es83stevenson88 2 месяца назад

@@Sck519 they will hide behind identity politics to disguise poor work

@frederickgivens1569 2 месяца назад

@@Sck519Non white mean automatic dei hire

@ashlibabbittcroakedit9108 2 месяца назад

@frederickgivens1569 Proving yourself a ignorant racist

@dbeasleyphx 2 месяца назад

"We need to focus on all the other stuff." AMEN!

@mattpetersen4620 2 месяца назад

Love this guy.

@brandonarch2906 2 месяца назад

Correlation is not causation.

@jumpi90 2 месяца назад

I kinda like em. Made sounds points. Enjoyed the interview

@dsaenz5008 2 месяца назад

I didnt. He is the DEI hire at Harvard, so I can't take what he says seriously.

@XMoeiskingX 2 месяца назад

5:09 this dude completely ignores that most school districts that these "affirmative action" picks come from already have watered down curriculum that allow for them to be raised up already. a 4.0 at an inner city school in 12th grade is like what we learned in 8th..

@Adrian-lx9uk 2 месяца назад

& you have access to many more tools than the inner city kid. Growing up in the inner city (now making 6 figures comfortably) I can tell you that it’s appalling how terrible the education system is in public schools. Teachers hardly qualified to teach honors & AP level classes. Less than 10% of students end up actually succeeding & getting in a 4 year in most of these inner city schools.

@XMoeiskingX 2 месяца назад

@@Adrian-lx9uk cultural issue. And it shouldn’t be subsidized. You clearly were able to succeed eventually. Inner city schools were drastically better funded per student and it’s a bad investment.

@jeffreyrichard2575 2 месяца назад

that is why they use standardized testing .....Because you cannot trust the schools to produce the same level of education in all situations. School districts artificially inflate their graduation rates and have grade inflation to "produce " the results parents and politicians want.

@friarnewborg9213 2 месяца назад

THAT is why they have SAT scores. My cross-the-hall neighbor is Wigglesworth, Harvard Yard was a very bright "Double 800". But he was also a Doofus. It isn't the only thing that matters

@jeffreyrichard2575 2 месяца назад

@@friarnewborg9213 the SAT predicts academic success . Academics is what Harvard provides so your Doofus should go there not someone with a lower score and a more pleasing personality.

@AMildCaseOfCovid 2 месяца назад

Interesting how the desire for DEI disappeared when basketball was the example :D

@jeffreyrichard2575 2 месяца назад

its about racial promotion and nothing else. Getting what other groups have or earned.

@bryankburrows 2 месяца назад

I agree with PBD, 💯,all day long !!!

@AB-fw8qw 2 месяца назад

“Because if the obstacles he had to overcome, if we take those into account, he would have a perfect 1600” So an unfalsifiable situation and impossible to quantify factor of “what if he was white” as it relates to SAT?

@martyfenton6184 2 месяца назад

I appreciate your contributions to Freakonomics, Professor. I'm an economic freak.

@johnsteinman5496 2 месяца назад

ENGINEERS HAVE GOT TO KNOW MATH ……PERIOD

@michaelmosley384 2 месяца назад

Dude is amazing.

@Leifler 2 месяца назад

What happened to the VT Rumble channel? It disappeared and all links in a search engine go 404 not found?

@user-gb8cq2el4r 2 месяца назад

The mental gymnastics these intelligent people go through to try to justify this is truly mind boggling. Why is it SO hard for people to say race should have nothing to do with hiring, and our culture should embrace merit over all else?

@armonjohnson 2 месяца назад

It’s a nuanced argument that clearly is beyond your understanding

@Tential1 Месяц назад

Because, they can't let go of their tribal beliefs. Dei hurts everyone. It hurt me as a minority. Because I knew colleges needed diversity, I didn't even try. I didn't complete applications, I just took my sat score, plopped it down, and said, "I know the data, my score is top 1% of my minority, so I'm accepted".

@Msmamba248 2 месяца назад

You really had them stomped 😂

@jamespadilla5703 2 месяца назад

With the sports analogy that he could use as well as a good gauging to use is the players markability because we all know that product endorsements and the sales that come from it bring in a lot of extra money for the NBA

@L9r5c 2 месяца назад

I get what he is saying because I can relate. When you grow up with parents who don’t have diplomas, don’t have money and don’t even understand how to get you into college. However, despite all that they have managed to get a 3.5 GPA. I will take that guy over the 4.0 who grew up in suburbia, went to private school and had private tutors his whole life.

@desmundlighten3603 2 месяца назад

Is this so hard to comprehend!?!

@julianfrost4827 2 месяца назад

All day long, every day, every year.

@RobertHunterAero 2 месяца назад

My parents didn’t have diplomas and still made the sacrifices to pay for private school. Many white kids are dirt poor and assumed to be privileged by DEI standards

@rockyself 2 месяца назад

That's cherry picking.

@boomguitarjared 2 месяца назад

It's something to be considered atleast, I think that's reasonable. However, being able to identify that someone has triumphed over adversity doesn't necessarily make them the best candidate for a job, or necessarily better than someone who hasn't gone through as much perceived adversity. Again, a probably good thing to look at on a case by case basis, but not to just generalize that everyone who came from 'less' is automatically better than those who came from 'more', as it depends on what values and experiences are being looked for.

@juniormolefe3046 2 месяца назад

Talent optimization 😊

@jallen1227 2 месяца назад

Merit, merit and more merit .... Love Roland.

@pink7930 2 месяца назад

"...not just the people who work hardest..." wow, just wow

@anthonybates8568 2 месяца назад

Mann Talk HEAVY💪🏿Roland

@danebenjaminson4443 2 месяца назад

From a simple man. I was in the Marine Corps and I served with people from other countries such as Jamaica and China. None of us cared about color or where we grew up. We only cared about you have the same uniform and we look out for each other. I agree with give the most qualified person the job vise the most senior with the caveat of do they want that job or would they rather do something else. I know many people that have computer skills but they have zero interest doing that work, so they pretend to know nothing because if you speak up once that will be your job. I’ve found as a leader to put people where they are good at the task and they like doing that job and you will have good quality work and a happy employee. 😊

@zackofpluto2884 2 месяца назад

Very eloquent man ..very well-stated.

@lavidamia9 Месяц назад

I wish we all had the same opportunity, and I would hate to be admitted solely on his metrics. HOW WAS HE ADMITTED TO HARVARD ?

@orangemanbad 2 месяца назад

This guy makes a lot of sense.

@rsjdesouza 2 месяца назад

I agree with Roland that the institutions take the lazy route by taking only (or mostly) race into consideration and he differs a bit from most of the DEI advocates and activists. However, what is frustrating is that the activists flatten the socioeconomic status entirely by race, and not by their actual background and "hidden score card points", which vary wildly from either Orange County or from South Chicago, Appalachia, etc. By doing this they lose a lot of support and fail to gain grounds to the most disadvantaged.

@vanessac1721 2 месяца назад

I hate that he likes the fact that 50% of first year students in Chicago University fail out. Thats horrendous. Who is going to pay back the study loans to the students who failed? Do you know how demotivating it can be to tell someone who isnt ready that they can do something, they try and fail? They wont want to try again because they were lied to. Its inhuman.

@elmarty4803 2 месяца назад

Its crazy, I am with PBD on the idea of DEI and how to define the best for the postion, and I am also with RF on the idea that some of the standard ways of defining a candidate are not exactly the best predictor. It is the balance in between......the problem as RF says.....the system is not exactly optimized for truth and reality......that is where both sides are aggravated.

@SleepyNeo 2 месяца назад

No DEI, no Affirmative Action

@mrowl609 2 месяца назад

Honestly, he's made the best argument for DEI I've ever heard. Life obstacles can restrict one's abilities, and triumphant stories are appealing. Sadly, we all can see that the intent and the application are worlds apart.

@jasonmcguirl3402 2 месяца назад

Preach 🙏 For example the movie "the green book"

@Matis_747 2 месяца назад

What are the obstacles they had to overcome? That’s not quantifiable, who’s gonna be in charge of judging that

@johnnygeorgopoulos4072 2 месяца назад

Pat literally laid himself up for the perfect point to counter his affirmative action rebuttal, he was laying it up perfectly, but when the guest (sorry forgot his name, memory issues) said no, Pat, instead went off into an unrelatable sports analogy like usual lol .... all he needed to say was "what makes you think a black kid from the city somehow had a harder time getting there than a white or any other race kid from the suburbs? The kid from the city could've had a great life, 2 parents, great upbringing, tutoring, all the access to knowledge and technology, while the other kid in the suburb could've been in an abusive household with one parent struggling to keep that house, getting beat, no Internet, no tutoring, no access....race means absolutely nothing sir, you're judging a book by it's cover, are you trying to say just because he was black he was less fortunate and less off just because of his skin color good Harvard going sir?" Boom.... point made.... nothing about vertical leaps or 40yrd dashes necessary 😅

@emmanuelgarcia619 2 месяца назад

No he keeps saying it’s not about race and the kid being black. He said he doesn’t think Black kids from the suburbs with middle class educated parents should be the recipients of AA. He’s talking about POOR inner city kids. They just happen to be disproportionately not white. And yes, a kid growing up poor in the inner city probably does lack various resources a kid growing up in a middle class suburb has. There may be exceptions but that’s a safe generalization to make

@efun8334 2 месяца назад

The professor already addressed that by saying Obama’s or his kid shouldn’t get DEI. Basically meaning you shouldn’t automatically conclude a black candidate went through more adversity than their white counterpart

@chrisbaker7858 2 месяца назад

Hey PBD don't worry bro, the benches are actually kinda warm 🙃

@scottsherman8217 2 месяца назад

Just wondering out loud, has he ever collaborated with Sowell? Both guys are very practical.

@stephenlight647 Месяц назад

I think Roland is right on this stuff.

@drewc4216 2 месяца назад

5:00 WHAT?????

@stgravatt 2 месяца назад

Why is the comment section so negative on this guy? Hes pretty spot on. Race is a factor, one of many. Test scores dont measure intangibles and intangibles need to be thought of. A kid could have amazing stats on paper but faced no challenge, no failure in life. And then when he gets to the next level, he buckles real quick.

@JudeMarchisio 2 месяца назад

People on this comments section can't think for themselves, whatever PBD says they'll agree with, which is ironic because PBD seems like a pretty open minded guy in some regards.

@grimm5702 2 месяца назад

Maybe people is tired with the propaganda and buzzwords...20 years ago there was no such thing...once we start pandering to certain people because we don't wanna hurt their feelings the country got deeper into the rabbit hole and we become more of a circus....we lost all common sense...our Goal now is fake jobs fake tittles lot of stupidity in the work force,pop culture even video games..... enough is enough....

@justmyopinion9883 2 месяца назад

Why is the comment section negative on this guy? Because he’s Black! 😒

@jonjohnsonreads8292 2 месяца назад

This

@goonofhazard2203 2 месяца назад

Why should race be a factor? That's insane.

@bbryant2485 20 дней назад

DEI = New and improved democrat party inspired racism meant to compensate for old democrat party inspired racism.

@rpn1717 2 месяца назад

“I’ll give you a break by letting you watch” 🤣

@nathanroberts4251 2 месяца назад

But I guess appreciate ones oblivious unintentional views at hope you that we are different but all beautiful humans

@charlesmartin_thenegotiator Месяц назад

You can’t compare athletic ability and work ethic to opportunities in education and exposure

@televishenimoniker5546 2 месяца назад

Discrepancies really need to be addressed _before_ college age. I don't know how, but better education & setting is needed in developmental years. Safe & effective schools...perhaps via school choice.

@sufeeb Месяц назад

Where do you stop with "what someone had to go through" as an outside factor?....you can't define it.

@sarahdebardeleben1536 Месяц назад

Thus the race to the bottom

@attinger117 2 месяца назад

The bottom line with this discussion is that life isn’t fair. There are many variables that go into a persons success. When you try to implement a system that attempts to balance an unfairness for one variable, that automatically makes it unfair for someone else due to another variable. Yeah it sucks that life isn’t fair but skin color should never be taken into account when it comes to education because that is straight up racist. Programs that aid kids in poor areas are great, because that is strictly providing equal OPPORTUNITY for more people.

@scottmurphy1142 2 месяца назад

I’ve never seen someone so afraid to say the truth. He’s trying to dodge it as best he can

@jeffreyrichard2575 2 месяца назад

genetic ability does exist Do you think that its a coincidence that 80-90% of all NBA players are black? Intelligence and scholastic ability is partially genetic as well

@marlonmoncrieffe0728 2 месяца назад

Not a coincidence but not genetics either, @@jeffreyrichard2575. Basketball is inexpensive to play and sports is a gateway out of poverty.

@LZX61 2 месяца назад

Mr Fryer shows great naïveté in his imagined system of selection. There is no way it could be implemented well and would end up being used just as all the other methods have been used. DEI = Didn’t Earn It

@Nonbeliever924 2 месяца назад

Skin color should not matter at all. Get the best candidate

@achumangelanga6299 2 месяца назад

I agree with Patrick but life isn’t based only on merit. There’s a lot of bias in decisions

@andrewsmith8727 2 месяца назад

If merit was equal between all applicants in one specific placement, I’m all for diversity. But lowering standards for one race over another to allow them a chance they didn’t earn while pushing aside the person who did earn that opportunity.

@kenyafromcali 2 месяца назад

The natural outcome will be to lower standards. Eventually you will run out of “Diamonds in the rough.” It’s a terrible system. The goal should be higher standards in kindergarten and primarily education to bring out the high performance in socially disadvantaged students.

@makeitmakecents856 2 месяца назад

Ahhhh pbd maaaaad 😂

@josealvarez-lv7iu 2 месяца назад

I was a swimmer and I was an "or" I was short (5'7) and had a decent feel for the water, but I shined in my ability to out work everyone including those who had a great feel for the water and that were built like frogmen. At the beginning in age group swimming they would crush me, but over time and prior to college I became faster than them due to my sheer determination to outwork them and get better by any means. I ended up going and swimming in college, and most of them didn't continue with the sport after high school. I always looked at them as wasted talent, and wondered what it would have been like if I had the genetic gifts they did. Point is Roland is right, what separates the good from great is that you need BOTH. The natural abilities/tendencies (uncontrollable variables) and the grit/determination/willpower (controllable variables). If you are born with natural gifts, and never work hard or develop the "grit", you will always be good. If you don't have the natural gifts, but you have the "grit" you can potentially work yourself up to good, but your ceiling will be limited.

@jeffreyrichard2575 2 месяца назад

what matters is if you won the race not who spent more time in the pool. They didn't give you a gold metal for effort.

@michaellehmann2803 Месяц назад

The delusion is thinking that anyone can ever know all the obstacles that anyone else had to overcome, let alone even knowing what your own obstacles have been. It is an unbelievable amount of hubris that leads a person to believe they can amalgamate someone’s race and economic situation and family situation and a million other factors in their lives that led to them being the person that they are, and you can arbitrarily decide that this person had it worse than that person, and therefore the person who came out with a worse outcome should benefit more than the person that came out with a better outcome. Let the results speak for themselves, and nothing else should matter one bit.

@alexh7064 Месяц назад

I've worked in recruiting in tech for nearly a decade. Racist hiring practices due to DEI runs rampant. I can't count the number of times people in my company would talk about creating a confidential spreadsheet of black applicants/candidates to track to help us hire more black people. I had to constantly remind hiring managers that's ILLEGAL.

@walmersaavedra3972 Месяц назад

You can’t quantitatively measure struggles, potential and talent, they’re subjective things. These are factors that exist and we should take all them into account when evaluating admissions and scholarships though. However, there’s no perfect or systemic way to compare two different people with two different upbringings, environments and resources. Privileges exist and we should be aware of them, and we should give opportunities to people who did a lot with a few things, or who did a lot with a lot of struggles versus someone who didn’t

@ptricky15 2 месяца назад

Even the “equality of opportunity” people are deluded. Liberty is the best option. No arbitrary, government enforced limitations on opportunity. That’s all.

@Themikelawry 2 месяца назад

16:10 agreed

@DustMan2704 2 месяца назад

"All DEI hires are equal, but some DEI hires are more equal than others."

@leighmiller4407 2 месяца назад

Didn't Earn It

@neonomad1939 2 месяца назад

I'm generally not a fan of DEI the way it's applied nowadays, but opportunity has to be given to resilient, talented people who can't perform to the same standard now because of misfortune.

@hgrimes9824 2 месяца назад

Everything should be skill and results based, not based in any way on immutable characteristics period.

@djreneau 2 месяца назад

There should be a way to define the limiting factors that would inhibit an otherwise qualified individual and apply them across the board. If there are certain demographics that are disproportionately affected, then they would still disproportionately benefit.