Well, I think it's because they were going in a straight line, if they were like above the sky with missiles spreading, I think CIWs would get overwhelmed, I don't know between American and Russian. I know that Russian fire much faster then American one.
What this scene doesn't seem to take into account is that even if you destroy the missiles before they impact the sub, you still have the total mass of those missiles traveling at those speeds and impacting the sub, it's gonna be like shotgun blast to the hull repeatedly.
Yes but if they were HEAT missiles, then the damage would be less, since the shape charge would prematurely detonate leaving only fuel, and bits of shrapnel to impact the sub. It would be damaged but I think the armour on the sub could take it
@@reclusiarchgrimaldus1269 Matthew 6:5 "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others." Or in your case, repeatedly posting your verses on this channel.
Повністю згоден. Не існує росіян з головою на плечах, існують тільки тупі раби, які тупо ковтають все, що їм кажуть в зомбіящику та бояться слово впоперек владі сказати. "Мірниє люді", по вам і видно. Тьху!
In real life, the Russian Kashtan CIWS is a very efficient and redundant defensive weapon system. It actually has a number of surface-to-air missile launchers below the gatling gun. The launchers are not separate weapons system but part of the whole CIWS package. To destroy incoming threats, the missile launchers would actually fire first. The gatling gun would only fire to intercept and destroy incoming threats that have escaped the missile defense system. The whole process is performed automatically by computers. U.S. & Chinesse destroyers have gatling guns that could fire 6,000 rounds of ammo per minute as part of Its CIWS. The gatling gun in the Russian Kashtan system, however, is the only one in the world that could fire more than 10,000 rounds of 30mm ammo per minute.
у нас нет пушки гатлинга,у нас АК-630.The AK-630 is a Soviet and Russian fully automatic naval close-in weapon system based on a six-barreled 30 mm rotary cannon. In "630", "6" means 6 barrels and "30" means 30 mm. It is mounted in an enclosed automatic turret and directed by MR-123 radar and television detection and tracking. The system's primary purpose is defense against anti-ship missiles and other precision guided weapons. However it can also be employed against fixed or rotary wing aircraft, ships and other small craft, coastal targets, and floating mines. Once operational, this weapon system was rapidly adopted, with up to 8 units installed in every new Soviet warship (from mine-hunters to aircraft carriers), and hundreds produced in total.
The U.S. Navy's Phalanx CIWS system has a significantly reduced rate of fire compared to the original aircraft version of the "same" Gatling cannon; it is "only" 3000 rounds per minute in the Block 0 Phalanx, and 4500 rounds per minute in the newer Block 2. The GSh-30K Gatling cannons in the original Kashtan system fires at 4,500 rounds per minute as well, but the system incorporates two guns per mounting instead of one; the upgraded Kashtan-M system fires at 5,000 rounds per minute, again times two guns. As for the Chinese, the Type 730 CIWS they currently deploy has a firing range of 4,200 rounds per minute, although the new Type 1130 system on the new carrier Liaoning reportedly fires at 10,000 rounds per minute from a single gun, albeit an extremely bulky Gatling with eleven barrels.
Also, in real life, regardless of whose system is being used, that many missiles would not have been intercepted. The CIWS and CRAM systems are, like you said, last line of defense and they do not have anywhere close to a 100% kill rate.
At this distance you can’t do nothing really if you are not expecting it , no time to react !!!! The boat was ready the first time but the base didn’t expect that !!! Yup , normal . No system can protect you at this range without any prior warning , and the second missiles seems to be faster ( I guess eskander type ), hypersonic mate , specialty designed to hit strategic targets .
AA in those games are completely useless on any ship, even the best AA in the game won't save you (unless your a carrier yourself then your probably fine)
In this case they already knew the target was the Sub. So the defense system for the ship and any automatic weapons they had just had to fire in the general area where they could intercept the missiles. If the missiles were coming for the destroyer it would be a different situation as they would represent a smaller target and interception gets harder.
Nebula I find the director is just flooding the screen with bright and flashing lights to distract from the lack of substance in this movie. Butler is just here for the paycheque
@@Philippe2008fr ya coz if you need to fire your CIWS, you're already too late, and you'd be hit by a missile after your CIWS shoots down 1-2. once you're hit, you're done.
@@the_fabulous_p14 Eh, not that I know enough about it but against cruise missiles, CIWS seem efficient. If they can plot the course they'd hit stuff just by sheer volume of fire. And in this case, with the destroyer not being the target and knowing their own ordnance they'd be very efficient against the missiles. Probably not against this many missiles, sure, but the movie logic does take it to an extreme launching them all at once.
@@martinsvilands7334 Even with a high rate of fire, the missile speed is about 3000 km/h, so the probability of being hit by CIWS bullets must be extremely low. Just to give an example of the difficulty : in WW1, machine guns mounted on planes were firing... right through the turning helix! The bullets were passing through the rotating blades, the speed of the bullet and the speed of the rotor making almost impossible for a bullet to hit the blades. if happened it was just deflecting the bullet (with reinforcement metal placed on the blades to deflect the bullet). So at the speed of a missile, it is just like a bullet is hit by another bullet! Probably Almost impossible
I don't think it would matter too much how fast you're flying towards a brick wall. The intent of CIWS is providing extreme volume of fire (which would generally be achieved by multiple systems firing at the same time) and increasing the statistical likelihood of hitting the target. Russian 3M-51 is 8 meters long and flies at 700m/s which would make it occupy any one space for roughly 1/100th of a second. Kashtan fires 150 (30x165mm) rounds a second at 850m/s- side by side this would be 4.5m line of projectiles but end to end we get a 24.5m rod of destruction which then occupies any one space for roughly 2.8/100 s. Obviously, there's no "rod" but the idea remains, given any one space on the trajectory it is occupied by the missile for 0.01s and 0.028 by a projectile from CIWS With all the missiles moving in from the same direction and moving in a trajectory a Russian ship would be quite familiar with seeing as it's the same ordnance they use, I'd suspect they'd have good success at dealing with the missiles. It's why you need overwhelming prolonged barrage to get through CIWS when they're reloading or repositioning for additional targets or ability to avoid being tracked and engaged at all. The reason CIWS are put on ships is that they're efficient at dealing with anti ship missiles at close range.
My last job in the RN was phalanx engineer. Very accurate system in tests against sub-sonic target drones. These gun systems have never been fired in anger as yet, let's pray they never will. The only naval unit to ever successfully shoot down a missile in anger was HMS Gloucester using Sea Dart back in the 90's
That was in the first gulf War. A missile fired at an Iowa class battleship either the USS Wisconsin or USS Missouri. And that British ship was providing protection against missiles.
@@user-qg5pn1qd6s также, как и мы верим, что весь мир нас боится и что талибы с Ираном наши братья У всех свои мечты Иран например мечтает о ядерной войне, как и русские посмотрите телик сейчас нас буквально к этому готовят Скоро будет весело
The shrapnel would still have ruined that SSN as an effective submarine. A mission kill, if not an actual kill. Still, once you see Gerard Butler's name in a movie, you know that realism never had a look-in.
It actually would do very little to any major life supporting systems, primary hull, etc. I know it sounds crazy but that hy80 is THICK. Would def be some dents and paint missing. ETC(SS/IDW/SW) Retired.
этот фильм передает очень «глубокое» и «красивое» послание !! ... мы все братья! Хорошее или плохое у вас правительство !! но да, сделай свой вклад, чтобы быть хорошим человеком, мы все друзья и братья! Я плакала в конце фильма, они заставили меня прийти сюда, чтобы самовыражаться !!!
Film and reality are two different things. It turned out that Russia is not brothers. Reality sends a different message. Ukraine protects the whole world!
@@iratusviator4166 Украина сейчас - безумные последователи Бандеры, радостно танцующие на костях своих же соотечественников. Они утратили всё человеческое, что присуще адекватным людям.
@@Frankishteinus да ты просто ГЕНИЙ ! Большей глупости еще не читал ! Для начала ответь кто на кого напал ? А напала Россия на Украину ! Кто совершал зверства ? Это российские солдаты совершали зверства в Буче, Ирпене, Гостомеле, Изюме, Тростянце, Лимане и т.д.. Ты делаешь выводы сидя жопой на диване в дали от войны, а я все видел своими глазами ! Ты понял ? Я все видел своими глазами ! Так что мне плевать на все твои тупые фразы ! Позор вам и наша ненависть на века ! Мы своим внукам и правнукам расскажем кто и что такое российское зверье, потерявшее человеческий облик ! Будьте вы прокляты !
@@Frankishteinus еще одно подтверждение твоей тупости ! Мне не нужно верить или не верить, я знаю точно, ибо повторю - я все видел своими глазами ! Это твоя прерогатива верить и тупить ! А я ЗНАЮ !
Would just be a drag on the Americans. Russian ground forces has huge problems with recruits being sold into sexual slavery, and alcohol abuse. Which is only made worse by the widespread corruption and use of conscripts.
I don't care what anyone says, I will always find a certain charm in these (relatively) low budget actioners. For $40 million, this is actually pretty good CGI. And the 4K certainly helps.
@@TheGranicd Kortik is the actual name but Kashtan is the export name, similar like how Mil Mi8 is the designation used in Russia and Mil Mi17 in export version
Gerard Butler's Captain character definitely understands making a high-risk/reward play in holding back his launch. As the movie stated, if he launched, the world would have seen the US as the aggressors. By waiting he turned it into Russians solving an internal domestic problem. Sorry, Ivan, no war today.
One thing: We see 6 total missiles fired by the Soviet missile launchers. However, counting on both visible and audible detonations from missiles hit by the CIWS, there were at least 9 warheads heading for the Arkansas. Either more missiles were fired just off screen, someone other than the base fired, or this is a flaw.
You fuckers in the comments, sure do talk a lot of shit. But it’s funny when Germany was kicking your ass who was your first phone call bitch. That’s right The United States of America 🇺🇸
I'm not an expert of military stuff,but the most unreal fact is that in the russian base they don't have countermeasures for missiles and the operators at the desk are looking aware of missiles only seeing them by the windows
xD The ship could intercept but the land base did not have to intercept, since Russia has one of the best anti-missile shields in the world...since they are masters of the rockets.
Tomahawk cruise missiles cannot intercept cruise missiles. It’s a long range surface to surface weapon. To date, I don’t think Russia has anything of value to intercept a missile since those defenses seem to fail a lot now.
@@gabrieldavidson4442Kalibr perform well on Ukraine battlefield dude, it's just Westen media trying to hode those truth from you, and Ukraine exaggerate the intercepted missiles like alot more than the real number
Real shame the Russian sub captain passed away before it was released. Same guy that played the father in John Wick. Decent flick. Bugs me that the explosion and momentum of the debris would have still torn through the sub.
haha, that beast is on another level compared to the US phalanx system and Goalkeeper isn't even in the competition really. Phalanx still looks cooler though, like R2-D2 with a 20mm minigun.
Gotta love a Gatling-based rapid fire system, as mounted on AC130, A10 Thunderbolt, CIWS on USN vessels, Kashtan on Russian Navy vessels... anything that goes BRRRRRRRT! : )
Ye... a totally sick scene I don't care if it's realistic or not. I extended the scene by around 70%. The original movie it only Fires for about 4-5 seconds ( which is a long time actually)
@@briancampbell6156 Russian Kashtan CIWS that uses two 30x165mm cannons at 10 000RPM compared to Phalanx 20x102mm at 6000 RPM The Russian CIWS is in another league
If you look closely at 2:58, the explosion over the sub is being rewind back and used back in this scene Edit: or should i say this entire scene with the CIW and the missile is repeated
I think the guy edited it to look cool. I watched it in the movies and it wasn't repeated at all. I can clearly see some difference in this video and the actual movie.
@@krishanuphukan80 i know that. The Supreme Russian Ciws is equipped with x2 30mm auto cannons plus 8 SAM anti aircraft. (It seems mostly a secondary offensive artillery, than defensive one)
Yeah. IIRC it was called the Kashtan(might be wrong). 10k RPM and 40 SAMs that needed only 45 seconds to reload a clip of 8 missiles. And there were 6 of those things installed on their Aircraft Carrier. Upto 6 can be linked together and used on a ship.
@@krishanuphukan80 Kashtan (Kashtan) - an outdated complex (in the Russian fleet it has a different name - Dirk). According to the results of training firing, it was recognized that the combination of guns and missiles on one module makes sense on a tank, but not on a ship. Therefore, it was decided that it would be better to have a separate installation of Kinjal missiles (dagger) and separately, an AK-630 cannon mount.
If you guys want to know that ciws exists in real life its called "The kashtan". It shoots at and insane 10,000 rpm and this movie is actually accurate to it.
Couldn't agree more. It would be awesome if they put their heads together and built a few spaceships. In all seriousness, when groups of people have to rely on one another to survive (in this case, in space), so much human bullsht completely disappears.
Not gonna happen anytime soon. You need common enemy to become allies. Maybe after alien invasion or suddenly a gate to the otherworld open in the middle of pacific, indian, atlantic ocean spewing fleets of enemies.
Plenty of Hollywood movies go for this overtly dramatic, massively produced tone. It isn't terribly unique, and the film itself is similar to "The Hunt For Red October". Much like it, this movie is also based off a novel.
I like how on top of the inherent ridiculousness, they didn’t even coordinate that. Somehow the protagonist was the only one who knew that would happen. Imagine that.
Yes, that’s exactly how we can’t do anything, and the Kalashnikov assault rifle was not invented by Russians ... You are just a potential injured character from a joke about the Polite Elk)))
@@cassablanca148 what do you mean by 2,3?only 3 bullets got wasted?if you watch it carefully hundreds of bullets went past the missiles without hitting them perhaps some fish in the water lol.
The Kortik CWIS system can put 10000 rounds downrange per minute, 2800 fps. The Kashtan is the export version of the Kortik, it only does about 8000. Both also use radar guided missiles and they can be used in tandem. You wonder if it's practical. That's a hell of a lot of ammunition being shot off.
I mean, I'd sure as hell pay tens of thousands to protect a boat worth millions if it came down to that. Lasers would be much more practical but they're not yet to the point they can replace throwing as literal a wall of lead at a target as you can manage
But in reality the russian boats caught fire because of vlodomir smoking next to the fuel supply again, and those truck missile launchers never left the garage because someone had stolen the engines to buy some vodka
i am one of many weapons experts who spend their time on youtube confirming the realism of the videos presented. this video scene is very realistic, i can tell by some of the pixels, much like one would with photoshop. and the way gerard butler says battle stations is exactly how i would say it when i was in one of the five naval battles i was in that was a lot like this one. because this one is very realistic and good, and you can tell if you look at the pixels. thank you for coming to my TEDx talk.
