@jaraman9 OK. How did he Modify them? I started "BJJ" since 1996 and am still searching for it. G's learned x% of Judo from Maeda, added things over the years from their matches and other arts (including judo, e.g. the triangle choke, ezekiel), each teacher teaches his/her own way/style .... but fundamentally it's judo. newaza focused judo in a culture environment that doesn't scare off most foreigners (but is less than it could be. don't ask me how, figure it out for yourselves.)
Thanks Santiago. Agree the training context has changed to fit culture. (But small things re self defense are lost in that process.) Brazilians didn't invent fubol but they're damn good at it. 1905 Brasil kindly opened its doors to Japanese immigrants, some knew judo, the rest is history. Train well!
True. BJJ is different method to learn Ne waza. More friendly for foreigner who not comfortable in traditional dojo. Everybody modify move to suit themself but Japanese name difficult for non Japanese speaker to remember so easier to call it something new.
hey guys,here in brazil we don´t go to the computer and discuss what´s better but we use everything that works,so here in brazil we love sambo leg locks,and wrestiling takedowns if you keep the narrow mind you don´t grow as a fighter.
He modified the training methodology and the intention behind it. When Maeda taught the gracies judo he taught them what would be referred by today's standards as Kosen Judo. Kosen Judo Far more resembled BJJ than olympic Judo. Although even in Kosen Judo the newaza encompasses aprox. 50% of the training and the top position mentality is stressed more. Helio Emphasised a more submission based approach that focused more on Newaza and elaborated on the techniques further.
And those blue belts would get smashed by a Judo Green belt in throws. Two separate sets of skills. Both would be picked apart by a novice Boxer in striking. It's all relative to what skill is being competed in =)
@OVERCAPITALIZE - I am not sure what you mean by that. I am a 2 stripe blue belt under Relson Gracie, and I and guys at my gym asked him about it, and he clearly stated that their dad ( Helio) MODIFIED (not invented) the techniques the japanese (Maeda) taught to his brother (Carlos Gracie Sr.). I am not trying to make anybody on here mad but I just wanted to clarify this BJJ vs JUDO business as I love both arts and I think it is silly that people bicker instead of enjoying them.
I think we should all wear White belts and let years of sweat and blood and every form of dirt make your belt black---train until the wheels fall off! I did approximately 4-5 month of BJJ--loved it--switched to Judo because I enjoyed it in 2012 and now I believe training in both will give you a comprehensive set of solid Grappling Self Defense foundation---
