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RWF#28 - Vraska, the Silencer + Crew 

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(4*) Can you crew a vehicle you returned with Vraska?
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@smaller_half7013
@smaller_half7013 17 дней назад
It was really nice meeting you. Thanks for making a video with me. And with a 4* question no less. Now I don't feel so bad for not getting the correct answer without looking anything up
@RaphaelBriand
@RaphaelBriand 18 дней назад
I think I got this, the only thing I wasn't sure on was whether Crew was tied to the Vehicle subtype. Glad it lined up with my intuition.
@GreatWhiteElf
@GreatWhiteElf 18 дней назад
I assumed incorrectly that you can't crew a card that wasn't a vehicle :/
@OMGclueless
@OMGclueless 17 дней назад
@@GreatWhiteElf You'd think so, especially because you can only Equip things that are Equipment (or more specifically, you can Equip anything with an Equip ability, but it falls off as a state-based action).
@violet_broregarde
@violet_broregarde 9 дней назад
you can hypothetically crew an enchantment and it would stop being an enchantment and start being an artifact creature but if it doesn't have power and toughness it would die
@LawrenceMiles1972
@LawrenceMiles1972 17 дней назад
So Vraska ends up driving a stone vehicle, probably while shouting "yabba-dabba-doo".
@skaven969
@skaven969 17 дней назад
The less you say the more right you are. The more we overthink the card rules we start to go into magical fairy land and bring up points that aren’t on the card text. Very interesting watching people go through the thought process. In the heat of a battle these answers are often the rules kitchen table magic runs with. And the players get use to the idea interaction, even if it is wrong.
@SpitefulAZ
@SpitefulAZ 17 дней назад
@@skaven969 Dave has a video about how if a card said "move counters from X to Y" and another card said "whenever you put a counter on Y, do something"; would "moving" counters still count as "putting" counters?
@SpitefulAZ
@SpitefulAZ 17 дней назад
@@skaven969 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nCyAanKDmcA.htmlsi=XMTiJUgYT-8eI3sm
@skaven969
@skaven969 17 дней назад
@@SpitefulAZ blindly answering I would say “no” they are “moved”. Then I would make a joke about eldraine 3: revenge of the ogre phyrexian foodstuffs where they introduce “pudding” counters which are always considered to be “put” on a “target”, thus making nadu, winged wisdom more fair by breaking the game harder.
@JasonOshinko
@JasonOshinko 17 дней назад
@@skaven969 @SpitefulAZ It counts. 122.5. If an effect says to “move” a counter, it means to remove that counter from the object it’s currently on and put it onto a second object.
@kacyhasthecandy
@kacyhasthecandy 17 дней назад
real ones know this was a ddr a few weeks ago 😊 but its a great question for rwf!
@chaosredefined3834
@chaosredefined3834 16 дней назад
He got the right answer (that you could crew it and attack), but with the wrong reasoning. Did he get the booster pack?
@mythoughtsonblank5769
@mythoughtsonblank5769 17 дней назад
Heyo I had a situation I wanted to ask about. Amy is getting attacked for lethal. She has no untapped lands, a Thalia on the battlefield, and a flare of fortitude in hand. Can she sacrifice Thalia therefore causing her to survive? Or does the tax still apply?
@gillablecam
@gillablecam 17 дней назад
I hope this gets a formal answer, too, but I believe all costs are paid simultaneously. So the alternative cost of sacrificing Thalia and the additional cost of paying 1 both need to be paid at the same time to cast the spell. Unfortunately, Amy cannot prevent her demise
@ShinkuDragon
@ShinkuDragon 17 дней назад
​@@gillablecamthe first thing you determine is the cost of the spell, so you factor thalia. Later on you actually pay the costs but by that point the tax is already in place
@enoesiw
@enoesiw 17 дней назад
That's correct, similar to how cost reducers still affect the cost of a spell if you sacrifice them as a part of the cost, cost increasers do as well.
@Vex-MTG
@Vex-MTG 17 дней назад
​@@ShinkuDragonYup. You can also see this interaction with treasures and spells that have affinity for artifacts
@colexian
@colexian 18 дней назад
Hey Everyone!
@Karonar
@Karonar 17 дней назад
Vehicle isnt a card type? Why would it lose that?
@JasonOshinko
@JasonOshinko 17 дней назад
I believe it does lose the Vehicle subtype. Vraska says "It becomes a Treasure artifact" and doesn't say "in addition to its other types", so its other artifact types are overwritten.
@Karonar
@Karonar 17 дней назад
@@JasonOshinko ah true, because of that part. I was so focused on the loses card type part.
@Balor64
@Balor64 17 дней назад
"If *you* have a vehicle that dies in combat, can *you* bring it back with Vraska?" No, because Vraska only works on *my opponent's* creatures.
@SpitefulAZ
@SpitefulAZ 17 дней назад
why does this Vraska card say non token? if it omitted the non token, it would still do the same thing because tokens are never cards.
@CrystalLily1302
@CrystalLily1302 17 дней назад
Because the trigger would still go on the stack, and the game designers want to avoid having abilities that go on the stack and then do nothing
@gillablecam
@gillablecam 17 дней назад
I could be wrong, but I think tokens go to the graveyard as cards and then cease to exist the next time state based actions are checked (That's to allow death triggers to work with tokens). They would cease to exist after triggering the ability, though, so the overall effect is the same as you would get nothing from it.
@SpitefulAZ
@SpitefulAZ 17 дней назад
@@gillablecam everything you said is correct, except that tokens, by definition , are never cards. 108.2b: Tokens aren't considered cards-even a card-sized game supplement that represents a token isn't considered a card for rules purposes.
@SpitefulAZ
@SpitefulAZ 17 дней назад
@@CrystalLily1302 that's true but going on the stack doesn't do anything anyway. and less words is better than more words. they even removed "the battlefield" from "when [name] enters the battlefield". 🤷‍♀️
@Minizemful
@Minizemful 16 дней назад
@@SpitefulAZ I does do something, it gives you the opportuninty to pay {1} to bring it back, even if it's not there anymore to bring back. You can basically just ignore this in paper magic, but having it trigger off token deaths in MTGO or Arena would be obnoxious.
@cyberphoniex7529
@cyberphoniex7529 17 дней назад
Wait you said if You have the vehicle dies in Combat. You cannot bring it back Vraska says a non token creature an opponent controls dies. So you cannot crew it. Now if an opponent crews their vehicle to make it creature it dies you pay the one generic then you can crew a Treasure Artifact
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