I'm running 5700g as my main rig for 8+ months now and honestly, if you're disinterested in high-end, modern AAA games or are willing to accept playing on low detail it's really a wonderful chip. Handling the light and older games I play without a hitch while doing wonders in productivity department. I'm kind of in love with it, particularly when coupled with how quiet and energy efficient a system based around it can be. And considering we'll see vastly more powerful APUs in the future Ryzen generations, along with DDR5 RAM maturing and nullifying some of the memory bandwidth bottleneck... I'm not sure I'll be ever coming back to discreet graphics cards.
@Jim Jam To be fair, I also have an Xbox for the rare opportunity something graphically-demanding I actually want to check out drops on Game Pass. I'm pretty sure at the time I bought it a 3070ti costed as much as my new ryzen 5700g PC and the console combined. lol
@@johnsherby9130 hey that can be a great depending on your current game habits and cpu situation. To have a little itx apu build with noctua cooler sporting this cpu is the minimalist dream!
Its amazing how far integrated graphics have come, less than a few years ago iGPU used to be stuff of nightmares requiring you to drop to 400x300 lowest settings and what not and now something like 5700g and XE are able to play modern titles at 720p to 1080p with quiet ease
The joke is that Piranha Bytes games STILL perform like shit, they are using the Gothic 3 engine to this day. Explains a lot. As much love as some people have for them, I just think they're incredibly lazy and stubborn and it's a shame
Please do not unless it's just morbid curiousity. 710 was e-waste when it first launched, now it's just gross. Both it and 730 might literally bottleneck the integrated graphics in the athlon. xD Edit: Now that I thought about it, I'm pretty sure LTT made a video on 710 and it was worse than the shitty integrated graphics on an Intel chip... So gross. xD
@@alchemik666 the GDDR5 version of the 730 is almost on par with the athlon's igpu, had one in my rig for a few months a while ago, so i guess it might be a more suitable comparison
I just love seeing videos that show off older and currently cheaper hardware head to head and how well they do in some games and not so well in others even though I have a 10700k and a RTX 3070 but yeah I still love seeing stuff like this. I have been following you for about a year now and I'm glad you have became a bigger channel keep making great content man.
Not the one coming this year but the one coming in 2023 yeah. This year we'll get a 6700G that's basically a Ryzen 7 6800H desktop counterpart. So RX 6400 performance, which means better than a 1050 Ti but still worse than a 1060. Next year however, at worst if it's still RDNA2 based we'll probably get to 1060 performance, but best case scenario if we get RDNA3 APUs, then we can even expect performance between a 1060 and a 1070.
@@trixniisama I don't think we'll be getting a 6700G. Firstly it simply wouldn't make sense to port Zen 3+ to AM5. What's more, if it somehow got released on AM4, DDR4 is going to be a bottleneck. So I don't think there are going to be any 6000 series desktop chips. Next year on the other hand, they are going to release the Phoenix APUs, probably somewhere in Q1 of 2023. We will know for sure what the specs will be when the engineering samples start popping up in around Q3 or Q4 of this year. And there are still rumours that some weaker and downclocked RDNA 2 iGPUs will appear on the desktop Raphael chips (there are probably going to be some F models as well). I am looking forward to both of them, as an iGPU is going to make more sense for me only as an addition to the main GPU for things like GPU passthroughs for the virtual machines, instead of a replacement. Those Phoenix APUs might be amazing for some budget and ITX builds. By the way, the Phoenix APUs are rumoured to feature 16-24 RDNA 2 CUs (at 5nm, so they might actually pull it off, since it would take up less space on the die), and at some very high clocks as well. So they will easily blow something like the RX 6500 XT out of the water, given fast RAM.
@@tilapiadave3234 Exactly right. It's never going to happen. Under Lisa Su's leadership, AMD knows they can charge a premium, and you're a damn fool if you don't believe they'll do it.
I have a athlon3000g machine, I built it for my son, paired it with a 6500xt. It only runs into cpu limitations basically. I had the athlon3000g for little more than over a year ago, it was hard to get your hands on because people were using it to build crazy cheap insane rigs, insane as in WRONGly cheap. Like sub $200 rigs. $20-30 case, $20-30 psu, $20 storage, $20 single stick ram, $40-50 mobo(if they didn't pull one from the assorted bin mobo going for $15 at the time at microcenter), this is when it was going for $50. I couldn't find 1 in stores for a long time, and often they were almost always offering a $20 off deal if you buy a cpu with motherboard on select products. Usually it was off the mobo. I had spare parts from a old rig after selling the cpu and gpu that wouldn't sell on ebay, so I ended up slapping the athlon 3000g in, I had to buy it on ebay for scalper prices of $70 which I won in a bid when the price was pretty much at $109. After a year of dealing with its vega 3 graphics I went to microcenter to try to buy the 6500xt, the microcenter staff who was trying to help me only wanted to sell me nvidia gpu's for litterally more than double the cost of my budget and he went onto a fanboy rant because of reviews he saw online, I saw same said reviews and I dismissed them rightfully so as nvidia paying off reviewers/threatening them which they will, have, and still do. I also wanted out of the box linux support so going nvidia route is less than ideal even. The only cards in budget for me on nvidia camp were the 1030 which I had one in the past in a different rig sold that, and a 710, which I shoved in inlaws rig to get them off their terrible intel IGPU. Even the 6500xt is too powerful to run into limits before the cpu does, even when the cpu limits the gpu to pcie 3.0 speeds. I also had 32gb of 3200mhz neoforza ram which is more like 2800mhz paired with this athlon3000g, and motherboard would not allow me to set the vram past 2gb, and this is the main problem with igpu's if they want to improve they need to allow for far more ram to be dedicated to them. With that rig I could have easily spared 16gb of ram for vram. With the athlon3000g you want to pair it with the right ram and preferably fill all the slots. To explain why would take 4 more paragraphs. But the 6500xt is a underrated beast in its price point, I have not gotten to test a 6400 so I can not recommend but I also can not trust any online reviews as they painted the 6500xt to being complete and utter garbage. Pairing a 6500xt with a athlon3000g does improve the athlons performance and it makes it so it can play a lot more games, but it still struggles with minecraft, which is extremely CPU limited game.
Just saw ETAPrime's video on the 680M iGPU of the R7-6800U, and I'm pretty impressed! Can't wait to see that APU stretch it's legs inside a mini-PC, bcoz it couldn't max out it's clocks inside that constrained TDP of the specific laptop!
Still won't make sense unless you *never* plan to buy a dedicated graphics card, as it'll be slower as an actual CPU than the regular Ryzen chips from the next lineup.
@@ShogoKawada123 how will it not make sense? It's literally going to be faster than the Zen 3 chips as it's running Zen 4. It's definitely not going to be CPU bottlenecked
@@deleted6052 What they mean is an APU makes sacrifices to fit the iGPU basically, it's a bit weaker that it's no iGPU counterpart From my understanding at least
The 3000g had some utility at its RRP of £40. Made a great "starter" CPU for AM4 builds that could be replaced in time. You could put together a budget PC for about 2 to 3 hundred quid with one that would be very upgradable in the future
Finally upgraded from my Ryzen 3 2200G APU to a Ryzen 5 5600X after 4 years. The 2200G has been great companion all these years and can easily run all AAA games close to 30 FPS at Medium-High settings on 1080p after overclocking to 1500 MHz
Would be nice to see 5700g tested in comparison with low-end cpu+gpu for ~350$, for example 12100f+6400xt or 6500xt (if it fits the budget). cpu+gpu pair will probably be in a lead, but for how much %?
I've seen the 5700G on sale for around $250. Absolutely killer deal, I've been tempted to get one but don't know how well it'd pair with my x470 motherboard.
I was using the Vega 11 iGPU in my Ryzen 5 2400G for several months without issue at 1080p until I snagged an RX 570 for $120 brand new at Micro Center in the US back in fall of 2019. The Ryzen even came with two free games one of which I chose Resident Evil 2 Remake and the iGPU played it without issue. GTA V ran smooth as butter especially after coming from the Radeon HD 6970 and AMD FX 6300 combo I was using up until January 2019. CS GO ran beautifully as well albeit a bit lower as the 6970 was still quite powerful at the time.
It actually looks like the 5700G is priced perfectly at $250, relative to the $99 of the 3000G when you consider a 2-3x performance improvement in frames per second.
Arguably it's priced at a even better value at that cost compared to the 3000g if you consider the core difference in other functions like productivity. Not to mention there's a massive upgrade path in terms of getting a discrete GPU down the road whereas the 3000g would assuredly bottleneck even the low end stuff.
I want randomgaminginhd to do some game streams I never watch any twitch stream or anything but would happily sit there for afew hours and watch you play !
Now do a 3000G + RX 6400 vs 5700G comparison! It’s not as stupid as it sounds, either, because the Athlon + baby Navi 2 should be around the same price as a 5700G.
@Yasuno Tsukuda Right. But the Zen cores of the 3000G get walked by the Zen 3 cores of the 5700G, and that’s before we consider the 5700G has four times as many of them to boot. So it’d still give some interesting results: plenty of times where the Athlon will run out of CPU horsepower to push the 6400, and others where the 5700G will be too held back by its onboard Vega graphics.
I build my PC 3 weeks ago with a 5700g and it's working great for me. The most demanding game for me is satisfactory and it has no problem to run it on 1080p. In total i spend 470€ on the hole pc including the 1080p monitor and Tastatur. Except the 5700g all partsxare second hand but i am absolutely happy.
It can't be understated just how capable modern processors have become in recent years and how they're really starting to outpace the software workloads. Ten years ago when studying engineering I had a dual core Athlon laptop that couldn't handle the CAD work I needed it to do. Now even low-end computers can do some serious productivity with the amount of available processing cores and single-core performance.
I noticed on another channels benchmark of the R5 5500, that in some games, like CS:GO, the 5500 _Beat_ the 3700X. Yet most reviewers treat it as garbage. That baffles me. I'm on a B450 board and don't plan to buy into a new platform so, the latest 'drop-in' offerings from AMD are of great interest to me. I'm not a heavy gamer. I am hoping in due time you will review the R3 4100 as I am very seriously considering it but, I haven't seen any reviews that are unbiased. Regardless, thank you and cheers from Alaska.
As someone who currently uses a 5700G, I absolutely love it. 300 dollars for an incredible processor that also has decent on board graphics. Could not recommned enough if you arent ready to buy a graphics card at these prices
There is a PBO2 feature for Ryzen 5600G and 5700G CPU with b450 or higher motherboards. Try to set the 5700G PPT (Power Limit) to same Power Consumption of the Athlon 3000G, then compare the power efficiency.
I would love to see a video comparing the 5700g to a 10 year old flagship GPU. My first GPU was a Radeon HD 7950 back in 2012 and the 5700g looks like it would put up quite a fight against it.
I have a rig that has the 5700G and it performs very well for a chip that has integrated graphics. It ran Apex, GTA5, and Rainbow Six Siege pretty fine. When I tried to boot up Max Payne 1 and 2, for some odd reason they wouldn't start.
It won't run Halo Infinite at a playable framerate once you get to the open world part after the prologue It'll run the prologue fine though, kinda like a demo, I got my RTX 3070 Ti recently and it runs great at max (ultra) settings
It should also beat the 5700G handily in a handful of titles that are ok with only 2 cores. The Vega iGPUs are strong, but they aren't 4x the TDP on a newer architecture strong.
Terrible idea really, you want the fastest PCIe 4.0 compatible CPU you can get if you have to go with a 6400. 12100F is a great choice as there's no such thing as an Alder Lake compatible board that lacks PCIe 4.0.
It's also worth noting that the older 200GE and 300GE series Athlon chips don't have full 16x PCI-E functionality, but only 8x, so the lowest end cards that use a full sized connector wired for 8x are going to be your best bet, as anything using anywhere near full 16x bandwidth, ie more than half, is going to get a hardware bottleneck with a dGPU.
I cant be the only 1080p player who wants a 1080p high apu, SOC and chiplets is the way to go, so I really hope when am5 lands, it brings with it a killer apu. heres hoping
I just bought a 5700g for 1750 Dkk (202 in uk pound ) and that's is included 25% vat. I went to Amazon UK to see what the price was in the UK and it cost 206 pound. I think it's a very good price for a 8 core chip.
Worth upgrading from 2200g to 5600g for the kids? Still waiting for my x370 itx board to get the official support. Biostar x370 GTN Racing in a pico itx case. No dedicated gpu option in the case. Thoughts?
I see you haven't upped the vram limit on the 5700g it's at 512mb vs 2gb on the athlon... I don't think the results will differ too much... But something to note my British brother from another mother. Love the vids keep it up
Well, the phrase " you get what you're paying for" applies well here. Of course 5700G would perform way better overall. I'd only go for 3000G nowadays if i wanted a really cheap pc for basic tasks and / or older or less demanding games. Thanks for the comparison.
My laptop has a 5600H and it's pretty damn capable. Can get Tiny Tina's Wonderlands and GTA V to run well, also Forza Horizon 5 and a bunch of emulation, even Switch Emulation! Didn't want a dGPU since I have my PC already and for mobile gaming without a socket nearby the little Vega chip performs basically identical to when it's plugged in ^^
i dont know if you do modern laptops at all, but I would be curious to see you compare and benchmark the new 680M iGPU on ryzen 6000 mobile CPUs. I recently got a 6800HS, 3070ti equipped Strix G15 2022 and I am impressed at how well it runs games on the iGPU when I am running on battery
@@ClayWheeler They reviewed laptops in the past and why not. the new iGPUs might be a decent budget gaming option to explore, since thats part of the channel.
Hello I would love to see a video of there 2 apu tested in game AMD A8-6410 APU + Radeon R5 Graphics and the athlon 3000g just to see the difference between them and to see how far we come. As in the UK power prices are sky rocking Please
I still have an Athlon 200GE I'm holding onto for an HTPC. I was able to OC it as a holdover until I got a better CPU as a long term pre-planned upgrade path (I went with a 3600) on my AsRock motherboard. I already have a spare motherboard of the exact same one I already had, so all it needs is storage and some ram and the usual accoutrements like case, power supply, et al.
Had an Athlon X4 640, upgraded to a Phenom X6 1090T, and will maybe upgrade to FX-6350 (with different mb), or skip and upgrade to a Ryzen 3 1200 (and with that to AM4 mb) in the future. All cpu's are used and already in my stock. xD Motherboard for the FX is there too, and a A320M-H Gigabyte mb is already on the way. GPU is an XFX Radeon RX460 4GB silent for all setups, ram is 2x4GB ddr3, and an 8GB ddr4 has arrived too, just the mb is missing for the Ryzen upgrade. P.S.: the used market prices around here for these CPU's and mb's are too good at the moment...
Get the 12400 non f it comes with a IGPU that has Intels new media engine that makes it amazing if your ever going to be doing and video editing in a lot of uses it will pay for its $20 more it cost than the f with out a igpu
It would totally be cool if you could do this from Ryzen 3 2200G vs Ryzen 7 5700G but also throw in a comparison for overclocked Ryzen 3 2200G to 3.8GHz with the Vega 8 at 1600MHz. I bet the OC R3 2200G can match the 5700G in a lot of games.
@@xplicitfishin A 2200G is more than perfect for a home theater system. I've used a 2200G for about 2 years and it's easy to keep around 3.9GHz with the 4C/4T. If you really need to overclock the hell out of it, you can get the Vega 8 to 1650MHz for consistent game play. Anymore that they it's not going to last long and becomes unstable.
I think a good comparison would be an athlon with a discrete gpu vs a 5700g without any gpu. It would be similarly priced and I think it would be a cool comparison!
I've had a 5700g for a few months now, and it runs great, but for more modern stuff it has a hard time running them even with 32GB DDR4 So I got an RTX 3070 Ti recently, sometimes games will still lag but rarely I'd say the 5700g is an excellent CPU, especially if you can't get a discreet graphics card, and it DEFINITELY beats out cheap garbage discreet graphics cards, the kind if cards that used to sell for $10-$70 that are now $40-$200 since 2020 I mean The 5700g runs Minecraft at ok settings, settings are normal, like fancy graphics and such, with a render distance of 16-24 running okay at around 40+ FPS I think (I can't remember well)
12400 and rtx 3070ti is a great PC today and prob the best bang for Buck for a great 1440p high refresh 4k big screen gaming / video editing PC 12600k and you got yourself a nice steaming setup even
I'm not sure why you recommending only CPU when talking about APU. People really don't think highly about integrated graphics just because they could get external gpu. However there's so many good things about having IGP specially modern igp when it still comparable with GTX 750/Ti
You should try to redo this video with the phenom X6 and see the differences which will be some but remember to keep the exact same video card that's used for both just as you did here
Very good video as usual. I do however have a small issue with your reversed math.. You said the 3000g is 2,5 times slower than 5700g. How is this possible? I also heard you state in another video that one gpu was 300% slower.. If you remove 300% of anything you would be 200% in the negative. i.e. 100-300% would be -200.. It makes somewhat more sense the other way around if you say the 5700g is 2,5 times faster. i.e 20 fps x2,5 =50 fps. This is 150% faster as 150% of 20 is 30 and added it is 50. If something is 300% faster it gives 4x the original number. i.e. 20 fps +300% will be 80 fps..
Have you tried benchmarking GTA Online too? There should be a frame rate difference if you are using an APU only, but also with a graphics card as GTA Online is more CPU intensive than single player.
Considering I paid under $400 for a brand new 4700U laptop back those are the sweet spot for apu's. It's a very slightly slower 8c8t version of the 5700G with a barely slower gpu (Vega 7 vs Vega 8)
i have a uSFF pc as a media center / light gaming rig in my bedroom, and the 5700G serves a great purpose for something like that. Especially when paired with faster RAM, i noticed a decent difference going from 3200 to 3600 lower latency RAM.
I know the temptation is always there to make these videos into some kind of consumer advice, but sometimes the people just wanna see dumb comparisons!
the best apu for "gaming" money wise is always gonna be on the lower side. the only problem with 3000g is it is just outside of "playable" range. a 4 core apu is a 100% viable option though - runs 90% of the modern game, scosts not much and allows for dirt cheap mb and even allows for some upgrade since it is heavily ipgu bound so there's room for a discrete gpu.
Just out of curiosity, why is the VRAM usage between the two chips so dramatically different with the 3000g using a lot more than the Ryzen 7 5700g. Is that a feature of the newer GPU or a error of the benchmarking software?
Probably just how it's monitored on MSI Afterburner for some reason. If you look at memory usage, the 5700g happens to use more that is close to the same amount as the difference in VRAM. I don't know why it's like that. Maybe because the 5700g has a larger cache?
MSI Afterburner only reports *dedicated* VRAM, which for iGPUs it's usually automatically at around 512MB less or more unless set manually on BIOS (I don't recommend it). iGPUs also use *shared* RAM from the system, taking as much as it needs up to half (in my experience using a lot of AMD APUs at least) your total RAM. Window's Task Manager show's it really well on the GPU memory usage. Going back to the comparison, probably the dedicated VRAM was set to 2GB on BIOS but left on Auto on the R7.
I have a feeling the 5600g would probably be the healthy middleground, ~$100 less, only a 5% drop in performance running APU only, regularly available new.
By the way, are you using the stock cooler for the Ryzen 5700G APU? Also apparently the APU is 5%/$70 cheaper than the non-G counterpart in the country I live in so I guess it depends on which country the buyer is in.
@@potatoes5829 They aren't that different. The APU has half the L3 Cache. That's the main difference CPU wise. I suppose if you intend to use a discrete graphics card, an APU will be more limited in PCIe connectivity(generation and/or number of lanes).
@@jtenorj A quick google search tells me that the g-series APUs are monolithic design rather than chiplet design. I have also seen some youtube benchmarks which show the 5600g being more comparable to the 5500 (which happens to be an APU with an amputated igpu) rather than the 5600 and 5600x.
Could you show more videos where you pair the athon 3000g with a gpu? For example, 3000g paired with rhe 6400 or 6500xt? Pleeeeeeease, that would be the extreme budget combo, just for the laughs!
Still debating whether or not the system I build for my little nephew should have a 5700g, 5600, or 5700x. Having an igpu as a backup would be nice, but I know the cpu performance is down a good bit down to cut down cache etc. plus, I’d rather have pcie 4.0 to get the most out of the x8 bandwidth of the rx 6600 I’m giving him. I would go intel, but I already had a b550 board sitting around collecting dust. What do you guys think?
Maybe the 5600 and a cheap used backup GPU. The 5600x is still a good chip, and the 5600 is only a smidgen slower but with PCIe 4.0 and all the cache. Unless your nephew intends to use the CPU for more intensive work than games, the 5600 is all you need CPU wise. It should pair quite well with the RX 6600.
Can u test: ati radeon hd 3000 series ( on board graphic card) Its stock 350mhz but i saw someones videos and they did it 973mhz stable and its realy handle some games :D (this chip on am3,am3+ motherboard)
