In this video I share why so many of these Dodge Challenger and Charger Special Edition cars will be ruined by collectors. Follow me on Instagram, Tiktok, and Facebook at OCMotivator
I'm loving my 21 Challenger Scat Pack widebody, had it 3 years this month, just over 18k miles. Black on black fully loaded. Don't need any special sticker packages or badges, it does everything I need and looks incredible. So glad I bought it when I did!
Good one you. Those cars are so intoxicating. I missed my opportunity years ago. Im glad to see people like OC holding these dealers feet to the fire. Perhaps I can finally get my Hellcat without paying BMW M8 Competition prices! Im glad you’re enjoying your car Jeff. Ride the wheels off it!
You have the right mindset and more owners of these cars need to have the same one because those who have the opposite that just treat these as collector cars only and don't enjoy them are toxic to the culture. I'm super happy for you!!!😇
I agree! I fact I said that to a salesman over the phone while trying to negotiate the price on a hellcat. Im betting they even bring back the V8 in challenger/charger.
This is why during Covid airlines were flying planes with only a few passengers. To keep the engine parts of lubricated. Plane are meant to fly just like cars are meant to drive not sit and rot.
The only way to truly preserve an engine is to first drain all oil and fluids and replace with Kerosene. Fill it until there is no air left. This preserves every seal and component. That’s coming from an old Indy car mechanic.
We appreciate for all that you’ve done and TK‘s garage and butter the insider you’re doing the Lords work. These Dodge dealerships brought it on themselves, including the corporation because of greediness, this is going to be their downfall.
Hey OC, I got a last call shakedown widebody, special edition and manual just like your swinger. I am enjoying it. I didn't buy it as a collector, I bought it to drive and enjoy. I am loving it. I already have 1500 miles on it! These cars are meant to be driven and enjoyed. Oh and I got 10k off msrp in March using my dad's employee pricing as well. I had my eyes on that car for 6 months!
Even though i am not in the market for a Challenger due to its cost and my lack of funds, Thank You for showing crooked dealers. Not all are bad, but $200,000+ for a car that's MSRP is half is redonkeylous. Bad for everyone in the long run.
My '23 Chrysler 300C SRT(one of 2000 made)WILL get used for my enjoyment as long as I'm breathing air on this planet. Matter of fact, I'm on a 1500 mile road trip right now with this car and am enjoying driving this badass ride immensely in the process. It turns heads and attracts a crowd at cars & coffee get-togethers, and is nowhere near as risky to own as a Scat Pack or Hellcat, for obvious reasons of theft, insurance, and overall operating costs, not to mention stealership markups. Yes, these speculators who paid stupid $$$ for these "last call" vehicles and think they will appreciate in value, well, they are sadly mistaken IMHO. Let a vehicle sit for 15-20 years and see how much damage it does, especially to brakes, fuel systems, and tires/rubber parts, not to mention ABS plastic that gets like ceramic with age. They will have a very expensive and useless piece of shit when all is said and done. Great video, thanks for sharing this with everyone.
Just took my new 23’ 300C for her first short road trip down in southern VA from MD and love this car more and more. There’s also a Charger HCWB Redeye in my garage back home but I’d much rather drive this car for longer trips and it’s a ridiculously loaded car for the price, which I paid sticker/MSRP and not a penny over. My dealer tried it but I wasn’t budging. I still can’t believe I snatched this beautiful beast off the showroom floor with 14 miles on the odometer. I’ve only seen 2 since January and it drops just as many jaws as my Redeye.
By the time the young kid grows up and gets his Black Ghost Challenger, the seals will be dust and the valve springs will be seized up. Cars don't do well when they aren't used.
I bought a 50 yr old Charger and am taking it apart because just about everything needs to be redone even though it only has 56K miles. I've had the engine rebuilt by an engine specialist, most of the rest of it I can do myself and that is where I get a lot of satisfaction and not have it screwed up by a shop. The good thing about future restorations on new collector Challengers is there will be plenty of parts because there are so many of them. 1st G and 2nd G Chargers have a LOT of one year only parts that can be a b*tch to find if the original can't be restored. 'Cudas are way worse. And expensive. But that's also what makes them valuable. Ultimately it's not low miles, it's not condition (I'm sure you're aware of rusted out Chargers and 'Cudas getting stupid money) it's desirability. I've heard GTX owners complain that their cars aren't worth as much as 2G Chargers even though they made a lot less of them.
In 1996 I purchased my 1987 Iroc-Z with just 31k miles, today 28 years later it has 82k, I used it, it’s still stone stock. But over the last 28 years I would purchase extra parts when GM still offered original parts. Case in point my daily 09 Crown Victoria P71 has 152k, I purchased it in 2017 with 62k and it’s running 100% 👍
Drive these things .. it's how ppl make memories and keep the car in the forefront of lore, not driving s cars and saving it for a future owner is like dating a girl and not sleeping with her just to keep her fresh for the next guy .. naw ..both needs to be driven hard lol
I agree with this video. My 2020 Redeye Widebody, garage-kept with air conditioning, was purchased in 2020 and I've already put 11,000 miles on it. I recently said, "Screw it!" and put $20k into performance mods, and now I enjoy the heck out of it! I'm never going to get back what I put into it, so I might as well enjoy it.
Lots of people are nasty on the net, especially self important people on car forums. Not all people on these forums but the malcontents. You shouldnt be suprised by negativity, there's plenty of it even when you're trying to help someone. Jealousy, suspicion , ego comes in when they want to limelight and think you're taking it. These people are antisocial, ignore them if you can. Internet forums will always have snakes.
Just hit 14k miles on my 2020 hellcat :). The previous owner didn't really drive it but me i like to enjoy my car yes i want it to last but i plan on driving it.
That GM of that dealership who is attacking you Brad is clearly afraid of you and they should be because you're exposing the truth which is the most important thing and we all as your subscribers appreciate your videos!! Thank you as always Brad.😇
I have a 1990 TT Z32 5 sp....siting in the garage with 53K and in the 10 years I have owned it only put on 8K miles. I have invested over 15.00 per mile including purchase price....and guess what it needs new tires from sitting in my garage and not being driven enough. You are spot on with the maintenance and upkeep issues! OC keep bringing the truth to your audience....much appreciated!
I bought an 82 Corvette Collector Edition 5 years ago with only 11,000 miles. Still even had the original tires. Just abut every problem you talked about I had to deal with. Just now got it running like it should! On top of that, whoever bought it new and kept lost money by holding on to it.
If you buy a 40 year old car you have to plan on restoring it, whether it has high or low miles. The fewer the cars that were built the more expensive it will be to restore. By the way, thanks for calling out the rip-off artists at your own expense and peril.
Sounds great. I have an office I want to be a studio too but I do have an echo. Put down carpet. I'm thinking some canvas car photo's or something. Please share what you do.
Hard pill to swallow. But yeah. Although it’s nice to see a time capsule once in awhile at a show or museum, as far as owning one to actually make memories, not so good memories. I’m in the market for an 87 Buick GNX but I balk at the super low mile ones but the high mileage ones have been treated like a cheerleader that got passed around by the football team…..on prom night. Haha. So something in the middle like my 87 GN mostly un molested with 51k and even then I’m just waiting for something stupid to happen on my monthly cruise.
The good thing is that for people like me that want to buy, drive and enjoy one of these Demons or Black Ghost Challengers, the prices are going down, a bit more and I’ll be able to get my dream Hemi coupe, that one day my son will inherit, but with 40-50k miles on the clock.
I can't believe they ran the Challenger so long when there were so many other iconic Mopar muscle cars just begging for an update. The Challenger could have easily been made a Cuda'.
There's another point to bring up, when mentioning the older 'classic cars' and their collector value. A BIG part of the 'collector value' associated with the older classics, are the GREAT MEMORIES associated with those vehicles and THAT particular ERA in American history. If these new 'collector cars' sit in a garage for 20-30 years... They won't have a chance to get any GREAT MEMORIES associated with them. No great memories = No desirability = No REAL collector value. 😕
Loving the videos enjoying my challenger 2017 R/T I thought about trading it for a scatpack but seeing the prices yeah no! Looking at maybe getting a Firebird 🐦🔥
Great video and extremely valuable points you’ve made about the value maintaining. I also think there’s a technology aspect that makes future value even more unpredictable. We are currently in a 5G market with 6G rapidly on the horizon. My 2017 SRT GC is basically a brick when it comes to receiving software updates as it’s still a 4G platform. Newer cars have a ton of features and software that will be obsolete 10-20 years from now with no support. Just my thoughts and opinions. Take care
Yeah, i thought of that as well.But if you look at how many of the older ones are left.I looked for used 75% 2 or more owners .Accidents, frame damage, or thieft.Look at the grand nationals.Alot of people had them.
First off, office looks great 😎. Good option when you aren’t “on location” with one of your videos. Second, this is such important info about older low mileage vehicles. I bought my 2015 Scat Pack one year ago with 25k miles. I drive it all seasons but winter. I bought it to enjoy it. I think my year to mileage ratio was in a good range, as you pointed out.
Just to give you some experience. I am retired from the auto. Industry 40 years and I could tell you now. Just some of the service worked that I've done with 60000 miles on a car. Rubber was already rotting. Swollen soft to the touch where it needed. replacement . Um, you're exactly correct, you will have repairs.. Thks for your researched materials.
This is something that I learned a long time ago when I was 16/17 and the reason why I hate car collectors, cars need to be driven they're not art pieces that can just sit for long periods of time they rot and will ruin. I always laugh when I see Bring a Trailer 10+ year old cars that have delivery miles on them and the bidding is going crazy, you just know that none of those buyers are planning to drive that thing and if they are they're in for a shock. I can't imagine buying something and not ever using it no matter what it is.
Try a large throw rug to kill the echo. Buy a car, drive it. There's better investments. I mean, if you were buying a car to save, instead of a 170, buy an original 'Cuda. that car will keep it's value.
Everybody is forgetting that outside the engine, the 149 is a mass produced cheaply made car. Hell with all the engine issues being reported can't even count on the engine being worth a damn 3 years from now.
I have a 2017 Scat Pack Shaker hood Challenger Green Go all original nothing modified or changed. Had it for 3 years now bought it from a guy who couldn't afford the payments during COVID. Has 1800 original miles on it.
While I’m all for collecting cars to preserve them because they’re awesome, it shouldn’t take away the fact that at the end of the day, it’s still a car. It still needs to be driven to a certain degree, like you mentioned. To just let it sit and rot is kind of a waste of money. Then again, I’m not concerned about the value going up or down, but that’s my two cents.
People don't realize how bad it is to let cars sit for very long periods of time. Even regularly driven cars, something as simply as making sure to run the A/C periodically, so it cycles the freon and lubricant through all the lines. It helps lube all the seals and O-Rings. These Chargers and Challengers (even the Hornets) sitting now for upwards of 2 years, OUTSIDE mind you....is terrible. And no way in hell, are these dealerships starting each and every one of these cars daily/weekly to keep them going.
I have the 5.7 Chally and I'm very happy with it. For me the design alone is super special. All these special models are more for collectors or to make money with. Many greetings
I love my 2020 Dodge Charger Scat Pack low mileage. I don't care if it don't be worth no money. I'll just keep it I have several other cars to drive. My brother still has his GTX So we still have a cars in the family that's worth a lot of money. Eventually all these cars will disappear just like they did back in the 60s and I'll still have mine. You do a great job with your videos. And who cares what they think I was just at the Dodge dealership with my wife getting her charger service. The new car salesman up in the showroom have no clue about cars.
You see this with the corvette market. Old people buy them and hardly drive them, there are lots of them and not worth as much as Camaro of the same gen where young people bought and drove them into the ground.
🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦 so true Brad. I had 1993 mustang Gt convertible with 300 miles still wrapped in plastic. One I decided I wanted to drive it for a change 2 miles down the road the night mare began before I new it 3000 dollars was just so I can move it not even to go on a trip. Long story short. Stay away from garage queens. I am lived it. No good investments. Truth really hurts. Brought back that awful drive. 👍👍👍👍👏👏
You drive home a really good point there OC. Cars are meant to be driven at the very least selectively if nothing else. Here's what I wonder about however, will there be after market parts support for these cars 10-30 years from now? See I'm not so sure there will be. Even if there some of these parts are still available I'm wondering what they will cost years, decades from now? I guess time will tell eventually!
Facts, have a 2007 350Z with 64000 miles, solar orange(500 made). Didn't drive it allot so sat.. Getting brakes redone and all maintenance done, so about $3000 to ensure it is going to perform, hopefully flawlessly. My 69 corvette, yea cheaper to just go buy one then restore it, like you said.
i got my 2019 1ss camaro during the covid time i bought in 2020 got a 7k discount on being a new but not sold car. i love it. i have 26k miles on it now and it gets driven and enjoyed. i paid 35k at the time for it and still has a decent resale value. i didnt buy it not to drive it get rode hard now and again and i get a big grin all of the time
My cautionary tale on speculating with cars is the 1978 Chevrolet Corvette Indy Pace Car edition. People bought those things and stashed them away. Now? They're a dime a dozen. Nobody actually used them.
Restomods are great. They improve things and make a version the factory/designer could only have dreamed of doing back in the day. Its a shame the black ghosts and other limited editions will not have lives lived on the roads like they should have. Probably only the new one owned by the son of the original black ghost owner/driver will see a life on the street.
I got a 2016 Challenger Hellcat I got about 6 years ago I drive the hell of it. I got about 120 thousand miles on it and I am going to keep driving it.
Another thing is when a majority of the cars are stored and not driven. People don’t have fond memories of owning one, knowing someone who had one, or seeing them in use. I know I get nostalgic when I see an old Pontiac like my mom had, than the rarest Porsche or Lamborghini.
I have a 2013 gt500 4000 miles perfect shape but on jack stands race gas no ethanol fuel while it sits real important start it every 5 months and in garage in Arizona
