I find it kind of interesting that Kabuto was always compared to Kakashi in part 1, the copy ninja. Then Kabuto later on takes a bunch of other shinobi's abilities for his own, almost like a dark mirror version of that idea
I agree, even their backstories. Kakashi spent his whole childhood dealing with the idea of having loyalty to your friends or the mission given. It formed his whole morality. Kabuto on the other hand went to opposite way, always being a double, triple, quadruple agent having a dubious agenda and loyalty with no real identity formed how he was. It shows the branching path when directly doing dirty shinobi work. Sorry for the essay.
She can maybe trick him into getting hand to hand, let him get a critical wound then activate her forehead special jutsu and take him down while he's in her hands (maybe😅)
@@alexeiharp7676 If Kabuto was a less intelligent person I'd buy it, but he knows any punch from her is actually a threat so liquification would always be on the table.
@@if7723 that's right but does liquification work in every possible case? Kishimoto didn't elaborate much on that (not a fan of it tbh too much of a hax) I'm hoping for conditions like any jutsu but if there are none then you're right
@alexeiharp7676 I mean we don't see any from Suigetsu outside of lighting releases and the 8 tails. He just seems to have it as an effect all the time.
Glad Kabuto is getting shown some love! His story getting fleshed out in the war arc was one of the more satisfying parts of the arc. I don't see the guy get enough credit for how much he really did
People sleep on Kabuto with dragon sage mode. I say dragon because snake sage mode is kinda basic, but he called himself a dragon sage. He called himself a dragon because he considered himself above a snake sage
@@dimitrilitovsk2372 How would Sage Mode Kabuto fair against the following: - War Arc/Boruto Era Orochimaru - Alive/Healthy Nagato - Alive Minato - 14 year Obito w/kurama (Kabuto can use Edo Tensei)
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 I'm no power scaling expert but I say the only one on that list that Kabuto can have a chance against is kid Obito. Kid Obito didn't have mastery over kamui like he did later in life, and Minato clapped kid Obito so if Kabuto can stand toe to toe with kid Obito than no shot minato loses, unless Kabuto has edos, if Minato can't just kill Kabuto and needs to release the edo he would probably need to summon ma and pa toads bc I don't think Minato has been shown to use genjutsu
@FriendlyelDeidara also had to be a weasel and drop his strongest regular Bomb on the village to distract Gaara, imagine if Deidara just dropped a village nuker on Sasuke at the start lol
W vid. My boy stay hyping up the underrated Sage Dragon Kabuto. Thumbnail is heat. What's even crazier about the Tandem Paper Bombs is that the Deity Gates that tanked the Juubi Bomb were actually completely separate from the one Tobirama destroyed, and it was far bigger than the previous ones. I also think it can be argued that Tobirama can use a Shadow Clone + Tandem Paper Bomb combination, because the databook confirms Tandem Paper Bombs are not Edo Tensei-exclusive. However I'd also say its very much a fan fueled concept and I wouldn't blame anyone for not buying it as an in-character strategy.
Tobirama only said he explicitly made Tandem Paper Bomb for edo tensei most likely due to the fact they keep regenerating and thus it can be continuous for a good amount of time where as with shadow clone it's a one time chain reaction use
@@emssasukeisunderrated7946 The paper bomb technique is one of TOBIRAMA specialty, even Hiruzen confirm that. So whether clone or no clone, he can quickly summon a body and teleport away to prevent harm. 👍
I think Tandem Paper Bomb was only used on stationary targets. It starts off with a few papers floating through the air. It should be easy to dodge for someone like Kabuto. Non-stationary targets get pushed back by the blast so they only take a fraction of the full power of the blast anyway. In canon knowledge, Kabuto probably knows almost everything about Tobirama, but Tobirama has 0 knowledge of Kabuto. Kabuto already has knowledge to counter it, meaning in most scenarios, Tobirama will be unlikely to pull it off. That gives one wincon for Tobirama that's hard to accomplish, meanwhile Kabuto has more than one wincon. The numbers heavily favour Kabuto. Also you don't need eyes to activate Susanoo, so Sasuke just wasn't fast enough to react.
Why everyone still bringing the fact that Kabuto wears glasses? He only keeps them as a memory about his mother, the only person he really loved. I think even if Kabuto'd became 10 tails jinchuriki he'd still wear glasses. Maybe people'd be more satisfied if Kabuto kept glasses in his pocket not wearing them. Or I miss something?
Yeah exactly means nothing it's a character thing, it’s meant to point out the hypocrisy of his character that being he claims to be perfect yet requires glasses. It also adds to his theme of wanting to become somebody and consistently adding to himself to become someone which is a mirror to Obito’s I don’t want to be anyone.
Love you guys, great video and all and I know this was a minor point in the video but people use it all the time to downscale the second… there’s a huge difference between respect and fear… Hashirama was Tobiramas, big brother, war commander, and hokage. He’s a man of duty so of course he’ll listen to Hashi when he tells him to calm down. He didn’t even look scared in the slightest if anything he looked annoyed, and it the same scene he tells Hashi to shut up multiple times. If you’re about to get in a fight and you calm down cuz your mom tells you to does that mean she can speed blitz and one shot you? No you just respect her and you naturally listen to an older family member.
Yeah I generally view it as just Tobirama being below Hashirama which is pretty clear, but it is an older sibling type of thing. Hashirama still refers to Tobirama for so much
@@ThunderGodTG I know y’all fuck with Tobirama heavy too so I wasn’t taking it to seriously but some try to dismiss his while character because of it. Much love though man you been running it up with this features lately keep it up ✊🏽
I agree with you, Tobirama and Hashirama were pretty close in power, same with Izuna and Madara. The thing is, Hashirama has the haxy wood style that can suppress chakra but Tobirama has the intellect to compare to him. He definitely wasn't scared of Hasirama. It's more about respect.
Kabuto is like…an objective mirror into Itachi as a character. I wouldn’t even call him a foil since he doesn’t actually contrast Itachi, in fact Itachi is a far worse and pathetic person than Kabuto is but it seems like the reverse because Kabuto says the quiet part out loud . Both are essentially just representations of the evils the Shinobi system inflicts on people, but like Orochimaru Kabuto is self aware because he’s not loyal to the village system. Some of my favorite character writing comes from that little mini arc where Sasuke and Itachi have to team up.
Kabuto was able to put ITACHI into a GEJUTSU so powerful that Sasuke needs to break him out of it. It’s GG for everyone except Hashirama. He doesn’t need better physical stats
28:15 this isn't true. Minato stated that the nine tails chakra was too heavy for he, himself, as the sealed host to handle more than half of said chakra, not that sealing the entire ninetails was a difficult task. Also, Kushina confirmed in the manga that Minato knows more sealing jutsu that would be just as effective against the ninetails as the reaper death seal. He only used it because he wanted to split the ninetails. Also, in the data books the reaper death seal only allows you to seal what you're chakra at the moment can handle, which means Minato after the Obito fight had enough chakra to seal away the entire nine tails, one in him and the other in Naruto.
This is actually a fair point, as far as remaining sealing jutsu IMO I just didn't want to give him a slide based on jutsu we haven't seen. I'll have to double check on the other stuff noted, but realistically it doesn't change much about the matchup unless you say Minato has other sealing we haven't seen > than reaper. I do agree though that the reaper seal was done purposely for Naruto to use that power against Obito.
About the “reaper death seal allows what chakra you can handle” idk about that l, where can I find that? It’s probably referring to how you have to pull the soul out in tug of war type thing, not the chakra amount
I get your point, I really do. However, sealing jutsu's can be resisted if the opponent has enough power, orochimaru was resisting hiruzen for a while, Naruto & Bee broke out of the multi layered barriers, etc. Also, where would MINATO seal kabuto? 👍
@@CastleOfAvalon I understand, but I think you forgot that kishimooto don't use female characters like he uses males. It was kushina that held down kurama using her UNIQUE SEALING JUTSU, that MINATO can't use 👍. But yet, people only ever talk about minato. Kurama is too much for MINATO. MINATO really is powerful, but he can't beat nine tails on his own. 👍
No. Minato said the chakra is massive bc it obviously is, but that does not mean he could not handle it. He split it up SOLELY for Naruto and the Leafs sake bc he wanted the Leaf to still have it as an asset and he knew sealing the FULL thing into Naruto would be too much for a newborn baby to handle. He says this
We do not know if he could have taken the whole thing into himself, it’s fair enough to argue that I will admit, but doesn’t change too much. I would have re worded that part though if I did re do the video
Kabuto already showed how easy it is to navigate around mokuton user. Hashi's gates are useless if the opponent is moving, they're no factor at all. Kabuto senses everything even if Hashi would use gates Kabuto would just move out of the way or simply liquefy to move out. So Rashamon Gates are useless against Kabuto. How would Hashi deal with light sound attack? This is how Kabuto will surely start the fight. Hashi will play defensive an loose initiative. He won't be able to enter sage mode, he will try to shield himself with wood but the sound would still mess him up. Next Kabuto could use Tayuya genjutsu, what's Hashi's answer for that? Kabuto could also slice him up with chakra blade, if Tsunade couldn't regenerate from that Hashi won't as well, he is not Orochimaru, Kabuto is. Hashi is good when it comes down to open battles with giant opponents or someone vastly weaker than himself but against tricky one or someone who's obviously stronger than he is he didn't do anything remotely impressive. Hashi technics are physical, he can't simply harm a liquefied opponent that could sense where they come from. It's a bad match for Hashi.
@@ThunderGodTG mostly the Minato one, I think Ay's perspective on Minato should mostly relate to Jonin Minato during the war and that Hokage Minato should be a good bit faster than that, also I'll admit I might not have heard everything you said cuz I was working on something else but did y'all mention any of his sealing jutsu other than the RDS? I think Kabuto could certainly make it annoying, but Minato should clear this with a speed advantage and sealing hax, but y'all were making it sound like Minato didn't have anything for him
@@littleotaku8353Yep you probably didn't hear carefully. I mean even if you didn't it's pretty obvious that Minato's offencive jutsus are lackluster against someone who has such op regen hax like Kabuto. Minato probably improved his speed after that but there is no proof if he did and if he did we dk by how much. Base Bee reacted to him perfectly. SM Kabuto's reaction speed and perception are op and obviously much better than Bee's. So I believe that after a few futile attempts to damage Kabuto, Kabuto will catch Minato. Minato has no way to put him down. Kabuto's SM White Rage + SM amped Tayuya's genjutsu will easily end the fight saving Kabuto the trouble of catching Minato mid attack.
@@dmob39 He'd be biased then. I preferred to think he's trying to be realistic. How do you not agree with the fact that a simple kunai attack or a rasengan are no danger against SM Kabuto? Itachi's Totsuka strike which is much more powerful than a rasengan made Orochimaru laugh and he called it a puny attack, so if not for Totsuka's sealing properties it'd be no danger to Orochimaru. He got sliced in half by 4 tails Naruto and reattached himself and can use Oral Rebirth if he's heavily damaged. Kabuto has Oro's regen, but he also has Karin's regen and Sage Mode stats buff which is HUGE. Minato would simply get destroyed as I said in my previous comment.
How would you interpret the feat? My point was that I think cutting the 8 tails tail is a slippery slope and not the best of showings for AP but, I’m curious to hear your take
@@ThunderGodTG we don't know how much force was shot out through obitos kamui ejection . So using that as a downplay to bees tails durability is a little off.
We’ve seen fatigued MS sasuke also cut through the tentacles with raiton. Kage level feat for sure, but it shouldn’t be compared to bee resisting a juubi bomb which is 6th paths level ap
Very first time someone didn’t wank minato in a video. I’m subscribing. I actually think minato is better than what you guys said but not as good as everyone else makes him out to be.
Yeah I actually had a bit more in there, especially since the statements for minato are more than likely just combat speed but, I feel like Base Minato is pretty clear on where he is on the Food Chain
@@ThunderGodTG why do you men when you say the statements around minato speed is juat based on him in combat, but that his reaction time is way above that?or?
Yeah like it’s not taking into account Flying Rajin, Body Flicker, or Reaction speed. These fighters are only really compared to Minato while stacking body flicker with these chakra cloaks, which I also think is telling.
First time i watched the show i was certain I’d gotten a “secret good guy” vibe from Kabuto, so everytime i saw him show up right up until sasuke absorbed Orochimaru, i kept expecting him to flip sides. “Alright NOW’s the moment we learn Kabuto is a double agent planted by Jirayia to spy on Orochimaru.” Never came, dude just became a snake. And then an orphanage director ig. (Him and Orochimaru may be war-criminals and all, but so is Sasuké and he’s been a huge help fighting the alien gods that keep attacking, maybe let two of the most talented ninja ever get some licks in.) Also, FUCK, Itachi’s izanagi genjutsu loop thing is so effective he legit turned a warmongering science experiment/ child soldier, into a caregiver for orphaned children. Sharingan are freaking magic dude.
Poor scaling, nonsensical feats and anti-feats abound. Yea..... the absurdity on this one is... full force. Minato is at worst 50/50. Considered a Sealing Jutsu Prodigy, the undisputed fasted shinobi pre Otosuki level characters. Even without his flying raijin, he was the worlds best body flicker user as well. In fact, when speaking of KCM1 Naruto's speed, the raikage was comparing it to Minato's bodyflicker, not his Flying Raijin. Finally Kabuto blocking his seals for flying raijin is also dependant on him even knowing they are there. Considering these could even go undetected by 10 tail's jinchurriki, it's at least reasonable to say he might be able to slip a couple past Kabuto. I'm not saying he defiantly could, just that it's not nearly as 1 sided as you tried to make it seem. Also, whats up with the mindlessly downplaying the clearly narratively intended speed feat of Sarutobi arriving before Tobirama? Do you not hear yourselves talk when you make these kinds of claims, or do you truly just care about any form of actual narrative analysis? Like, are you just smoking a bunch of pot before these things or something? Genuinely the shit you sometimes say baffles me on levels I can't fully express.
I disagree HEAVILY with what's said in this comment especially the Hiruzen bit, but agree to disagree, also I've seen you before on the channel why do you comment if you clearly don't agree or like my stuff
@@ThunderGodTG Wouldn't want to steer too far from the echo chamber I suppose. In answer to your stuff, I agree with, 80- 90% of what you say normally. This and the one other video In commented on stood out as particularly biased to me. My thought was that you debate power scaling in naruto, but it seems like I was mistaken. When presented with opposing viewpoints you simply say you disagree without attempting to provide evidence and then slink away. Like you said this isn't the first time we've interacted in a similar fashion. This would suggest your into power scaling, but only within an echo chamber that reinforces your own positions. I mean, if that's ultimately what you want to do with your content, you can, just seems like a waist to me. Guess it just comes off to me less like power scaling (I'm using this word in a very general sense) and more like a fanfic circlejerk. Just seems like in the end you'll end up with less and less accurate content this way, which could be potentially detrimental for the longevity of your channels content. But like you said initially, agree to disagree I suppose. PS: If its any consolation, I have nothing against you, so much as a desire to give honest criticism. Admittedly though that does often come at the cost of being nice, which I could make a better attempt at doing
Nah you're good you have to understand from my position I can't sit down and have paragraph wars in comments, especially when the vids start blowing up. It's not personal in any capacity I just disagree with you but, value my time enough to not just debate a random individual in the comments as it just isn't a constructive use of my time. I can fully handle honest criticism, but I generally try to save everyone's time me and the commenters since it's neigh impossible to come to a complete understanding. I gain nothing from convincing you of anything in all reality, nor are you a regular on the channel to where I'd even be willing to do so. I could even offer to debate you on discord but, judging from your takes and attitude I just have nothing to gain so we can just leave it at that.
@@ThunderGodTG look at that two adults talking about things, they disagree, yet they dont have to shit on each other name they can just agree to disagree and come to a consensus and move on without trying to disrespecting one another, like real men( and maybe women😂) i love to see it. Hey TG you stream yesterday i did not get to watch it.
I honestly think Kakashi gets absolutely man-handled by Sage Kabuto. Plus, idk, I think Hashirama is gunna have a tough time. Hashirama hasn’t been shown to be immensely fast. He has Sage mode so that makes him comparable to any other sage, but Sage Kabuto has been shown to dodge things that are faster than anything Hashirama has. Plus getting smashed by any wooden constructs doesn’t really affect Kabuto here. He can either liquify his body, simply Karin heal through it, or both. Not saying Hashirama loses. But saying Hashirama takes this no diff is a little off.
Don't forget that Kabuto still has the option to move to the underworld if he senses danger and wants to escape, and also if he wants to surprise his opponent.❤
@@ZaharJudah Why would that not happen? They used the Hiruzen's reaper death seal as a wincon and Minato is way faster than him, signifigantly smarter, and way better at sealing jutsu.
24:04 lets not forget that minato didn't give Naruto an equal half because he knew Naruto couldn't handle the full half. So the half that Minato has is a greater portion of kuramas chakra
My OC is Hokage level but just wanders freely around villages expanding knowledge about philosophy. He beat Sage Mode Kabuto pretty easily. Hand-to-hand and overpowered with his fiberglass kekkei genkai.
For that last match-up (Kabuto with his Edo Army), imagine what would happen if Yagara used the Water Mirror and then Hashirama has to fight a clone of himself AND Edo Madara
Subbed this week and have been loving your channel man. I hope you keep up the good work man, you’re gonna keep growing quickly at this pace! Much love bro!
Kabuto has his Liquification technique which is enough for me to make him one of the strongest characters in the naruto verse instantly. I said ONE OF, not THE strongest - remember. It's like a different version of obitos intangibility just minus the dumb "oh but there's actually one character that can hurt you which is your friend from 30 years ago!" bullshit.
@coatguy2990 How would Sage Mode Kabuto fair against the following: - War Arc/Boruto Era Orochimaru - Killer Bee - War Arc Gaara - Alive/Healthy Nagato - Alive Minato - 14 year Obito w/kurama (Kabuto can use Edo Tensei)
People think hiruzen blitz TOBIRAMA and got to Naruto faster. That's not the case, TOBIRAMA was being careful and he was hesitant about making contact with the trees. He even used a long range jutsu, but where was hiruzen then, when he was slicing the trees? TOBIRAMA hesititated, however hiruzen took the risk. 👍
@@ThunderGodTG It's not really about where hiruzen was, TOBIRAMA was literally hesitating about getting near the god tree. That is why he used a long range water jutsu first. But I get your point too. 👍
Hashirama stopped pouring chakra into the Deity gates that tandem paper bombs destroyed, I have never understood why people scale TPB to the full power Deity gates
Yeah, I mean SM clearly did help like a super effective Pokemon move, along with the fact Obito doesn't really care about the damage, just means it was an effective counter along with a surprise attack on his back, all culminating in a gash on his back.
VS Battle ideas some of us would like to see: •Itachi Vs Killer Bee & KCM 1 Naruto •Seven Ninja Swordsman Vs Team 10 •Sannin Vs Raikage, Killer Bee, & Darui •Darui Vs Diedara •Sannin Vs Edo Kage (Mu, Rasa, 2nd Mizukage, and third Raikage) •Edo Kage Vs Konoha 10 (NO Naruto and sasuke) •War arc Gaara Vs Tobirama •EMS Sasuke that fought Kabuto Vs KCM 1 Naruto •Akatsuki Duos Vs Killer Bee and 4th Raikage
•Itachi and Sasuke Vs White mask Obito (with and without his 6 tailed beast) •Minato Vs White Mask Obito •Minato Vs 5 Kage (same ones that faced Madara) •White Mask Obito Vs 5 Kage
Imo 1) MS Itachi clears 2) Butterfly choji probably gives them the W but there’s other factors 3) This is interesting, BM Bee probably wins 4) Darui has very fast guided lightning beams to target Deidara on his bird 5) Edo Kage roll 6) probably Edo Kage because of Gengetsu’s genjutsu 7) Tobirama but Gaara is very strong 8) that EMS Sasuke got no amps between that and when he was relative to MKCM Naruto so he bulldozes 9) Great topic idea, Hidan & Kakuzu get bulldozed, Deidara slows down Sasori, Pain & Konan win, Kisame & Itachi bully
The first fight we already saw we know naruto was fatigued but honestly itachi might not be haster than naruto, but i still think itachi got that. Going off memory here but sannin vs edo kage im gonna give it to the sannin since orochimaru can defuse the edo, jiraiya can seal things and tsunade can heal them up for long enough for them to get a strategy, and the sannin when working together to get a 3 times amp or something of the sort, so yeah that as well. Edo kage vs konoha 11 no naruto or sasuke, it depends on what you think of sakura if she pulls out the hundred healing or no, i think shino is underrated but at best he is able to sneak some bugs by rasa but big if that, i do think if shikamaru is allowed to strategise a little, konoha 11 might get a few wins, but i still rock with the edo kage winning more fights, but butterfly choji and hundred heals sakura is crazy combination, also ino mind transfer might come clutch in this fight imagine if she swap minds with muu and just start beating on gengetsu, but yeah i do the the edos win more often than not they scale too high
I be telling people TG and Satori are goats. Before I peep this vid Imo Kabuto beats Tsunade and Hiruzen low-mid diff cause Kabuto~Itachi and Itachi>Orochimaru>~Hiruzen and Tsunade. Base Minato is one where I could be convinced Kabuto loses but I think Kabuto wins since Kabuto~Itachi>KCM1 Naruto~ Base Minato. Kabuto prolly beats Tobirama as well since Minato>=Tobirama KCM Minato slams since he should scale to MKCM2 Naruto who is above a stronger EMS Sasuke than the one who did decent vs Kabuto. Hokage Kakashi is questionable but if he has better stats than his 1ms war arc self he should win. Obviously Hashirama and Naruto slam since Hashirama in base is comparable to MKCM2 Naruto who is way stronger than Kabuto fight Sasuke.
@MZOver How would Sage Mode Kabuto fair against the following: - War Arc/Boruto Era Orochimaru - Killer Bee - War Arc Gaara - Alive/Healthy Nagato - Alive Minato - 14 year Obito w/kurama (Kabuto can use Edo Tensei)
@@Seasonal-Shadow_4674 okay lets see, war arc oro is debatable, boruto era stomps killer bee is a low diff win for kabuto war arc gaara is mid diff for kabuto nagato is high diff for kabuto kabuto negs really?
Oh satori is here, we know minato about to get shitted on and tobirama gonna get hype through the roof, cant wait though honestly i wanna see these guys takes on this
@@ohboi9578 justified? He relegated minato to below raikage level fodder and said tobirama is way faster than kcm2 naruto, something does not make sense for that
@@momotheone9700 I know right, 😢 barely made it here. I'm not saying these things to make anyone feel bad, ok 👍. I need to work on my reaction time and speed. There are actual statements & performances that puts me at raikage or kcm 1 Naruto in speed. But I wish I had great combat & reaction speed like TOBIRAMA or madara or Hashirama. But I guess my body flicker is better than the rest. But still, I always need & depend on the FTG. Why is that so? But honestly, I don't see madara, or Hashirama, needing FTG to beat younger obito, or nine tails. I mean, they can't use FTG. So how will they beat them? I know, with really really really great reaction and combat speed. No offense👍. I'm not trying to make you feel bad. Ok. It's just for fun. Feel free to respond or don't. 👍🫡
@@ZaharJudah why he because he was faster than nerfed Minato? Also they said in this video the body flicker should be faster than normal speed and it’s usable in combat so your point doesn’t make sense. If he’s faster body flicker he’s faster.
@@ZaharJudah No he doesn't, Minato has more techniques with flying raijin and was only out-speed in reaction time while he was in his daze, this is well known Minato info at this point.
@@ThunderGodTGnah no worries, I was thinking muzan Kibutsuji has a chance but Shippuden slaps demon slayer like it's a joke. Just keep up the good work, also six on a Livestream said he agrees with your takes so you can probably Collab with him. Thanks for being the most chill Naruto RU-vidr
Minato can seal things into objects. He didn’t have to use the reaper death seal for kurama, he chose to. He said the chakra was too big to seal into an infant, not too much power to seal. Because he apparently seals both halfs..
kabuto was already strong in part 1 if he had the curse mark during then he definitely would have beaten Orochimaru no wonder why he didn't give him the curse mark he would have capitalized on it making him a bigger threat then he already was and let's be real here kabuto by himself probably would have made a sudo version of the curse mark by himself without Orochimaru that how much of a genius he is. I personally think that the only reason why he stayed for Orochimaruu for so long was so he had a purpose of living otherwise kabuto would have left him a long time ago.
I hope I can see three different videos. Menma Vs the Akatsuki how it would actually go down. Edo Minato and Edo Itachi Vs Juubi Obito Vergil Vs The Naruto Universe
let me preface this by saying i may very well be wrong, but one nitpick, at 26:30 u say "if the raikage can mark every location that Minato thows a kunai" reffering to the fact if the 4th Raikage can do it than so could Kabuto when iirc the 4th raikage only states he has made note of MOST of the locations which is far from all
Hey bro bro I might be wrong on the exact releasing but I believe the one shot was realeased shortly AFTER this video. So does that change your thoughts on base Minanto here? I feel like it would help with AP but the battle still comes down to Kabuto hydrofication and healing I guess huh? Just wondering if your stance on it changes at all?
Bro love to hear!! I figured it would maybe in a short you could revisit it? Idk probly not enough reward to make the video lol I hate how the retcon essentially nerded Minato so the one shot was super dope definitely next hest character with the Mr Worldwide himself: Kakashi Hatake. He’s your favorite characters favorite character
I’m sorry, was one of your arguments “we don’t know if he can resist being soul pulled or not” about kurama and then say he could in another situation, a situation when he was objectively weaker
I actually think Kabuto's sage mode regeneration is a bit overblown because nature energy must be mixed with physical snd spiritual energy to be balanced out. At some point, Kabuto will run out of his own spiritual and physical energy, rendering his ability to absorb nature energy useless (unless he wants to die.)
Minato throws kunai all over the battlefield Kabuto uses sage art inorganic reanimation and submerges all his kunai underground Minato: fuck 26:04 oh lmao you mentioned that
You're forgetting something about Minato. His AP doesn't really matter since he is very good at sealing jutsu, the Uzumaki ones in particular, not just the Shiki Fujin. He can probably hit Kabuto with FTG and then puit a seal on him like it's required to beat an Edo Tensei, at least something to restrict Kabuto's movements (which Iruka of all people is capable of), or prevent him from molding chakra.
@@momotheone9700 How would Sage Mode Kabuto fair against the following: - War Arc/Boruto Era Orochimaru - Killer Bee - War Arc Gaara - Alive/Healthy Nagato - Alive Minato - 14 year Obito w/kurama (Kabuto can use Edo Tensei)
Hashirama vs sage Kabuto is interesting, because if hashirama needs to release the edos then hes done for. Hashirama hasnt been shown to use any genjutsu
I wonder if Tobirma has an edo version of Madara brother remember he had his blood on his sword 😱. Also let's not forget Kakashi can unlock the gate so maybe he punched Obito with one of the gates open
i'm glad you guys took his infinite explosions when discussin his alive version many people ignore this justsu and the edo tensei just bc we don't know who he was able to summon. But even if the edo he has are as strong as kid konohamaru, tobirama could make the edo explode and teleport you right infront of the explosion, i believe he could pull this off with kabuto, and as you guys said it requires a bit more prep, yes.
Satori "I mean there's like 5 statements saying Minato is KCM1 or Raikage speed" Also Satori "I think Tobirama is above kcm2 speed, and I mean by like alot" Lol what?
@@ThunderGodTG that's good, my man, like cherry picked the worst statements for Minato and the best for tobirama... and ignored Minato is supposed to be the faster one. I'd be down if he just said they were both kcm 2 level and relative or something. But to imply Tobirama is like substantially faster?
Yeah Minato who is also Dazed it just isn’t indicative to his full speed. Like I have no qualms with people going back and forth about Base Minato and Tobi, but Kyuubi is beyond no question imo
@@ThunderGodTG agreed Kyuubi is no question. Or sage. Base to base? You can argue they're relative or either one is slightly stronger/faster... but tobirama substantially faster I'm like no.
Lol 😂 wild stuff! Also on top of that. If anything Tobirama teleportation is the only thing faster because it’s teleportation. He is at best KCM1 /Raikage speed around there and slower than base Minato.
15:25 It really isn't weird to think that it is harder to maintain a jutsu then it is to activate it. Chakra is mental and physical. Try concentrating on something for an extended period of time, gets a bit harder the longer it goes on, right? Your mind starts to wander away from whatever task you were doing. Pick up a cup and raise it in front of you, now hold it there for a while, gets harder the longer you hold it out there, right? Your muscles get fatigued staying in this extended position. And discounting the other argument that Itachi can hold it better because he is an edo, we could instead attribute it to him having probably much more time getting used to his Susanoo, probably years of knowing what it feels like (not necessarily years of being in the Susanoo, obviously, just more times it has been activated, likely turned it on years prior to his fight with Sasuke), whereas Sasuke has had his for like a week at this point and it's his second time turning it on. As we repeat a task more and more, we get used to the feeling. It becomes easier to maintain the baseline level of concentration/endurance required to do a task, e.g. we can go on autopilot for it.
Kabuto bodies all of them 1) tsunade kabuto uses sound genjutsu 2) minato: kabuto uses orochimaru white snake poison emissions to paralyze minato and tobirama 3) hiruzen kabuto stamina would outlast hiruzen 4) kyuubi minato: minato wins here but kabuto is faster since he was able to dodge sasuke susano arrow this same sasuke was able to move faster than kyuubi minato to save naruto from juubito. 5) hashirama: this is probably a closet matchup. similar stamina, kabuto is faster while hashirama is stronger both have techniques that could oneshot the other. kabuto has poision that nullifies hashirama cells and hashirama has a seal that targets sage jutsu users. im leaning with kabuto since he his smarter but it could go either way.
@@z.e.d4037 because he faster than sasuke fastest attack the "susano arrow" and considering unstable juubito was able to blitz hashirama and move faster than kcm minato and saved naruto from juubito. compared to hashirama kabuto has a better speed scaling chain.
Im just gonna throw this rant here for anyone who might care, but I really dislike Sage Kabuto's design. Kabuto is great, one of my favourite characters in Naruto actually, definitely underrated too. From the start of series he always had this witty cunning about him, in a sense he was the only real ninja in the story and even after he loses all purpose and decides to just imitate orochimaru, his white snake design looks really cool together with his new robe, but I just cant get over how STUPID Kabuto looks when fighting Sasuke and Itachi. The white snake that looked like a tail till now actually grows from his stomach?! and whenever he wants to use any of the sound 4 powers he just grows that person... also from his stomach?! What? Why cant he just use the power himself since he has their DNA anyway, the snake growing from his belly and being wrapped around is definitely unorthodox, but that I could get over, but why does he grow and entire person? Looks dumb, is dumb I dont like it. Make Kabuto cool again.
Kabuto’s design is a pretty sensible evolution of the designs Kishimoto has always been running with for the sound village: A guy with 6 arms, a two headed conjoined twin, Orochimaru vomiting his own body up and standing inside his empty skin, Kabuto growing a flesh puppet to use his powers is just the culmination of that body horror. Only thing I didn’t like about his design was that Obito didn’t give him an Akatsuki cloak to replace that lame snake hood.
Correct me if I am wrong, but was it not like that Minato went into sage mode without gathering nature energy like naruto does for longer periods of time? If I remember correctly, Minato just entered sage mode just like that. Which would explain why it lasted only a few seconds.
@@dimitrilitovsk2372 like I said, I assume because he didn't gather nature energy like naruto does, he was only able to activate sage mode for one move. Quickly gathering a minimal amount of nature energy to enter sage mode is quite something if you ask me.
We have no idea how long he was gathering nature energy it’s never shown but, even if you give it to him he just can’t maintain it for long even Kakashi notes it just isn’t good
@@ThunderGodTG or Was there any point, time or place where he could have done that. Me personally, I don't think so. Seemed and looked like he never did, just absorbed some mid battle. Which I assume is very ineffective. Statements of characters are good and nice, and it is maybe true, but that practicular moment you pointed out seems not to be a generell bad control over sage mode. Can be false, yes.
orochimaru in hydra form vs itachi counts as being caught off guard fr. that hydra is honestly one of the craziest large forms in the anime and it sucks we have no idea what it does cuz itachi used that bullshit sword but whatever
Interesting no one could make the call for Unstable juubito during those feats till long after. He only show the signs of instability when he started to shift in shape. Now people want to wind it back till the beginning, when there's no evidence of it.
He actually is regularly unstable throughout. Even his TSO orbs don’t have Yin/Yang release implemented, there are ways to upscale that Juubito like chapter statements and such but, you ain’t say alla dat
How do you feel about Minato using a giant rasengan (maybe sage enhanced) and just obliterate Kabuto? Like Jiraya does to the one pain body. Then wouldn’t the regen not matter?
Kabuto would take damage by Tobirama's paper bombs but Oral Rebirth will be an easy counter for it. Hokage Kakashi isn't really a danger to him either. His best jutsu is purple lighting which wouldn't be a problem for Kabuto's regen. Sure Kakashi got a bit faster but his reaction speed and perception are worse now cause he doesn't have sharingan. That's why instead of Raikiri he uses purple lighting. We know KCM Naruto was faster than SM Naruto but he switched from KCM to SM to counter 3rd Raikage's attack. Kabuto with his heavily amped reaction speed and perception and overall stats wouldn't have much difficulty to react and counter Kakashi's attacks imo.
I understand, I really do, however kabuto and Itachi were moving on par with each other. This Edo Itachi was earlier moving on par with a possibly fatigued kcm 1 Naruto. Alive TOBIRAMA is madara & hashi levels of speed. But is faster than them with FTG. So what's your point? 👍
U sure those paper bombs could destroy a deity gate and kakashi not having the sharingan doesn't mean his perpecetion , if his stronger than in the war arc his perception speed had improved past the war arc , the sharingan just boost the perception speed u already have.
@@arinzechukwuonyekwuluje2218 I know kakashi got better after the war. But kakashi always lacked power, minato was really young and had more power than kakashi. I'm sure kakashi is better now at some things, like speed, know more jutsus, etc. But he lacks power, when compared to characters like TOBIRAMA, minato, tsunade, etc, all these have more chakra/power than kakashi. Kakashi is my top 5 favourite character. 👍
@@kelvinallen9327 I had forgotten it was stated in the novels that kakashi took a huge leap in chakra bc lack of the sharingan, it was stated that he could casually make a 2 or 3 mile tale earth wall and with his chakra create a thunderstorm big enough to absolutely shock 3rd tsuchikage (onoki) with amount of power he was producing the person who was biggest treat amount the hokage , defeat an ice user who defeated the 4th raikage, u guys understimate how much of a drain the sharingan took on his chakra reserves. and if u what to use Tsunade Madara feats , it was implied that Madara held back massively bc Tsunade was able to crack his ribcage but when he fought Naruto and he was more serious he was able to block his attack with the blue aura of his susanno, no rib cage , just the aura , so scaling her to Madara rib cage is weird while kakashi was able to inflict damage on Obito who was able to tank damage from rasengan of kcm Naruto of guard and later fight alongside kcm Minato later in the war , so????
@@arinzechukwuonyekwuluje2218 I understand, and I would not and I am not pulling kakashi down. He is in my top 5 favourite Naruto characters of all time. Also, if kishimooto were to increase kakashi's chakra too much, then it would seem very unrealistic. I don't doubt that his chakra increased, but base on his rate of chakra development since as a child, kakashi's chakra reserve was never very impressive. But his skills were always great, and got even better. I like him as a character, and I wanted him to be much stronger in the series, with or without his sharingan. So kishimooto needs to be careful about how much chakra he will give kakashi now, especially considering that kakashi's chakra was not too impressive. 👍
I mean there's no way base Minato loses unless he instantly gets caught in genjutsu. He's like the perfect counter to Kabuto in that he can leave the cave whenever he wants instantly, take Kabuto out of there once he touches him etc.
I think the tandem paper bomb argument is a little flimsy. just because Obito blocked it doesn't mean it would have hurt him for example if someone throws a ping-pong ball at me my instinct is to block it but if I don't block it the ball isn't going to hurt me. we just don't really see what the paper bombs can actually do so it's hard to argue that they could take Kabuto down purely because it was Obito's instinct to block it but that's always the issue with all the hokage other then Tsunade and Hashirama we don't see them do enough to really be able to scale them accurately. the fact that people genuinely try and argue that prime hiruzen is the strongest hokage just shows that we don't know enough of what they are capable of.
The Minato downplay is crazy. This video made some good points. Kabuto is insane in Sage mode and he honestly just had a bad match up going against 2 of the top 4 strongest Uchihas. It was a losing battle Kabuto is above kage no doubt. I think Naruto , Hashirama, and Minato may be the only ones that could defeat him. 3rd Hokage maybe with reaper death seal for a tie. I would maybe argue Tsunade with the slug acid but that’s about it.
The raikage is just the type of guy to not show fear I think he was confident he could hit minato just because that’s the kind of guy he is he wouldn’t want to let a guy from the enemy village know he’s scared he even sacrificed an arm to hit sasuke I also think you guys are heavily downplaying minatos intelligence like yeah kabuto is smart but minato is definitively way smarter and kabuto has never fought someone like him what if minato summons the frogs to destroy the cave eliminating that huge advantage? I feel minato could pull this fight out but at the very least stalemate you guys say it’s not in character for him to just whip out reaper death seal but that’s just because when he was alive he was never pushed to do it other than by the nine tails I think this one shot manga may give us more insight on things he can do and change your guys opinion like if minato sees this guy can regenerate from everything why wouldn’t he try to slice his head in half and destroy his brain minatos intelligence is even greater than itachis and if he marks kabuto he would know he would have to do an attack that could gurantee the kill he wouldn’t just keep slashing at kabuto and seeing him regenerate and keep trying til it works he’s to smart for that
Yeah I actually am gonna make a pinned comment on that since Minato can sense Sage power even in his Base. Which might add to him pulling off a W. I think he has options it’s just a lot of his tool kit doesn’t work in this matchup is all, unless he stalemates
@@ThunderGodTG i dont really care who one i just wanted to hear the arguments, debate is more so coming to a consensus sometimes, not about always being right, not saying this is a debate. Anyway the part i disagree with was where with raikage being confident he could catch minato, in war even at a disadvantage you cannot show fear, thinking you have a way to win does not mean your faster/or stronger than the person your fighting, i mean raikage was certain he could kill sasuke too, but he ended up losing an arm you know what i mean its just not a point of reference to ignore what minato did prior easily to just say ok raikage is just gonna miraculously jump minato now because he discovsr minato uses kunai to teleport
Yeah I also agree don’t think Raikage is the best source it’s literally just a reference for being able to keep track of most of the Kunai. I still Raikage was gonna get mopped regardless
