Gotta disagree on the kcm Naruto speed feat for itachi because immediately after this base bee starts boxing with itachi and there is zero indication of itachi starting to home back as he had zero control of his body much much more likely kcm Naruto was holding back unless you're gonna say base bee is relative to kcm naruto
Itachi is going to take care of kyuubi so fast you dont even have an idea. Dude literally easily saved both Jinchuriki's life against Nagato. Anyway, Itachi can easily put Kyuubi into genjutsu. Even Obito did it at 14, if genjutsu doesn't work then Amaterasu, then Totsuka blade to seal it. he can easily stop the Biju bomb either with Yata mirror, which doesn't take any damage because it just replicates the attack properties to adjust, or even with Susanoo body only as we saw Susanoo taking a whole Biju bomb from Naruto/kyuubi during their last fight. And we also saw hagoromo Susanoo easily stopping the Bijuu bomb from the 10 tails. You are really underestimating the Susanoo
@@breyonhopkins4795 he's still nerfed because we can saw his potential when using DMS when he fused his soul with kakashi. The hashi cells might grants him that pseudo ems but the DMS gave him the strongest susanoo ever
On the Itachi vs Kyuubi encounter, I perfectly gives it to Itachi. He has the means to protect himself from a bijuu bomb with the Yara mirror (for example Suigestu survived being blown up point blank by the 8 tails, so Yata mirror is going to work just fine). Then he can Amaterasu Kyuubi and close the gap to then seal it with the Tostuka blade. The only problem would be, the village might have more casualties than with Minato. However let's not forget Hiruzen, he was around ready to pop up to mitigate as much as possible for him. So he is a factor to for the survival of a part of the inhabitants.
i think its more likely itachi breaks the genjutsu and tries to stop it himself then seal it, whether he uses his totsuka blade or not (since we know he knows other sealing jutsu) doesnt really matter
About Itachi overriding Obito’s control of the nine tails, we see that in the Kabuto fight when Kabuto places Itachi and Sasuke in genjutsu, they both break each other out with the sharingan. Sasuke using generic genjutsu and Itachi using tsukuyomi. That’s proof alone that the sharingan can break people out of genjutsu. For the bijuu it might be different? Maybe but possible nonetheless.
@@m.caeben2578 kabuto would not know that minato would be able to teleport him out of the cave. All he would likely know is that he can teleport to any of the kunai, not that the seal can teleport him
Itachi isn’t stupid, the only reason minato jumped on the stone wall of the hokage’s is because he was confident that he could transport the nine tailed beast bomb. Itachi would of approached the nine tails differently, he definitely would not of taken the high ground and forced the nine tails to focus on him away from the village
im shocked to even hear thinking an uchiha would lose to a tailed beast itachi would easily beat nine tails or just seal it right then and there or can even control 9 tails easily
@@razzo086 Actually Itachi could have done two things either he could have used his sharingan to counteract obito Control over the nine tails or if he had his susano at the time he could have sealed him in the realm of drunken dreams or why didnt The cloud send the pot that Got kinkaku and ginkaku Because as far as I know the cloud and the leaf were not at war at the time so they could have transported the pot sealed him away until Naruto was old enough to take on the nine tails fully and understand the power
it's so weird that this kinda content doesn't get more views. I feel like there's so many people that like this exact type of thing, but the algorithm hasn't really pushed it out much.
One note for the genjutsu override is that when kabuto had both itachi and sasuke pinned down, they each used genjutsu to enter each others minds and cut off kabuto's control.
About Minato's reaction speed, idk if he did in the manga but in the anime he was able to completely turn around in midair catch the truthseeker orbs on his back and teleport away all while he was inbetween guy and madara
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@@TheArmouredOne it might be idk, the orbs don’t seem to have that crazy of speed feats nor has the writers wrote it out to be like some crazy speed hax. Ppl use this scene to hype minato but to me it just seems like a cool scene no feats involved. Cuz it mean lee and minato are faster than 8gate guy and that doesn’t make sense
there's absolutely no reason that itachi wouldn't be able to yata mirror into totsuka blade the ninetails, especially when kabuto doesn't know about either ability. and minato's only objective is to stop Kabuto from controlling the Edos, realistically there's a high chance he could just BFR kabuto to a place where he's not able to escape or completely sealed or he might even be able to use the contract seal to disconnect him from the Edos.
Exactly, plus minato has like a contract seal that he could arguably sever the contract from kabutos and the edos it would be difficult as kabutos edo is far stronger than oros or tobirama, but atleast thats an option, if the cave is a problem minato just get them out of the cave, but maybe that is too convenient and does not tell a fight goes with minato and kabuto
@@momotheone9700 obits wouldn't know about any of itachi's abilities or equipment, to save the village itachi would use anything available, especially the yata mirror, and the totsuka blade which is like top 3 sealing in the verse.
I think if Itachi used Amaterasu on Kurama, it would be dangerous because if he reacts like Bee did it would cause even more destruction to the village with him flailing around on fire and possibly lighting the village on fire with Amaterasu.
23:12 about the minato kabuto fight, couldn't minato just seal him? I mean i get it we dont see the full variety of minato's seal, but its like clear his feats are good enough chakra quantity wise to handle a shinobi the chakra levels as kabuto even in sage mode, sealing the ninetails essentially being the reason there are 2 version of the ninetails, minato tagging kabuto with ftg seal having comparable speed to even a sage kabuto, minato may be able to get to kabuto in time to eventually seal him if he cant pfysically take him down. And i think to have minato try to take down kabuto was not the aim, just to subdue him, this is my thought i might be wrong
@@spit-fire i get it, its a big MAYBE but at the same time it might be difficult to break all the summons from such an expert of edo tensei all at the same time.
Maybe, it really all depends on kabuto. If kabuto underestimates Minato he will lose badly but if kabuto humbles himself and actually try and win the fight Minato will have a hard time. Not only does his unpredictability become useless now that Kabuto has sage mode but he will expect Minato’s teleportation. The only thing Minato can do is bait kabuto and win with iQ. Minato is similar to Itachi in this situation where he would need to use a sealing jutsu or a forbidden jutsu never seen or used before even to kabuto. Minato can win but I think Kabuto has the win speaking logically
Very good video and especially what you said at the end is extremely true that both characters fought people that they have better arsenal to deal with them. For example Minato has FTG to deal with Kamui, therefore he always will be a better match up against Obito, than Itachi would. And Itachi has Izanami to deal with Kabuto and Susanoo to protect Sasuke, so even tho Itachi and Minato are very similar to each other in every stats, they have their own match up where one can perform better than the other. Awesome video, very accurate and it's so good to hear some accurate Minato scaling nowadays. Awesome video, keep up the good work! 👍
I’m pretty sure Minato would tag Sasuke before they enter the cave. He tagged his team in the war too. A tagged Sasuke and and the outside safety tags would mean he can save Sasuke. I’ll say the nerf is not fair at all.
Here are some suggestions for videos on if characters switched roles: Itachi and Kakashi Itachi and Pain Pain and Sage Kabuto Obito and Kabuto Madara and Obito Orochimaru and Jiraiya Shino vs each of the sound 5 (I can't find New Horizons video on it, could you pasted here if you found it)?
@@nanyohristov4818 I’m going off the bases of Minato having prep time since it’s out of character for him to go fight kabuto knowing damn well he dose not have a way to undo edo at that point why bother? It would be a low iq move and Minato is smarter then that, but I understand for the sake of the video they have to force and out of character decision. Also I think it’s a bit of a stretch to say Minato won’t be able to touch kabuto at all with the help of Sasuke, and even if one of the fastest ninja to have ever lived somehow couldn’t touch him he can just teleport help into the cave Minato has many win conditions just not in this very nerf and restricted conditions for the sake of the video
@@nanyohristov4818 can you imagine he teleports Hashirama into the cave 😂 Kabuto is getting violated at that point, I can see Minato going hey I don’t have sealing justu that can undo the edo I’m not gonna be able to do this in my own I need to make a plan to create a opening for someone who can then proceed to come up with a win condition weather it works or not is another story but no way he just walks in there with zero game plan
@@gameuniverse5973 so this means madara would fight naruto guy kakashi and bee and obito would fight the 5 kage? Also does ot means that madara would fight the hokage without juubi? Because if madara does not fight with juubi against hokages and naruto and sasuke and hashirama has to take on juubito?hashirama would lose but hokage plus naruto and sasuke would prolly beat madara, but if madara has juubi, madara would win but hashirama would beat whitemask obito imo.
😂 the only reason why Orange mask Obito got hit is cause Obito was off guard, Obito on guard dodged the Raikage 😂, Amaterasu is slower than the Raikage
That is the point, obito was actually fighting reckless make it so he was susceptible to attacks he could have dodged. Obito doesn't let his guard down against anybody else from this point onward until he's revealed as Obito
@@ThunderGodTG but I could say that there is no way Obito should have expected a bed ridden Sasuke to have Itachi Amaterasu, also even young Obito has shown to react to Minato who’s can probably dodge Amaterasu pretty easily, in all honesty the only reason why Minato beat Obito is cause he had the perfect counter to kamui Itachi doesn’t have anything like that
Crazy thing is the 3rd databooks stated he used kamui to get rid of Amaterasu. So even at the slight chance that obito is hit he can still get rid of it
Amaterasu only kills Obito if it hits from behind since he wouldn’t be able to easily kamui it away, I guess? Then Itachi’s win-con is to get a shadow clone behind Obito
26:30 if he can tag Kabuto he win, this is bacause the Teleport Negates any Damage Imunity, want prove? after Minato marked Obito he goes to him TOUCH e and free the 9 tails from obito´s control, i think that this happens because the Teleport Jutsu make you go for what is Marked, so it forces Obito´s Body to not go to the Kamui realm, if realy tags Kabuto, would force Kabuto to not go into a Liquid, PROBABLY.
Can't Minato just seal Kabuto, he's very proficient with sealing techniques and Kabuto doesn't have nearly as much chakra as Kurama so reaper death seal wouldn't be really necessary also even if he does use it because he's edo can't he just respawn?
Even if he seals him the Jutsu isn't undone, he needs to Incapacitate him for Sasuke to place him under Genjutsu, Itachi literally had the Hyper Specific answer to him
@@ThunderGodTG can't sasuke use amaterasu on kabuto until his regeneration runs out and then make the flames disapate with enton kagasutchi before kabuto is killed by them, itachi can't do that cause he doesn't have flame control but sasuke should be able to do that
@@ThunderGodTG the second argument was regarding hym not having anything to deal with Kabuto in terms of AP, now regarding the actual goal of the mission - wouldn't Minato have one or more jutsus in his Uzumaki sealing arsenal to cut off contract to edo , or simply use lower tier sealing to just suppress him while Sasuke puts him under genjutsu
I feel like the Kyuubi might just be able to roar the Amaterasu away. We know Itachi's Amaterasu is pretty fast but not as fast as Sasuke's Flame Control, and Kurama was able to react to Sage Mode Naruto during the chakra tug of war which should have been relative to if not stronger than MS Sasuke during the majority of the FKS arc. Neither character is Itachi level really, but Sasuke's Amaterasu should realistically scale above Itachi's I feel. Naruto was able to blow away flames by just shouting really loud (with a base Kyuubi amp) in his first fight with Sasuke, so I feel like Kurama might be able to do something similar with Amaterasu. In which case I think the flames would be dispersed among the village, which is definitely not what Itachi wants.
@@ThunderGodTG Thanks man! Yeah I think the scenario gets harder for him to clear since Amaterasu is such a risky move even though it's his arguably his best takedown move for it, the potential for collateral damage is kinda wild
Yeah it could be similar to Temari blowing the wind off the samurai's armor in the 5KS or something to that effect and like you said too much collateral
Disagree with the Bee and A take that would definitely be a highdiff fight for Itachi, Minato would likely place a mark on Sasuke and could defend him in a similar manner as Itachi by always being able to quickly teleport to him and away. Also being nerfed in the last one basically means he clears.
Itachi would probably be an even worse dad than Minato was. Imagine him showing during Naruto’s fight with Pain, and instead of encouraging words, just doing his usual “ohhh you lack haaaate” spiel and making Naruto re-live Hinata’s death for 100 hours
Itachi would easily defeat the nine tails with toska blade and can defend against tail beast bomb with yata mirror but he would easily tsukiyomi against the tailed beast
The problem is that the Nine Tails is across the Village out of Itachi's Range and the Yata Mirror is not omnidirectional so it's not gonna block all the explosion
@@ThunderGodTG but by the sheer size of the shield it should be reliable for these types of instances and especially if madara’s fan was able to reflect kcm 2 tailed beast bomb rasengan itachi’s yata mirror should far exceed that
@@ninteen4515 the objective is to save the village. Itachi tanking a tailed beast bomb from 9 tails only saves him, the shockwave and after math of the explosion will destroy the leaf
@cantguardb3498 nigga what? You think Sage Kabuto is Jubito level now? Do you think he is Bijuu Sage Mode Level now? Do you even think he's KCM2? I sure hope not since at best he scales to Supressed Edo Itachi who is MKCM1 Level Scaling to EMS Sasuke
Feel like the fact Minato is a sealing pro... Means in reality means if he touches you with anything chakara sealing like 8trigrams or Kyuubi is like having 1hko gentle fist + kamui. Also the Kyuubi blast warping barrier Minato has....how could that actually effect a whole battle ground like the cave Kabuto used for cover 🤔
I don’t think it’s that simple. Minato wasn’t known for sealing people quickly, he was known for his high quality sealing jutsu meaning his sealing jutsu’s are high ranked and hard to break out of when in it. Minato more than likely has to set up the sealing process in order to seal a real person which I think any shinobi with Kakashi’s iQ will notice if a shinobi is trying to seal them. But who knows I could be wrong, there’s not enough content for Minato😭
@@xvingar6318 I think Minato could make a clone to distract Kabuto while the real Minato gathers the Chakra to make the seal, and even if Kabuto could sense the real Minato, Kabuto can't do anything if Minato uses Sage Mode or worse, teleports him out of the cave.
I don’t see edo Minato defeating sage Kabuto for a few reasons. 1. In character Minato wouldn’t resort to using sage mode because he feels that he isn’t very advanced in using it and because KCM isn’t a factor in this battle as a condition, he’s gonna have major trouble touching Kabuto. 2. If Kabuto uses the jutsu that caves in the walls with spikes, Minato has nowhere to teleport unless we assume that he has raijin kunai placed all over the cave. 3. If Kabuto uses tayuya’s genjutsu Sasuke and Minato are done for. Itachi who’s arguably the best and most versatile genjutsu user in the series could not break out on his own, him and Sasuke had to break each other out. Meaning that 1. IF Sasuke comes up with the idea of breaking Minato out with MS Minato will have to break Sasuke out before Kabuto gets there, which is unlikely. Another thing I’d like to point out is that Itachi with MS couldn’t not distinguish where Kabuto was via the sharingan. Now I know Minato is an impressive sensory type, you can argue that when Kabuto uses that blinding technique, Minato won’t know where to teleport based on Kabuto’s chakra signatures because they’ll essentially be all over the place, pressuring him so to speak.
The last point there you made was a very very good point, if labuto chakra is being sense everywhere, would that make minato have second thoughts about teleporting there and end up losing the fight as a result? Or would minato just risk it and attack as soon as he teleports?
1. He always has his KCM. In the most extreme case, even if you say somehow Kabuto can barely dodge Minato, he still can use his KCM arms to grab Kabuto. He just has to mark him once, and its gg. 2. Minato literally has markers everywhere in the world. He will obviously teleport Kabuto out of a place where Kabuto has the advantage. 3. Remember that Minato has the nine tails inside, and is therefore immune to genjutsu. 4. Again, Minato is 200iq and can pretend to lose and offer up Sasuke to Kabuto. As SOON as Kabuto touches Sasuke, its gg as Minato teleports him out.
1) I find it very funny that you always use this lame argument that Minato wouldn't use wise mode because it's not part of his character, if he decides to use it, he'll use it as simple as that, Itachi only used Shisui's genjutso once and His fanboys always mention it as if he could always use it, now Minato, who had to train wise mode, and it's his power, couldn't he use it whenever he wanted? hahahahaha 2) the cave is no problem for Minato, he can leave several marks in it, or just 1 and the effect will be the same, as he can change the position mark from a distance, so even if kabuto changes the scene, the Minato can simply control the mark to the position he desires, and as shown several times in the work, the ninja does not notice the mark on his body or it moving (stone ninja, bee, obito) 3) there is no guarantee that Minato would fall into the genjutsu just because Sasuke and Itachi fell, Minato is a sensory ninja, while Sasuke and Itachi depend on vision, Minato can feel the entire environment using his sensing, and In the unlikely scenario of him falling into genjutso, why do you think there wouldn't be time for Minato to get to Sasuke and save him? He could simply teleport to Sasuke faster than Kabuto attacks or moves, or he could teleport Sasuke the same distance he did in the war, teleporting any ninja who was attacked by the divine tree. 4) it would be the worst decision of kabuto's life to fill the cave with his chakra, as mentioned and shown by Minato in the war, he can teleport everything he or his chakra touches directly and/or indirectly, do you know what that means? that the moment Minato touches any place in the cave with Kabuto's chakra, then he will have access to Kabuto's position and will be able to find him wherever he is and teleport to him I'm not even going to take Minato's km mode into account, as it would be an exaggeration and Kabuto would be unilaterally beaten
When it comes to raw power/scaling, I’ve always seen sharingan(prime/edo) itachi being comparable to base minato as they both scale around KCM naruto in terms of speed and strength, with sage minato scaling to Ms/susanoo itachi (in terms of raw power and possibly speed) In speed sharingan itachi could probably barely keep up with base minato and most likely solidly keep up with MS sage mode minato would most likely bring it back to what it would be before These are just my opinion and this is using prime/edo itachi scaling
You have my respect for scaling to minato to kcm 1 Which is just most consistent scale for him because people who just scale based on hype scalet o kcm 2 , 8 gate guy and stuff 🗿 But i would disagree about itachi needing prime or edo, because itachi in base can already be scaled to mkcm Or kcm1. 5 naruto More like sick itachi can be scaled to base minato and sage minato possibly being able to defeat him By the way I think kcm minato is more close to prime itachi
@@ohhellwhereami2574 for the most part I can agree, except MS itachi is most likely the one closer to KCM 1.5 naruto, but Biju minato scales to(or above) Mastered biju naruto
@@sergperez5484 that's what I mean by base, ms itachi is that level Honestly tbf sasuke show relativity to itachi and same sasuke actually had better feats than kcm 2 minato so I guess edo and prime itachi is in his different league
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Minato vs kabuto isn't the goal to stop the edo tensei there? If that's the goal minato can break the contract and send them back possibly. Itachi vs bee n raikage, the question is that, is itachi fast enough to dodge the raikage or can react to him? Genjutsu is never really always the answer as it's basic knowledge that an uchiha will use Genjutsu and you should fight avoiding that which against itachi shouldn't be hard to do since even sasuke couldn't do it to the raikage. You're right about excluding kcm2 minato it's an instant win if they get included
😂😂😂 It would have been so funny that Naruto and Bee, as soon as they escaped from the turtle island bumped into Nagato and Minato with kcm2. Well that would have been a short arc.
If the Ninetails fired the Biju bomb before being amata'd, then he and all of konoha would turn into crows and just reveal the Ninetails was in a genjutsu.
I think Minato would teleport Kabuto out of the cave somewhere else where he doesn’t have the advantage. Minato still beats sage kabuto especially if he’s also in sage mode. The larger question is whether he can undo the reanimation jutsu, no kill kabuto. Kabuto stated repeated that itachi could’ve killed him multiple times
That's solid facts nor could itachi have ever in a million years been in the same situations as Minato and been successful. I don't see any way that Minato comes even close to losing to Itachi. Going by feats its not even possible. Itachi is seriously outclassed here.
most of itachi's trump cards are single target focused such as amaterasu or various genjutsu, not to mention izanami. i think it's certainly possible for even sick itachi to izanami minato, or even koto amatsukami. itachi would win the fight before it even started. now without the hacks, itachi loses 9/10 no denying that, though an edo itachi would certainly at the very least prove to be troublesome for minato, it could go either way.
@@hellishot5224 the child prodigy 12 year old ms user who slaughtered the entire uchiha stopped with one touch....somehow i don't think so. speed is important but so is ability and utility.
I think he is using older itachi, so yes itachi should win, remember in this scenario itachi is acting as the 4th hokage so yes he would have to be his strongest self while alive, that being Mangekyou sharingan and all
I don't even think Kabuto would fight Minato at all, not because he'd think he'd lose but because he wouldn't win either. Minato could do a contract seal to release Kabutos control over the Edos but they would likely still be around, likely the sealing corps could handle most of them except Madara. But the actual Fight, even if kabuto uses all his techniques, Minato can literally just get outta there and with Kabutos regeneration, Minato's only resort would be to seal him somehow, but sealing takes a long time even for Minato, plenty of time to have Kabuto shed snake skin and try to catch Minato off guard, but he wouldnt be able to hit Minato to get anything meaningful done. This battle is a literal no contest Edit: I guess if Minato summons the frogs and uses Frog Song, he can incapacitate Kabuto long enough to seal him away. But that's a really big longshot.
Bro might actually be able to neg Sound Based Genjutsu due to how his body works, it's somewhat similar to how Obito is unaffected by the Ten Tails Scream that paralyzed the Shinobi alliance due to him using Kamui.
Izanaghi needs to be casted beforehand. Obito survived amaterasu using kamui. It's also stated in the databooks. Also, obito is not a rival or comparable to akatsuki itachi. Itachi states to hebi sasuke that "Madara exists" and that madara is his sense. His whole fight with sasuke was Itachi prepping Sasuke as much as possible. Knowing that when sasuke had the EMS, Itachi's trap would trigger as it did. Unfortunately the master knows everything he teaches the student, but the student doesn't know everything the master does. Hence obito stating that if itachi knew more about him, he'd be able to kill him. Nevertheless, obito bodies any version of itachi. Not sure why itachi is at the obito level.
You should do hypothetical dms obito. It would be hard to scale him without sixpaths buff, but still interesting. We know it doubles his kamui speed and he would have access to sussano without tue drawback of going blind.
I think Sasuke and Minato vs Kabuto would have been amazing. Sasuke being in shock at how great naruto's dad is and giving respect to that. While Minato respecting Sasuke as a fellow genius.
Minato should be able to teleport Kabuto out of the cave if he tags him and remove one of the handicaps. Minato doesn’t have an asspull Genjutsu but Sasuke can cast Tsukiyomi and I don’t understand how Minato wouldn’t be able teleport Kabuto right in-front of Sasuke if he manages to tag him. Minato could teleport him to the battlefield and have more people support him. The whole deal with Kabuto was that nobody knew where he was anyway. With Minato’s BIQ it’s nigh impossible for him to not pull a win and stop Kabuto but if the condition is to not kill Kabuto or Kabuto’s reform then he wouldn’t be able to clear on the same time as Itachi.
Itachi could just genjustu Obito with a finger, like he did to Naruto. Use subtle genjustu so Obito doesn't believe he is in one. If Obito's timing is off enough, then Itachi can buy enough time to then use Susanoo, Amaterasu, or Tsukuyomi to deal with Obito.
Itachi is better at genjutsu then Madara from what we have seen and character statements during the war saying he was the only person they knew of that could control multiple people when zetsu was turning into ppl, and amatarasu from itachi was shown to be released fast during it's first use against jiraiya so he wouldve stop the 9 tails
@@sankeerthkoshy61 i dont thing the issue is if itachi can genjutsu the ninetails, its if he can do it while fighting obito or do it before the bijuu bomb destroy the village, just the sheer force of the bomb moving across the air was flatteningsky scrapers in the village, i dunno if the yata morror would nullify the AOE of the bomb before cancelling it out, then obito is gonna teleport behind, it does not matter who it is obito would have caught them if they could not teleport, so itachi cannot really handle both yellow mask obito and kyubi at the same time, but 1v1 and not worried about village itachi could beat both.
@@momotheone9700 Itachi would get wrecked by Yellow Mask Obito he has nothing in his aresenal to counter kamui, by that time (assuming he even stops the Kyubis attacks) he would be out of chakra lol
Itachi could easily outdo the genjusu that Obito put on the nine tails, and he could also tsukiyomi kurama if be wanted to, which would most likely destroy it's mind for a short time (since kurama's chakra is much stronger than kakashi's)
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Bee was not on par with early Minato at all what u mean? Bee just predicted Minato teleporting to him, not sure what else he did that made u think he was on par with early Minato >->
Bee literally intercepted Minato, but more so than that he's just on Par with Raikage Ay which is a stronger argument if you don't like their fight which is fair especially since Minato's concedes he likes them lmao
Did you forget including Hebi Sasuke vs Minato? or part 1 Sasuke, Naruto and Jiraiya vs Minato and Kisame? Or Minato and Kisame vs Kurenai, Asuma, Kakashi and Guy? Those were pretty important.
I don't think Killer Bee nor KCM Naruto are comparable to a Hokage Minato. For the most part, I think it's pretty clear power progression for Naruto with KCM1 being someone capable of reaching Minato's "Yellow Flash" moniker that he garnered as a jonin. It's more that initial KCM2 (or Naruto with full cooperation of Kurama) and then the Mastered KCM (again, already has Kurama's cooperation) are capable of performing feats that a Hokage Minato could potentially do. To be honest, Minato can even outdo the 5 bijuudama feat, considering he can send a way a juubi bijuudama and him & Tobirama believed they can at least take care of one even when they weren't at full chakra capacity. I also doubt Minato can utilize sage mode more than just a fraction of time. As far as the fights: 1. Itachi isn't stronger than Full Kurama but could potentially seal Kurama with totsuka blade and could amaterasu, genjutsu and deflect at least a single bijuudama with the yata mirror - Itachi clears but village most likely destroyed even more 2. Minato washes Orochimaru who's even weaker than Part 1 & War Arc - Minato clears 3. Itachi as you said is capable of forcing Yellow Mask into retreat. I think Itachi has better use of his MS than Obito here and is comparable to a much stronger Obito (by the way, Hokage Minato would wash any Obito until Rinnegan still since his ninjutsu counters even if Obito has izanagi hax) - Itachi clears mainly by forcing Obito to retreat and potentially undoing the Kurama summoning 4. Minato is just stronger than Nagato even in edo base. While he's not capable of totsuka blade gg, he still can seal and bind Nagato plus can counter him especially due to his speed and overall power - Minato being above an initial KCM2 level of power makes him capable of defeating Nagato - Minato clears 5. Itachi would be capable of defeating both the Raikage & Killer Bee especially these versions of them (it would potentially be a different story if this was them in the war arc although he's still stronger than both). Keep in mind, THIS Killer Bee hasn't mastered the bijuudama given what the Raikage tells him when his dad dies. I think what you said is plausible if not Itachi can just outright seal them with totsuka blade or just simply retreat since it's on the combat field and Konoha was waiting on the signal to leave - Itachi clears whatever that means 6. Minato vs. Kabuto - If the objective is to undo the edo tensei, well that wouldn't happen unless you grant Minato knowing the seals to release the jutsu (which he can have Sasuke force Kabuto to undo the jutsu with genjutsu). It IS in character for Minato to mark EVERYTHING with FTG seal. Hell, he's even marked Tsunade at some point in time. So yes, he would mark Sasuke assuming he knew Sasuke was chasing after him not to mention that initial mark would matter completely. There's no doubt Minato can just simply mark Kabuto, teleport them ALL outside the cave and deal with him in a different place. The MAIN reason Kabuto is deadlier than it seems is due to the geographical advantage. Take him out of it, he's just clear cut the weakest fighter of the 3. Sage Kabuto is strong, probably stronger than KCM Naruto/Early War Arc Sage Naruto but doesn't reach Initial KCM2/Mastered KCM levels (given him still knowing he's the weakest of the 3 in that fight, but knowing he has specific advantages over the Uchiha brothers) and doesn't reach Bijuu Sage Naruto levels that Edo KCM Minato nearly reaches and Full Power EMS Sasuke is an equal match for. Also, cause Minato understands he cannot undo the jutsu, he would ALLOW Sasuke to utilize his full power, just short of killing Kabuto. So if clearing is either killing (which I doubt they would do given they understand the edo tensei situation) or beating Kabuto down and restraining him to allow a sharingan/MS/EMS genjutsu or shinobi who can interrogate such as Yamanaka clan or Aoba to read minds, then the easy play is mark Sasuke before they enter the cave, place markers wherever you need both in the cave, going to the cave or just hand one to Naruto & Bee since the plan was already initiated for Kakashi & Guy to back up them. So once they enter the cave, quickly tag Minato which we ALL KNOW Minato can easily do, then teleport the 3 of them to Naruto & Bee where they can beat Kabuto down, restrain him either with kamui, Kakashi or Sasuke genjutsu to undo edo tensei then all 5 go and beat down Rinnegan Obito before the juubi revives. Keep in mind, in this scenario Naruto STILL has the crow which would force Sasuke to be controlled to protect Konoha. So he would do whatever he can to ensure Kabuto & Obito are defeated and eventually Edo Madara is sealed - Minato clears albeit will have to find a different means of getting edo tensei to be undone
Also Minato in base has comparable sensory abilities and would be capable of knowing where Kabuto is, not just his chakra leaking everywhere. He is also a tier or two faster/better reactions even in base with FTG. I think you're overrating Sage Kabuto a bit. He performs well due to the massive disadvantages fighters are at when they are in the cave not to mention due to not wanting to kill Kabuto. You take away those parameters which Minato can easily do, then this fight is over and both just outright scale above Kabuto no matter how you put it.
@@emssasukeisunderrated7946 I definitely see what you're saying, Minato would be sharing the same restrictions as Itachi and Sasuke, my issue with Minato is lack of AP feats to blatantly put down Kabuto or really affect him, his approach is going to require far more work than Itachi's, I'll say that Killer Bee and KCM Naruto (More Mastered) would be more comparable via strictly combat speed, not including reaction or Teleportation, which only amplifies minato's abilites. That's just me feel free to agree to disagree
@@ThunderGodTG i can see where you coming from with that thundergod minato does have a slower combat speed than his reaction, he has to muster the power to attack but when he reacts hes just easy to let go and dodge or teleport
Yea I agree with the Minato KCM2 Naruto comparisons. There’s literally a whole scene when Naruto unlocks KCM2 for the first time, Kakashi thought it was Minato so I think you’re right. I’ve never thought that I’ve always thought Minato just got stronger by a unquantifiable number never thought that KCM2 comparison would be accurate
I feel like if itachi used amaterasu on the 9 Tails like that it might hurt the village if the 9 Tails is thrashing around from it causing the village to burn as well and he would have to put it out
The best genjutsu user in the show should definitely be able to cancel Obitos genjutsu on Kurama, they do it on other people (example Kabuto fight). You started with the cap early in the vid...Minato is also not bullying Orochimaru unless you included perfect jin Minato.
Minato in base as a jonin would wreck orochimaru, come on dude itachi was like 14 when he annhialated orochimaru with a base sharingan and was such a threat to orochimaru that he left the akatisuki, even after he mastered edo tensei and went back to the leaf to fight the third he still thought itachi was superior to him, atleast if minato were to fight itachi the uchiha would need his mangekyo at least, im telling you minato is gonnq get orochimaru to retreat just as quickly as itachi did and even more easily.
It's definitely possible, it's more so just questionable which is why I don't lean toward it, and Minato absolutely obliterates Orochimaru, the only Orochimaru that comes close is War Arc
Contract seal won't work. It only removes control of the summon from the summoner, which won't stop edo tensei as they are autonomous. Same reason killing Kabuto won't work.
The yata mirror is a reflection shield meaning if the 9 tails shot the biju bomb itachi could reflect it in any direction the village would be unharmed
Bro I actually agree with most of yr takes except for one thing... doesn't mean a stronger person will be superior in every single aspect/ jitsu....like just because Itachi is weaker than Madara doesn't mean his genjitsu is too...Itachi has shown multiple times that his genjitsu whether in terms of how strong his genjitsu is, his knowledge in genjitsu, the amount and ways he can put someone in a genjitsu all is just better than almost everyone if not everyone...like only Shisui may have a stronger genjitsu bt even so since Itachi has been alive and has so much knowledge and experience in genjitsu, Itachi is like the king of genjitsu... the only ones who I can see who can clearly brush off genjitsu or have a better genjitsu are characters like Hashirama and so6p above
Regarding the fight against the Kyubi, would the Totsuka Blade work? I know it hasn't sealed something as strong a tailed beast but I feel like it would have to work to some degree. Not to mention sealing Obito.
Your making it seem minato solos nagato when he doesn’t. I’d argue Nagato would have an easier time fighting minato + Naruto and bee bc they don’t have anything strong enough to take him down besides reaper death seal
Yes he would stomp nagato, i dont think with minato there nagato would get bees chakra and if he does not get bees chakra, then he cannot get his youthful appearance and he would get disposed of, because if you believe nagato is faster than minato, its not his old man form thats for certain.
