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Sailing Canoe- build and evolution 

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A closer look at my out-rigged sail canoe- a walk through the build and evolution of this home-built engineless craft into a capable, fast and fun adventure canoe. It doesn't have to cost much to get on the water. I ended up merging a dory-shaped hull, a sharpie bow, a Polynesian prow, a Viking rudder, a Norwegian tiller, an English transom, a single outrigger and a Ketch lug rig.

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3 июн 2021

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@FantomsNephew
@FantomsNephew Год назад
Nice! Like the sleep accomodations! Fair winds!
@Captain_Bartolo
@Captain_Bartolo Год назад
Is a very interesting project! Greetings and fair winds 🍀
@johnnyT428
@johnnyT428 Год назад
Thank you shipmate. And you too.
@svemeraldspirit681
@svemeraldspirit681 Год назад
Looks great 👍🏻
@Osckarre
@Osckarre 2 года назад
Fascinating geological formations in the area. Love the boat, why I'm here btw :)
@johnnyT428
@johnnyT428 2 года назад
Yes it was a previously very volcanically active region and a fault line. A magical area to sail in. Glad you like the boat. :-)
@Rabbitunderground
@Rabbitunderground 3 года назад
Very brave and clever!
@pakde8002
@pakde8002 11 месяцев назад
I'm really surprised you managed with a single aka. I've built a canoe and planned on two aka with only a 180 cm ama and immediately realized that was going to make sitting space difficult. My solution which I haven't applied yet was to build longer ama but I might just give the single aka a try and the single ama as well. Thanks 👍
@johnnyT428
@johnnyT428 11 месяцев назад
A single aka works great with a short ama and allows it to flex a little. One further from the boat works as well as two nearer (it's weight and buoyancy are amplified). I really like it. I've also pondered making a longer single ama with two akas, maybe next year. Cheers. Let me know how it goes.
@codywhiteside152
@codywhiteside152 Год назад
Wonderful so satisfying to see someone dare to test such designs, im very inspired and grateful for sharing your experience
@johnnyT428
@johnnyT428 Год назад
Thank you also for your lovely feedback. It's good to hear people get inspired from my vids.
@wayfarerchris.4116
@wayfarerchris.4116 2 года назад
Lovely little sailing canoe John 👍. Really enjoyed your build journey, testing and tweaking things until you got them how you wanted. Cheers for sharing 👍.
@johnnyT428
@johnnyT428 2 года назад
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it.
@ashleyplamondon6950
@ashleyplamondon6950 2 года назад
i like your boat. i am getting ready to start construction on mine and im looking for ideas because i never built a canoe before i was thinking of making it out of cedar although marene plywood might be easier i have done a decent amount of canoeing in my past and now im itching to go adventureing again in a vessel of my own making. i grew up in northern Alberta and there are 0ld fur trade routes on lakes and rivers id like to go on for a sense of adventure and some of the rivers ive gone on in the past makes me want to build a vessel as mobile and universal as i can because there will be portages and going from a river to a lake and some narrow creeks and we have some pretty big lakes. my idea is have a keel i can pull up or drop that is made into the boat so i dont have rigging hanging off and a sail in the front and have a deep but flat bottom canoe and hopefully its sturdy enough with the size of sail ill need. i bought a book on how to make canoes to give me some ideas i have my plans drawn up almost ready to get material and start. great video awsome vessal it gave me some inspiration to start. maybe ill make a video if my wife can help edit it and if anyone else is interested in these sort of adventures. Cheers from Alberta Canada.
@johnnyT428
@johnnyT428 2 года назад
Yes it's a fantastic process- building and refining a small vessel. There is some interesting posts on 'Open canoe sailing group' which is worth joining if you are on FB. Good luck with your build my friend. Thanks for your feedback too.
@peterhull100
@peterhull100 Год назад
I am interested in the rudder position John. I have seen some designs with a rudder mounted on the stern with lines either side to turn the rudder post. I guess you located yours on one side near the stern. Is this because it was more convenient? You mentioned your set up can be adjusted easily and you wouldn't change it. Can you give us a little more detail on why it is more convenient and the ease of keeping a good course please?
@johnnyT428
@johnnyT428 Год назад
Reasons were- I was reluctant to screw through the epoxy layer on the hull; as a canoeist, steering with an oar works well by hand and it is how older vessels were rigged such as Viking boats (with a steering oar). I'd also met an elderly canoe sailor who told me he had to risk going in the water (and struggling back aboard) to clear his aft rudder of weed offshore.
@peterhull100
@peterhull100 Год назад
@@johnnyT428 OK thanks for the feedback John,
@Jarrod_D
@Jarrod_D 3 года назад
I'm not going to lie I was super excited to see this video. I'm sorry it took me a day or two to get back to it I really like the prowl of that boat looks very sea going. I like that you caught the evolution of your build as well. Archery shed that was a bonus. I like that you made sure there was room for you to lay in it. I am curious why you didn't use ballast instead of an outrigger or if you even tried ballast . Thank you for the video I appreciate it. 👍
@johnnyT428
@johnnyT428 3 года назад
Thanks J. I guess I like playing with out-riggers. I like the way a single one works. As I haul it up a beach sometimes I guess ballast is more weight to shift about. I've camped without outriggers and the extra load stiffened it up a bit, however I prefer to sail with one on the seas as a swamped boat has little stability but the outrigger will keep the boat on an even keel in the worst of circumstances. Glad you liked the vid. :-)
@johnnyT428
@johnnyT428 3 года назад
That prow has saved me from some very nasty wash, as has the bouyant stern.
@semirecumbentoneYT
@semirecumbentoneYT Год назад
Graceful. How did you protect the wooden surfaces?
@johnnyT428
@johnnyT428 Год назад
The whole canoe is epoxied with the addition of glass matting on the bottom. I then added epoxy paint to protect the epoxy (which isn't UV stable).
@sailoutofagarage6212
@sailoutofagarage6212 2 года назад
This was really interesting to watch. I like the explanation of how the boat evolved. I am curious about how the boat behaves when the wind is coming in from starboard as you have no buoyancy on the port side? I guess that you lean over hard towards the wind or do you mostly sail on the "safe tack"?
@johnnyT428
@johnnyT428 2 года назад
Thank you for you positive feedback. I found that having a single float works well enough to dampen the boat as it has weight when above the water. I made one for each side bit tests with one were good .I sail my canoe without it but off-shore always use it- if capsized/swamped it would still give the boat some stability. I was inspired by similar techniques in Asia and the Pacific Proas. Just the one is enough to allow me to sleep peacefully aboard up sheltered creeks.
@johnnyT428
@johnnyT428 2 года назад
It's a bit like have a child sitting out when on a starboard tack. It's a reasonable weight and over 4ft from the boat.
@harryme472
@harryme472 2 года назад
Nice little canoe , good job John. Good to see how this boat evolved , finding out what works , and what doesn`t . What are the rough dimensions john , is it basically two sheets long ? It`s hard to guess the beam as there is quite some flare to the sides of the hull. I`m planning a single outrigger sailing canoe myself , so just wondered about your basic dimensions. My boat will be two plywood sheets long . I am considering a batwing sail , it`s relatively easy to make , and looks quite nice.
@johnnyT428
@johnnyT428 2 года назад
Yes its 15' (2 sheets) long, 2' wide on the bottom and 3' at gunnel level. Have fun with your build. Sailing a boat you've made is so rewarding.
@harryme472
@harryme472 2 года назад
@@johnnyT428 Thank you for the quick reply John , it`s very useful.
@cornishhh
@cornishhh 2 года назад
Hi John. That's an interesting boat; thanks for sharing the video. I'm building a 10ft Matt Layden inspired design, and I was wondering what you used for a mast; it looks roughly like what I need. Nice to see another Cornish builder. Greetings from St Austell.
@johnnyT428
@johnnyT428 2 года назад
Hi there. Hope your build goes well. Small boats are more fun. Get your hands on an old windsurfer mast and cut it down to size- cheap, light and strong. Mine was the top half of a two piece one.
@cornishhh
@cornishhh 2 года назад
@@johnnyT428 Cheers. That's what I was thinking of doing but I wondered if you'd used something that I hadn't thought of.
@johnnyT428
@johnnyT428 2 года назад
@@cornishhh No worries. It's great sharing info. Also junior sized windsurf rigs used aluminium tubes for masts which might be handy too if you found one.
@peterhull100
@peterhull100 11 месяцев назад
Hello John, you mentioned that you carry your Canoe Dory on top of your van. The boat is 17ft long so what model of van do you use and how do you get it up there? I guess you have wheels supporting one end on the ground and push it on at an angle unit it becomes horizontal..I liked the idea of dispensing with a road trailer and all the attendant maintenance problems dunking it in seawater etc. More information on these aspects would be greatly appreciated. I don't have a van but I guess I could maybe hire one for as short period. Also useful for carrying sailing and camping gear as well I guess.
@johnnyT428
@johnnyT428 11 месяцев назад
I have a short Renault Traffic van (not high top). I usually have canoe inverted over my head to get the front on. After that I move back to get the rear up. I've got an arthritic shoulder now so it's harder. A second person or a lower vehicle would make it easier. Some folks use a rear roller, others use a two piece canoe or a lighter one. Mine must weigh about 30kg.
@peterhull100
@peterhull100 11 месяцев назад
@@johnnyT428 thanks John, yes I have a Dickie shoulder as well. I wonder if two small axles one near the bow and another at stern. Whilst some of the weight is supported on the ground, lift the bow into the roof and wheel it on. I wonder if that would help to avoid having to take the full weight on your shoulders. What do you think?
@johnnyT428
@johnnyT428 11 месяцев назад
@@peterhull100 Not sure.Certainly raising one end and half the weight at a time helps. Also a passing boater can be very useful.
@svemeraldspirit681
@svemeraldspirit681 Год назад
Great video and inspirational. I’m trying to build a rig for my canoe. Are you left-handed? I’m just wondering does the rudder, outrigger and lee-board prevent you from paddling that side. Would it be the case that you are better off putting everything on the side that you won’t be paddling in your experience? Or is it a case of when there is no wind you wouldn’t have the bits and bobs set up? Thanks
@johnnyT428
@johnnyT428 Год назад
Thanks. Neither rudder or outrigger interfere with paddling. The rudder being offset is easy to reach for clearing any floating seaweed. It wouldn't work so well on a wider stern but fine on a double ender type and was inspired by offset steering on older vessels. And I didn't want to screw through the epoxy layers on the canoe.
@svemeraldspirit681
@svemeraldspirit681 Год назад
Thanks for that…I do have a ton more questions so I’ll pace myself… Why did you change from your first set of outriggers? They look like it’s simply a wooden pole lagged with pipe lagging? I don’t have any epoxy or plywood lying around so your first outrigger seems like it could be a cheaper option. Thanks
@johnnyT428
@johnnyT428 Год назад
@@svemeraldspirit681 Great question. The first outriggers were great. I've still got them. The canoe sailed fine without any outriggers too. You'll see some vids where it's just the canoe. I then made two purpose built ones, originally planning a tri-configuration again and realised that a single outrigger further out increased the dampening effect sufficiently, and would also offer enough stability if swamped (together with the fore/aft buoyancy in the boat) to keep the boat level. It was also quicker to attach than the original ones.
@svemeraldspirit681
@svemeraldspirit681 11 месяцев назад
Thanks again for the reply. Onto the mast and sail! Roughly how tall is your mast and what sort of area is your sail? Like you I think I'd like to make one rather than buy...
@johnnyT428
@johnnyT428 11 месяцев назад
@@svemeraldspirit681 The mast is the top half of a two-piece windsurfer mast. I'm not sure about mast height or sail area but I'll get my tape measure out a bit later..cheers
@user-oo8xp2rf1k
@user-oo8xp2rf1k 2 года назад
The single outrigger provides stability even when the wind is pushing you over away from it? I'm buying a sail for my old town canoe. So I'm curious about outriggers etc. Love your boat!
@johnnyT428
@johnnyT428 2 года назад
Yes when on a starboard tack the outrigger's weight dampens the heel. The important thing about having one on the boat is if ever swamped or capsized at sea, I have 3 points of buoyancy and stability and will be able to get to calmer waters/bail.
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