Sanctification | Jon Payne 

Are you a Christian anti-Calvinist troll?

Perhaps this will help you a bit. Predestination example 1: Its kind of like this. A man’s wife is finally pregnant and the couple are over joyed. I hope it is a boy the man said and I hope he will be interested in becoming an electrician like me. I also hope he goes into the trade and if he does, I plan for him to take over the family business some day! But I know that these plans that I have made for him, before one of his days of life begin will be entirely up to my son. I cannot force him, I cannot put a gun to his head, I can only encourage and guide him and hope. In other word’s the man has predestined a plan for his son, He has chosen a plan for his son. He has elected to give all this to his son if he so desires it! Outcome 1 The baby is born and it is a boy. He is interested in his fathers work and goes to electrical trade school, but drops out and becomes a lawyer instead. Outcome 2 He drops out of school becomes a bum, a drunk or a murderer etc. Outcome 3 The son follows his fathers predestinated plan, through trade school and takes over his father’s business. The fathers predestined plans for his son will happen, or will not happen, according to the choices the son makes. Its the same with mankind. There is a master plan given to every human being to know God, reach salvation and eternity in Heaven. But to follow or reject the plan is the choice given to every individual. This is the "Good News Gospel" that the Angels proclaimed when the Messiah was born. Satan has attacked that message from the beginning, twisting it into what is now known as Calvinism or the doctrine of election. Predestination example 2: Grandma saves and saves to buy her granddaughter a plane ticket to France. She has been saving for many years and the day finally arrived and she gave her granddaughter her special gift. The granddaughter goes to the airport and asks the attendant which plane to get on. The attendant says, what is your destination on your ticket? He reads the ticket which says “Destination France.” He also said that flight 446 is a modern jet that was especially built and destined by the airline to fly exclusively to France for its entire service life. So, this aircraft has been predestined to fly to a predestined location, France. The girl gets on the plane and is now destined to travel to France on the predestined plane, that has been predestined by its designers, to reach its predestined, destination! This girl will arrive at her predestined trip that her grandmother predestined years before, as long as she goes to the airport, gets on the right plane and stays on the plane! All this took place by the choices the granddaughter made. Predestination example 3: "The man on an island." Imagine a man has been taken to a desolate island with everything he needs to survive and given only a Bible to occupy his time. This man has no preconceived idea about religion so everything he will learn over the next 10 years he will get directly from the Bible and Gods leading. The man accepts God’s plan of salvation and what he has learned from the Bible. He repents and is born again. The Holy Spirit is now counselling the man from the inside. He studies intensely for the 10 years growing in his faith and walking closer and closer with God daily. After 10 years he comes back to the mainland world and decides he needs to fellowship with other Christians as the Bible says he should. The man approaches a number of different churches and looks through the windows from the outside and says to himself “What are they doing in there what are they saying about God? How do you think this man will compare what he knows to be true, from what he sees going on in the mainline churches today? Do you think he will find what the mainline denominations are teaching will be in harmony to what this true follower of Jesus Christ has learned? You know it won’t be! It then occurred to me that I am that man. I became a Christian in the winter of 1980 and didn’t go to any church for 10 years. I studied on my own directly from the Bible. I did go to some Bible studies, but basically learned directly by Gods leading. TRUTH IN LOVE

​@@truth7416 You are spot on. That is what my heart always told me, but doctrines, particularly Calvinism, always seemed to undermine what the Holy Spirit was wanting to show me from the Scriptures.

@@John-Christchurch-NZ Thanks John. I wrote another piece you may also find encouraging. If Calvinism was a tube of tooth paste, do you know what you would get when you squeezed the tube? Out would come: "God doesn't love you" God doesn't want to save you" "But he sure wanted to save me" Then would come the buzz words like "Straw man" " Palagious" " Free Willer" " Romans" "Ephesians" "Jacob I loved and ..." “ common grace” "God wouldn't be God" "Sovereign Grace" "You don't understand Calvinism" ..... Great system don't you think? Well actually Calvinists don't think! They repeat, over and over like a Parrot. John Calvin bans thinking, because that would be a work and we can't have that can we. He does approve chanting his poison doctrines. The dishonesty of Reformed Calvinism context elimination! Example! Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” Romans 9: 11-13 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad-in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: 12not by works but by him who calls-she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.” Romans 9: 11-13 NOTE "Just as it is written!" Well where is it written? It is written in Genesis 25: 23! The Lord said to her, (Rebekah) “Two nations are in your womb, and two peoples from within you will be separated; one people will be stronger than the other, and the older will serve the younger.” Genesis 25: 23 It was talking about nations not individuals! In there lives the older DID NOT serve the younger. But the Nations did! When the Bible referred to Esau and Jacob it was referring to THE NATIONS THEY REPRESENTED NOT THE INDIVIDUALS. But I know your John Calvin training will not allow you to see that. TRUTH IN LOVE 1 Timothy 2:3-6 3 This is good and pleasing in the sight of God our Savior, 4 who wants EVERYONE to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself as a ransom FOR ALL-the testimony that was given at just the right time.

@@truth7416 Agreed. My thoughts on Calvinism: I've finally realized what Calvinism is about, its about defending Calvinism not the Bible. You have to follow their thought process to understand what they believe. If you just read the Bible you never will. It's like going down the rabbit hole, theology in a tube. You can't argue with them, because they can't see out of their hole. The Bible is a Narrative, God's Story, from Genesis all the way through to Revelation. We have an invitation to be part of it. Calvinism is a usurper that tries to impose it's own ideas on to the message, completely ignoring the story.