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Sand Battery Home Heater for Solar? 

mvpmachine
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My attempt at making a small scale sand battery heater, for home use. Feel free to comment.
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@warrensmith8518
@warrensmith8518 8 дней назад
Love this. A man enjoying and sharing the journey. Im constantly impressed by clever people looking to create clever solutions. Keep the videos coming :)
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 8 дней назад
Warren, thank you for watching and for your comments! There are 2 more updates for the heater after this video on our channel it is a work in progress and a final update coming soon.
@HergerTheJoyous
@HergerTheJoyous 4 месяца назад
Nice! I'm going to build one out of a fifty gallon steel drum builders sand and an element from a water heater for the greenhouse.
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 4 месяца назад
I am interested to hear how that works! Thanks for watching!
@RustyShakleford1
@RustyShakleford1 Месяц назад
Did it work??
@HergerTheJoyous
@HergerTheJoyous Месяц назад
@@RustyShakleford1 Haven't had the chance yet...had some health issues that sidelined me bit working in that direction!
@RustyShakleford1
@RustyShakleford1 Месяц назад
@HergerTheJoyous dam same I got tuberculosis and a blood clot . All my projects sidelined the feeling sucks but acceptance of it helped me just enjoy suffering lol. What issues are you dealing with if you care to share it not I wish you healing and love. All the best man
@HergerTheJoyous
@HergerTheJoyous Месяц назад
@@RustyShakleford1I'm sorry brother. I have chronic myeloid leukemia. My spleen was the size of a fat baby! Lol it flattened one of my kidneys and displaced my stomach...so I went from 165 to 125 pretty quickly. I went through chemo about a year ago today and received a stem cell transplant. I'm feeling better but there are good days and bad.
@user-de3ez9lf3e
@user-de3ez9lf3e 2 дня назад
Excellent
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 2 дня назад
Thank you!
@sjdtmv
@sjdtmv 17 дней назад
Nice job
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 16 дней назад
Thanks for watching and commenting Ross!
@dmbrookfield
@dmbrookfield 4 месяца назад
Loved that you referenced Robert :)
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 4 месяца назад
I really like his channels!
@kirkdis
@kirkdis 2 месяца назад
Great setup, great idea!
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 2 месяца назад
Thank you!!!
@LifePrepared
@LifePrepared 4 месяца назад
I really like the look of this and hope you get it scaled in. I am building a tiny camper and was looking at different sand batteries for heating it.
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 4 месяца назад
I think it would be great for a well insulated camper. For 96 watts it throws some impressive heat but still needs work. Thanks for watching!
@Familyadventure369
@Familyadventure369 3 месяца назад
I build 55 gallon drums for our sand batteries that we sell and install here in Massachusetts i have one heating my 3200sqft home and dont use water heater elements its the worst idea use oven elements and exhaust piping for success and hook it all up to solar panels in parallel to a pid unit that feeds ac and dc voltage so in winter if solar is lacking on your property you can heat it with grid power also safely
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 3 месяца назад
That sounds impressive you have anything online so I could look at yours? Thanks, Tim
@gloknor
@gloknor 4 месяца назад
Nice , thanks for posting !
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 4 месяца назад
Thank you for watching!
@snappey
@snappey 28 дней назад
'Desert sun 02' has also made plenty of these with different ideas and parts. I'd recommend an aluminium pot filled with sand and perhaps a thermostat, but on a cold day who cares right?! I like in your idea the tube being flat as you could use it to heat things on top like a stove. Was also going to say that heat rises, but given you have an aluminium conductor shouldn't be much of a problem reaching the sand. Maybe you could sandwich these to make array's. Nice build.
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 27 дней назад
I tried the buckets it is hard to get meaningful heat unless your are in the desert 😏. It is a good way to test the theory but a bad way to get heat. In my opinion it must be contained so you can control the heat more effectively. By containing it you allow the entire volume of sand which in my case is pure silica which it mostly quarts a very effective heat transfer media, to entirely heat up and transfer that heat to the outside. I have 2 other follow up videos to this one where I have made some considerable modifications to help the heat come out but still get the sand benifits. Thank you for watching and commenting!
@howyadoin2great415
@howyadoin2great415 4 месяца назад
Hi this looks great, I've got a off grid property in Ontario and have to bring in drinking water in 250 gallon totes well insulated on a trailer. this can safely keep my tanks from freezing in the winter with no maintenance and not touching my camp power. I'm keeping this on hand
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 4 месяца назад
I have a friend with a 4ft x 4ft x 4ft well house he wants one badly as soon as I get the details worked out, it should keep it from freezing. Thanks for watching, and commenting!
@dmbrookfield
@dmbrookfield 4 месяца назад
You can get heating cable it's water proof it's used in greenhouses as well as tanks for snakes etc They're really cheap £20 for 3 m and 12V float it just below the surface and it'd stop it from freazing
@shinigamilee5915
@shinigamilee5915 27 дней назад
I'm a physicist and engineer, so I thought I'd ask if you have considered using a water vapor system where the vapor can be used to transfer the heat to the sand. That way you won't burn out the heating elements.
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 27 дней назад
Hi, thank you for watching and commenting, there are 2 more videos after this one that show some evolution in my design, I am not opposed to any technolgy that will make it work better but as a rule I do want to keep it as simple as possible. I am not at all familiar with what you proposed but would like to hear more. I do not really like the sound of it though because the key to the silica sand, made up of mostly quarts is that it has to be completely dry to be effective, otherwise the heat is wasted boiling off the moisture. Many people I see experimenting with these just use plain old sand and it is not effective. Quarts is an excellent conductor of heat and I am using as a thermal conductor as much as I am using as a thermal mass. I think you mean adding another type of heat exchanger and that seems to complicated for this.
@codym7960
@codym7960 Месяц назад
i cant image this doing much more then 1hour or so . i would think you would need at least 500-1000lbs of sand media to make it worth while and most likely really need at least a 1 ton or more . very cool machining and worksmen ship though . hopefully you plan to scale it up to a decent sand volume . can you put higher voltage and lower the amperage to be less stress on the heating pads ?
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine Месяц назад
Cody, thanks for watching and commenting! There are 2 more updates on this heater on my channel. I am not only using the sand for storage but also for a thermal transfer media. The third video kind of shows best what this has evolved to so far.
@niranjan704
@niranjan704 4 месяца назад
Cool! Maybe instead of puttin half sand put a temperature cutoff in heat sinks. So if you hit set temps it'll cut off & cool down. Then when its low enough it will turn back on? It'll also conserve some energy that can go into your solar batteries while its cooling.
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 4 месяца назад
Not a bad idea, thank you for watching and commenting. I am exploring all options and that is a possible solution
@algie3673
@algie3673 4 месяца назад
Im new to all of this and getting invested in the whole sand battery idea, how would a water heater element or a stove heating element work in something like that?
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 4 месяца назад
I have heard of people doing that if you look at Robert Murray Smiths Channel in the UK he tried that: www.youtube.com/@ThinkingandTinkering I wanted something low current so I could power it from solar, and you would need quite a lot of solar power to heat with a water heater element.
@r0hit16
@r0hit16 Месяц назад
I wonder if it’s a better idea to use resistance wires for heating instead of these PTC heaters like other videos show on you tube.
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine Месяц назад
Im not sure I went to a submersion type heater in video 3 for this heater, I like that a lot better than the PTC elements. Now I just have to install a controller. Thanks for watching!
@dmbrookfield
@dmbrookfield 4 месяца назад
As a question you have alot of thermal transfer on that, which makes me wonder if that is that the issue? ir the fit isn't tight enough, if it was a tighter fit you'd have better transfer? Just a thought..
@MrSjseely
@MrSjseely 4 месяца назад
This is my thought a lot of thermal paste isn't related for temperatures that high so once the thermal paste bakes. There isn't enough thermal transfer to the aluminum before the device bakes
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 4 месяца назад
Its hard to say but the fit on the actual thermistor to the flat aluminium tube it is supplied with is quite loose. I thought about removing that flat tube and making the pocket of the heat exchangers fit the thermistor ( or PTC element) more tightly, but to me the issue seems to be trapping too much heat in the enclosure. The sand gets too hot and cannot remove the heat fast enough so the PTC elements overheat. I may remake the heat exchangers to work from the exterior bottom of the unit to see what happens.
@jd01665
@jd01665 Месяц назад
Looks nice. Why not use bitcoin mining servers? Then you will be using the heat and also getting BTC?
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine Месяц назад
Wouldn't the server use a ton of power though, kind of the opposite of what I was going for. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@jd01665
@jd01665 Месяц назад
@@mvpmachine Yes, but since you are running this on solar, do you really care how much energy you are using? In fact, I'm looking to accomplish a few things: 1) Setup an energy storage of heat for the winter months. 2) Use solar to feed that storage system. 3) Get paid for doing it but not from pumping it to the electrical grid where I have to sign a contract with my local government. Instead, I want to get paid by a distributed network for mining crypto. So, I was thinking of how to store the energy from the BTC servers while I store the money at the same time, and just pay back the server investment over time by saving on my energy bill and also diversifying my capital investments.
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine Месяц назад
@@jd01665 It sounds like it could work but setup cost is going to be huge and it is not a sure thing as crypto has proven to be a bit risky. I would thing proving the crypto model you are thinking of would be the first step then after that works using the heat could be invested in with the profits. Waste heat is the best use for a sand battery.
@vaibhavrratnaparkhi
@vaibhavrratnaparkhi 2 месяца назад
Any new updates ?
@mvpmachine
@mvpmachine 2 месяца назад
Hi the video you commented on was the first of 3, there are 2 more after this one, and one final update coming soon.. Thanks for watching!
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