Sandy Irvine & the Camera Were Discovered? Mark Synnott's Revealing Intel  

So true, they were endeavoring to do things that make one shudder. Incredible individuals who for all time will inspire others to push their boundaries.... Cheers and thank you!

Mallory did, a snow bridge maid it possible. Sadly ,he forgot the flares. The first since The Younger Dryas Flood, and as writing didn't exist back then, the rest do NOT count. Just Mallory does. But, it'll be shown in a few more years.

Well said and me to!!

@@snowcreek7156 Your father was a man after my own heart, GM had a picture of his wife and he said he would leave it on the top of Everest and when they found his body they went through the papers he had and there was no photo of his beloved wife amongst them. Could that be because he left it on the summit? I think so. My other heroes are Ernest Shackleton and Bobby Charlton, eclectic mix I know, but they are all really good men in my world. At school there was only ever Captain Scot, no mention of ES, why?

@@snowcreek7156 thank you!

Thank you so much for sharing, and I love to hear that your dad was a storyteller of all things Everest...'mad keen'! I pray that your hopes about them are true, that they succeeded in reaching the top only to perish upon their descent.

@@EverestMystery I love adventures but I've never attempted summits despite Etna Volcano (3400). but there is a kind of desire inside me to go to everest . I've been in Nepal and watching it from far made me feel I wanted to try . who knows do you think I could try after some year of preparation ? I'm a video maker and I would love shooting a new documentary

your father was the best and because people like him many of our dream on making adventures

Statistically more people die descending from the summit. My Dad was also obsessed with all those guys plus the ones who went to the poles.

What a wonderful story and cool way to be tied forever into the lore of these adventures and explorations. Yes, upon the queen's coronation (I'm not sure if the date was exact) 29 May 1953, news reached England of Hillary and Tenzing's success. That your dad held dear to the Mallory and Irvine story is beautiful. Their names and legacy lives! Many thanks for taking the time to share with us.

@@EverestMystery Hi Tom, your filming of the discovery of George Mallory is my all time favourite, I still have the news paper cuttings I saved when the discovery of George & Sandy was put to print. Regarding the date in 1953, we held our Hamlets celebrations and grandad's story was held at a later date than our village one, so, yes it would have been after the Queens coronation.

Messner claimed they couldn’t have managed the final bit, cause of having ‘hobnailed boots’ as I recall. But one can look at the published photos of Mallory’s skeletal feet in his boots. And those boots dont look hobnailed to me. They have significantly angled deep rubber grips at their base. They would hold in snow. Presumably pre-crampon style. Mallory could certainly have climbed those steps in those boots, as he was a gifted climber. And I believe (without having been there) that they could also have sufficed for the final ridge. I tend to think they made it. Regards

Totally agree....things were different then. I do wish they'd returned to tell the tale, whether they made it or not. Thanks for watching the video!

I have the book. Lost On Everest. In Search Of Mallory and Irving. These two climbers make my heart sing. Everytime ❤

Mallory and Irvine accomplished something remarkable. It is tragic that they were unable to reach their high camp upon their descent. I appreciate that you stopped by. You comment is spot on. Thank you!

Maybe of relevance: most deaths are not going up, but coming down (er ... trying to come back down). So if you go with probabilities based on past data points, they both died on the way down.

These old adventurers had something that today is a mirage to see. Just think about Shackleton in 1915

I thought at least one early Chinese group claim to have seen a body on the North approach and nobody confirmed it, as nobody mentioned it again? But it's some time since I read anything in M&I.

@@EverestMystery Fascinating. I'm sure you've heard that Messner is adamant that given the techniques and equipment of the day, summiting would simply have been impossible for M&I. I think his opinion carries considerable weight given his familiarity with Everest and his own habit of doing the seemingly impossible. Curious what other Everest alumni think.

Yes, that is a shared belief....love it. Cheers

Same here. I have no doubt they made it up there

I completely agree 👍

It's possible one or both made it to the top. But there's a possible explanation as to why the photograph was not in Mallory's possession when they found him. He didn't die immediately from the fall. It's conceivable that as he Lay Dying he was looking at the picture of his wife. The wind carried the picture away

@@D1it4FN That'd be a plausible scenario for a mild fall, but he had trauma to the head i think i read that his ice pick axe made blow to his head in the fall. He would have lost consciousness on impact. Therefore his wife's picture would have been taken out long before that moment or long after by someone else.

It's a pleasure having you here, thank you for taking the time to comment! And, Welcome!

The film was blanc. So nobody had made pictures with it.

If there was anything retrievable on it.

It might be impossible to verify it is the same camera if there are others like it circulating. Who knows, they could acquire another and try to sell it to you. Who knows?

The film should have been sent to NASA or the FBI. Nitrate film is very fragile and brittle, especially after a long time.

@@marguskiis7711 I thought the Chinese said nothing was on it,but maybe it was ruined developing and looked blank after trying??

Mike, thank you so much for the comment.....I agree with you on all counts. I appreciate that you took the time to share your thoughts, and really glad that you added to the thread of those believing the ridge could have been possible. Cheers and thanks again!

Thank you for watching!

Great insight that I agree with on all accounts. Being the thorough researcher that he is, Mark will find a way to have a look at the camera (wherever it may be), and take this information and bring it to fact. Definitely, the one thing I've said since the beginning (for me, at least, 1999) that I hope the mystery is never solved. Eternal myths stoke the human soul with inspiration and wonder. Thank you for watching!

@@EverestMystery Anyway, there's a lot of puzzle pieces that needs to be put in place.What kind of camera is the one in the chinese museum? If it's a VPK something in the "borrowed camera theory" does not seem to fit well with reality, otherwise if it's any different kind of camera it becomes very interesting.If they said that someone buried the corpse with rocks, I'd rather think about someone else who could deliberately make a huge effort at 8200m to remove rocks and rolld own Irvine, probably the body is still there, but unseen by many because buried under rocks.That's why nobody have ever seen it yet since that year.Another topic should be the awareness of chinese about the '24 attempt: did they know at that time enough infos about that? Or they just found an "english dead" and they took the camera just for curiosity, knowing better all the story behind during the following decades? Time will tell

@@davebass-76 Great comment and great points. Hopefully, time will tell! The search continues... Thank you!

@@EverestMystery Whilst I do love the concept of eternal mystery, I also hope for you to discover the missing pieces of the puzzle. You and your team have been instrumental in reviving the whole debate - and since 1999 there have been more questions unanswered than ever! Finding Irvine has been on the minds of many of us - his whereabouts has been THE burning question ever since.. And your information has... Well, I would say it has 'more promise' than anything else has in 23 years. Best wishes on your journey! : )

It's clearly subdiffuge. In the only recorded interview, with the Economist, Duo denied there being a camera. She said it was a foreigner with a yellow tent: 1. I believe the 1924 expedition had green tents 2. Odell went up camp 6 twice and never mentioned a tent being missing. And there was no reason to take a tent to the summit.

Glad you enjoy it! Yes, the armchair mountaineers are the ones truly keeping this alive. Thank you for sharing your thoughts! Stay tuned for more soon....

Jane, thank you. You have some good reading material there! I appreciate your comments and hope you'll check in with me after you read them all, especially The Third Pole. Cheers!

Yes, that might be the case.... 1999 was an incredible year to visit on the Nepal side. I have an interview coming out soon about the developing of the film. Cheers and thank you!

@@EverestMystery i expect that modern techniques would obtain some more data off the films. I wonder if the film will be released for more study.

I wouldnt put it past the CCP to have given them orders to toss the body off the Mountain so no one could ever prove he summitted. They want to be the first, period.

Summit rocks in the pocket. That would do.

I completely agree with you. Times have sure changed! Glad you’re here ~ thank you!

We shall never know for sure but one could speculate that they reached the top. It would be reasonable to surmise that they were exhausted, given the rigours of the altitude, by the ascent and, on the descent, Irvine perished first and Mallory made it a bit further down before he too succumbed. As you point out, statistically, they are more likely to have perished on the descent so I too hope they summited.

Irvine

I hope so, as well. Thank you for watching!

Thank you Bryan, much appreciated. I'm glad you stopped by and really appreciate your comment.

It's clearly subdiffuge. In the only recorded interview, with the Economist, Duo denied there being a camera. She said it was a foreigner with a yellow tent: 1. I believe the 1924 expedition had green tents 2. Odell went up camp 6 twice and never mentioned a tent being missing. And there was no reason to take a tent to the summit.

For sure, check the vid I posted recently about the camera(s), and another soon about the viability of developing the film

It's clearly subdiffuge. In the only recorded interview, with the Economist, Duo denied there being a camera. She said it was a foreigner with a yellow tent: 1. I believe the 1924 expedition had green tents 2. Odell went up camp 6 twice and never mentioned a tent being missing. And there was no reason to take a tent to the summit.

@@josm1481 that's the entire point of the video, that her story was changed.

@@EverestMystery the point you're missing is there is it's only hearsay she changed her story. Her only recorded story says they didn't find a camera.

@@EverestMystery so, if I told you a Greek diplomat in the 80's told me he met a taverna owner in Santorini that said he was Jim Morrison. Got no evidence but trust me. You went and interviewed the taverna owner who tells you he isn't. You better believe me because I've claimed it was from a diplomat and what reason would he have to lie to me?

They definitely didn't do it out of respect. They most likely did it to maintain the claim that their 1960 expedition was the first to summit via the North Face. However: Mallory and Irvine didn't do it with a fucking ladder.

Some say they only found a body and a tent (so others may have found it before and items may have been taken), others say the camera currently resides in a Chinese mountaineering museum, but there was no film in it. In either case we'll never know.

Would not be surprised

How are they gonna bury a body in a frozen tundra of rock, in the death zone, on an official summit. Yeah right. Lies from the Chinese, they are professional liars.

@@MrBassOutdoors all they have to do is move the body away from commonly searched areas. nobody's wandering far from the established routes that far up.

Michael, thanks so much for taking the time to write...I really appreciate it. You are a true Mystery of Mallory & Irvine person, with an understanding of the nuances of it all. Hopefully, there is more on the channel here for you to dive into for more intel on the overall story. Cheers my friend and thanks again!

I doubt that the photo will show up. The wind will have taken it away at the summit; but the fact that it wasn’t on him makes his complete ascent quite probable.

nice input micheal. i absolutely think they made it too. the damn chinese found sandy the camera and all his belongings and took them back home with them they kept it a secret to see if they can develop the film. now if they did successfully develop it and found that their was summit pictures they did not destroy it but stored and hid it somewhere in china. now if when they developed it and seen that they didn’t make the summit they would of revealed to the world like “hey look mallory and sandy didn’t make it using the northside of the mountain but we did”. i will stand on this until this mystery is solved i hope one day it is. M & I made it.

Wait how do “we know the film didn’t develop? If that film had developed with pics of a summit it seems that’s the best thing to say to keep the cover up going. ESP bc it gives plausible deny ability to people being asked to keep their mouth shut bc now it’s ‘no big deal’ and Lying about it only hides a mistake by your nation and not a total coverup..

Thank you! I have always maintained (I'm not alone in this) that regardless of the outcome, their's should go down as one of the great mountaineering feats in history. Thanks for watching!

I agree with you.

@@bobmcrae5751 when one goes to great lengths to accomplish something small or extreme they do deserve credit. Unlike such ordinary trolls 🧌 with their unimaginative remarks in the familiar comment section.

Apparently two facts might back their success anyway: Mallory did not have his wife's photo in his pocket (he said he would leave it on the summit). Ok this might have been dislodged during his violent fall. Mallory's goggles were in his pocket, why would they be there unless he was decending at a later/darker time of the day? Circumstantial but tantalising ☺ I think they did it.

@@fayeyother7336 So if people don't agree with you, you call them names. Classless and clueless.

This is a great comment thank you for watching. I hope you enjoy some of the other content here :)

From a non climber who has seen Everest from the base and also from a 6000m distant vantage point and the window of aircraft, can assure you it is something to see, even if only once.

Thank you, I appreciate that. I'm definitely not the final authority of this topic. There are many other people who grasp the details and facts in ways that, frankly, I don't have the wherewithal to ingest. Although I've personally had a part in some of the events, I have a hard time keeping up with all the information. Therefore, I just ask the experts and let them do the talking! Thank you for watching!

Thank you Claire for watching!

I believe the reason it did not is an ominous sign of the power china is exercising over western medias (which we know are a homongenous monopoly run by financial parasites who made their fortune ripping off western middle class by forcing corporation to outsource to China and these thugs are still very much invested in China). So it would explain the conflict of interest and the reason the media gagged that news.

Absolutely, even if the film is completely destroyed, can you imagine seeing THEE camera? More than I can imagine....

Yes, I think Mark and many of those who have done the deep dive on the mystery feel that one can never count M&I out from making the summit....but, that it becomes clear that we may never know, thus echoing your sentiments. Thank you for watching!

Without returning back alive the summit is pointless anyway.

@@marguskiis7711 If they did make it to the top and died on the way down it doesn’t take away that they were the first on top.

@@raymondcava4669 no proof anyway

If we are going to theorize, I wouldn't count on it as if they were the first ever to do it either if they did it. We don't know if some long lost sherpa or someone else did before them. Without evidence maybe even the yeti did it first. The point is, without evidence it doesn't matter. They tried and they went far. That's all that matters. And to go as far as they did at the time they did is pretty much a crazy feat. That in itself is enough. With that said, the first ones to make it all the way up and down (how it counts) in recent history that we know of are Sir Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay. @@raymondcava4669

Thank you for watching and thank you for sharing your thoughts! I'm glad you watched and hope to bring more on this someday as things unfold....

I agree with you. Thank you for watching. I'll hope to give a platform for others to share their research on this topic, in hopes that occasionally some will check out other offerings on this channel and perhaps watch the interviews with the journalists from Ukraine, for instance. Thank you for taking the time to comment.

I will say that the Dizknee production did a good job of showing the actual search that Mark did. If you were to only watch Renan’s film you would think that Mark walked ten feet from the fixed lines then turned back. Otherwise yeah, like 90% of Nat Geo’s films are so surface level they are best used as middle school tv day fodder. It’s not the fault of the climbers that Nat Geo edits their films to death and then refuse to release the extra footage/drone footage, or even discuss what wasn’t shown in the final edit.

@@ericclaptonsrobotpilot7276 absolutely, the films can only show much. The deep dive is Mark's book (which I unfortunately make nothing from promoting :) )

@@EverestMystery Greetings from VT. I just happened upon this and what you and Mark have done here is much appreciated. On consideration it's not surprising that the media wouldn't pick this up. The last thing they are going to do is appreciate a historic mystery for what it is. If you and Mark were dishonest about it and said that you had 'solved the mystery at last', I'm sure you could have gotten plenty of play. That's the way of things in that exquisitely superficial world. I will try to check in to THQ in the future- thank you both. Tashi deleg- jh

@@jamesharvey8835 greetings from New Hampshire! Thank you! For sure, the mystery is far from solved. I have more coming soon to satiate those interested in this fascinating story.

It's possible...having been the one to look in all of the front pockets, there were no stones there. But, that still leaves Sandy, as well as any pockets that might have been exposed to the wind and elements. There are so many little details that we can't quite fill in. Thank you for watching!

@@EverestMystery That's a burning question I've wanted to know the answer to ever since I first saw the video of Mallory's discovery, but have always thought it too delicate to ask. So I'm indebted to you for the answer, and to 'Phil' for having asked it. It's just something I probably would have done myself, so it's not unreasonable to believe that either Irvine or Mallory might have done the same. Thank you so much for sharing your POV and further information .. We can't ever know for certain without factual evidence, but I think that many who are interested in the subject have arrived at the same conclusions that you have, even if their opinions are based on far less knowledge & research - much less without having conducted physical searches as you have. This information is of vital importance to all who hold an interest in the subject, and for whatever reasons (mine is an historical perspective, btw) and it should not to be hidden from the world as this information has the potential to rewrite the history books! Nor should it be scoffed at purely to discredit yourself nor the validity of the information itself (Eg, the detractor in the commentary to whom you so kindly responded to -- nicely handled, btw!) Why those who claim to have discovered Irvine and his infamously missing camera would choose to cover up their findings is beyond me.. What purpose does it serve not to share such a discovery of such vital importance with the world? But you ARE sharing it, and in doing so I hope that it finds fertile ground for discussion on a much broader scale and prompts our Eastern friends to divulge the camera's location and other important information about the discovery of its owner - and what they did with his earthly remains. Thank you again : )

@@j.whiteoak6408 thank you for the reply, and a couple other thank yous in there, too. My opinion doesn't mean any more than the next person's. So, I'm sharing what I have and asking people like Jochen and Mark, etc., to share their information. I really don't know....but it's so damn interesting, how two people could walk right into their ending and have it fascinate people living 100 years later. That's something. Cheers!

@@EverestMystery Indeed, Thom! I await further discovery with baited breath, and I am most certainly not alone. It seems that you have set your own targets, and I wish you every best wish for your journey... It won't be a simple one, but I'm more than willing to send more than just a few prayers in your direction - so that your devoted viewers and detractors alike (!!!) might also learn the truth of the matter in due course. I truly admire a dog with a bone, and a man with point to prove! Kindest regards, J. WHITEOAK

Another point that the Chinese(CCP) are NOT our friends. But some people just have blinders on. Probably because they are collecting a paycheck from them. Disgusting!!

You very well could be correct! Mark's story is one scenario...albeit with a couple different anonymous people weighing separately with the same story. Hopefully, we will learn the truth someday. Thank you for watching!

One way or the other, he was almost surely on the way down....however, did he make it to the summit first, is the question we would love to answer. Thank you for watching!

even to get to the slope was quite insane with the equipment at the time

You're welcome, I'm glad you found the video and happy to hear from you. Cheers

Annoying that if Chinese found body of Irvine and retrieved his camera, that they would keep this discovery to themselves.

It's wonderful having you here. Thank you for taking the time to let us know your thoughts. I'm truly grateful :)

Thank you! Great to have you here. You might enjoy this conversation about whether the film could be developed if we found it: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7aUOsdlHFxM.html

I appreciate that you stopped by and took the time to share your thoughts. Thank you!

Good take! Thank you.

While not conclusive, a clever little hypothesis indeed!

A great point not made before to my knowledge

Ah but it endures :) did they make it to the summit? We may never know. Thank you for watching!

Absolutely right on! Thank you for watching!

Thank you for writing...I truly appreciate it. I am pretty sure that if someone makes a comment, they can personally go in and delete any replies to that comment. I recall an exchange like that....and definitely would have made a mistake to remove any of those comments. I've never really discussed what happened at the site of GLM, and add now that the fact we covered him with rocks was a request by the families of both M&I.... Granted, we were not professionals, and could have done better. However, given that GLM's body was frozen as solid as a rock, no amount of rocks would ever compress or mash it. This was a somber event in all our lives, not one of us wasn't shedding tears in full awareness at the importance of our respect. I hope you'll stick around...but would understand whatever you decided to do. I've spoken often about the ruthlessness of the commenters, most of them with user names that protect their identity. Actually, if someone skewered me or my video and used their own name, I'd respect that. But, a guy named 22 Legged Sasquatch basically releases any semblance of consideration with a name that hides the identity (although I do like that name lol). In the About section you can find my email address. Drop me a line. I'm happy to chat out of view. Cheers and thank you for writing back, -Thom

I'm happy to have you here....there's a bunch more on the channel that might interest you. Thank you for commenting and for being here!

That's really cool to hear....I truly would love to visit that area someday in the future. It doesn't appear to be in the cards at this moment. I can readily understand how you would feel a kinship for them. Cheers and thank you for watching!

Somehow I forgot about this comment....wondering if you could reach out to me via email or start another comment so I could get more information. Darn interesting story!

LIfe is full of goodness...granted, there is darkness out there. However, it's merely a matter of choice to go with the former! Super stoked you enjoyed this. Thank you my friend!

@@EverestMystery absolutely! And thank YOU for this wonderful update to this mystery

Yes! I think that most of us want to place them on the summit. I pray we can someday find conclusive evidence that would put them there... Thanks for watching. Stay tuned for more, very soon!

I'm glad you brought up Maurice Wilson...I'm working on a video about him, an interview style....which will pay homage to him. Cheers and thank you for sharing your great story. I appreciate that you took the time to write. Thank you

@@EverestMystery You must also be familiar with the Earl Denman Everest expedition in 1947 with just two Sherpas, one of them being none other than the great Tenzing Norgay. Another great story told in Denman's book "Alone to Everest", except he wasn't actually alone of course. At least he and the Sherpas survived. LATER: Today whilst moving books to enable me to do some painting and decorating I came across "I'll Climb Mount Everest Alone" and "Alone To Everest". I had thought that they were lost, given away, or sold at some point. A few nights of bedtime reading ahead of me. Good Karma or what?

You might enjoy this, from our 1999 expedition: www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/everest/lost/search/camera.html

I doubt that information was available outside of the west at the time.

@@lhaviland8602knowing how important it was though wouldn’t have reached out to the maker to make sure you didn’t screw it up

Thank you Alex, for sure! Mark is as surprised as I am that more entities didn't reach out to him for more information and further intel. Let this be the first!

@@EverestMystery I think there may be a surge in interest coming up. Maybe a follow up book, doco etc??

@@alexk2652 Perhaps.... Thanks dude!

Many thanks! Yes, you nailed it: with the picture missing, they get the benefit of the doubt. Cheers!

@@EverestMystery A possible scenario is that Mallory realized he was dying without summiting, and removed the photo from his wallet to view in his last moments. (Subsequently it could easily have been blown away.)

@@kilroy1964 so, so true....I have seen this thought before and honestly feel that it's something to consider! Thank you!

You're definitely correct that this isn't the first time we've heard these stories about the body being discovered. We had many conversations about this during our 2019 expedition, and, as we were there on a full budget to go find Sandy, essentially hoped they were untrue (the body being removed). Mark was contacted by a gentleman whom I interviewed here on this channel some weeks later, and the exact story was retold, although from different sources. I guess Mark began to see the possible truth behind Sandy being removed. Thanks for watching, I hope you can find your way back here again (in the madness that is RU-vid!). Cheers

Your passion for dog rescue is something of great importance, thanks for doing it!

I think you are right....it's like a ghost....

Thank you! Love the comment, I appreciate that you've taken the time to share your thoughts....

@@EverestMystery, I have no doubt that Mallory reached the summit. I have heard Conrad Anker say he feels the Hillary step would have been to technical for Mallory with 1924 equipment and such. Loved the book, just wondering if Michael Tracey has done a review of The Third Pole ?.......Thank you.

Thanks so much, I'm glad you enjoyed it!

Truth!

I truly hope you are correct! Thank you for the kind and encouraging words.... Cheers!

Thank you for dropping by and for your awesome comment. I appreciate it. I agree on all accounts. If Mark does find out what museum it is, I for one hope to be with him when he goes. China is a big country, though! The videos will indeed keep coming.....I have interviews scheduled and will deliver soon. How cool you've done such climbing in Scotland. My ancestry is super strong from there...and I intend to visit someday. Cheers.

@@EverestMysterythanks for the very quick reply. Even better that the both of you do the China trip, two pairs of eyes are better than one. I really hope it works out. That’s great news about the videos too. You definitely should visit Scotland, especially since you have ancestry there. It’s such a beautiful country, particularly the Highlands. I have climbed predominantly on the West Coast, Isle of Skye etc, it’s magical. My dad is Scottish so he introduced me to Scotland at a very young age. Imagine making a video about your trip to Scotland, that would be awesome! All the best.

What do you mean "how could the Chinese do that"??? Maybe, just maybe, they had no idea, or, if they did, a different perspective on the importance of, finding the body??? You can't automatically assume there was bad intent in their part!

@@anovemberstar The Chinese climbers? Maybe not any intent on their part. The Chinese government? Yah, I could see possible intent on their part.

"How could the Chinese do this and not say a word about it?" They were a hermit kingdom at the time and I doubt they wanted anyone poking at a story that could award the first ascent of the north face to westerners. I doubt this story will go further for a long time since they've basically closed the county again.

Many thanks for your kind comments, it means a ton. Wishing you the best from New Hampshire

Truth....yes, it would be frozen in place and would have required considerable effort to move it...

@@EverestMystery I don't see the logic of the theory they trundled it over the edge. Seems more likely the body is still in place, perhaps under rocks.

I'm glad you found this channel, thank you for being here! I welcome you to check out some of the other video on this channel and please let me know what you think!

@@EverestMystery I have started. Got a bunch up. So far so good. :)

Well said! Love it....

Mike, I appreciate your thoughts on this. Personally, I feel nothing but gratitude for all the experiences I've had in searching. It has brought me so many wonderful friendships and experiences, bonds and relationships that will accompany me to my final day. Nothing was forced on me. I was the one who made the choices about it....I could have called Tom Holzel a mad scientist and laughed it off. But, I'm just this side of crazy myself and was intrigued. Mark Synnott and I visited Tom and we became intoxicated with the idea of another search (literally and metaphorically lol). Truly, I feel nothing but gratitude. The steering wheel has always been in my hands. Even for those who have intended to harm me or discredit me, I just say thanks. Everything I experience is currency for maybe someday being a wise old man. Thank you Mike, I appreciate you and your thoughts. Cheers.

Consider this further proof that the Chinese government ruins everything it touches. (Not that anyone should need any more such proof of course).

He certainly has a gift.... Thank you for watching!

You expect Chyna to actually give a f*** ?

@@donaldoehl7690 no, doesn’t change my opinion on whether I think it would be good or not.

What do you think??? They want to keep that victory to themselves. The Chinese would never forfeit that accolade!

I wouldn't trust the CCP on this one iota, I can well believe they'd keep it secret if indeed they did find it.

It's clearly subdiffuge. In the only recorded interview, with the Economist, Duo denied there being a camera. She said it was a foreigner with a yellow tent: 1. I believe the 1924 expedition had green tents 2. Odell went up camp 6 twice and never mentioned a tent being missing. And there was no reason to take a tent to the summit.

It would be awesome to learn you are correct! Thank you for watching!

The photo does it for me as well...

I wonder if you are right. It’s a tantalising question isn’t it. Will we ever know!

​@@EverestMystery If they did make it to the top - wouldn't they have marked their achievement with a flag, stack of rocks, message or something? If they took a camera for proof, they would have marked the spot in some way surely.

I think they summitted too and fell on the descent

Also it's just too difficult and dangerous to remove them off the mountain. People have died in expeditions to remove bodies. Once you get yo a certain point on the mountain it's pretty much everyone for themselves.

I tend to agree with you....although more and more are being removed. They are a good reminder

Maybe this idea could be used in traffic signs and road speed warnings too ? Dead bodies, mangled and beyond recognition preserved in resin, atop poles along highways and other major roads?

For sure, this being a 12 minute interview, there are a lot of stones yet to be turned over. Let's get on that memo! Thanks for watching....

That photograph would be amazing to see, cover of every newspaper in the world kind of thing. I'd love to see it, too!

Could be right....I appreciate the insight on what might have happened...

Exceptional insight into the camera, thank you. Honestly, I'm not the one with the intel to report on the camera models. However, I've heard some conversation relating to this. I'll be speaking with Jochen Hemmleb soon and will indeed post the interview here. Thank you for watching and for your comments.

Great! I’ll look forward for the interview. Thank you for posting this very interesting video. Also I have to say that the one who found out all those details about the camera is Michael Tracy, who recently made video about it.

Everybody is lying or falling for rumors and Ankar desecrated Mallory's body. This has turned into a middle school drama.

@@washburnb1 you're right about the middle school drama. Many children have come forth. My Norton Couloir video addresses that very thought.

@@EverestMystery Mallory and Irving had enough oxygen to make it both ways. The weather was not "a storm" and their climbing rate per thousand feet was very fast compared to some. Modern climbers are no faster. The under pinnacle traverse was slower but safer than top of pinnacles and the photo of Malloroy's wife was not found, which he would have left on the summit. They made it and fell on way down and fell separately. Chinese did not know anything..Those down sloping slabs are hard class 4 and 5.1 and easy to fall. Yup.They made it.

Right on! So true....I agree with you. Yes, a summit photo in white out conditions is basically a photo in white out conditions....so, even a 'summit' photo might not tell us much. Anything they carried to the summit would have blown away in hours let alone months or years. They are legends, indeed...and gave their lives for it. Cheers!

A photo of the summit at least would show the trigonometry tripod or not.

Coming back down alive is just a convention in awarding someone the peak. So Mallory was the first up there to me. Requiring survival doesn't seem to apply to caving or cave diving in acknowledging the achievement. What if you had to come back from an expedition or war alive, for it to be validated. Actually I found descending snow steps to be so slippery and freaky, I stayed on my snowboard.

Hillary's clothes and body?

I think he means Mallory.

I think you’ve got your wires crossed a bit bud!

Thank you Charles, much appreciated....

That was Mallory. Then the American climbers who found his remains piled rocks and scree on him in some macabre burial thing. Pissed off a lot of people who would have liked to investigate the scene and remains.

Super glad you enjoyed it! You went for the deep dive into the topic....pretty cool story. Thanks for reaching out!

I've got a great interview coming out in the next day or so....more light on the subject. Stay tuned. Thanks for dropping by!

@@EverestMystery am hanging out for this one. Suspense is killing me.

My pleasure! Thank you for being here!

Thank you for sharing that story about your grandfather. Fascinating! On a personal level, having discovered something of his after 60 years is very much of Everest proportions. I agree, actually, that continuing to search is the only way to go. Until we have literal proof, no story, no matter how many people back it up, is final. Thank you for sharing your story with us. Cheers

Thanks a lot. If you want to know what happened with this car, here is the story: It began with my own first car finally breaking down after 26 years. I needed a new one, but me being me I would not just walk to the next car dealer and buy something. It had to "fit", if that makes any sense. I had a lot of trouble to decide and my family couldn't give me any real inspiration either since we all have a different taste when it comes to that kind of stuff. When I talked about it with my Mom one day she said: "You are even worse when it comes to your car than your Grandpa." When I asked what she meant she showed me an old photo of my Grandpa in younger years standing proudly beside this gigantic, dark monstrosity of a car. It was a black and white photo, but I later learned that the car was actually a dark blue Mercedes. He looked like a chauffeur waiting for the president. My Mom told me that he bought the car some time after WW2 and that it was his most priced possession. Something he had gone through a lot of trouble to get his hands on. And then one day he had to make a decision. My Grandfather got the oportunity to open up his own business. But he needed to finance the whole endeavour, so he reluctantly sold his car, a decision that apparently kept annoying him for a very long time. You see, my Grandpa used to tell me stories when I was a child. Often it was the classics, like Red Riding Hood and the Big Bad Wolf, etc., just that he used to spice things up a bit. For example the hunter in his version of the story used to drive a particular car....... which I realized was actually his own old car. He still thought back to this thing after decades had already passed. I was hooked. My Grandpa passed away in the 80s, but I had this idea of trying to track down what happened to his car and, if it still existed, to get it for myself. The problem was that my leads were rather..... let's call them "minimal". My Grandma had also passed away when I began my search and there were no papers left. No entries in any registers, no information whatsoever. The only thing I had was the adress of the house where the people lived to whom my Grandpa sold the car since my Mom actually remembered where it was. Now, after 60 years that is indeed not much of a lead. What I could do was really just to drive to that house, which was not too far away from my own house, and ask around. And that is what I did. I didn't really think that I'd learn anything from this. After all 60 years are a long time. And there was indeed no one in that house who could provide any information. It was about as much as I expected. At that point I was ready to give up. There was simply no way to find out anything anymore. I considered the car as lost for good. But this is where the story gets weird. Enter Eleanore..... A few days later I was approached by an elderly woman named Eleanore. And she told me a story I did not expect to hear at all. Eleanore used to live in the house right beside the one where I asked around for information about the car. And just recently she happened to move back into the vicinity. Apparently someone from that house told her about that weird guy asking around for some ancient vehicle, respectively me, possibly making fun of me while doing so. But here is the thing: Eleanore remembered. Back then she was still young and she used to be friends with a neighbors' child, the father of whom was the person who purchased my Grandpas' car. She told me she remembered for two reasons. First: The extraordinary look of the car. Apparently she had never seen anything like it before or since. And second: Just a few months after purchasing the car the father of her friend vanished without a trace, including my Grandpas' car. Now, Eleanore didn't remember the familys' name, but she could tell me that her friend moved away a few years after this. Usually what would come to mind is that the man just left his family. But the thing is, I happen to follow a few RU-vid channels with people specializing in the search and recovery of missing people who, for various reasons, wind up in rivers or lakes together with their cars and thusly pass away. Sometimes those cases date back decades. Those groups, who share their discoveries with an audience are, for example "Adventures with Purpose", "Chaos Divers" and "Exploring with Nug". I really recommend them. Anyways, had I not followed those channels I probably wouldn't even have had the idea that something like this was the case here. But since I did and Eleanores' story sounded vaguely familiar this actually came to my mind. So, by following what the people in those groups do to find the vehicles and people they are looking for I really just decided to give it a try and at a map in order to see if I could find a possible location. Now I should mention that there was no old missing person case or something the like. I actually checked. Otherwise I probably would have stopped at that point. Either way, by applying the "rules" of the organizations I mentioned above and what I knew about the area I could actually come up with a possible location. Just one possible location. Now, while I do actually own a ship I do not own a side-scan sonar, which is what these groups use to find vehicles under water, it turned out that someone I know, basically the guy who owns the boat next to mine, has a fish radar. So, since I can be incredibely stubborn, as you may have realized by now, I got this person on board and we used the fish radar at this particular location. Aaaaand, there was nothing. It would have been too good, wouldn't it? Anyways, a while later I stumbled over another map, which was actually from that time, and realized that there was once another possible location, a lake that had since been drained. So, about a month ago, I took my oldest son and our pack of dogs and we went on a little excursion..... a very loud excursion with 5 constantly barking dogs, all of which tried to run in different directions. (Not my smartest idea.) Anyways, we actually managed to find it. Or rather what was left of it, which were a few rusty remains with trees growing out of them. There were no human remains though. It was just the wreck of the car. The reason I could clearly identify it was the cars' figurehead, which my Grandpa added in exchange for the usual Mercedes star. I couldn't believe I had actually manage to track it down. Anyways, I told the police about the find. I haven't heard back from them yet but they told me it was most probably an insurance fraud or something the like. To be honest I doubt I will get any more information. I mean, there are no license plates, no names attached to the car, absolutely nothing for anyone to go on. The wreck isn't even easily recognizable as a car anymore. And since it has been more than 60 years ago I highly doubt that anyone cares at this point. What I got out of the whole thing were two things: First: An extreme amount of satisfaction. I actually want to think that my Grandpa would be quite happy today. After all he seemed to be quite attached to this car. And the other thing I got out of it is actually the old figurehead. I don't know if it can be restored but if so I actually intend to put it at the front of my own new car, which turned out to be a classic as well. Now this turned out to be a way longer post than I originally intended to write. I didn't expect to ever tell this entire story anywhere. Well, if you enjoyed reading it, take it as a little "Thank you." for all those fascinating stories you have already told us. I sincerely hope you can find the solutions to your "puzzle" as well some day. I'll be sure to follow the story.

Before our team left Kathmandu in 1999 we had to forms instructing the leaders what to do with our body if we should lose our life. Nowadays, expedition insurance basically just covers the repatriation of the body.... Agreeing with you. Cheers.

Love it....yes, there's more to life than the glitz and glamour. Follow your dreams and follow your heart. Thank you for watching...

Good insight, which I hope to get to the bottom of, indeed. You nailed it when you said it would be one of the greatest mountaineering artifacts of all time. Cheers, thank you!

Glad you enjoyed it....I agree on your thoughts. Thank you

I appreciate that you took the time to watch this and really happy you shared your thoughts. I hope to keep moving this forward and keeping the dialogue positive and uplifting, as well as interesting. Thanks so much !

Thank you for stopping by! I'll have more on this and there are other videos you might enjoy.... Cheers!

Haha, that is so awesome. I believe you'll enjoy the book....you'll learn so much more about the mystery. In 1999 when we went off rope, there were no ropes in the first place....it's a kind of 'one bad step and you die' kind of thing... Cheers! Oh, and let me know how the book goes....

I will Thom, Cheers Brother.

If so, I reckon it was done on purpose. They would've developed it, made duplicates perhaps and discarded whomever developed the pictures

We have very specific instructions from a gentleman considered the world authority on this matter and he maintains that most assuredly, if the camera is handled properly, the film could be developed. Cheers!

@@EverestMystery would they release it publicly though ya reckon? Awesome chat -you have a new subscriber 😁 much love from New Zealand... Sir Ed is on our $5 bill 😅

And then you realise that the source of the camera story is second hand from a 13 year old boy. There is no camera, its owner took pictures and brought it back home with him.

If but maybe, you're obsessed

Thanks for watching! Much more on Mallory & Irvine to come in 2024

We're on it Barbara! Thank you

You may very well be right. I hope we find out someday....

Purportedly it was a Kodak Vestpocket camera. In another video on this page Jochen Hemmleb talks about the possibility of three cameras having gone with them on summit day. It's in the Playlist for Mallory & Irvine.... Thanks for watching!

Super interesting. I know that 1986 was a brutal year, many lost their lives. Kurt Diemberger was filming...there was a team from the UK. Brutal mountain....cool story, thank you