Unraveling Everest's HIDDEN Secrets: Mallory & Irvine and Maurice Wilson  

Thanks for sharing these videos. I find the story of Mallory and Irvine to be so fascinating. I hope we can find Sandy, more so that both he and Mallory's accomplishments can be more fully celebrated and that they are not just the ones who went missing.

Michael Tracy’s latest video about the watch was absolutely incredible! He’s such a detective when it comes to these men. I’d love for him to have access to the drone footage taken in 2019 from memory! Thanks for your work sir! I love this resurgence of energy in the mystery nearing the 100 year anniversary

These are some great videos. I’ve been fascinated with the Mallory Irvine mystery. There should be a movie made about this. Ending should show the actual footage of Conrads discovery, but the movie would need insight from people like Jake, Conrad & others. It deserves to be done right

Thank you for bringing to my attention this update on the mystery of Mallory & Irvine. Much appreciated.

Great channel Thom, love these interviews with all the characters from the 1999 lost on everest documentary. I tend to lean towards the scientific. Mark's research is laudable and it is a potential explanation but until we have actual museum artefacts or photographic evidence that the Chinese removed anything I would subscribe to the theory that Irvine's body is somewhere on the mountain.

I love your channel. I am fascinated by this story and mystery. Well done

Thom, I love your videos. Great job. Many of us will never climb a mountain, yet we are able to do so in spirit with good videos like these. Thank you.

Loving these videos, thanks so much for all the effort you’re putting in to bring us this information. This mystery endure’s doesn’t it, fascinating stuff. Personally I still believe Irvine is there, somewhere. I think he’s there and it’s only a matter of time before he’s found. We really need another search! Cheers from the UK.

Really appreciate all of the work you have all done. During COVID here in Canada I read into the silence and it’s been a addiction since.

Thank you for your videos Thom, I like others find them fascinating. I have been following the story since 99, and have seen both books and videos promoting and discounting each other’s theories. Leaves people like me confused. For example the Mark Synott interview is very clear and to the point where I would think that people have been risking their lives for 22years looking for something that the Chinese have had in their possession all along as well as the final location of Irvine’s body. Good luck getting Chinese cooperation there! Hemmleb mentions two events that ring alarm bells to an amateur at best here. I had never heard any discovery of English dead from 1960, only that they would push on unlike the previous English. Secondly he refers to the 75 body found as that of Mallory. We all read of the Japanese climber recounting the story with gestures that the dead climber(Irvine?) was curled up on his side in a small gully with holes in his cheek presumably from goraks yet you of course found Mallory face down after a long self arrest. What am I missing here Sir as Hemmleb isn’t convincing me.

Wow! Thom, I didn’t know there were so many different climbers that observed the bodies over the years. I think the stories have been told and retold so many times and then, as you both mentioned, different nations relaying stories. All that being said, it’s still so very intriguing!

I'm fairly convinced by Michael Tracy's arguments that Odell saw M&I at the third step. The second step is not climbable in the way Odell described, with two people supposedly quickly climbing it in succession. Also it was not on the route the 1924 party were known to prefer and there is enough evidence to suggest they knew it was an obstacle best avoided. The first step doesn't make sense in terms of the time, 12.50 pm, when Odell saw them and if they were at the first step at 12.50pm there would be no point in continuing because they would clearly be far too late to summit. Also Odell said from where he saw them he thought they made it to the top. The third step also makes sense as it appears Mallory fell when it was dark enough to remove his goggles and it is simply implausible to think M&I spent so much time wandering around the areas between the first and second step until it got dark and then fell. If we believe he was seen at the third step at 12.50pm then it is almost certain that M&I would have summited, as there would be nothing to stop them from there and then M fell when late on the return when tired, getting dark and tragically close to camp. It is an interesting idea to think that Mallory perhaps fell first and then Irvine without his climbing partner kept climbing down the ridge overshooting the route and the turn needed to get him back to high camp. This is, if I understand Jochen correctly when he suggests Irvine's body was to the left of the route. This may also may explain why Irvine wasn't easily found by subsequent expeditions. It would be a great tragedy for human history if the Chinese removed the body or got rid of evidence suggesting M&I summited. It would be nice if as a species we could think of M&I's achievements, Hillary and Norgay's achievements and indeed the Chinese achievements as achievements for all of humanity, rather than a battle between nations which is really rather pointless.

Hi! David here from Ireland. Love your channel. I've been an arm chair mountain climber all my life however in September after 9 months of training I'm hitting mont blanc, my first serious summit push. Keep the information flowing in relation to mountain mysteries

Understatement- Everything here is super interesting. Thank you

These videos are fantastic. I just read an article by Synnott on the China theory today and luckily l found your channel. Thank you.

I'm happy to consider the '24 expedition "Schrodinger's Summit" and Hillary/Norgay "First Summit with Successful Descent" ... But the mystery is so fascinating and those who search for answers have my utmost respect. 🗻🍍

Thanks for your awesome videos and we await your next great work

Thom, excellent interview with Johchen! Absolutely , the right person, for the history, about this subject! You would think, as many times as Jake Norton searched the ridge up high, he would of seen, something buried in rocks! I believe, he was up higher ( Irvine ) , and probably was brought down, or the high winds, scattered him about! Just my opinion! But, someone knows the truth, and maybe it will never come out, but its still a mystery! Thank you!

Thank you for these informative videos. I'm a 30 year old veterinary nurse and I have never been a mountaineer. The closest I ever got was climbing a few fells in The Lake District in the UK. An that was enough 😂IT was beautiful but I hated the way down. I think my dog had more fun. But I'm still fascinated by the great peaks, the history of the areas and the mental willpower of those who climb. So thank you again. It's much appreciated. I will be looking into the rest of your content. Its incredible how this mystery can bring so many together. 🥰

I was remembering my expedition to Everest in 1997 and found this. Guys. I would have people look going down from first step towards the rocks where there are small gaps that group the stones together. I saw a body there during my decent. Not far from where Irving's tank was. The body would be higher up to your right I believe. Now whether that's Sandy or not is something you should confirm. But I def remember commenting that his boots were incredibly old. My reasoning on not looking further was we both were low on 02 and couldn't stop to look. Weeks later my other friend Jordan went on his. And from his pics, ice was covering that slot and area. I would focus on that. If I'm right please let me know? This is interesting. I didn't know ppl were looking for them. Only that Mal was found

keep doing what you do bro , love your vids on the mallory irvine mystery, my honest view is that it would not surprise me if irvine was found in the 1970s and evidence removed to conceal the truth about if mallory was first to summit . much love from the uk 👍

This has fascinated my imagination for more than 2 decades now..all these years I have wished may this mystery get resolved at least in my lifetime..but just got to know about Mark’s last operation and the possibility of the Chinese removing Irvine’s body today from your videos.. so I am putting my hope to rest today.. Mallory & Irvine… you will keep inspiring generations even 100 years from now

If they or you could prove the duo got to the summut I'm sure a movie would be made of this and rightly so. I think they did. Its a poss that people know things we do not but made sure it was not made public for their own personal gain. I'm loving your work, please keep it up.

Nice to see the telecaster/fender amp combo. Oh, and thanks for the video 👍

Great interview! Again learned more!

Hi Thom, thanks for another great video and the effort you put in, love these! I feel as though Irvines body may have been taken down, I understand there was a clean up on the mountain, was it before the Olympics? Even if not to conceal anything he could have been removed as part of that process.

Hi Thom, Matt here, just wanted to say how much I enjoy your channel. I came for the mallory and Irving videos but have really enjoyed your other content. These videos have reignited my interest in the Mallory expedition, an interest that started when I was 10, watching ther premier of the documentary where you guys found Mallory. So in a round about way, you got me into this. I just wanted to share the fact that through yours and others drive to find out the truth, you passed that passion on to a 10 year old sitting in front of a TV in south England, and I thank you for that

Excellent stuff. Keep it up.

Great chanel..I am also intrigued by this story...in my eyes the camera does exist...but it would change History..keep up the great work Thom....you never know..

Good video. I have become fascinated with this mystery. Will there be a part two of this interview?

Love what your working towards, I don't think we'll ever know though. Would be the best news ever to know!!!

I spent my childhood with my grandfather. He was convinced Mallory made the summit. I am now 72 years old - and I still believe Mallory made it. No photo of Ruth on his body. Perhaps the Chinese took that, too. But I doubt it.

-...as a German Biologist - I am more interested in the Physiology, the resources they had and when they were too tired to avoid any mishaps and accidents. We are too romantic and ignore the physical restrictions. Even more - when both were sure - this was the only Chance of their Lifetime - then the threat of Death may have been overruled by Euphoria - which only grows - the closer the summit appears. When Mallory was discovered - my first impression was - was this the first time - or was anybody there before - taking things away... - it is as troubling as any tragedy - and gets us addicted to each minor detail - fueling imagination forever.

Wow, such a good video. It really makes you wonder. After following all the experts on Everest I believe they somehow pulled it off.

More excellent work here Thom. Kudos to you. Are you posting this on Jake's community blog? It would spark some keen interest.

Very good video, Jochen Hemmleb surely knows his stuff! All the speculation about the Chinese finding both M&I has some points to talk about. For example, if Irvine’s body was so close up on the ridge, why didn’t the people from the 1933 British expedition found him first? We know that they went past the first step and I believe it’s unlikely that they would have missed it if it was so close to the ridge. But again that’s all speculation and, as soon as we don’t have an undeniable proof, we can’t say anything for sure. I just hope that someone will search again for Irvine, as far as we know he is still out there.

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Just when I think one way it changes and I think another. This is indeed a roller coaster ride. Can’t wait to hear more.🍻

Thom, You don’t give yourself enough credit. I love your videos and you are the one that’s bringing this mystery all together for us and especially the family of Sandy Irvine. I wouldn’t know any of this if not for you! You have lit a spark inside me to prepare myself to travel to Everest Base Camp next year! Thank you!

Very insightful and captivating Thom. Thank you very much. I've read a number of books about Mallory & Irvine including watching the documentary film "The Wildest Dream", but I haven't got round to reading "The Third Pole" by Mark Synnott. I believe that this is a mystery that won't go away, and people will keep knocking on that door until the right answer is found. With the 100th anniversary of that fateful climb coming up who knows if anything could yet be revealed? It seems as if we're one step away from finding that crucial bit of evidence to confirm whether or not Mallory and Irvine had made it to the top in 1924. I have to admit this mystery feels like a magnet shrouded in the romanticism of a great epic. I remember reading Wade Davis' tome "Into the Silence", and although the author's main interest was looking into the background of the likes of Mallory as well his mountaineering colleagues especially with regard to how World War One had affected the spirit of that age; I believe the author did suggest that there may have been a huge amount of snowfall back in June 1924 that there could have been a hill or hump of snow big enough in front of the Second Step for both Mallory and Irvine to have got on top of the Second Step without having to have contended with the wall. If Odell saw them at the Second Step, he did describe them moving quickly to the top of this step. However, in a presentation given by Wade Davis and Conrad Anker entitled: "Discovering MALLORY & IRVINE", around the 40-41 minute mark there is a photograph of Noel Odell taken in the early 1980's (he was well into his 90's by then) pointing at what we call the "first step" now in a photograph of the upper North side of Everest. It has been known that Noel Odell had changed his mind a number of times about whether he saw Mallory and Irvine at the first, second or third step, so this for me increases the level of speculation about where he may have spotted them on that fateful day. One other point to make is that in a letter to Odell, Mallory had mentioned I think in the evening before he and Irvine were due to make an attempt on the summit, that he not only mislaid his compass, but that his "Unna cooker" used to heat up ice so that they could drink the melt water had slid down the face of the mountain. So, it makes me wonder what Mallory and Irvine had done for water on that final day to prevent themselves from dehydration? Surely, a lack of water would have affected their performance?

Seeing photos of the 1924 expedition, evidently it is Irvine who has the camera hanging in his neck in one of the photos. The key to unlocking the mystery of if they were the first to reach Everest lies in finding his body as it may well lead to finding the camera. Of course, if the film can still be developed. RIP.

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They were last seen 800m below the summit. Of course they summited, they had just climbed up nearly 8000m. The most perilous journey is the descent. They died on the descent, as do most who die mountaineering.

I hope the camera is found in the museum. Can't wait to hear.

A lot of time has passed since 1960 , memory lapses, confusion, in addition to the exhaustion and strain of actually being up that high. I would be surprised though if the Chinese didn't take any photographs. I like the mystery, hope they never disprove my hope that they made the summit.

With all the photos and footage it is time to start piecing them together to make a realistic 3D model of Everest. Even people who have climbed it many times have no idea what the vast majority of the mountain looks like.

I believe when I read the book..."Ghost of Everest"..There was an Excerpt about about Chinese Climber's mentioning "English Dead" and it was not described as Mallory's body and...Upright in some sort of small cave or under a ledge...

I sure hope they find Irvine in my lifetime....hopefully finding him will lead to some answers as to what happened to them....

Once more a disclaimer here: I am an armchair alpinist so whatever I have to say may or may not be held as fact or truth considering I've never ever been mountain climbing. So here it goes for what it's worth. Here's my supposition on the whole "Is it Mallory or is it Irvine" question: So when you guys searched the body you found in 1999, you found the tags on the clothes of "George L. Mallory". I always remember either Conrad Anker or Jake Norton exclaiming, "It says George Mallory. Oh my god, we've found George Mallory!" If we take into consideration where the Chinese found the body they did in the 30s and in 1975, one would have thought they'd have checked the body to confirm as you guys did in 1999 who it was. Was Sandy Irvine known to write his name in the tags of his clothes? If not, then it's not likely they found Mallory in 1975 (Wang Hong Bao find). If I recall from the books I've read, there were two "Old English Dead" found. One "sitting" one "sleeping". So the sleeping is definitely George Mallory as he was found in the arrest position which meant he fell from a height (likely the Second Step) , then the one higher up that was found "sitting" had to be Sandy Irvine. To me I believe the body they found in both the 1960 and the 1975 expeditions was indeed Sandy Irvine, other wise I'm sure they would have beaten their chests to the wind to say they got the high profile find. I don't give the same courtesy to the Chinese that Jochen does in they wouldn't be so careless or heartless to just "chuck" the body off. They would do what they're told to do, unlike the Brotherhood of the High Climbers who are noble and would do the correct thing and do what you guys did in 1999 after you found Mallory. Again disclaimer here that I am an armchair climber, my belief is that George and Sandy, or at least George did summit. If I remember correctly didn't they get a late start? The climb must be started by about five or six in the morning to be able to summit in enough time so you're not coming down in the dark. I think they did summit and the photo does/did exist. I believe they were coming down and Mallory being Mallory saw they might have a chance down the second step to be able to traverse down a route he may have found and decided not to try the first step route. I think they both got down, but then due to either darkness or the weather conditions in what O'Dell pointed out about the "mists", George attempted to go first to then possibly tell Sandy it was okay and he fell. I think that's why he was in the arrest position when you found him. Sandy if we understand the "Old English Sitting" is that Sandy tried to help George by sitting down and digging in with his boots, but due to the sharp shale, the rope was frayed and when Sandy tried to pull George up, he got nothing but a frayed end. Given the experienced one was gone, I think Sandy just sat down to try to either figure out what to do, or he just gave up. But for me I don't believe the Chinese were altruistic. And I do believe they are completely politically propagandized, they wouldn't think anything of either shucking Sandy's body off the mountain, or taking it back to Beijing and destroying it and keeping the result of the camera secret. I don't have the kind of trust in the Chinese others seem to. I mean wouldn't you expect as you both mentioned they would have searched the body they found and found it to be George's?

Everest has such a lure. I'm 41 now and never been, but yet I'm still fascinated by it. I've been meaning to do a base camp trek but I'm not sure my left knee will hold up now after my military career. One thing I'm curious about in 99. Did the rope around the body of Mallory appeared to be cut by a knife or did it look more like it was snapped? Also was any DNA evidence collected at that time? The reason I'm thinking about the rope is because of Irvine was dragged down with Mallory, then there is every chance his body could be lower than him on the mountain? Is it possible to do drone fights from base camp that can search the mountain or is it not possible because of temperature and the thin air.

your work has been Sterling , but I think Micheal Tracy has patched the timeline complete and it makes more sense , he can be lets say `very forward thinking in this and has no time for anyone that makes mistakes ` but his times and research makes sense , nice to see Jochen passing hearsay out of the window

I’d love to here more on Jochens thinking about the route Mallory and Irvine took. He previously stated that he suspected Odells final sighting may have been describing them on the third step, but subsequently changed his mind. I wonder why? Personally I cannot understand why most people still assume they took the ridge route when Mallorys last note to Noel listed the rockband route before the ridge route, and Odells sighting described them “on ridge nearing base of final pyramid” - which has always sounded to me exactly like the location of the third step. Maybe you could do a video arguing the cases for and against each route..?

If the Chinese removed Irvine then why not Mallory also?

1953 british expedition that made it safely back from the summit probably seen the bodies but didn't report it so they can take the fame of reaching the summit first 😮

Could Mallory's ice ax have gone on over the cliff face over time? Where did Mallorys boot go? Would Mallory and Irvine been tied together? If not Irvine, what else would mallory have tied the rope to? Is it possible that Irvine fell tied to Malloy, dragging him to where Mallory was found. Irvine being over the cliff face was cut loose by an injured Mallory. Sorry if my comments are naive.

Never heard of this before today, amazing. I must say though. And I probably have no right to even have an opinion. But it seems really really low and disrespectful if they found them and kept silent to get that accolade. I can't lie, I'm pretty riled up hearing that and I've never climbed any mountain. Thanks for these awesome videos.

Back in the 70s one of the show's by Leonard nemor or spok from star trek had the mystery of mallory and Irvine. Been an investigator of the story ever since. I think they made it to the top. I think the camera would have been ruined after many years in those conditions. All but 1 time someone saw them, the ice axe and there bodies locations are and will probably be all the info we know for sure.

Man, imagine the worth of the ice axe of Mallory, along with his camera, and a summit photo on it. I'd put it in the same luxury cabinet with the Excalibur, a legendary item indeed.

Thom, I've read that when you and the 1999 expedition team went back to Mallory's body the 2nd time that you were able to see Mallory's face when they lifted his body up and you were able to photograph him. I by no means am asking you for a photo, but am asking for what you were thinking as you were the first human since Andrew Irvine to see his face. What was going through your mind when you were literally inches away from one of the best mountaineers ever? What were your emotions and what did you see when looking at him? If you aren't comfortable answering these questions as you may want to keep these feelings and emotions to yourself and there's nothing wrong with that. Thank you, Thom.

Thank you for pointing me to this video. One last question if I may, maybe an impossible one but......can you see a time when this mystery is finally solved?

Did you and andy really turned the body of malllory? So how was his front part? Because there is no photo of Mallory's face can you describe his face?

If two people are roped together and one falls, why would the other be higher up instead of being catapulted into a more uncontrolled fall? If the rope burns indicate a yank of this kind, and GM in a position of trying to arrest his fall, shouldn't the search be lower than his for SI? Just curious.

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Like your Videos!!! How do you know for sure which way Mallory and Irvine went? I know that's a tough question??? It just seems that why would he try the second step knowing it would take too much effort? So many mixed opinions??? it seems after Norton's efforts he would of built on that route?

I've suspected for a few years that the Chinese took the camera whether it was off of Mallory or Irvine. With all of the technologies and knowledge we have where M & I were and could have gone. So either Irvine was taken or buried with the camera taken.

Well what do ya know, a Maine lobster plate on the wall. Been a few years since those were on the road..thanks for expanding on this mystery.

This makes my blood boil. I wouldn't be surprised if the Chinese tampered with the bodies. Let's be honest they have a track record of lying to the world.

There would have been more than one roll of film. So a couple might be still in the clothing of Irvine's remains. I feel the body is still under the stones in a cleft of rock away from the main walking route. The Chinese team included a woman and I think she commented on an Everest documentary on BBC TV (Horizon?) (The World Around Us? ) around 1976.

I just listened to a podcast two or three days ago that speaks of both bodies being found the Chinese found the camera the film was bad and they apparently kicked his body over the side of the hill into oblivion you didn’t know this already you should go check it out and apparently they found it back in the 70s I think

Guys, you should get the things straight. First of all, Mallory clearly stated that he is not going to take the ridge route, he also stated that he is not intending to climb the steps. And they couldn't have been seen by Odell on the ridge at step 1 or 2. His original statement clearly suggests they were seen at the Citadel. Statements done after decades of public pressure aren't a reliable source of information. Furthemore, how could Irvine be found on the ridge if the two clearly fell while being roped up?

Why would the Chinese allow so many people to risk their lives looking for a body they had removed decades ago? Why would they take the camera and not tell anyone?

Thom ... since watching the discovery of Mallory's body years ago, I always wondered what meds were in his pill bottle - something to help him stay awake perhaps? I figured you would of course know. Thanks.

I imagine it would be nigh on impossible to lift a body that has been frozen solid to the mountain without equipment to do so,and then there's the issue of how did they bring the body off the mountain,it being in the death zone.

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Would the usage of Ground penetrating radar not help to find Irvine

Any idea at all which museum in China where Irvine’s camera may be??

Jochen makes the point that any body from 1924 found in 1960 (or later) would have been frozen in place. Thus, if we know where a body was in 1960, but is not there, it must have been removed. My question is, has there been a seismic event between 1960 and the 1990s and the opening of Fischer's "Yellow Brick Road" that could have moved a body? If the third step has vanished due to seismic activity, certainly a body could as well, and I would think that we would have a good seismic record of the mountain since 1960.

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If the Chinese claim to have found Sandy Irvine in 1975 there may still be some of the expedition members still alive. Be an interesting conversation to have to find out where they buried it and at least go and have a look for it without offending anyone.

I would actually be surprised if the Chinese were able to remove Irvine's body and or the camera. I don't think they found his body.

My theory is that they made it and while descending Mallory fell, the rope between Irvine and Mallory snapped and Mallory slid facedown the mountain, arms outstretched trying to stop his slide. His leg shattered and unconscious, froze to death. Irvine, alone in the darkening light searched for Mallory and fell. I think it is most likely that the Chinese found Mallory not Irvine. Removing the body on an climb would not have happened. Removing items from the body seem much more likely. Would they have created a story to discourage others from continuing to search for Irvine as they did not find a camera and it is still on the mountain? Or do the Chinese hold evidence of the successful summitting of Mallory and Irvine? It would be like them to deflect, deceive and coverup to save face. just my opinion.

Has anyone looked at how Mallory’s body is positioned? It looks like he’s facing facing up hill. If he was on his way down I can’t imagine what would have to happen for you to end up prone facing up towards the summit even if it was a big fall. It seems like the only way he could have ended up in that position is if he was on his way up to the summit. Maybe there’s something obvious im missing??

Looks like a nice telecaster in the background

Don't believe Chinese would of took Camera from Mallory without taking other items???? Right?

Ok can i ask about the rope burn marks on mallorys body, if they were roped together, who fell first ? or did they fall together? therefore irvine should be roughly above or below mallory in a line. if mallory fell first and the rope snapped did irvine travel on down towards the first step which would mean they were on a descent which at the time they were sighted by odell would mean they more than likely summited. or would mallory have been rappelling down something and the rope snapped ? could either of them have been able to hold themselves enough for the rope to snap if the other fell ?

Interesting. I'm sorry I'm behind watching. Had been sick. Wouldn't it be hard to move a froze body on Everest? I know it's been done but has to be alot of work up that high.

It honestly doesn't matter, to conquer a mountain you have to come back alive. Even if Mallory or Irvine made it to the summit (which i find highly doubtful) they did not return. I find it fascinating to find out what happened to them. I dont think we will ever know, definitely an intriguing mystery non the less.

The world deserves to know what happened on the side of Everest back then, "did they or dident they" and in Truth where is that Camera.. Thank you Thom for keeping this Alive..

They must have reached the summit, mallorys pic of his wife was missing!!

I know very, very little about all this, but I have been following it since the 96 disaster.............In my experience with dealing with Chinese people and dating a few Chinese women..........I don't think they would care much about M&I at all even as Climbers. I can see them taking something from the bodies as a souvenir (including the camera and ice axe), but all the trouble of moving the bodies.........and of course you cannot get the same answer to the same question twice in a row must be considered as well. I am well aware I am generalizing.

I know Im late on this convo but Jochen is just going based on HIS thoughts. He kind of discredits all the info that the Chinese climber gave & put in his own words of what the Chinese saw , hole in his cheek, etc. Im sorry but Jochen really doesn’t convince me of what he’s saying. I love your content and Im glad you told him you went to My Everest yourself & walked it looking for clues. He really believes his own words but I just don’t find his words believable. Im not being rude, just stating opinion. Thank you Sir for all your content on Mr George Mallory & Mr Sandy Irvine🌻

this why would Odell see them on the 2nd step - wouldnt you think Odell would have watched to see a summit - IMO

Did anyone on the 1960/75 expeditions specifically say the body that was higher up was moved? And do we assume thrown down the mountain?

I dibt buy it. Irvine. Is still up there maybe hidden as he may have been trying to shelter. I agree why would Mallory still be there and not Irvine. Unless he fell off the mountain on the climb down.

one of the biggest mysteries for me is what kind of people they were , For me they were all very serious dudes , not like the Mallory narrated by Liam Neeson . and for me John Noel was the most serious dude you could bump into . Can you tell me if anyone walks nude down the Rongbuk today for conditioning ? Or if anyone gives credit to Noel for the whole Everest Adventure . ?

Maurice Wilson is 1934 adds a lot of intrige to the tale.

question how come there are no pics of mallory's head

hello I am an archaeologist and very interested in this… i’ve formulated some ideas of where the body might be as i bioarchaeologist I would like to contact someone about conducting a search and participating as a scientist…. not sure how to contact you except to leave a message here. thank you.