Sanguinius :The Weight of Perfection 

"Super vampire angel killed by Mega-Satan posessed super Lex Luthor" must be the best description of Sanguinius's demise to this date.

Direct quote from Horus Lupercal, when he’s contemplating his position as war master “Sanguinius. It should have been him. He has the vision and strength to carry us to victory, and the wisdom to rule once victory is won. For all his aloof coolness, he alone has the Emperor's soul in his blood. Each of us carries part of our father within us, whether it is his hunger for battle, his psychic talent or his determination to succeed. Sanguinius holds it all. It should have been him…” Even Guilliman made him ruler of Imperium Secundus

He is my favorite Primarch. He isnt written like a Mary Sue, despite being depicted as near-perfect. You see him struggle under the weight of his own image. His own example. And through all hardship, even when it would be easiest to throw nobility aside and embrace the savagery of Chaos, he and his sons always pushed against the temptation. They defend humanity from horrific threats. They work well with regular forces. Not Salamanders, but they won't look down on you either.

The last time I was this early, Ferrus was a foot taller...

Khorne: please Sanguinius you got to join us, you would look absolutely amazing as fallen angel and your children are super good at collecting skulls and I need that in my life.

11:42 when you listen closely you can hear his sanity break

11:40 Arthur fell to the black rage lol

Snagunius is the greatest. I was taught, from a small child, to put others first. Sacrifice yourself. That is on MF way to live

THANK YOU FOR REPPING ISYANDER AND KODA i research/write for them and i'm always so happy to see the love Also, i love this episode. Kelley, my friend who i loved more than anything, she was like Sanguinius. She was everyone's hero, she was always helping everyone, she was a beacon of strength and compassion, completely self-sacrificing, gave everything to her work and her clients and her family and friends, and me. Everybody loved her, and nobody knew how much it weighed on her. She overdosed and died and yeah, that was heavy, but i appreciate you talking about this

Even though he's not my favorite, i understand and love sanguinius. I love that Him and Kurze have an interesting dichotomy. Whereas kurze can see the future and be a nihilist or pessimist who won't do anything, Sanguinius is a an optimist and a stoic willing to try and change things. Sanguinius to me represents the ability to try and change your future. He is up there with the best of primarchs and I love that even though he's the literal embodiment of an angel he know he's still human.

I like Sanguinius, to me his perfection is an ilusion, people both inside and outside the universe sees him as too much and they tend to stay away, and he is aware of this, he feels alone, abandoned, his only friend and most beloved brother was Horus and we know how that ended. Due to the mutation he and his sons suffer he develops this latent insecurity that forces him to give his best permanently, wich only increases that loneliness. But for me, above all things, what i feel most identified with is his internal struggle, he has to constantly fight against his negative self and all that stuff just gets me.

Ngl in End of the Death vol2 & 3 the Sanginius' death was brutal, psychically kept alive to witness it, and the desecration of his corpse would definitely leave an imprint on all of his sons. While everyone mentions Sangy's death as the catalyst, people neglect to mention how insane it was.

My favourite 40k lore channel + my top 3 primarchs. Perfection. Sanguinius is everything that Fulgrim wanted to be. I think people hate or enjoy joking about Sanguinius's death because there is genuinely nothing else you can falter the character on. He was more noble than the most honour bound dark angel, more savage than the drunkest space wolf and would force the burden of changing fate upon himself. Even when he was the only one that knew the true outcome. He knew he was heading towards his death at the hands of Horus, He knew what it would do to his sons. He knew it all. but what makes Sanguinius Sanguinius is that he went anyway because it was his part to see till the end.

Better not be talking smack on The Great Angel. Otherwise, I'm gonna go all Where's Horus on you.

Snaguinius is now living rent-free in my head.

Sanguinius is stored in the baal

The reason why sanguinius is my favorite character is the outlook of his perfection. How he sees himself, how the 40k fans see him, and how the wider imperium sees him. The wider imperium see sanguinius as a literal angel. Beloved by everyone, a genuine nice guy. He was so well liked just thinking about him made the butchers nails in deamon angrons head sooth. Even the silent king might have been a fan of the guy. But due to all of this 40k fans either worship him as the greatest primarch of all time or disregard him as a mary sue with no nuisance to his character besides being beloved. The kicker is sanguinius is completely aware of how everyone sees him. He is aware that he is viewed as perfect despite his sons developing a literal thirst for blood that he desperately keeps hidden from the emperor. He is aware that he is considered beautiful despite also falling into the category of a “filthy mutant” due to his angel wings being a very noticeable mutation. He is aware everyone looks upon him as an actual angel in an imperium that despises religion. A walking contradiction if you will. Though despite being aware of all of this, despite the impossibly high pedestal everyone has placed him on he doesn’t complain. He simply does his best to live up to those impossible expectations even at his own detriment. The saddest part is sons ended up following in his footsteps. Now they have to try to fill the impossibly large shoes sanguinius left behind after his death while hiding the flaws that death caused from the imperium.

Out of all of the fans of the individual chapters blood angel fans act the most like blood angels the way they prop up their primarch and how they go rabid if anyone tries to not say he is utter perfection. Like he’s good but I have had fans get red in the face and clenching their hands by merely saying something along the lines of “yeah I think there’s a good possibility he COULD lose a fight to the Lion, the Khan, or Fulgrim” I can’t think of any other chapter who’s fans adamantly defend a legion to that point

Yooo Isyander and Koda mentioned! One of the channels that first got me into 40k (besides you)

I think you put it nicely, even if I never considered the concept of breaking under your own altruism.

You, Mr. Bones, are an essayist. Thanks for the thoughts.

arthur on your note of uploading late. dont be upset about it, youre one of my favourite youtubers and content creators (in the top 3) and every one of your uploads genuinely makes my time on this earth easier. im struggling a lot right now and i would have made an incredibly bad decision last week if not for me opening youtube and seeing you had uploaded. as long as the video gets out thats all that matters. thank you man, keep up the great work :)

If you've read his speech in ‘Echoes of Eternity’ you would die for him

*Perfectly eloquent essay* "Snaguinius" AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA *Silly outro music*

This video should have been about Hope and Courage; Sanguinius knew he would die, but fought anyways. He fought, for YEARS, because the idea of surrender or giving in to despair was never an option. He understood he had a responsibility, and he would face his final moments with as much dignity as any person in all of history ever could. Instead of resignation or bitterness, like Curze, our Glorious Golden Hawkboy lived an incredible, heroic life, positively impacting trillions of people, saving the galaxy, and inspiring people for the next 12k years.

sangy has always been my favorite he's the one that wants to rage and is about to loose it but he holds it together for everyone else

Thank you for finally covering my favorite primarch.

My Primarch, you are perfection incarnet

Snaguinius? More like Snack-guinius.

Blood Rage out for Snanguinius

Isyander and Kodak getting named dropped!? That cool

Sanguinius is one of my favorite Primarchs, embodies a desire to do good in spite of a very cruel and unforgiving galaxy.

Arthur, you don’t know how this video gave me a huge revelation. I didn’t think I would see so much of myself in Sanguinius. I think he is a great example of altruistic burnout, which I realize I myself have been starting to feel. Not to go into too many details, but my job is wholly self sacrifice. And I feel myself reaching the end of my rope, and it doesn’t help that I feel stress in other parts of my life outside of work. So, thank you for helping me give a name to what I’ve been feeling. And I think from this episode, it would be interesting to go into a little depth about different philosophical ideas or concepts each Primarch represents. Idk, just a thought

Sanguinius' speech before the battle of Eternity Gate is the best thing I have ever heard. It captures his nobility and sheer virtue like nothing else

Arthur i hope what ever you are going through you won't go through it again. Wish you all the happiness and joy ! We love your work and we look forward to the next one ❤

You have become one of my favorite RU-vidr. You make me look at these 40k characters in profound ways that have never occurred to me before. Thank you.

My best friend Toby related to the Angel with is tempered anger and rage. He recognized his own emotions and faced them. His mind fractured from a young age. By man hood he was a shattered person of who he was meant to be. But even with that he was the best person I ever have known. A man with more love to give the world than it could handle. He related to the blood angels in most ways, like that he could see the beauty in things like art (for him music especially). Him and I were brothers, are brothers, may he rest eternally.

By the Blood of Sanguinius!!!

Snaguinius seems like a chill dude

Thanks for this video, I do enjoy hearing about Snaguinius.

‘I am the creation of the Emperor, Galen. Though I am His son, I was engineered, not born. I am as He made me. I was made to perform a function for mankind.' - Sanguinius ‘Look not to the Emperor and expect perfection. My father is mighty, and good, and wise, but He is a man. Nobody is infallible. Such false faith gave us certainty when there was none.’ - Primarch Sanguinius ‘Blessed be Sanguinius, Primogenitor and Lord of our Chapter. All Glory to him and the Emperor of Man, may his light guide and preserve us. Might of the Sanguinor, give us strength and fortitude, bind us…’ ‘The bonds of Blood transcend all others. But no blood runs stronger than that of Sanguinius’ ‘All Sanguinius’ sons carry an echo of his curse.’ - Sorcerer Zadkiel[Thousand Sons Legion]

This is a fantastic philosophical treatment of my beloved chapter (which may, erm...DOES, have something to do with my psyche). Thank you!

I think you stumbled on close to what another friend cals him as Snack-Guinius

F for the Hawk-boy... 🥺😢😭

Thanks!

For those we cherish we die in glory

A very cool, very deep episode. Thanks Mr. B.

Dropped what I was doing as soon as I got the notif

Fabulous hawk boy!

I hope youre doing well. Your uploads make me feel not so alone in my personal endeavors and certain ideations. I appreciate you my man!

Sanguinius is so perfect on the outside that it makes his own flaws and insecurities worse. He knows the flaws in his sons are a reflection of himself, the darkness and rage that is hidden inside his perfect exterior. He also alway has the pressure of living up to his own image. It is even suggested in his primarch book the reason the Emperor chose Horus over him is he is unrelatable, all of the brothers are these super human demigods but he is just a step to far. As much as the heresy ends poorly for him it feels like it’s the one time he gets to be himself. I think my favorite moment is when he is fighting Angron, and Angron looks into his eyes and feels jealous of the purity of the rage and hate he sees in him,.

It’s Saturday night, you’re painting minis and listening to Mr. Bones. That’s a pretty good night.

The Catholic Church understands that the best way to inspire human piety is to go hard af on the aesthetics.

Phrase is not "chomping at the bit," it's "champing at the bit." Pedantry over!

Every time Spaces In-Between comes on my brain gives me the good chemicals

This has became my new fav 40k channel

Here's my views on Sanguinius, and the to little talked about of him and Angron's thematic parallels. Sanguinius was designed, made, to be a killer. Him and his sons were made to be butchers- the Red Thirst shows this. The Revenant Legion, the Blood Angels before Sanguinius could nurture them into something else, grew into bezerkers and slaughters. Angron was made to be an empath. A unifier, a charismatic leader, to guide brothers under his banner. He was made to be what Sanguinius became. He united the slaves against the High Riders. He could heal through touch. His legion, the War Hounds, were the closest in their bonds of brotherhood. And yet, they became opposites. Through their nurturing, their upbringing, they swapped roles. Sanguinius became the empathic uniter Angron was made to be and Angron became the monster Sanguinius was made to be. The Red Thirst and Butcher's Nails. Their Legions followed suite. One was born with bloodthirst, the other had it hammered into their heads. One grew past it, the other fell to it. The Revenant Legion became nobility, Blood Angels. The War Hounds became monsters, the World Eaters. Notice this: The Revenant Legion and the War Hounds were close and often worked together. Sanguinius and Angron were both called "Angels." The Great Angel and the Red Angel. Sanguinius and the Blood Angels were the first chosen Legion of Khorne. Their nature, their original purpose, almost coming back to them, calling them, reminding them what they were meant to be. But they have risen past their nature, they were nurtured into something better. The two are so remarkably similar, yet so extremely opposite. They are the same coin but opposite sides, and beyond that, they were made to be what the other became. Kind of ramble-y, but these are my thoughts on it!

ah, so that was why ive constantly seen that badass skull thing in my feed all week

Hey man, hope you're doing alright. Great video as always, really enjoying the deeper look at our favourite demi-god space generals. I didn't comment at the time but you actually got me to empathise and hate Leman Russ less with his video. I know it might not seem like much but your videos have help me and I'm guessing many others through a few tuff days, weeks or months and I hope you know we're all grateful for it. Keep moving forward brother. 💪🏻

This one hit real hard big dawg.

I saw it somewhere before. Sanguinius’ most prominent flaw was his rage and the gene curse it led to. If Angron hadn’t been mutilated on his home planet, his powers are purpose built to relieve that. Instead they fight at the gate of eternity and Angron despises the blood angels enough to target then multiple times after Sanguinius’ death. Makes you wonder what could have been

Also, we ball for Baal

Love that you mentioned isaynder and Koda! My OTHER fav w40k channels

I can see Sanguinius somehow surviving the Heresy only to strap himself to a machine that drains his blood to be refined into gene-seed, just to cope with the enormous shame and guilt.

snakeguinius isnt real he cant hurt you falgrim: disappointed arousal

O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts, And men have lost their reason

11:40 COMPLETELY ruined the mood, but a great ice-breaker overall. took me off guard, had me laughing for a good 10 minutes.

"Horussy" is now canon.

Ironically I see a bit of Chapias Cain in him... Mostly the idea of trying to carry the image and stand as something everyone else needs as you try to live up to the impossible image no matter how hard it is and how much MORE you would rather not try and live up to it. Though Cain got lucky and has moments of relief and peace and not being a primarch. Sanguinius carried through the best he could to stand as that brighter image for everyone in the hope that even his death would aid to serve more than what his life could have given... and tragically his breaking point in death... is what cursed his legion with all the baggage he had never been able to get rid of.

Most of the time I still see Sanguinius as a good person whose kindess got used so much when it dried up, only resentment and bitterness remained. Basically likes me currently, I always treat people nice and equal, try to satisfy most of their request with no compensations, but in the long run, when my kindness gets listed into the category of "natural" things and people just assume I will do the things they ask regardless, that is when my tolerance for incompetent wears off and my anger kicks in. Similarity? I know. But do I beat those people up? Most of the time no, except for a few special cases.

The crazy thing about Sanguinius is that, for all of his foresight and perfection he was effectively rejected by the Emperor. Everyone but Lion El Johnson and Perturabo thought he should be Warmaster, Big E doesn't talk with him at all when he's on Earth, he's put of the loop on the Webway project, he isn't allowed an Empire within the Empire, a triple sized legion, or to impose his religion on others. And he still stands, nay flies, with all the pressure on his shoulders.

Mr. Bones refers to him as Snackuinus because he's deeply invested in fujoshi fanfiction.

He's 1 of my favorite sons of the Emperor. I make no apologies for it! For the blood!

So we all are IRON WARRIOR at HEART. And We Should be Like THE NIGHT LORD More just Because WE CAN.

Sanguinius is simply cool. The kind and angelic vampire is simply cool. Sanguinius' return would be something like Vulkan, basically a scavenger hunt, just instead of Vulcan's relics, for Sanguinius his red boys will need to collect the pieces of the Angel's soul to revive his body or something along those lines. Probably Big E gets involved in the process too, I mean using the Aeldari in the case of Gulliman was a bit iffy and it's kind of bad that every time the Imperium has a problem it's one of the more ancient factions that help out or some deus ex machina device out of the blue. Just a thought; what if to revive Sanguinius the Blood Angels would need to unite Sanguinius' soul, put it in his corpse and then feed the corpse a thousand Astartes' blood. How hard would he be messed up learning that his sons did what they did? Also him learning about the ravages of the Black Rage and the Red Thirst, of better yet, him experiencing these too! A loyalist primarch going on a rampage might be a fun time to read about.

Thank you for your work, Blister Moans. I mean, aww, dangit, it's catching!

I think that this is why it’s important that sanguineous is death at the hands of Horace didn’t actually affect events very much. His sacrifice is very much flavored as the thing that gave the emperor a chance. He went to Horus’ flagship expecting that his death was prophesies and needed to happen for better things to come. But this is a bit of a lie his sacrifice is noble, but it’s ultimately doesn’t mean very much and the pain and suffering that it causes is great and it shows that that self-destructive altruism the inability to consider self interest was self-destructive for him. And that his children have lionized and glorified that self-destructive moment is sad and a bit tragic, even though it has some way to help them remain a bit human..

Snaguinius, primarch of the Blood Angles!

I recently listened to your appearances on Astartes Anonymous and they could not stop laughing. You got to get back there lol.

I recently learned Sanguinius had to kill his son who succumbed to the rage. Tragic.

Thanks to TTS I will refer to the HH as the "Horus Humbug" for the rest of my life.

I feel like I can relate to Sanguinius in terms of the altruistic burn out as I did that in my twenties...however I ended up becoming so burned out and bitter that I essentially lost it and went Kurze meets Fulgrim. Addiction sucks. Don't let yourselves burn out people. Take a step back and remember, Sanguinius and the Emperor love you.

I wonder if the Emperor noticed the Horus Heresy is the bad ending of Samael's rebellion.

The fact that I can't die defending Eternity Gate, fighting besides Sanguinius, makes me legitimately sad. I long for a death so meaningful.

Full stop. Sanguinius is the entire reason I even got into Blood Angels and 40k. Because he is such a paragon of compassion mixed with the collective rage and anger of his legion. I am still reading through the Heresy as I write this, but even from the first glimpse I got of him and his legion, there is little else but respect and admiration I have for him and the blood angels. Other legions might be stronger. Maybe even better. But the Blood Angels and Sanguinius will always be my legion and my favorite.

Im also not a blood angels fan but sanguinius is one of my favorite primarchs. The perfect son, the beloved son, the son loved and/or respected by all his brothers. But deep down hes struggling to keep up with the facade of perfection. Slowly falling apart. Ive always been curious how an interaction with him and my favorite primarch, corvus corax, would go? The perfect son loved by all interacting with the timid and reclusive shadowed lord.

Oh this is gonna be my favorite I love the blood angels

3:28 Blangels are stored in the baals

Now after this video i am certain that if Sanguinius was the Warmaster he would have fallen to the temptations of Chaos even faster than Horus

The whole point of the cannel: Arthur try to explain why he loves maniac vampires not noble vampires

I dig sanguinius he's pretty cool, kind of like the same reason why superman is interesting, as strong as you are individually you can't fix the problems

Up until his primarch novel I figured the twist on Sanguinius was that his father hated him and he saw how bad his father came down on his other brothers and tried to be the best big brother and be kind and understanding. I figured since the imperiums very anti mutant stance perhaps officers were judgemental and didn't like him. Then you know siege of terra it was Sangunius who sacrificed himself for the emperor and the imperium then they beautify and appreciate him, after he's already gone. But instead we got "the bright reflection" of Konrad

As an fella who listened to the new sanguine audio feel you captured a lot of the essence of sanguinus and his moral core of poison is Medicin same time it’s still poison which is why he never desired to fix baal as the experience he and his people got from that life style was worth living trough instead of erasing it would be akin to extinction I might miss remembering the line But madness is more desirable then complete extinction personaly loved the book and would recommend it for others who curious of his ideals mindset and morals

One of the top 5 primarchs for sure... Amazing character

Plot twist: Snaguinious comes back as a dreadnought

I think the best character that Sanguinius can relate to is Record of Ragnarok's Apollo. He too has the "perfect image" motif that the other gods put on him but as he fights Leonidas(yes you read that right), he begins to show his true self in front of everyone.

Im listening to this after a returned after midnight from a party while walking the dog. Thank you Connor without you the warhammer space would be less fun :)

Nobody ever mentions how selfless Gillyman was when imperium Secundus was created and Sanguinius was made emperor ( yes i know he chose emperor regent) even though they're in the heart of ultramar, and ultima segmentum.

We all love him hes the perfect son

Will you ever go on 'Deep Dives' on the Primarchs? Like 20+ Mins? Or a review of them all once you finish the Horus Heresy ? Love the content!