SARS Whistleblower JvL: De Ruyter’s ‘naive’ investigation; Pravin Gordhan; being mugged 

Shocked at the comments about Pravin because he has done ZERO in his current portfolio. Every single SOE is an absolute mess. Pravin is about as useful as the "P" in pneumonia.

sorry Johan I think you are the naive one here for making excuses for these criminals this is in there blood and the next victim maybe will not be so lucky

This Johan guy has the audacity to criticize the book written by the courageous André De Ruyter without even reading it? What planet is he living on? Why did he even bother to come onto the program to waste our time? Please don't invite him again on your platform. Alec Hogg, I salute you for remaining very calm and polite despite the obvious irritation you must have felt when he said that "he did not even read the book, and he does not intend reading it." 👎🏼 He's clearly an ANC party apparatchik.😠

if he had been packing a 9 there could have been a few less rubbishes in society

We all have choices to make every day. Nothing gives them the right to take out their frustrations on innocent people.

I think Johann Van Loggerenberg should have read the book before he gave an interview about the book. What a pity! Johann has cast doubt on a book that does indeed contain many facts, even if some of the information isn't 100% factually checked. My advice is that he reads the book and only then delivers a contribution.= about the book.

My husband 75 and young son had to fight 5 taxi drivers and approx 5 bystanders attacking them with bricks in Silverton in pretoria. God was definitely with them. Long story. People in their cars watched as if it was a drive-in. Scandelous

I would feel NOTHING if the thugs got no service at a hospital. You are way too nice.

Johann you are so caught up in your world of self-esteem. Why go on this ranting spree if you haven't read the book? Read the book Johann! The most enlightened minds will still read the book...Don't forget you have your own skeletons. Finally, your comments on Pravin are not surprising...we see how hardworking Pravin is...proof? The "healthy" state of our SEOs.

There is nothing naive about Andre's book or himself. ANC never had a reputation to ruin, they ruined it themselves. Well done Andre! Caught them out and they are speechless licking their wounds, still acting innocent

How can u interview a person about a book which he hasn't read?

I am sorry for what happened But are we victim blaming? Are you goings to state next a woman was asking for it when she wears a mini shirt? We do not blame victims, there is lack of accountability in this country under the ANC

This interview was completely uninspiring. PG is one of our biggest problems for the last decade. Sorry JvL, i think you picked the wrong team here.

Hopefully the robbers run into some of the armed cyclists I know. Won't work out quite so well for them.

Think inaction by Pravin Gordhan is to save his arse!! Nothing more, nothing less!!!

Sorry to hear, we leave in such crime ridden country.

What’s his evidence! Sorry he’s not even read the book ?? I’m going to stop listening now

I feel your pain sir. I'm a black Xhosa speaker I went through what you went through about 2 months ago onboard a taxi, it wasn't nice it was painful. I lost everything. I am just thankful I am alive.

What a pity we lost an intelligent man like De Ruiter ...

Fantastic question. How we treat our children, is how they'll behave as adults

No, you are completely wrong. When you Live with these types of people for a long time you learn how their minds work. Life has no value and the items they take is more to dispossess you than anything else. Then, they themselves attach no value to their own lives. Besides crime pays for them. Five minutes work can net them way more than working every day nine to five jobs. Then, because there is no law and order in RSA it opens the door wide for criminals to do exactly as they please knowing there is no consequences for their actions. And as the country unravels completely it will get much worse. You have to fight fire with fire. Consider this... 5 minutes work netted them R4000. 60 minutes = R48,000 X 8 hours per work day = R384,000. Let's say they hit 4 people per day at R4000 that's R16,000 X 30 days = R480, 000 per month. Pretty good return on investment. Better than any job and any investment. Better return than Warren Buffett by far. And this is petty hijacking. What about the real stuff which is all due to the ANC

Alec, he acknowledged that he has not read the book. He would need to read it first before he is able to opine about the book with any measure of authority. I wonder what he bases his opinions on. It seems it is based on what he heard about the book.

I'm glad he is safe and survived this crime however I feel no pity for the criminals. We pay taxes for those hospitals that are meant to run well, like every ither country. Not our fault money is stolen. We pay taxes for the police that are meant to be patrolling those areas. If those criminals came against armed cyclists they could be charged with murder or manslaughter or whatever they Wana throw at us ppl who can no longer arm and protect ourselves. Eskom has known this could happen since early 2000s, anc is a total F up and im personally angry at those who still vote anc. I take it personally. Then u have ppl say go elsewhere, no, why should I am south African, this is my home. I'm young enough to have gained nothing from apartheid and also gained nothing since then. South Africa is dead and only way to save us is to remove anc.

Van Loggerenberg is a strange fellow - has an opinion without reading the book .....admires with Pravin ----in the end maybe government did have a good case against Van L and they just could'nt prove it ....still a loose canon

O please rather stop this conversation.

Andre has no reason to lie. There will always be critics and people who will try and disprove the things he has mentioned.

Johann read the book 🤨🤔

Has nobody ever given a book review without actually reading it.. Even at school? 😂

Pravin = anc uselessness

I google many stories. I did google the cartels mentioned by Andre and was shocked at the information contained in those googles. Having been in engineering for over 50 years, I can understand the incidents disclosed as I have experienced similar activities in some of the places I have worked.

Ooohhhh Please STOP .... !!!!

Oh shoosh What made them.that way was their own choices And u got privileges cause u pay thousands in med aid

Please! Really Pravin's staffer from SARS days coming to back to defend his friend.

Yes but we pay for every thing. My plan for medical cost a lot. I don't get nothing for free.

I am reading the book now and it is a page turner, reads more like a fictional thriller than a political book

Violent crime is a product of our society, as it is of all societies that experience such. My sincere condolences to you and all people that have been on the receiving end of violent crime.

Most people in charge in politics don't know what they're doing, but the worse part is that they don't know that they don't know what they're doing.

Jumped by some ‘violent bad people’ you say? Were they Japanese? Scandinavian? Caucasian? Please do be more specific as this is quite peculiar In the rainbow nation

😐 I often hear South Africans saying “At least I am alive” and it pains me because the impact and neuronal damage of trauma is significant. Strong evidence demonstrating that chronic cortisol levels in the brain is toxic and damages and kill neurons. Keep in mind that we can’t regrow braincells (apart from the hippocampus). Rationalise it as you will, living in a dangerous and violent country causes severe neurological damage on a daily basis. Please, if you have young children, consider investing in their brain health and future, offshore. Just because you can’t see the damage in the brain doesn’t mean it’s not there. This heightened sense of threat avoidance requires higher levels of subconscious brain activity and increases the need for a neurotransmitter that also become toxic in too high levels. High activity in the brain also means more waste because of oxidation - like running a diesel generator inside your house 24/7 - and may increase the risk of brain diseases such as dementia for adults like you. ⚡️If you lose your mind, you lose everything.⚡️

This one did not read the book

Don't really agree with this guy. I'm reading the book now, will hopefully gain more insights.

Take care of yourself Mr Andre D .R. We all wish you well and we will continue praying for you there is a greater power that will protect you.GOD BLESS .

It was a warning to Johan

A communist with a ‘formidable intellect’? Nah…. Gordhan was good at sars because it aligns with his statist big government tax them to the grave mentality … however- he was zumas finance minister lets never forget- and as head of the SOEs? Has there ever been anyone more lamentable? I say no

I can tell you what "occurred in their lives" and what made them violent but I think I would rather keep it to myself. Unfortunately, this way of thinking is why we as white South Africans are biting the dust, we are what they called "Jannie Jammergatte" in afrikaans.

Pravin flopped. If he was a strategic thinker ? Least he be judged by his actions.

Dis duidelik dat johann aan Stockholm sydrome ly. Kyk ook na die manier wat hy sit terwyl hy praat.

South Africans are very shortsighted and tend to forget the efforts made by Gordhan during the Zuma years. Imho his legacy is being tarnished by remaining in politics. He should have resigned 2 years ago as clearly his hands are tied by the ANCs infighting. But However having listened to this podcast I can understand why he wants to remain...just a pity though, that not even he can make a difference as far as Eskom is concerned.

Maybe if they start voting for better people all of us can have the privelege of good health care. They bring their suffering upon themsleves then wants to blame better off people for their volley.

The fact is and correct me if I am wrong, nobody are accused or go to jail for the corruption at ESKOM. This is sick. I see it like this: if there is a high flyer at the ANC involved in the corruption then it is covered up. We will never know. Ek is gatvol vir ESKOM se nonsense.

I wish i would be calm like that after such incident.

Calling those criminals victims will give more criminals the feeling they must behave this way. You sound a bit woke dude

Huge respect for this man about the philosophical and reflective outlook. We need more of that.

Extreme skepticism is when a bus hits you full face and you go "auw its nothing".That would be extreme skepticism about the role of matter, until a bus hits you.

Interviewed for his comments on a book he admits he has not read. Wasting my time.

Wishing you well Johan…🙏🙏🙏

Pravin was under huge pressure from the RET by the time de Ruyter met him he had been thoroughly battered by them. He was probably very different before that

Mr van !oggenberg I am very sorry to hear of what happened to you!

Johan i am so so sorry. We should all be able to go cycling without fear. Tensions are so high at the moment. Maybe Tension has been high for the last 15 years as unemployment has risen and fear has risen and resentment has grown for the haves and have nots. Its just so frustrating that things have not got better and the hopelessness drives fear and fear i believe drives hate. But how do we reduce the fear of the future of South Africa?

His own subjective experiences of Minister Jordan has subjective value. That is where it ends for me though.

The service they will get at a hospital is the service they voted for , I see that head injury has you thinking a bit unclear there 😂

JvL you should listen to Queen's "Bicycle". The days of riding your bike safely in RSA is relic of the past. Rather take a walk with your Smith and Wesson by your side.

Oh man alive, all the experts suddenly coming alive!!!!

I can concur there with Johan's comment about Pravin Gordhan when he was Commissioner. I also worked at SARS at the same time as Johan did but n a different department. Pravin is very strict , hard and straight and I liked it - you knew exactly where you stood with him. He expected the best and for you to go the extra mile. Many weekends during budget times we worked when Pravin wanted results and budgets and when he said on a Friday we work on Saturday, you don't argue - but when the job was done Pravin would also give you the credit and recognition. He was an excellent and good Commissioner, great leader and and a no-nonsense man - he shouldn't have left SARS but I guess his bosses decided otherwise

As an pensioner white lady l have used the state hospitals several times. IMO there is nothing wrong with the state hospital care especially the emergency and out patient care. My only criticism is the waiting time and one must look past the derelict decor. One must direct anger against the local authorities and central and provincial government for lack of infrastructure maintenance

The presenter must be very disappointed with the response from Johan on the book an Pravin

Your guest was such a disappointment, he knew what the subject of conversation was going to be all about. All he could talk about was his attack. He should be ashamed of himself totally unprepared. Felt for you Alex, you always have such good guests and they know what the talk subject will be. Really quite shocking from this guy

It's not privilage but all SA's are entitled to good service delivery not matter the skin colour, back ground or standing in soceity! We have become complaceint, distracted and not put the anc led government on the spot, held them accountable!

Alec was disappointed, he expected Johan to kick Gordhan and sing praises to Andre. Good moral standing Johan.

Well spoken Johan. As far as the content of the book, all is not lost. Because what has a happened is documented history. de Ruyter being an attorney surely knows his way (and so the advisors) around. Rubbishing the investigator firm for what is in the eye of the public can only be warrented if that is the only hand that there is to show? If the matter goes the course to court, then everything will be under oath.

I am so tired of people feeling bad for their privilege! Privilege is earned period, everyone that has privilege, either them or their fore farthers or ancestors hade to sacrifice, do things they did not want to do, suffer extensively daily to earn the said privilege

Van Loggerenberg's comments about Pravin... is it possible that he has this management style so that he is strongly positioned within the ANC ? I think it is.

I wish there were more people like Johan in this world we live in. 💐

Has his incident somrthing to do with his answers now????

There is no excuse for these attacks

Where was Sars investigating the finances of these SOE s?

I think they scared JvL with that attack

Not reading the book but you have something to say, this was a badly timed interview, this chap was traumatised.

South African society is the pits. there is a line that creatures dont cross in treating each other but south africans cross that line all the time, demening and dehumanising one another constantly leads to extreme violence. I work but I live and sleep like a dog, not by choise but by will of others. simply because of my melonin. something I cant change.

Lol, I haven't had a medical aid since 1990, I guess I should be angry at my lot and i should go rob and beat someone up? Ps I am healthier for the lack of a medical aid than any of my peers. Only time we need a doctor is when an incident like this occurs.

Kaballah here without doubt. Hmmm, when the veil is lifted some day, we’ll be shocked at how many traitors SA actually has. All for greed. De Ruyter did the right thing. Experience in businesses last decades share the same corrupt pattern as they’ve done to DeR.

As Victim of Crime myself i disagree with! Johan's Stance on he's unfortunate attack as well as he's Stance on die RUYTER book !! THIS country is a Heaven for all Criminal,s and personally i will NEVER forgive my Attackers ,in Fact i hate the Barstards with a Passion !**

I bet this guy was not attacked at all. That's a make up job to give him an opportunity to say what he did.

I really enjoyed listening to this. He is very forgiving. I'm not convinced about Gordhan though - I have believed in him for too long.

Yip - this man sure shows fellow-feeling in spades... Mans inhumanity to his fellow man, woman and child, is so sad... Hope Johann recovers and regains peace of mind somehow... Shocking experience to have endured...

'I became acutely aware of my privilege' and 'I consider the attackers as victims'. I think Johann is suffering from some sort of Stockholm syndrome. Or some extreme form of progressivism where even being killed by perceived disadvantaged groups seems justifiable. I have sympathy for Johann's ordeal, but unfortunately attitudes like this are not met with reciprocity in Africa - it is exploited. Africa understands only projections of brute strength as deterrents to violence, unfortunately.

Thank you for an informative, insightful discussion.

This is a political hack...finish&klaar! Why the hell would you give him anybairtime

Violence... well, NPCs have no feelings or soul, they have no heart and no conscience whatsoever. They.are.not.human! Please dont pitty the heartless, they won't think twice to kill you. Stop feeling sorry for evil!

So what. Let those thugs rot wherever they land up. How about picking up your head and looking us straight in the eye...

Our sincerest thoughts are with you 🙏🏻 thank you for sharing your reflection of such a horrible experience. I feel your ❤️ heart and your truth. Thank you 🙏🏻

His body language demonstrates that he is still protecting himself. His affect is very flat. He isn’t really interested in the book because it might be deemed as a de Ruyter apologist. If people envisage he is it may put him in danger. Nothing is forthcoming so don’t waste time waiting for the sky to fall.

You have a good heart i am very proud of you God must pray for the country

What a senseless interview… the man admits that he hasn’t read André’s book?

Pointless interview if the interviewed did not read the book. Why then mention the book at all. If the topic was PG's character then why even mention the book? Click baiting in my opinion. And shame, the poor assailants, feel sorry for them. They have been harmed hence the harm they inflict on their victims is justified. Poor souls 🤬🤬🤬

Wasnt he the one who was honey trapped?

I think this poor man suffers from Stockholm syndrome.

This guy is not in a good space. He's gone through alot.

Angry adults are little children crying.

Just another normal day in SA