Years ago, we had a mandatory 30 minute safety meeting every Saturday morning. Everyone showed up and no one complained ...... until someone in management figured out, due to the Union contract, everyone attending whose safety meetings were required to be paid double time for a minimum of four hours. Those safety meetings came to an abrupt halt.
I'm the guy the unions vets hate, I will not for any circumstances come in on my day off no matter how much you're willing to pay me or how much notice I get. I will never come in on my day off.
Had a union job like that where it was 4 hrs pay if you came in. During the summer we had to record temps on our big storage tanks every day including weekends. People would happily volunteer to come in for a 30 min job. Once the company decided that if they had to pay for 4 hours we would have to work 4 hours, suddenly no one wanted to come in.
Pick a day during the week. Everyone shows up, mandatory, paid meeting prior to shift start. Done. Ain't nobody who works with his hands and tears his body up every day coming in on one of his precious days off. Or, rather, nobody with any dignity or self respect.
Piss on that, your stupid meeting starts after my start time and after I punched in 😅 I'm not coming in early so some pencil jockey can tell me how to do my job safely when they've never even done it 🤷♂️
My security company required me to do a six hour online driving course, unpaid on MY time off. I politely reminded them that they hired someone with eight years of military defensive driving training and two years of commercial trucking and I do NOT work for free. It's been three months and I haven't heard a word about it since.
"if I can do my job in 30 minutes, it's because I spent the last 10+ years learning how to do my job that quickly. You pay for the years, not the minutes".
They tried something similar with me. Except it was for armed security and they hired me off of a firing range. I told them to check my refs and get back to me if they wanted to try and pull that nonsense. Fuckin salary office workers. Never done a damn ounce of real anything, and think they know better than anyone else.
Something fun! The boss or the safety guy doesn't decide when it's OT. The law and your contract decides when you get OT. I had a boss pull this crap, I let him get away with it for a few weeks before wage&hour lit his ass up.
This has happened to me a few times... I was once Voluntold to attend a "Mandatory Meeting" on my day off. I asked if I was getting overtime for that and they said No it's "Mandatory". Then I said No and I won't come in if I'm not getting paid for it, 5 minutes later the rest of the Employees heard about my disagreement and they all joined in and said No as well (The Result was "Mandatory Paid Meetings")
Federal Law states you have to be paid for a meeting you are forced to attend(same with mandatory work parties), if you dont then that is wage theft and can win big money in court. Most companies rely on ignorance of your rights to get away with this, also unless you are salary(or one of the few overtime exempt jobs) any time over 40 hours is supposed to be charged at OT rate (which in most states is 1.5 but it can be higher)
@@ztmackin this is why my old company did meetings and work parties during work hours to count as part of work time.. might also have been part of why we were constantly behind schedule including no overtime and no pushbacks even for emergencies that shut down the entire operation for days at a time.
Our company is basically like this right now. Management still tries to act like they can dictate what we do, but they are so desperate for workers, they can't afford to fire anyone currently on staff. Let's just say there's been a lot of rule breaking going on, with little to no repercussions. 😂
Lol my old company is still firing for minor infractions, and still not hiring anyone. Hell when they fired me who performed multiple critical roles they still haven't hired anyone. I would imagine what kind of hell was raised but frankly don't give a shit.
@@Slowpoke3x i have seen/worked several companies die this way. totally deserve it to. the people who worked there for 30 years only for to many people quitting to run it didnt deserve it for sure but the owners doing that sure did! also have seen some companies do very well after the old ones shut down or went bankrupt
@@Slowpoke3x they fired one of, if not the most, important person at the business (you). They didn't think of you when they fired you. If the company goes to shit because of their poor management, that's on them.
I worked at a bridge fabrication company (D 1.5 certs) We had a 10 min safty meeting every morning and a 30 min one at the end of the the day on Fridays. The safety man acted almost exactly like this one and he couldn't get through a single meeting without saying the word 'complacent' haha 😆
Everybody pays one guy on the team like 10 bucks to show up and run the meeting off of his cell phone for the others. Now everyone can attend the safety meeting as required but the others get to stay home.
Way to throw your boys under the bus. Theres a bigger picture over just the 8 hrs on the day off... its keeping these corporate bean counters in check. One guy still gives them power they dont need.
Ya love how we do osha retraining on the weekend for free,when right on the card it clearly says this card does not expire,but somehow every three years here we go again or loose your job!!
It's so true. I work in a production shop building pressure vessels and as a code welder we can get away with murder cause there is nobody to replace us. Why is so many jobs available?
A company I used to work for always had them at 6am on a Tuesday, once a month (for insurance purposes.) It was always 45 minutes of one or 2 supervisors crying about something. We did get paid though
Years ago , I managed an auto parts store and my company required me to hold a store meeting once a month and it had to last for one hour . It could not be held during store hours so we held them on Sunday mornings at 8:00 . It was a mandatory meeting so employees were paid for one hour and one day during the week they went home one hour early to prevent paying overtime . Imagine trying to do that today .
@@victormendoza871 Actually I think It's a two part problem you got the first part the second part is the constant need to get higher profits which drives bosses to think it's ok to work their employees into the grave by not hiring for positions they should and heaping it onto those who are there so you end up with a bunch of overworked people who couldn't find a fuck to give.
I mean... I'd make a point to add coffee donuts, and ******** Ahem, I mean breakfast. You can bribe people into being much less pissed off....sometimes
@@victormendoza871 I just want to point out, they did not accept the job with them being told at the beginning these meetings were going to take place, they were told after the fact. That's not laziness nor not wanting to do what they are being paid for. That is called, not wanting to do something they were not told they had to do and the company trying to bribe them with money to do it. If you don't tell someone they have to do something beforehand, don't get upset when they say no when you throw it at them. That's like going to your family's house to hang out and then being told you HAVE to babysit the kids, but it's fine cause they will pay you 10 bucks
2 months on a pipeline job we hit OT either late wednesday or early thursday every week. Last week of the job was 6 14-hour days to get the job done, and on the last day someone took off with the company truck that had everyone's lunches in it and didn't come back until home time. I really hope someone beat his ass for that.
This, I worked for a company that said we had to go to the main office, 4 hrs away, and do mandatory forklift training. So my head driver and I, warehouse manager, went to the training. my driver was already on OT and we had to drive a rental box truck there. I was salary so I was atleast hoping for my time spent. we got 70 bucks and it was a 12 hr day for both of us. I was irate and the owner came in our branch that following week and got a ear full. ohh just a note the guys that worked at the main office got paid the same and they only stayed for 4 hrs
Glad Michigan has an over 40 law. Any time spent over 40 is guaranteed at least time and a half and im not entering the building on a Saturday unless im on the clock homeboy
I love my job (ai live in illinois), but my companies policy is anything over 8 hours in a day is OT... so if you work for 10 hours one day, and 6 the next, but 8 hours the next 3, you still got 2 hours of overtime... you only worked 40 hours, but got paid 41 hours of pay for doing it... I like to think of it like a little pat on the back for a job well done. 🤣🤣🤣
Reminds me of a factory that tried to make everyone work overtime on the first weekend of Deer Season. They theeatened to let people go. 75% of the plant said they were not going to show up, and they didn't. No one got fired or even a note on their record.
If you want me at a meeting on MY day off I'm a need double pay, it better not go over 3 hrs, amazing food and a free pass to be grumpy at work for the next week for not being able recoup from work drama. These terms are negotiable if adult beverages are provided.
I'd tell Safety Man that either he shells out for the overtime out of his own pocket for everyone he's requiring to come, or he can tell management why the labor board is hanging out by the front gate asking why ppl aren't getting paid correctly.
Our safety meetings involve me telling my operators the hazards of tracking by myself or other welders in the ditch in full rabbit. Rocks WILL be airborne and will enter the cab windows open or not.
sh!+, if it's not double time, not showing up. I worked for a company that had Mandatory Saturday training, double time wasn't enough, they threw in breakfast and lunch and somehow we managed to clear our schedule.
@@captainnoob4 it depended on how often the updated our system. We also got paid for attending self help seminars, and 3 days of self care in a beautiful hotel.
A few years ago I worked for an AG trucking outfit in NWKS that tried that. Said it was "MANDATORY", and if you didn't show up you weren't driving. It was funny when they had 12 empty trucks that following Monday afternoon. Keep in mind we were pushing 90+ hr weeks on comic books. We stayed at the lake for an extended fishing weekend. Didn't take long for the head honcho to get involved. We were back in our trucks that Friday without going to a meeting, got paid for the missed loads, and within 2 weeks Dispatch, and the truck push, got relocated to a different branch in Iowa. Still a bunch of us still quit within the month, and the few of us owner ops put on with their competitor.
I'm a sheet metal worker, local 36 out of St Louis. I had a safety guy pick up a piece of off-fall from a tap I cut into the duct and tell me, "this is pretty sharp..." I looked at him and waited, instead of saying "no shit". He went and told my general he wants all of us to wear Kevlar arm sleeves while we work from now on. He probably wrote a report to his boss, you know, so it wouldn't look like he just stands around with his hands in his pockets all day while the rest of us get the work done.
I work in a shipyard building some real fancy boats, between 30-60 folks there most days, but every group gets split up and has a meeting with their sorta group leader (employee owned company so no “bosses” anymore). Keeps everyone clued in to what works getting done and where, as well as potential hazards associated with said work. Never worked a building/home construction job, and I’m sure it’s got its differences, given most days I get to work inside the whole way through, but it seems like a easy enough system, just takes an extra 20 minutes from your morning, and means you gotta be on time lol
i work for a gov't contracted shipyard.... one thing i love about our union is that they can't force anything on us that's not paid, or in our regular hours of operation.
Nope...meeting is held on company time not the employees. I'll show up at start time on the dot if you wanna play that...fire me, I was looking for a job when I found this one
My company gets it, safety meetings are after start time, and they're always short sweet and to the point. Even when we did TDG training it was on a weekday during work hours. It was just scheduled in days prior so the work was adjusted around it
Dang Safety Man, why didn't you call the big guy.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Ricky is a freakin awesome BOSS. Come Wednesday afternoon, Boss Man is in his truck his movies.🤣🤣🤣
Soo, my current arrangement with work is I have some assigned days and get the shifts people call out on (happens a lot and I make a killing) that I'm not guaranteed hrs on; they are essentially days off. On top of that, I'm a contractor, which means they can't treat me like a regular employee. That out of the way. Wrote my boss and said not to worry about finding me work for the days I'm off, that I would be out. 5 years at this company and not one sick day, vacation, or missed shift. Came in snow storms when no one else could make it and so on. Anyway, this guy straight up writes me back saying I need to give advanced notice when asking off and couldn't approve the absence. Which I very politely reminded him that the days not guaranteed to be paid days during the week were days already off and I wasn't asking for my time off. Apologized for the misunderstanding and didn't hear from him again. The level of entitlement with employers across the board is mind boggling. I don't understand it.
I do the exact same thing when I am told on a Wednesday or Thursday that there is a "Mandatory" safety meeting on. Saturday and there will be FREE breakfast... Whatever it is I will learn it next week, hell it is usually stuff that is either common sense or the EXACT same stuff they covered last safety meeting and the one before that
I'll be honest, I worked construction for a year when I was younger, and it was absolute backbreaking work in the harshest of climates. After that year, I chose a different career path. The pay was great, but I just wasn't up to the job. Construction workers will always have my utmost respect.
Yeap had this happen on drillingbrig ..2 weeks on 2 weeks off and mandatory safety meeting for 4 of those days off !!! Straight pay and no bonus ....plus travel over 300 miles to home office ! Yeap ....got my ass run off but was back to work same day I applied ...thank God for good experience 🙏
There was a mandatory meeting at a place worked that wanted me to show back up to work after 4 hours of being off, kicker was it was only for a hour. I showed up with a pissed off racoon in a live trap. Never was asked to show back up for those meetings again and still managed to have a job, don’t know how but ok.
On the last construction job I worked at in the late 90s we worked six 12s plus a lot more. When thanksgiving rolled around we were told we had to work on all three days of that weekend and also Christmas. My response was count me out. They said I would not have a job on Monday but they lied about it. I was offered a foreman position to which I said no way. Next I was offered a travel position . Some people never learn. I worked until the job was over and began on another job that next day.😊
Paying employees their straight-time pay for overtime hours is in violation of the FLSA and therefore illegal. However, if your employee is salaried and exempt from overtime benefits, you can compensate them with straight-time pay even if they go over 40 hours in a week.
That is true no one wants to work anymore where my cousin works there's a 68-year-old truck driver with dementia and instead of the retiring him they just threw in the GPS that reminds him what to do and where to go
If anyone told me they wouldn't stand for anything I said or did I would be in the managers office explaining why I cussed him out. These days I am pretty different, but the defiance and understanding of my own worth remains. I just won't be cussing the boss out anymore.
State law here says that you hold a mandatory meeting it counts as hours worked, if the meeting takes place out side of regular hours it has to be paid as a minimum of one hour.
As someone who's now ruined the safety record at my current job with 3 safety reports and 3 X-rays in as many months. How would the safety man react to an employee who is naturally clumsy?
fired. you're a liability to the company from their eyes. we had a guy that was the same way. had a chainfall/comealong slip and bust him in the mouth, then missed with a sledge and broke his thumb, then leaned against a bulkhead(wall) where a welder had just finished on the backside and got 3rd degree burns on his upper arm.. in a year. haven't seen him back.
I haven't seen anything besides straight time pay for the last 3 yrs. I'm a united states merchant marine on the Ohio river and I work 7days on and 7days off 12-14hr shifts. I'd give anything to have time and a half on my 84hr checks
Mandatory means scheduled and paid, Saturday is the last day of the week, so anytime over 40 is overtime. In my early 20's I had a foreman tear into me about being on time, I start when the pay starts, he was positive that on time is 10 minutes early. See they concocted this scheme where employees load the trucks for the day on their own time and unload at the end of the day on company time. I never agreed to any of it, it was just company practice as far as I knew. The resolution ended up being that the company needed me more than I needed them, and they chose accordingly. I've never been paid enough for that kind of dedication. Years later that same foreman started his own roofing company and begged me to work for him. I did and he never expected me a minute early. You want me there at 6:20, then tell me 6:20, don't tell me 6:30 then pitch a fit when I start at exactly 6:30, even if I'm present at 6:20 I'll stand there sipping my coffee and watch you work for free. My kids were both in highschool band and their band director lived by the motto that "on time is 10 minutes early" I argued with him about it many times. Once going to a football game 50 miles from home my wife and I were running late, 15 miles from home we passed the band bus. The wife and I entered the stadium just after the national anthem. I had a field day with him after they arrived halfway through the 2nd quarter. My son was on the football team and said the team got there at a normal time. My daughter was in the marching band and said they left the school according to the band directors schedule... And my ass was there exactly on time.
I have a safety company breakfast/meeting this Saturday. Unpaid but required and has to be logged. D.O.T. loop hole allows as such because food is furnished.
I used to work for a company that had mandatory safety meetings every day. But it was only an excuse for us to get together to burn a fat one every afternoon. Didn't take long for the other crews on site to figure out what we were up to. So EVERYBODY on the job was showing up for them. Luckily, none of the other bosses figured out what we were up to.😇
Boss man: "Just as I thought. You don't have anyone to replace any of us if we got fired. Who's in charge now, Safety Man? Just go back to your trailer and sit your dumbass down so we can get back to work."
How cute the safety man actually thinkin like he has some sort of power, man we HAD one of those until he figured out the guy running A shovel had more pull than him fired his ass real quick.
This is that crap they would pull on us over inventory. "Be here Saturday at 6am, we can knock it all out by 8am no problem." .......every damn time we were there until 1 or 2 pm and no OT pay 🙄
Other words to look out for Brown bagging This means they want an hour long meeting. But don’t want to loose productivity doing it. So they have the meeting during lunch Leveraging synergies Run. Just run. Print off your CV’s and start looking for another job. Because this means they want to cut costs. And the best way to cut costs for them is to start sacking people
