This may be a blessing in disguise. By bringing this ship & it current situation to light, it may bring folks to open up their wallets to help save these great old ships. So they can keep telling their tales of man vs the sea & nation vs nation.
Very good story. It's particularly special to me after meeting the only living granddaughter and having her tell her story and the story of the Sullivans. We met her when we visited the museum in Waterloo. She took time off of school (she's a teacher) to meet with us. She also showed us the picture of her breaking the champagne bottle against the ship at the dedication (or commissioning).
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@@wgowshipping You've earned it. Now if we can only get the damned Everforward out my much loved Chesapeake Bay. Me and a buddy took a small wooden rowboat to the Forrestal being outfitted in Newport News, that's before high security. Awesome looking up from the waterline...moving into it's shadow the temperature must have dropped 20 degrees or more in that hot day. Warmest regards
Thanks for bringing awareness. Without your highlight, would never have know. You’re making a difference, bc at the very least, the museum got my donation.
Years ago I spent a day on the SS Jeremiah O'Brien (retired Liberty Ship) in San Francisco Bay during "Fleet Week". We watched the Blue Angels air show from the ship on the bay. It was a great day. It was clear to me that the financial strength needed to keep these museum ships going was beyond the resources practically available. Some sort of state support is needed to keep a museum ship in the water (sailing or not). Otherwise - is it feasible to drag them to a dry dock onshore?
I served over two and a half year’s on the USS Little Rock CLG4, the World War 11 Cruiser that the USS The Sullivan’s is moored too . These two ships and the submarine SS Croaker are irreplaceable pieces of naval history.
Get this ship afloat!! Five men (brothers),(sons) died together on the same ship during WWII. That is why the rules were changed. If you are the last of the line, you came home. President Biden, get that ship afloat!
I get that this ship needs to be saved but he’s my issue with this. Our government send billions of dollars all the time to other countries. So they raise tons of money by raising our taxes than they send it to other countries plus line there own pockets instead of using our tax money to pay for things we need like these museums. Than when things like this happen the bleeding hearts send tons of money for these projects and again most of the money you give gets put in someone else’s pocket it’s a vicious cycle that gets worse every time we don’t keep these people in check
my grandfather served with George around 40 or 41 on his first tour. I wish I knew more but when he told me their story he said he was a hell of a sailor and one tough,ornery sob ( meant as a compliment) I wish he would have opened up more but there was just some stuff he couldn't talk about even after 40-50 years. But I'm grateful he taught me about those 5 brothers and I wish I had known the old boat was in such dire shape. I've been in marine salvage for years and would have donated time and money. I've already sent some emails and hopefully can help with more than a donation. if anything comes of it I'll let you know but for now I've got a diver/welder and gear ready to go.
Thanks for this video. It's sad that so many Americans don't know the story of the Sullivan brothers, and for that matter, the Juneau. My only complaint is that I had to get a few more tissues.
Wow Sal, great video…! I am 59yrs young, and it brought to my eyes. I recall (being very young) my dad telling me a brief story of the Sullivan brothers who perished all together on a ship in WWII. At that time, I recall being just incredulous that that could happen, and the fact that the parents had lost all their boys. Love that you have the historical credentials that you have, and could give us this video, in the special way that you do… Thank you sir.
I recall seeing "The Fighting Sullivans" movie back in the 1950's, probably on Channel 9 in NYC on the Million Dollar Movie program. My father served in the Navy in the South Pacific and I can remember a lot of the back stories he told me about his experiences. He was a coxswain too. Thank you for the link in the show notes. I have followed it and made a contribution in the memories of all of those who served our country in WWII. My mother was an Army nurse in England and France too. Yes, she did wear combat boots.
@@BillyLapTop My grandmother served in the Royal Canadian Air Force during World War II, but judging from the old photos, she was in dress shoes most of the time. Whatever she wore, I'm proud that she did her part to kick Hitler in his backside! 👍
@@daviddunsmore103 So glad you had a family member serving in WWII. I'm fortunate to have pictures of my mother out in the field taking care of the wounded and grab shots with coworkers. What is so amazing now to me was how young everyone was then in those photos. She graduated nursing school in '42 and immediately enlisted in the Army. She had no desire to sit back and watch, she got right into it. My father's sister was also an Army nurse in WWII and stayed in the reserves for 30 years, retiring with the rank of colonel. For a female that was an amazing accomplishment in those times.
⚓️ Thanks Sal 😎Sore point. 118 museum ships nationwide, some part of the National Parks. All these museum ships compete for $$$, a myriad of nonprofits & fundraising. Hindered by their own executive boards because the executive staff skims $$$ for salaries & benefits. Unify the whole mess like the National Parks & develop a national strategy. But no… some ox $$$ will be gored & the ships suffer.
As a ten year old boy growing up in the 1950s I become an avid stamp collector especially US commeroratives. The Sullivan Brothers commerative lead me to search the local library books for more info...had to use the card catalogues...pre-internet days. Thanks for the video and history of the Sullivan Brothers.
When a kid, I saw the old black and white movie about The Sullivans. Heartbreaking. See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullivan_brothers#:~:text=The%20five%20Sullivan%20brothers%20were,sinking%20around%20November%2013%2C%201942. My grandparents lost their only son, killed in action in Nazi Germany. They never fully recovered. Remember Bill Lorenz please.
The USS The Sullivans DD 537 had problems for years and nothing done to move her to a dry dock and repair correctly -or- make a slip and put her on land. This is a video from 2021 with holes and yes they will only get bigger: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9WSHWGbnVnQ.html I have visited the ship along with Little Rock CLG 4 many times and they are great museum ships. In 1977, she and cruiser USS Little Rock (CG-4) were processed for donation to the Buffalo and Erie County Naval & Military Park in Buffalo, New York. The ship now serves as a memorial.
I don't come from a seafaring or sailing family so this Channel and Battleship New Jersey are the only two maritime-related channels I subscribe to. If you don't subscribe to Battleship New Jersey you should it is worth it. The curator really knows his stuff. I'm almost a little bit jealous - that has got to be a great job.
Ryan has done a great job. He is also president of the Historic Naval Ship Association. He started the channel to raise funds for the ship during COVID. It has grown tremendously. I just think he needs a hair stylist...but who am I to judge. 🤣
We have a few historical ships here in SF Bay, including the liberty ship USS Red Oak Victory that was made (along with hundreds of others) at the Kaiser ship yards in Richmond Ca. She was mothballed for decades and scheduled for the scrapyard until a group of volunteers talked the navy into donating her due to her local history. Hundreds of people have spent hundreds of hours restoring her over the past decade, and she’s still not completely finished. Takes a lot work and money to save these old ships. Thank you for sharing the story of the Sullivan Bros.!!
Thanks for this Sal! Just donated $50 hoping it helps a little bit. Keeping that history alive is incredibly important. If you get a chance, look at the history of USS Extractor (ARS-15) - My father-in-law was the ship's "doc" corpsman when she was sunk. Check out Claude Conner's "Nothing Friendly in the Vicinity".
D@#$ RU-vid - their AI interrupts with an advert right after LCDR Hands-In-Pockets says, "All 5" Grrrrrrr _Then,_ when the boys are walking off into the clouds, Google overlays another ad. SMH 🤦♂️. Otherwise, it's a shame that _USS The Sullivans_ has become the "poster boat" for a perpetual museum ship problem: watersidemaintenance. I think #Drachinifel covered battleship _USS Texas,_ which got very close to beating this DD to the prize in recent years. Ships are always expensive, and taking them out of service does not reduce that expense. It's almost sacrilegious to suggest putting these ships in a concrete berth, but that _is_ the most practical answer. (I recognize the practicality, but abhor it at the same time.) Thanks, Sal.
I served for two and a half year’s on the Cruiser USS Little Rock CLG4 that the USS The Sullivan’s is moored next too . I’ve been donating to the USS Little Rock former crew association and the USS Sullivan’s and the SS Croaker ,all three of these World War 11 warships are important historical ships !!!
My son went on Sat. the pictures are heartbreaking. As a young girl we went on overnight trips. I could never sleep. It was cold and uncomfortable. It made it very unsettling knowing what sailors experienced. So much respect for the Sullivan's and all the young men lost in War.
A bit of information on Great Lakes shipyards. Great Lakes shipping is seasonal. During the summer, the boats are out working, and generally only visit a shipyard after a grounding, collision or allision. During the winter, the boats are laid up, as dealing with the heavy ice cover is a hassle, but more importantly, because the piles of stone or other materials freeze up, and can't be handled. Thus, shipyards and drydocks are very busy in the winter, but the drydocks are usually empty in the summer. All of the drydocks were built to handle very large vessels, and several can handle the "footers", 1000' x 105'. Erie PA has a 1000' drydock. Note that a substantial percentage of Great Lakes boats have sunk or had severe bottom damage at least once in their careers, and the shipyards are very experienced in hull plating repairs. SS John W. Brown came to the Great Lakes in 2000 to be drydocked in Toledo, as most ocean shipyards can't do riveting any more.
The USS Kidd is in Baton Rouge ..not New Orleans. Well worth the visit. I last toured her in 2005 (ish) and there is a really nice museum next to it full of really nice ship models built mostly by shipmates
Love your channel, but not every 80 year old ship needs saving. There are other ships of the class still preserved. A plaque or other monument can commemorate the Sullivans if desired.
Sir : You could have emphasized the most important part of the Sullivan. As a historic ship she will be repaired and floated again. Yet the namesake the Sullivan and the loss of five brothers is important in law and history. The consequences of the loss of five brothers moved the Navy and Washington at the time, to never allow five brothers to the same theater during war time or have all the male members of a family in combat so that an air could be a complete casualty of war.
I am from Buffalo. I randomly drove by the ship last night coming home from dinner. It was quite the scene with all the reporters there and workers trying to save it. Hopefully they do save it and I understand Sals viewpoint for sure but as an average guy driving by I wondered if the juice is worth the squeeze to save this junk ? Nevermind losing the history, that is obv a tragedy but the actual work, resources, and money to get this back… seems like a lot for a ship that’s pretty much neglected completely until people see it go
The Donjon drydock in Erie is frequently empty, especially in the summer. Giggle satellite image shows it empty. Size approx 1,030' x 135', to handle 1000' "boats".
Thanks for bringing this to the RU-vid world and will hopefully cause needed conversations about our museum ships. My wife and I went on the battleship North Carolina last fall. As you probably know, she is not in great shape either. Glad that Drachinfel is touring the States. He has been an avid critic of what had been going on with the pre-dreadnaught Texas and I think she is finally in dry dock. Thanks again for your story.
Great Explanation. You are doing a great job. The 250 Maritime Museums in the U.S. are the key to spreading the word. Loose Lips / Save Ships - Tell a Friend.
Why bother? You obviously don't care about anything which has 'culture' attached to it. Normally there is funding available, however not in the case. America has always proclaimed anything public has to make money. So, scrap the boat and sell it to the highest bidder!
I've seen Ryan's videos about New Jersey. Also I have seen video updates about battleship Texas. I was wondering if Battleship Alabama survived the hurricanes. She at the time was in Mobile that took a direct hit from Katrina.
Don-Jon has a big dry dock in Erie that just rehabbed a sub out of Cleveland- I’m sure they’re aware of the situation, but gave them a heads up anyway- hopefully the Sullivan won’t be too far gone and be able raise enough to save her. Helped with the Tamaroa ( Zuni) in B’more before they towed her out and made a reef out of her. Tough to witness but it’s the natural progression of things.
This year we will finally make the walk over to the Liberty ship in Athens. Just never enough time when we are there and it's only a few minute walk around the pier from where we get on the ferry. We will go see it this september.
I’ve grown up in Buffalo most of my life, and I’ve visited her every year since I was 5. I’m 15 now going on 16, she means everything to me, and o can’t let her go down. Not like this.
Sullivan's = named after the 5 brothers that all were killed at war. Key to military history and why one son must stay home to carry on the family name and so a mother has at least one child left for her. Moskva Intel. Roports not Ukraine but, British were responsible for the sinking.
