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Say NO to GTO 

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📜 Video Description 📜
Poker solvers can be useful for learning how the game works once you reach a certain skill level but blindly copying a GTO strategy can actually MINIMISE your EV in certain spots. In today's episode of Deep Dives we analyse two 3Bet pots where it's important to deviate from GTO.

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27 июн 2024

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Комментарии : 36   
@roderick8254
@roderick8254 Год назад
"Listen to your instincts!" - poker crusher with winning instincts based on experience and study.
@CarrotCornerPoker
@CarrotCornerPoker Год назад
Sure, a weaker player’s instincts are a lot worse than a stronger one’s but so is their conscious deliberation. There is a big difference between good honed instincts based on things the player understands and biased desire seeking impulses. Even weak losing players have an A Game mode which if they could access more often they could make some good instinctive decisions based on their understanding of their opponent’s range.
@roderick8254
@roderick8254 Год назад
@@CarrotCornerPoker for sure, but the examples in the video for "saying no to GTO" are solver analysis based exploits that won't be necessarily intuitive to most. I find the distinction between instincts from fear/desire useful bit also tricky as the player may have the right instinct that a spot is underbluffed but then wonder if that's an actual instinct or a fear from putting money on an uncomfortable spot. A good poker instinct will be built with experience and study and for sure one will do well by listening to their instinct. But it's also true that many good and optimal strategies are not intuitive for human cognition and the examples on the video are based on high level understanding of the game. I loved the hand reviews as always, just unsure if the anti-GTO, pro instinctive play is the best framing for the exploits presented.
@samuel1234234
@samuel1234234 Год назад
Love the channel. Keep it up :)
@The_Life_Shoequatic
@The_Life_Shoequatic Год назад
Knowing that Peter is watching my play all the time like the poker deity that he is gives me comfort. This is why I am signing up for the Carrot School full monty immediately as the omniscient Hand History review from above is now included.
@Van_Behlen
@Van_Behlen Год назад
My thought process was along the lines of "clearly its close here, but betting gets useful fold equity, and we don't hate getting raised here, cause the turn check raise is insanely under bluffed." Because I wanted fold equity , i landed on a slightly larger 20bb bet in my head. Some of this is surely from playing live 1/3, where turn x/r is very nutted. Would love any critique of my thought process. Keep up the sick content Pete.
@DanDanOreo
@DanDanOreo Год назад
beautiful format.
@jimmyballs5662
@jimmyballs5662 Год назад
You sounded like a friend of mine the full intro, Charlie
@CarrotCornerPoker
@CarrotCornerPoker Год назад
Well my position is that we can say no to GTO in quite a few spots without fucking it across the board.
@jimmyballs5662
@jimmyballs5662 Год назад
@@CarrotCornerPoker I think Gto learning is important to understand thresholds, then trying to imagine how those thresholds would change according to your perception of the opponents strategy, aka if something is a range bet board and opponent is checking 50% how does our strategy change. Not an exact example but relating it to human play is so important of course
@thibaultpalandri8996
@thibaultpalandri8996 Год назад
Hello Pete, in the first hand i used to simplify to checking my range when pio's frequency is 30% or lower, is that going to far into simplification?
@CarrotCornerPoker
@CarrotCornerPoker Год назад
I’m sure it a fine approach, but there might be some hands we want to exploitatively bet in overstabbed spots instead of check/folding.
@Badbentham
@Badbentham Год назад
Hand 1: Can confirm! - Betting on the River looks extremely bluffy when played among humans; - you are most often expected to build the pot on the Turn with anything better than TT. And thus get snapped by everything that you want to fold out: Get good value by choosing this line with your stronger made hands! Hand 2: Here, with my innate nit tendencies, I can totally see the reason for playing a mixed strategy. - However, I do agree that betting against poorly constructed ranges is a good exploit.
@Johnny-cz2wv
@Johnny-cz2wv Год назад
Funny, in the KT spot I often assume if players check behind twice that they are more likely to have thin value as they would (delay) cbet their air earlier. And just showdown ace high ofc
@The_Life_Shoequatic
@The_Life_Shoequatic Год назад
Do you go over Exploitative Deviations from Solver in Cash Injection? For instance, in cash injection do you show solver for a node and go over how you should "ignore" solver and make another play?
@CarrotCornerPoker
@CarrotCornerPoker Год назад
Yes this is exactly what we do in Cash Injection!
@Michaelperry1985
@Michaelperry1985 Год назад
Great RU-vid Pete!
@conorronayne7767
@conorronayne7767 Год назад
Hi Pete, are you ever going to do an update on how mark is getting on these days?
@CarrotCornerPoker
@CarrotCornerPoker Год назад
Yes!
@smalltimep
@smalltimep Год назад
You and Charlie Carrell should do a joint podcast on this subject
@bebla8381
@bebla8381 Год назад
first hand what about a river jam? 99% FE
@denniskrook2925
@denniskrook2925 Год назад
Nice video again. I play the 25 regular games and game select like a maniac (also a VIP of 50+ at the table). The pool seems to overly underprotect the checking range. So basically i probe everything if they checked the flop and delayed Cbet everything if they dont probe bet. I only change my strategy against a specific player if i have prove he/she do have decent hands in thei checking range. Mostly this happens only twich a day (1000 hands). The last 6 months of 2022 i triend to played more like the solvers and was break even after 150K hands. As of februari this year i changed that strategy and are up 90 buyins after 120K hands. I dont know if i will beat the 50, 100NL etc with this strategy, but hopefully find out soon.
@couteauxduseignanx4625
@couteauxduseignanx4625 Год назад
Whats the potato secret guys ? 😢😊
@jrm8206
@jrm8206 Год назад
Diving to deep again for the content to be free 💀
@samuel1234234
@samuel1234234 Год назад
Dont listen to him
@CarrotCornerPoker
@CarrotCornerPoker Год назад
Send me money then
@alexdan5054
@alexdan5054 Год назад
@8eadsy
@8eadsy Год назад
🐟
@hymnofashes
@hymnofashes Год назад
Break your chains! Become a donk!
@CarrotCornerPoker
@CarrotCornerPoker Год назад
Maybe you’ll fuck up a lot at first, but learning to spot the difference between theory and practice is a skill you will need to develop sooner or later and I think sooner is better when it comes to this one.
@agnorax
@agnorax Год назад
I know this feels good to make these types of videos for your audience of mostly losing rec players (let's be honest here) but this is pretty disingenuous. Your audience likely has extremely poor fundementals and teaching them to trust their instincts (basically learned heuristics) instead of fundamental winning strategy is a disaster as a coach and brand. If their instincts were good they wouldn't be stuck at uNL, leaking redline all over the place and donating stacks. Most players have extreme bias in spots and make terrible deviations and end up exploiting themselves. - TBH it's not your fault, some of the students you've taught and done videos on are close to unteachable from a mental perspective and most students are going to fail. - If you really want to help your students and viewers, you need to address the fundamental reason players are stuck in uNL : being a greedy, passive, nit that's scared to put their stack in regularly with anything less than the nuts, never developing an original thought or curiosity and an inability to pull the trigger in spots. No amount of coaching in fundementals and mechanics will improve these types of players unless they address these mental game leaks.
@CarrotCornerPoker
@CarrotCornerPoker Год назад
I agree with the gist of this. How good your instincts are is definitely dependent on level of experience and skill, however I think some players learning the game spend too much time thinking about factors that don’t mater and living and dying by the verdict of their training software. This video is about how to develop the skills to listen to yourself when you think a spot is played considerably differently to how a solver tells you it’s played. I appreciate at first that you may have no concept of this but then you’ll also have no idea why the solver spits out what it does either. I agree that by far the biggest problem with people stuck at low stakes is that they’re risk adverse and don’t really grapes where EV comes from. I may well do a video to the effect of ‘You’re all huge nits’ - it sounds harsh but it’s true that awful redline and mental game issues to do with risk as a massive part of what holds people back. Now where I disagree is the word ‘disingenuous’ - it’s not my intention to make people think they can do something they can’t. If anything, it’s pitching the content a a level that’s not typical of the average viewer perhaps, but I do think this channel attracts more serious, successful players than most. I don’t think my audience is the same as those of most poker RU-vidrs.
@marksimpson2321
@marksimpson2321 4 месяца назад
Im a keenish poker player and i think the level of this site is well above the difficulty / depth of most of what I watch. 😂
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