SBC Votes on Female Pastors & IVF: What You Need to Know 

They should not even have to vote on that. There are plenty of liberal denominations and if people have a problem with the bible they should just leave the SBC.

I won't stick around with the denomination if they start accepting women pastors and elders. It's unbiblical and it would tell me immediately that this is a place that is more concerned with how it looks to the world than pleasing God and saving souls.

I would never be a part of a church that has a women in a pastor or elder position, period. If they do , it can only mean they do not consider the Bible relevant except when it serves them.

This is why the SBC needs to be dissolved. Or at least those churches that support woman pastors should be kicked out! Of course, the next issue will be homosexual "Pastors". You know it is.

"I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.". I Timothy 2: 12

Complimentarian. Jesus is the head of the church. Gods Word reigns. Not up to personal interpretation. Churches that fail in these regards fail to continue as Christ's church on earth.

In Matthew 7:24-27, our Lord explicitly says, build on rock and not on sand. Evangelicals will eventually cave. Up to the 1930’s all the mainline churches were against contraception and then the teaching changed. These issues are only a matter of time. I say this because there is no church polity. Not even an organization as big as the SBC can bind its members and churches morally and doctrinally. Our Lord sheds light on this issue in Matthew 18, “If the member refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if the offender refuses to listen even to the church, let such a one be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.” However, in the case of excommunication, this member can just go down the road to a Baptist church that does espouse the beliefs they’re clinging to. If not a Baptist church, then they may become Methodist, or Anglican or non denominational. Ultimately the job of the church is to bind consciences. That is what it means to build on rock. Scripture is the house, the church is the rock. If the church is made of sand and cannot bind, the logical conclusion is Judges 21:25, “In those days there was no king in Israel; all the people did what was right in their own eyes.” Again, our Lord sheds clear light on this in Matthew 16:18-19, “And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” Before his bitter and most sorrowful passion our Lord prayed for unity, John 17:20-21, “I pray not only for them, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me.” There will never be unity if each man can take the house of scripture and build it on the sand of himself. It is not the responsibility of individual believers to have to decipher moral teaching, it is the responsibility of the church or else the church that believer belongs to will have failed him. Evangelicals will fail, it’s only a matter of time. “And everyone who listens to these words of mine but does not act on them will be like a fool who built his house on sand. The rain fell, the floods came, and the winds blew and buffeted the house. And it collapsed and was completely ruined.”

My heart broke that they avoided any decision on abortion. Shame #SBC2024

Full-time female pastors are a road to a woke and/or disintegrating parish. I have witnessed it first hand. Being a pastor involves conflict and telling hard truths, and women struggle with that. It really takes a toll on us because God has made us as women especially empathetic and sensitive to emotion. It is good that God has made us this way, but it is not compatible with full-time pastor leadership. We have seen many denominations go woke: always at the head of it there is a female pastor (usually several) who has decided that some of the gospel teachings are too "hurtful" and need to go. Emotions over truth can quickly become the norm when women are the highest authority figure in a church. However, at the same time I notice that female pastors develop hard hearts. It's almost like they try to masculinize themseles to live up to the role of pastor, but it becomes a harsh imitation of masculinity that leads to bitterness. They grow to hate the soft feminine parts of their own personality that are making it difficult to pastor authoritatively. The parish gets lead into chaos and disintegration while the female pastors themselves are struggling and burnt out, typically doubling down on the exact things that are causing the problems often because they struggle with listening to criticism. Many men fail in the role of pastor *despite* the masculine inclination to authority and leadership. How can women who do not have a masculine inclination succeed then? Women should give their testimony and be involved in the parish, but they should not be in the role of full-time pastor or leader.

My Husband is a SBC pastor and I am very ashamed this was even an issue to vote on. The Bible is very clear on this area. Those who are liberal should leave the sbc. This is a slippery slope.

I am glad you have shown us the implications of IVF. You made me aware and think about it. If it does not involve me or anyone I know I may have never thought about it.

there are already SBC churches that have women pastors. The plan is to normalize the idea of women pastors. Then it will be required to have a women pastor on staff. Then anyone who criticizes women pastors will be removed from the convention. Sound familiar?

I hope they keep this same energy in removing disqualified male pastors.

Thank you, again, Allie. Your podcast is so encouraging. Thank you and may God continue to bless your outreach to Biblical Christians.

Our church just stopped affiliation with the sbc, and is now affiliated with the reformed baptist coalition.

Allie, your work about ivf and surrogacy has been so strong. As someone from Alabama, I really encourage you to have a dialogue with our Junior Senator. Both of you being strong ladies of faith and mothers, I believe she'd be receprive to your information. From what I see, she, most likely, has views that you did before your research. There's so much commonality between you two.

I am Catholic and find it interesting that there is finally another Christian denomination speaking against IVF. The Catholic Church has officially stated many years ago that it’s a sin to participate in IVF. The reasons being that it is God’s intention for a child to be created from the unitive and procreative union between a married man and woman. And of course, also because of the issue with frozen embryos being human life. I’m glad to see another Christian group speaking up for human life.

We need repentance and. revival so much in all the churches

Allie, thank you for staying true to the gospel 🙏

IVF is dealing with the commoditization and destruction of human life. It’s eugenics going on right now- it deserves repeated discussion. This channel is not really for our entertainment guys, it’s informative and for our edification first and foremost.

Yesss, Amennn... 🙏🏽 We domesticate too many things. Satan went after the woman at beginning & is now going after the woman at the end. He knows his time is short. Learn from your enemy & his devices. Too many Christians are asleep & lazy Love you Allie

Cross the Tiber folks.

While I am thankful for your desire to provide important information about the Law Amendment and the resolution on IVF, as an SBC messenger who was in attendance I would like to add some details with reference to the Law Amendment. The amendment failed to receive the necessary votes this year (2/3 majority) to change the constitution of the Convention. The day before, messengers from FBC Alexandria (an egalitarian church) were unseated and their voting privileges revoked by an overwhelming majority. The debate on the Law Amendment was not about whether the SBC is egalitarian, but rather how egalitarian churches within the SBC should be removed.

Thank you for your podcast! You are a very sweet soul!

Agree… Charlotte airport is one of my least favorite airports.

I look at first timothy and I am thrilled that God did not ordain women to pastor.... that is an incredible amount of responsibility and and accountability.... God knew our shoulders were not made to carry this load.

I'm not sure but it looks like the 1st ever National Eucharistic pilgrimage is converging in Indianapolis. Wow! What a God wink! I pray for unity in the Church.

If the stance of the SBC is to limit the clergy to men, thus limiting the earning potential and tax status of female servants in the church, why do they allow women to enroll and pay full tuition for seminary degrees at SBC seminaries?? They should either not allow females or decrease their tuition due to the fact that they will never be able to hold a pastor/senior pastor position.

My understanding as explained by my pastor is that the SBC already has in its documents a statement describing who is eligible to be pastor. In his words: the "Baptist Faith & Message doctrinal statement has already spelled out what we believe about who can hold the office of Pastor/Elder." This means that women have never been permitted by the SBC to be a pastor. My understanding is that the amendment was meant to clarify or emphasize that, but it seems it was not deemed necessary or caused confusion.

We forget that the Gospel of Jesus Christ is also a hardening ministry. Most people are hardened to it. We are commanded to take the narrow way. The SBC is on the wide road and wants to keep goats. This issue means nothing to regenerated Christians except as a teaching lesson. 8 people were on the ark. Jesus quoted Isaiah and look at Isaiah's ministry. These smiling faces at the SBC just keep talking and talking about nothing ... Junk it . Ditch it. Look how hard it is to find the narrow way

I was at the Convention as a Messenger, Here are my Takeaways. 1. I absolutely hold to scripture and Believe that the Lead pastor can only be a Man. 2. We have a clear Statement in both our constitution and Baptist faith and Message. 3. This steps way over the line of autonomy, which is apart of the history of SBC. 4. Pastor Law has said that if "Lottie Moon was alive she would not be allowed to testify before the Church because she is a woman. This is highly concerning to me and what also might be coming down the pike once the Amendment is passed.

Terrific resolution which includes: "WHEREAS, Biblical creation order portrays the embodied union of husband and wife as the singular normative expression for procreation (Genesis 1:27-28); and RESOLVED, That we call on Southern Baptists to love all of their neighbors in accordance with their God-given dignity as image bearers and to advocate for the government to restrain actions inconsistent with the dignity and value of every human being, which necessarily includes frozen embryonic human beings;" Praise the Lord! Together, Baptists and Catholics believe in the sanctity and dignity of human life from fertilization. Any modification or manipulation of the Embryo makes it a human product and is an assault on human dignity. IVF "dissociates the sexual act from the procreative act....., and establishes the domination of technology over the origin and destiny of the human person..."(Catechism of the Catholic Church, #2377).

Looks like the slippery slope just got a lot more slippery for the SBC.

The Law Amendment was approved by a 61% vote. Alas, since it was an amendment to the SBC constitution, it required a two-thirds majority, and it fell short of that.

I will never sit under any woman's authority.

Take votes on IVF and Women Pastors, but completely ignores calls to oust abusers. Its almost like the church is so focused on maintaining male leadership that they'll tolerate horrible abuse to keep those men in power

Yes, the Indpls airport is a bit amazing. Of course, I am from Indiana, so I am a bit biased!

I’m glad you talk about IVF. I used to not think much about it, and didn’t see it as wrong though I never felt like it was good either. But now I am against using it and I feel sad for the lives who are conceived and thrown away or kept frozen.

When I examine 1 Tim 2:12, the grammar can be read in two ways. I have not found anything solid that can definitely 100% prove one way or the other. In Chapter 1, Paul concludes the idea for Timothy to fight the good fight of faith and how some have shipwrecked their faith. At this point, there is no context provided as to this being in or out of a congregational meeting place. In Chapter 2, he writes he wants men "in every place" to pray. This gives us the context at least at this point this is not about a congregational setting specifically, but in genera. After Paul writes about some negatives regarding women about being modest or wearing expensive clothing, he says a woman must learn in quietness. Learn "what" exactly? I think Paul wrote about it in the prior sentence. They should learn to adorn themselves with good works to profess godliness. Now we get to verse 12, where Paul makes the statement. Here are the two grammatical ways this could be read: 1- I don't permit a woman to teach (anything) over a man or exercise authority over a man 2-I don't permit a woman to teach authority over a man or to exercise authority over a man It's like this. I don't permit my children to teach or play baseball with toddlers. Does this mean my children should teach toddlers any topic? Or does it mean they should not teach baseball to toddlers? This could be read as either they are not allowed to teach kids baseball as well as play baseball with toddlers OR it could mean they aren't allowed to teach them anything and also should not play baseball at all. Since context matters, I would submit that the women Paul refers to are in need of correction for some reason. But as to whether they are not permitted to teach anything or simply not permitted to teach authority over a man, that is still in question both in context and grammatically. Can anyone prove 100% what Paul intended?

Thanks for the video, always appreciate your content and your willingness to discuss this stuff. PS I'm from Indiana, and I'm really glad that you shouted out the Indianapolis International Airport. It's a very well laid out, clean, convenient airport, and I've always had a good experience there. Definitely makes me glad to be a Hoosier.

At the end of the day, you can tell yourself that certain things are up for a vote. That your council, or convention, or whatever you want to call it, can decide what is or isn't God's law. Just like Rome has. All you're really doing however, is voting on whether or not you will put yourselves in enmity towards God. The very notion that they would bring it to a vote is itself very troubling.

So, Christian teachings are up for a vote?

A pastor applies 2 Timothy 2:2. So how many "pastors" are really pastors?

Jesus prayed that we’d all be one. Rick Warren simply wanted to agree to disagree but still stay united. Will the Calvinism debate be the dividing line next??

I’m so glad you keep bring up IVF. You are the only place I really hear talking about it. Can you bring in someone who runs a snowflake adoption center? I think about these forgotten kids quite a lot. Should we as Christians be adopting these kids, or is there a reason we should abstain? All these kids frozen in space-time hurts my heart. They are not a commodity. 😢

I hope there are pastors coming along that are willing to to follow in the steps pf John Mc Arthur, Voddie Baucham, and Paul Washer❤

Sadly it failed . And sadly groups like namb and erlc send messengers as well to vote

It such a handy way to find out the ideologues that think feminism goes before the word of God tho

My wife and I have a two year old IVF little girl. Her abusive ex husband made her burn her tubes so she was unable to have a child naturally. How do we, as Christians, move forward with this?

I really like the Nashville airport

Thank you for this wonderful video. I haven’t even thought about the risks with IFV. Now you’re getting me thinking 😐🙂

isnt there a song that says the walls come tumbling down....we are seeing who really is going to stand for what scripture says when the pressure from all sides comes against the truth......

Tampa better be in your top 5 airports. 😅

That's awesome! Christians need to protect those frozen babies by opposing IVF! I've always thought it was nearly as wrong as abortion to keep those little lives imprisoned on shelves who could at any moment get discarded like garbage. Ending IVF would keep babies off the shelves. People should simply adopt or use other methods that don't involve sperm donors or surrogates.

*God has been so merciful to me I exalt his name now and everyday of my life. Awesome God ❤️my family are happy once again and can now afford anything for my family even with my Retirement.$67k weekly returns has been life changing, after so much struggles.*

Pastor Jared Moore for SBC Prez! Standing firm on the LGBT identity question that's dividing what's left of the conservative church.

um controversy

How is the SBC not a great value version of the papacy? You left the church to remake it in your own way.

And then it didn't pass...

One reasonably agrees with this scriptural stance. One hardly lost, however, to the irony that many cessationist protagonists are conspicuously less literal about the Biblically stated urgency of Holy Spirit’s activity in and among those of the ekklesia.

I love my IVF baby. She's my miracle ❤️

Can people not see the clear unwritten laws of the universe regarding man vs. woman? Generally speaking, men don't listen to women. Not easily. I'm a woman and even I would tune out a woman pastor. That's how I always took the scripture verse. God is saying women shouldn't be in spiritual authority over men because the men will mostly tune them out and forget what they said.

What they do need to do is pass a rule stating that the issues of female pastors and non-Biblical sexuality are unacceptable and can NEVER be debated again at the SBC.

Study deeper! I know why people hold the position against women as pastors, but it is imperative to go deeper to understand why Paul said what he said.

Hallelujah!!! I’m the favorite, $60,000 every week! Now I can afford anything and also support the work of God and the church.

Honestly, women shouldn't even be able to vote on these issues in churches. That is having spiritual authority over not just one man, but every man in the denomination, which is well beyond what the Bible teaches. God bless this church to make the right decisions.

What Does New Orleans Theological Baptist Seminary ( the supposedly #1 theological seminary to attend IN THE NATION) Have to say abt this “ vote”/decision??????????

I don't even care what they vote on. I know what I believe and why.

Good thing im a reformed baptist and go to a theonomic reformed baptist church.

Huxley's Brave New World is coming and a majority of modern women are leading the way....

AIRPORTS … I would love to hear your TOP 5 airports and the ones you don’t like . Thank you ! Alaska

Shouldn't God make.the decision on how the Church is run? I did not realize he left it to a vote. That's why we still need a Prophet.

Highly recommend Mike wingers EXHAUSTIVE study on “Women in Ministry” btw. He actually lets the Bible talk dn put his feelings in there.

Dr. Ben Carson supports IVF and so does Ted Cruz

I live just about an hour north of Indianapolis and I have always really liked the Indianapolis airport too!😊 Thank you for standing for truth!❤

The truth is in the Bible Timothy says to be a bishop is a good thing to be the husband of one wife etc can't get any easier to understand

Holdfast SBC

In the last days there will be a great falling away. It's happening on an epic scale in our day. Heresy apostasy and false religions teachers and apostles and prophets. Persecution is coming to the Church. He who endures to the end shall be saved

We welcome the spirit of Jezebel

Allie Beth I listened to another RU-vid video, sorry I forget now which, that said the Law amendment would be voted down because of some awkward wording. That as it was worded it could be used later to come against churches that had women in a leadership position such as simply leading the children’s ministry. Something to clarify with your pastor. And as for IVF, one thing folks are not aware of is that after some people have paid all that money they want results. So several eggs will be implanted at once and then an abortion of all but one will be done later. I know of a case where that happened. Another is that with surrogacy, again, people have paid a lot of money and they want the results they want. So, the baby is a girl? An abortion is done because they want a boy.

Can you share who the dr is that practices natural fertility so we can look her up? Can you also share when that video will release with her? Thanks!

Wow, I don’t even know what be going on in my own city 😅. But yes, our airport is amazing 😊

Irenaeus? He is not in the Bible.

I Tim 2:12

Where does the Bible mention the Southern Baptist Convention having any kind of power. SBC is not the Bible. There are many women pastors in the Bible. All this nonsense about men being head of the household and women are maidens were written at a time when women were nothing but chattels and maids.

Just another reason why I'm a member of an Independent Baptist Church that is NIV only.

New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many modern Christians cannot honestly answer the questions below? Who is the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Who is the “son” that is the “heir” to the land in Matthew 21:37-43? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary? What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below. Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. 1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. God is not now a “racist”. He has extended His love to all races of people through the New Covenant fulfilled by His Son’s blood at Calvary. The Apostle Paul warned against using “genealogies” in our faith in 1 Tim. 1:4, and Titus 3:9. The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. Watch the RU-vid videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.

Of all the problems we have…. This…? Really?

No such thing as Denominations thats not biblical beased One Lord - One faith - One Baptism ( One Church ) - One Body

Indy airport represent!!!

The mRNA shot you will find impacts fertility. It’s not a coincidence that these issues are occurring simultaneously. You can connect the dots.

you left out the relevant part of the scripture it says because the woman was deceived

I wonder if Allie would have a different message if she had struggled with infertility...

Catholicism is looking good right about now. Both IVF and abortion are and have been clear. No voting either, as if it were a democratic issue. I’m not quite there yet…. But I’m seeing some wisdom

The Bible doesn’t say anything about a woman not being called at conception and the Bible doesn’t say anything about woman not being a pastor. The Bible talks about not praying out loud and being silent in church but the doesn’t say anything about a woman not being a woman. I don’t know where they get a woman can’t be a pastor at. The Bible talks about a woman not teaching a man. I would be able teach a woman if called to.

SBC is an organization created by men; it will self-destruct. The Holy Spirit is in charge of the Church, not the SBC. Our time and money will be better used on Evangelism local and abroad to spread the Gospel. "And I do not permit a woman to teach or have authority over a man, but to be in silence." If God said it that settles it!

If you become a Female pastor you just tore pages from The book of Timothy which is God's word , God's authority , God structure for the Church . Christians are not to add or minus words out of Scripture . Satan does enough by twisting scripture. It's the end of the end times so this should not surprise the apostasy happening in churches.

Oh boy - that first Timothy 2:12 bomb again. Patriarchal men of all denominations have taken this out of context for centuries. The apostle Paul endorses women in leadership and pastoral teaching positions in dozens of places in the New Testament. Ladies - if you feel called to go through seminaries and become pastors, there is nothing in the bible that keeps you from it. History matters, context matters, and whether you want to hear it or not, you have to look beyond scripture and do your research.

Praise God for Godly women.

Catholic Church has been practicing this for nearly two mellinia