EDIT: Had some audio issues right before the interview, so the audio spikes got adjusted as the interview was rolling to avoid wasting time. CW will be joining me for a coffee talk in a near future on stream which I'm looking forward to very much! This goes to show how much CW cares about the game and how this is not a PR stunt by them, we made sure to ask questions a majority of the community told us they NEEDED asked. I hope we have provided you with a fruitful podcast/discussion surrounding a lot of problems.
With respect to the work and effort you put in to PoE much appreciated but I'd like to know when you say Majority of the community wanted "x" questions asked then I'd counter this statement with you mean a small minority ? I haven't seen 2+ million complaints or questions being posed to yourself or other streamers. I'm going out on a limb here as I said in an earlier comment .. in my opinion you represent mostly elite level players who have gripes. The Average casual player just accepts the game for what it is and enjoys it. Keep up the great work Ghazzy 👍
@@versedi indeed , that's why I said "in my opinion" unlike using the term Majority which would be an incorrect and non factual use of the statement as a means to add weight to an argument you feel the need to have support with.
@@sandosando3014 Bruh, why are you being contrarian? Its 2021, shit is cringe. He said the majority of the community, as in, everyone who actually communicates about the game. And yes, those opinions are readily available whether it be reddit, twitter, forums, or the hundreds of thousands of viewers who watch streams. There is a TON of feedback to pull from. And while it may not be the majority playerbase, it is the majority of the community that actively discusses the game, who the majority player base probably share the same of opinion of, but just choose to be quiet. Its called statistics. Do you think companies who do statistics get every single person in the world to answer before they come up with a logical conclusion that the majority supports this or that? What a dumb fuck needless comment.
1:08:52 "the feedback we kinda get is that players want to play repeatedly a map that is a straight line, they want to be able to kill monsters without stopping and they want the items to be auto-picked up - and to some extend I feel that if we e-mail them the spreadsheet every day of what items they got, they'd be happy" what a great quote
Ghazzy, thanks to you & Grimro & Tuna, for getting this interview with CW. I'd like to see a follow up video from you, more or less analyzing the responses and what your take-aways are, such as, "I feel good/hopeful about response to question X" or whatever. You did this with the Ziz/Mathil interview, and I enjoyed that because it was an honest review of it from your point of view. As mentioned below, we all have opinions, and while I'm not an elite player (more of a "git gud" player, honestly), and while I don't always agree with your opinions, I do like hearing them. Thanks for the vid, and I hope you add more to this one, so to speak.
Well done, guys! There were so many points in here that make me very optimistic. Removing the backload of Maven passives, Chris's stance on RMT, map juicing and the plans for Expedition to name just a few. Thanks for the fishing advice and stay awesome!
Timestamp roughly 52:30 - crouching tuna explained it perfectly. As someone who isn't in the top 10% of wealthy players of the game, you feel forced into buying items, and not crafting them
@@Rahkesh357 My suggestion for a solution is this - To make self crafting items for the casual player easy, accessible, affordable, so you can have deterministic crafting for your average Joe so they can create not OP, not broken, not great items, but still be able to create items specific for their build - simply limit the power of this crafting. Allow high level crafting for 6 tier 1 mods to be RNG / slam/pray, whatever it is. But allow deterministic crafting of tier 3-tier5 mods. So let's say you can't guarantee boots with T1-2 life, movespeed, triple resistance. But allow the guarantee of T3 life, T2 movespeed, T3 triple res. like you see what i mean, as in. Make it so the top power items are not deterministic. But give options for being able to deterministically craft medium power items. This would also be a godsend for SSF SC, and SSF HC players. Myself I have played before in Standard SC, in Trade SC, and in SSF HC, and about 5,000 hours played, for reference. I'm not a pro, but I am generally experienced. I bet I am not the only person out there who likes to play trade league, but craft items for themselves. I don't need perfect items to be happy. Perfect items are a thing to chase, but I would like to be able ot reliably get good items, that will allow me to complete all content with investment. Cheers exiles!
@@alexshindy7274 items like that are not what you comented about, i can buy item like that for couple chaos day 2 of a league, that 10% coment aplies only on thoes tier 1 items
@@Rahkesh357 Deterministic crafting of 6 Tier 1 items is what full power harvest crafting allowed you to do and i agree this is too strong. What i would like to be able to do is Alt/Aug + Regal spam until you get T1/T1/T2 on 3 mods, or even T1/T1, then multi mod and craft on T3/T3/T3, or that + slam last one, and then look for 30 quality from betrayal mechanic, or catalysts if it's jewelerly whatever. But because multimod is 2 ex, usually the base for the craft is between 10c and 1ex, and usually getting T1/T1/T2 on the alt aug regal with results that you want, will be around 2,000 alterations or so. The item ends up costing you around 5ex on average. Which i guess is fine? Except even with this basic crafting method you can still get unlucky. So why even try, when you can just search for an item for 5ex that's probably better than what you would have crafted? In my view deterministic crafting is more about getting 5-6 mods that you want, at relatively good levels. Not perfect levels. As opposed to getting 3 mods that you want at perfect levels, and then 3 mods that are bad. Like there are so many items up for trade right now that are simply 2 influence items, with 2 perfect mods, and then complete trash on the remaining 4 mods. And they're selling for 2-6ex, simply because of the price of crafting it. Even though the item is garbage. If you really want those mods I guess. Then you try to make up for the deficiency in your other gear. Similar to how you do with unique items.
The main problem is the game designers refuse to address RMT. None of that really matters if you play the game for 6 hours and if you are super lucky you might see 6 exalted orb. Right now exalted orders are 40 cents on the dollar I can work a minimum wage job for half of A-day and see over 80 exalted orbs or I could literally farm the game for 4 hours see a couple log books maybe find 2 ex and that will be the best it gets. If GGG really wants to change stuff they would change the way bots farm stuff. The fact a level 25 player with 0 challenges 0 achievements, 0 mtx etc. Can Spam full paragraphs for days on end I think that goes to show RMT is the main way to upgrade your gear in this game. Why else would you farm for 10 hours when you could literally go to your job and see over 160 exalts. How else are level 24 people 0 challenge 0 micro transaction 0 achievement people spamming full paragraphs in global chat for 40 cents an exalted orb all day. This game is supposed to be all about grinding but when the grind isn't worth it player retention looks like it does now a cliff. If you want people to start taking your game seriously make it more fun to play and make paying to win not an option or at least don't make it more efficient than actually playing your game.
35:08 Ghazzy covers one of the biggest concerns I've had with PoE. Ghazzy talks about the wall that people hit because around white/yellow maps your knowledge, gear, skill setup, and skill points all have to converge at the same level of viability and newer players (even semi casuals) will likely fail to have all those in line.
Yes and no. He takes it a little extreme when he demands chris tell him how to upgrade items without slamming exalts AND without trade. Like one or the other will always be viable. If you are ssf slamming is absolutely an option.
Chris talks about it in the Zizaran interview as well. Their intention going forward is to frontload more power which would avoid this. Loot overhaul will help too.
@@equalmc276 The problem is they can't acknowledge trade is crap, but then advocate that's the only way for the none no-lifers to upgrade. CW seems to think tedious = difficult. It doesn't, it equals frustration and annoyance. When he talked about having to speak to npcs to re-charge flasks... my word what a poor, laborious idea that adds no difficulty or engagement, it's just annoying, and more clicks.
My biggest problem right now is the item progression. There is a huge gap in terms of power level within yellow tier maps. What i mean by this is the following: The item progression has to be possible to be met during each stage of the game. Within the campaign, it is quite achievable to manage resistances, damage and life pool to advance further. It is also achievable to use act 9 and 10 to prepare oneself to early mapping. As you mentioned, you can farm tabula, the first 6link deterministically. White maps can be used to optimize the items to be able to run yellow maps, by finding, crafting or selling/buying fitting "normal" rare items or build enabling cheap uniques. Imo the achievable powerlevels of items should be in contrast of the powerlevel of the content you will step into next. Here, the transition from yellow maps and red maps are the hardest. Items you need to be able to run yellow tier maps are currently valued at like... 10c-50c, which is really achievable with the loot of white tier maps, which makes progressing to yellow tier maps possible for casual players. From this point however, there is a massive gap. First of all, yellow tier maps do not give you much higher powerlevel of items than white tier maps. Even influenced items are basically trash at this level, since most good influence mods are gated by high item levels. That means, while you can optimize your items from white to yellow tier maps, you cannot really optimize them any further up until high red tier maps. Especially in hard core, this makes the transition from yellow to red tier maps quite tedious, espeically since even the bases are incredibly expensive. Example: You play spectre. You cap your resistances, you get some minion damage mods here and there, yadda yadda. You can easily run yellow tier maps now. It costed you around 150c (super achievable with a bit of time). Your next upgrade would be a lvl 86 influenced bonehelmet. Nice. Now i have to farm 25 exalts to get THE BASE and use a shit of other currencies to actually craft it and make it possible to wear it. That means, to progress towards red tier maps, i need drops that are gated by red tier maps. Yes, i can get lucky and drop several exalts worth of unique items or div cards and literally buy it. But that just feels meh. It would be so much better when for example specific influence mods can be achieved at yellow map tier item level but are limited to 1 of the strong mods. The difference of item powerlevels of yellow and red tier maps are imo too big. In SC it feels like you basically have to drop enough "corpses" against the content until you get to late red maps to get the juicy items to be able to actually itemize accordingly and itemize your next character. In HC it just feels like a empty gab where you either play juggernaut build or get lucky to get there.
I agree. Items need to drop that help you do the next level of content instead of the junk that does drop. Why are level 45 white items still dropping?
I disagree that you need a ilvl 86 Elder Bone Helmet (or other gear of that level of perfection) to start farming high red tiet maps - that's the cherry on top, much, much later. It's the most economical route, yes, to go from very basic mapping gear to perfection saves you much mid-tier crafting, which saves currency and time, but that is not required. People kill Awakener with 500k dps in HC races.
@@pa7764 precisely what I said in another comment myself. Yes it can take longer and you will need to do mechanics again and again but it is doable and you do not need all that fancy gear to clear content. Some builds require high investment to function but that's why we get league starter builds and more endgame builds. I don't see why this is suddenly such a big deal. Could the progression be better/smoother? Absolutely yes. Is it as bad as people make it? I don't believe so.
@@pa7764 I have absolutely nothing against the stage of powerlevel of bosses. Imho bosses should be the hard but potentially be doable with player skills on low end gear. Thats super fine. However, consistent mapping without dying is at the moment bound to killing the enemy as fast as possible, as defense is not in a good spot right now. Means, if you go up to higher map tiers, there is a threshold where you all of a sudden need several seconds to kill packs exposing yourself to a clusterfuck of projectiles that can instagib you at any time and are basically undodgeable at the current stage. What do you mean with mid tier crafts? That is exactly what my comment is about. In fact, the lacking possibilities of mid tier crafts. Once you are done getting ressistances, socket and links, a few jewels here and there yadda yadda that's basically it. If you want to upgrade f.e. your helmet from this stage, there is no in between that and lvl 86 pseudo-gem helmets. Influenced helmets ilvl 77 are basically trash and have no mods worth crafting. You "upgrade" your trash campaign level helmet to a affordable 40c, just to notice that your next step in helmet progression just jumped in price to 20+ ex for the base alone. That's why i propose buffing the mods of influenced lower tier items to fill that spot.
the only thing i get frustrated about is the fact there's all this pressure on trade yet there's no way to even fucking view trade in-game, you're just automatically expected to know that there's an external website
what about an endless gladiator arena, Daresso themed or someshit with leaderboards tied to that, it'd actually fit so well and it'd narrow down the tile-sets used
@@hansbansor5170 something like this would be a snooze fest without a leaderboard. You can still play the mode and never look at the leaderboard, but most of us love competition.
@@existenceghost9701 Problem I see is that player feel more compelled to play meta builds in order to compete. At the moment I personally feel zero pressure the compete with anyone which makes me wanna try the builds I find interesting and fun. The epitome of the negative consequences can be found in d3 where all players talk about what rift level they can accomplish which narrows down build variety and perceived viability by a large margin. Just my 2 cents.
@@hansbansor5170 This I can respect, well said. That type of environment is something I wouldn't want. I just enjoy healthy competition, but sometimes I forget this is the internet and that word and healthy do not always mix. lol. Best wishes.
I really think dropping low tier modifiers appearing on higher level items would go a long way to make crafting/gearing feel a lot more progressive and it would be a really simple help/fix to this problem you were discussing @ 40-60min. It would also free up slots to introduce new modifiers without diluting the pool. GGG should make a table of all the available modifiers at every item level and take a long good look at how they should make that progress.
On trade league start I actually switched off of a "meta" build. Because all of the items for the meta build were like 20c+ (when exalted orbs were like ~50c each) I switched over to an off-meta build and a 1c weapon carried me through uber elder. So the argument that "Meta builds are cheaper" isn't always true.
I'm amused Grimro asked Chris why he was asking questions. Contrary to what is portrayed in media, good leaders ask questions without thinking it makes them seem "weak".
I think it is addressing 10 year power creep and in patch. CW holding on to a 1990 philosophy of Diablo 2 for a current 2020 game. Kekw The main issue is this company has no idea what they are doing with the game why introduce maven orbs elevated items et cetera only to go back and make act one harder. I hate noobs and beginners just as much as everybody else but let's keep double elevated items maven orbs but let's make act one more difficult and reduce overall defenses that auda destroyed player retention seems like 10 cent hates their game and wants it not to be played.
good job guys, I liked that you asked follow up questions and challenged Chris. This is by far the best interview from Chris as well, he did really well and explained very well everything.
One thing people keep tossing on GGG's face is that it's generally better to buy than to craft your own items. And what Chris pointed here is inevitable. The best people at doing something will do it better. Changing the system and giving new tools will not change this reality.
The only way to do that is to remove trading. Then again, by doing so essentially removed the core philosophical of what makes PoE in the first place, which Chris already touch on. This is a unwinnable match up as long as there is trading.
I dunno, all he does is promoting his view of the changes instead of understanding why in 3.15 everybody quit the game, you can't talk your way into us liking the game instead of being annoyed playing it.
@@efreitorhabibulin238 That's why I don't agree with him and he can be facetious which gets under my skin, but at least a dialogue is happening. Players get under the dev's skin as well especially the lunatics I'm sure, so I just want to support his effort.
His engage consist mainly in covering his ears, scream really hard "Mah vision", and call it "looking at feedback". Reverting the gem nerfs isn't hard AT ALL, wich would be a nice change until they finish reworking defenses and monster scaling. The fact that this league remains the way it is with such flagrant flaws is unexcusable.
@@juliofranciscogomezstoppel1860 Whatever floats your boat, Chris could retreat from the public eye and we could close the door to GGG. But I don't see how that would solve any issues, less communication seems dumb to me though. Which is all my comments were about.
@@vesili2121 communication only works if it's true or relevant. What's the point of coming out to say something nobody is asking, and flat out refusing to say anything about the problems they themselves created? Because they had no problem changing the mana cost of skills, but they left the fortify nodes as it is. If they already know they will change defense mechanics for 3.16, why not revert those changes in the mean time so this league doesn't feel so atrocious?. Same with awakened gems. Those changes aren't hard. Can be easily done, even more so than the mana changes. Yet here we are...
One way to combat influence items being almost a must on many many builds would be to increase the power or availability of things like synthesis items forcing people into a choise between a good implicit (that doesnt cost 1 mirror for a base) or powerful influence mods.
I agree. I also wish they removed a lot of modifiers that are really just there to dilute possible roll, like resistances on weapons.. just why. And maybe put mod tiers on a bell curve. So for example an ilvl 83 item would be much less likely to roll low tier mods than an ilvl 10, but the curve would drop off at tier 1 or maybe even 2 modifiers, so those are still rare and valuable. That way we could get a lot more items with mid range useful rolls, and really good items would still be difficult to acquire.
@@gaborfabian3967 i agree but at the same time by making better items more accessible will make them less exciting and probably need their power reduced if theyre easier. So would have to find that perfect balance which is almost impossible. I know that having items almost impossible to get feel frustrating alot of the time but at the same time that frustration makes u feel so much better when you finally achieve it (atleast thats what i think from past experience in any game with rng loots)
@@gaborfabian3967 ah was just thinkin about the high lvl mod being more common on higher lvl items. Because it would make those hightier items easier to get
@@thaflowie Well, that's why I suggested the bell curve, so the highest tier modifiers are not more common, but mid range ones are. Think let's say t3 phys roll on weapon and such being more common on higher tier items.
What i would really like is not having to identify a quad tab of rings only to find 1 or 2 rings worth maybe 100c total. This is not made up, i identified a quad tab of coral and vermilion rings, every vermilion ring was complete trash and only got 2 corals worth about 100c total.
The problem with crafting in POE is that you have to know how to build the machine that produces 100 shoes in an hour ... for that you need an engineering degree to be able to craft shoes... that the whole point from a new player perspective! Still love the game from a old player perspective :D
The main issue is when they nerfed things they only nerfed the casuals the top players who are blasting through T18 100% delirious maps were never touched in any way whatsoever. This is why player retention is garbage nobody wants to play a game where you can either grind for 30 hours or put $30 on your mom's credit card and literally be 60 hours of progress into the game. Look at the exalted prices on trading websites why would you want to farm a game for 10 hours and maybe see 5 exalted if you are lucky or you could work make $80 literally buy 160 exalted orbs. This game is a joke from the top down if you want to see the biggest reference to my claim look at player retention all of these changes to nerf the casuals while letting the 1% blow through entire screens isn't OK for the long term of the game.
Problem isnt that people dont know how to use the tools (aka what a suffix is), its that people dont have the tools (currency). I have played every league and only time I actually crafted endgame items was in Harvest. This has nothing to do with game knowledge but accessability.
depend on what your endgame build is supposed to be. To me if i'm crafting for myself, you want 1 exceptional mod, another good mod and one crafted mod, the rest are preferrably useful.
Craft branding: Items could track player names who have been involved in the item's current state. So it could have the name for who acquired the initial item (the first person to have it in their inventory), and everyone who used the craft item which added the mod or influence or similar that's currently on the item. Maybe even having a key held that pops up an extra tooltip which lists the contributing player for each of the item's current mods and similar individually. And then you could maybe have the mtx ghazzy proposed, to gild your name on it, so it pops out more among the names, or if all the names in the list are yours, it makes it that much more impressive and noticeable.
27:48 Yeah you used a lot of talk but you're changes to harvest AND your overall nerfs to defenses and damage completely contradict any pr lip service you're using right now. Lmao "we feel that current system is in an ok place" lmaooo ok dude your head is too far up your own astragaali. Are you even playing the same game? Also his comment regarding essences yet you cannot use essences on low level items so basically you're only gonna use a quarter of your essences and just let the rest of them sit there and waste away in your tab I guess that's one reason to make players by a tab.
Ghazzy is the only one, out of all these interviews, to ask straight forward questions and he paid attention to call out when the answers were vague or weren't in response to the question he was asking. That's how an interview is done. Specific examples with specific answers.
I enjoyed this podcast more than others, which, don't get me wrong, were good in their own right. What made this one special to me is that how the team managed to engage Chris into a dialogue with back and forth, rather than asking questions and listening to his answers. Good job guys.
Well done. Went in depth on the questions instead of the shotgun approach that his last two interviews had. Grim especially stood out as doing very well as an interviewer.
Should be more items or influences that mimic the breach chest. Thats a really fun idea to have just dropping on the ground. That way you always want to pick influenced items up.
On the point of nuisance vs challenge. The actual thing that Chris is trying to implement is probably more akin to a deterrent. He wants to discourage certain actions or certain things by making it more annoying, tedious, or difficult to do. The fact that you continue to do that thing is just your choice to do the annoying. What you should be doing is finding a way to approach the situation that doesn't require you to do the now annoying thing. Like the scenario with moving the spawn point further away from bosses. That is clearly an attempt to deter zerging. If you change your playstyle and try not to die repeatedly, the change should not be a significant addition in nuisance at all. However, if you continue to try zerging the boss, you'll inevitably find it very annoying to do now. Making things annoying but not impossible goes with the other part of the Chris's philosophy of not telling players explicitly what to do by specifying what you can or cannot do. It's not impossible to zerg, it's just discouraged to do so. Basically, most things that players perceive as a nuisance is just something that GGG is trying to tell you to not do or do another way without outright stopping you from doing what you've decided to do. The reason Chris poses most of these nuisance additions as challenges is because the way GGG is steering you towards playing is going to be harder. So you either do something that is harder, or you do something that is easier but annoying. And the hope is that you'll try the harder way when you get annoyed enough with the easy way. Obviously, we can have all sorts of psychological discussions about whether or not this manner of suggestion/deterrence is ultimately effective or simply destructive, but first the community needs to understand that the game is not obligated to support the way you are currently playing the game, and thus, when you encounter something annoying, it's probably best to look for alternatives first before complaining.
I loved that on "forbidden rite nerfed" Chris answered "forbidden rite TOTTEMS are on the list". It places a hope in my hearth that self-cast forbidden rite would not be a total trash.
I wish they would do something for vaal skills like what they did with discharge.. like a jewel where you can spam vaal skills.. but lowers your damage by like 70% or something.
For the insane chase uniques, I dont mind them introducing a new tier of items, that are a different colour frame, text ect, and you can even add something in the flavour text too. If we say have 5ish of this headhunter tier items, I think it makes sense to have their own special item class for it. Then we people see them, they will ask, why does this look so different?
This 100%, think of all the people who have no clue about how rare headhunters are/items that equivalent. If your on a heist and have no clue that one of the items offered in a grand heist was worth 1000 times more then what you would have picked up feels incredibly bad to the point that new players feel they have to check pricing on every unique that drops (thank goodness for awakened POE trade). Having a seperate tier/border for these "chase" items helps players know that they got something godly.
whenever i hear people asking questions about "we want to craft more things and not have to trade for stuff all the time!" i cant help but feel like what you really want... is to play SSF....
@@colto2312 the game is build with having the value of an item, there is a reason why people keep posting about having an exalt drop because trade gives it value. The design is revolve around trade whether you like it or not. Rather than saying trade as mandatory, its an easy access for the player to acquire item but at the same time the design is to make sure trade doesnt completely destroy the value of an item. Say harvest during the league, if the game is a single player with no trade, it is THE best system any arpg game could ever have but from a multiplayer trade perspective, it completely destroy most of the value for an item in a community.
But the main barrier to that is the inability to target craft. In trade league, if i were to throw fossils on an item, i might by RNG hit something good but my build cant use it. I can always sell it and recoup my currency to continue crafting what i need. In SSF, i would be stuck crafting again and again to hit a good item that i can use. If there are 10 good outcomes but i only need 1 of them, i hit 1 in trade league and i am done. In SSF, i might need to hit all 10 or more cause you can get dupes. The amazing part about harvest was that i have ways to reach that 1 good outcome which essentially reduced 1 layer of RNG.
@@realIyreally we can talk about this all day and it will go loop and loop again. Is this a problem? YES YES YES. Should this be fix? YES YES YES. HOW?????? This problem here is how. People need to realize the this problem is a design vs human aspect which is why it is so tricky to deal with. This is not a problem they can just flip a switch. Harvest is great but it is a bandaid to the current loot system issue. They have lost control of it way before harvest, it is absolutely their fault that they didnt address this before handing us a tool like harvest. It goes to say that, a lot of issue we are having are a piled up issue from leagues, expecting it to go away all a sudden is an impossible task, especially with their given timeline for every league development. I am not saying current system is good, what i am trying to say is people need to understand the task we are asking for really need time.
Big thanks for the effort put in this podcast by everybody, Chris, and all of the streamers! We are glad, GGG, that you guys are so open about the thinking process about the game development! As a softcore Andy I'm glad your care about us as much! PS: please remove acts or make it 5ex to 70, for the second(3rd-4rth etc) character per league=)
I strongly disagree with deterministic crafting being boring. For me having possibility to craft item that suits my build and experiment with different variation you know to figure out which mods works best for my playstyle, try more builds and so on is what I call fun. Having to rely on RNG all the time and being disappointed again and again and never get to try anything is what discourages me from playing the game.
For me, honestly, if GGG could make the "Reforge all suffixes/prefixes" harvest crafts a lot more common and maybe even adding this effect as other systems (not necessarily as an orb though), my enjoyment would increase significantly and I really don't feel like this would break top-end balance because it is too random to ever see in high end crafting but it is absolutely amazing for lower end crafting. PLEASE GGG I am begging you let this be a real thing, the harvest crafts are just way too rare Edit: The expedition change? Oh god YES, finally, some good f**king food
@@ArtaEva this requires you to complete prophecies Level V (pale court). that's not super accessible early on for the average player. Also, I can't even think of how you go about it on SSF (I mainly place HC Trade). So yea, although I don't believe we need a reforge orb or w/e, the accessibility of the "lock" affixes needs to be revisited for sure. I'd argue I would revisit the cost also.
@@fumeknight2354 well keep ain't pale court, but it's prophecy chain for sure. Dunno never had a big issue, in ssf format to get it at day 1-2 (of playtime), not rngiesh and unlockable once in league. I wouldn't mind reforge orb with keeping random pre/suf (something between ex and chaos). but it's all about softcore trade, so i dunno....
@@ArtaEva I always spam prophecies to get them chaining early on, even spend silver coins to free up space and get the required ones spawning but I always need quite some time to get there. I don't see a harm with them giving that access from the get go. Maybe once you get into maps or so on. Its 2ex cost, it already gatekeeps itself from early league starting anyways.
@@fumeknight2354 first of all the game isn't balnced for ssf. It's balanced around trade league. Also, as they said in previous interviews, they will be moving similar crafts like multimod , socket recipes etc away from prophecies, delve and also hinted that prophecies maybe removed entirely in the future
Thanks Ghazzy, i had the issue of playing a non-meta build and having TWO weeks the Live Search online looking for ONE item till the first poped up at the price of the meta minion helmet for something that would give me 10% more damage and then one other week till another guy who probably didnt have anything to compare and get the reference price put another at a lower price. Not having a good way to craft something a little better is pretty sh!t when your item have a 1/25578 chance of poping using fossils.
Anyone else find it HUGELY entertaining to watch a few of the smartest players talking to a VERY smart Game Dev, Chris is a sharp dude, a good listener and definitely good at staying in touch with we as a community want/need. 👍 This message coming after 3.16 obviously. Every game developer would do well to watch how GGG is handling there product and adopt this game model.
@@randybobandy7203 I think they lured themselves into a trap with that. While ideally your idea is the best choice, they will have to rework the harder bosses like uber elder and maven so it is more doable on one life.
I think name signs on items only devalue the item, unless it is sign from a celebrity. Just experience from TF2 trading. Sign is essentially damaging the good.
I have no idea who any of the people here are apart from CW obviously but thanks for hosting! I swear it feels like 5-10% of POE players find the game "easy" and for some reason CW feels like the vast majority feel this way. I thought that the majority of all players who start POE dont even get to maps let alone any endgame content?
consistency across the board is non-existent. The plight is real. Make game harder because content too easy. Next patch, reduce content cause too hard....
My only issue is where people think the average player gets to in POE. I don't think the average player is in red maps. I think the average player gets stuck in white or yellow.
1:47:00 pretty awesome, I recall in Ragnarok Online, whenever a blacksmith crafted a weapon or something, that item would have "crafted by" or "created by" then the player name, and even after being sold it would retain that info, it's a small thing, but it's neat.
I mean I do like Ghazzy but he came off as extremely combative and hostile and unwilling to view anything differently from how he had already framed it in his mind. It’s honestly making the podcast hard to listen to.
@@10pMiami I think the issue is that Chris sidestepped a lot of questions in the last two interviews, so these interviewers didn't want that to happen again.
@@j.d.6915 What has he side-stepped? I can see people disagreeing with some of his answers, and that some of his answers were "there isn't a definitive answer for this (sometimes vague/leading) question, but we do hear your concerns," but I haven't heard him back down or side step anything.
@@dirtydard4870 Ye grimro and tuna were great and felt reasonable. Ghazzy is straight up twitch chat with the incredibly sarcastic and combative comments.
@@mrvoneverec4274 Challenge might be. Wilson isn't wrong about the fact that certain parts of the game feel too easy. The issue is that he isn't talking about adding challenge; he's talking about actively backtracking on QoL. Every example of changes that might be tested in hard mode that they'd 'never dare' testing in normal mode was just some way of adding several seconds of downtime somewhere in the game. It seems like he believes making the game more irritating will, on its own, without any other changes, be enough to make it more rewarding. He's like that brand of weird Dark Souls fanboy that the rest of the fandom spends most of its time trying to distance itself from.
@@Oops-All-Ghosts some parts of the game are too easy, yet a large number of people leave during the campaign. Maybe too easy for the people who play this game regularly, but the game won't grow if the playerbase shrinks over time. GGG needs to figure out how to keep new players so they can stick around long enough to go further into the game (to the parts they seem to focus on).
@@dagowow *Looks at game description, doesn't see it and Ctrl+Fs to find it* Yea there is no reference to Diablo. Not quite sure what you're seeing my dude.
This I'm referring to the talk about further flask nerfs and implementing them to soft core casual. Dark souls got popular due to insane difficulty, constantly being one-shotted etc. You want the acts to work like deep delving? Because that's how you get acts that function like deep delving.
@@brojakmate9872 But dark souls is rewarding and respects time spent much more than poe. Also its easier to understand and master. In PoE the feeling of exploration is overshadowed by the need to get better gear and reach certain numbers in both offence and defence because otherwise you literally cant progress. The only way is to either be lucky or put in the hours. Skill and game knowledge is not enough to succeed in PoE the same way it is in Dark souls.
About the Name of the crafter: I disagree that the name tag would add in-game value. In D2 Anya as a quest reward would personalize (add name tag to one) of your items. I loved it as long qw I used the item but I would try to avoid buying an item with someone else's name. I would only trade for it if I had no other choice. I expect that tags would normally make the item less valuable just because we would not like to carry someone else's name. Only the name tag of a very famous player (not sure if anyone qualifies. very few streamers if any) would actually add in-game value to the item.
An idea for chris about the "MTX that allows you to count your kills on your item" or something: Buy ins into leaderboards are lame. What is pretty cool however is progressing visual effects. Example: You have a MTX for a weapon or a skill that starts off with "0 kills" and for example the visual effect being toned down or just white and progresses after an x amount of kills to become more fleshy or a different color. Like more goory red considering your weapon is full of blood of the killed enemies or something. Removing the MTX from the gem would reset the kill count and therefore reset the color scheme / flashiness of it. This would maybe even sensitize some players to buy the same MTX several times since they want the character of the last league not to lose the maxed out effect of the MTX. I feel that would be a much cooler approach then a buy in into a leaderboard.
Alright, questions for someone to ask if there's another chance in the future since we need to tie EVERYTHING back to MTG apparently: 1) If people don't want to show off/get a sense of accomplishment from something incrementally built, why is Chris collecting lands? What does he feel differentiates his lands from items in PoE? 2) If Chris had to stake his collection of lands (or build a similar collection of lands from zero) every time he wanted to get more lands, would he do it, or would he find something else to collect? Or would he just stop after a while? For clarity, I'm of the opinion that pre-nerf harvest was way, way, way too strong and post-nerf it's probably too weak in terms of crafting (in terms of boring trades, it's still probably too strong) but that there's a LOT of room for a middle ground.
Yeah I had to stop and think for a moment after hearing "we shouldn't have made flasks auto-refill when you go to town, we should have forced you to go talk to a vendor first." Like even if you believe that people really are spending portal scrolls (and therefore lives, since mapping is the only content where you'd need to worry about flask charges that much) to 'cheese' flasks, as he implied, like. What would this accomplish? Great, now it takes like five more seconds every time you get into town to 'cheese' it; very cool, Chris Wilson. At least the Kaom fight example invokes corpse-cannoning, something that, like... Is technically cheese, even though I can't think of any reason anyone sane would care. Like it really does seem like he just doesn't get that 'friction,' on its own, doesn't add anything to the game? His example for friction that exists in the game currently is, uh, ctrl+clicking items into the stash--but ctrl+clicking is already a more 'frictionless' way of moving things in (as opposed to having to manually click+drag). And on top of that, the last time I played before this current binge I'm on, there were no stash tab affinities--clearly _someone_ in a position of design authority thought it was a good idea to reduce the friction of having to manually ctrl+click everything in. And the game is better for it as a consequence. You still get to appreciate your haul of loot, but you can now get back into the actual game faster. (Also very funny that Wilson spent like two minutes talking about how people are cheesing Kaom by, uh, respawning at the checkpoint, and how the reasonable thing to do in that situation is to move the checkpoint further away, and the immediate response is "couldn't you just make Kaom's health reset if this is a probem?" Like I understand why Ghazzy moved it on after that but damn I kinda wish he hadn't.)
Ive spent some time ruminating on that dynamic, and I feel Chris is correct but chose a bad example. I honestly feel a good example is actually the "WEIGHT" meme. Item weight is a real thing that I find does make good and fun items feel better when theres a bit of annoyance in having picked up a hundred mediocre or bad items beforehand. There really should be a level of nuisance to a game. Now, discussing the line of acceptability (like you're currently doing) is definitely very important and healthy and I of course fully support it. I worry only for the polarized response the idea of intentional nuisance will likely spark in our community.
True, reminded me of Sirius fight... Like the difficulty lies with avoiding getting cheesed by stuff like 3/4 of your screens vision gets blocked by big sirius and his wheel that we can't see him teleport offscreen where he 1shots.... It's not hard it's cheesey asfck.
@@dagowow I don't think anybody here is talking about hard mode... let's take a look at the mana changes in 3.15, as melee char at league start I was out of flasks and out of mana, in a fight vs brutus I had to die in order to replenish flasks + mana, because the alternative was run away and wait for it to regenerate (on melee char basically forever, why melee need so much mana is another story). Nothing is hard about that fight, but it became annoying and irritating AF. Almost quit the league right there at brutus on day 1. The balance is important, running to NPC to recharge flasks is beyond good and evil. Clicking 10 million fragments is annoying not hard, now Sirus fight is hard, you have to learn things and timing and have adequate power. Same with randomness, it is important to the game, but when everything is random, its just absolute crap. Doesn't make the game enjoyable, changes to loot that became droppable anywhere made the game less fun, changes to harvest after ritual made the game less fun, changes to mana multiplier and flasks made the game less fun, gutted very end-game made the game drastically less fun, in a nutshell the game is basically annoying and irritating to play (in 3.15), while recently it was amazing and fun (in 3.13) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I feel everyone misunderstands one of the biggest issues in trade league, as it relates to Harvest and "upgrading one piece of gear". People like me burn 50 crafts to get one perfect. I then saturate the market with items I don't need, that are WAY cheaper than what people would need to spend to make it themselves (to recoup some cost on the craft). This was way less of problem in 3.15, as we were able to recover crafts much, much easier. Working on one item really helped with this problem. The market isn't taken over by "the most efficient entrepreneur" as Chris seems to think - it's a graveyard of 5 stat items, thrown to trade to recoup a small amount of what we lost trying to make an actual upgrade on a 300ex build. If all high-end crafts are ride or die, the market will always be flooded this way - and not as a result of great game design as Chris claims.
This might be controversial, but I feel that quality as a whole isnt really needed. There is a lot of mechanical and item bloat around quality, and outside very specific things (that can be replaced by other mechanics) quality is like a chore/something is annoying to interact with. This would help with both reducing clutter, and also things like chisels for maps for botting etc. (Removing chisels would also help narrow the efficientcy issues with top end players vs more casual which I think is a good thing)
23:23 funny, cause I completely disagree, it's the opposite, I want to have a clear goal, I find it fun and I completely disinterested in showing any items to anyone... on the other side, not knowing the progression, too much randomness IS NOT FUN, it's annoying and irritating, NOT FUN!!! Chris is completely off on this, specially with the treadmill example, you want to have the discipline and clear path to archive things, instead of just finding them randomly
Chris loves this idea of "dropping a mirror, dropping a headhunter, or slamming that t1 mod from an ex" but from someone who got a headhunter from Gwen in the second week, I lost all my drive to play. Getting 90ex instantly when you didn't expect it feels terrible, at least in my opinion, because now you don't need to play the game for gear, you can have whatever you want and didn't have to work for it, and your entire progression ends. Very similar to what I would imagine an rmter would experience. I loved ritual because I could farm harvest for all my different wacky characters and see the progression firsthand.
@@payne8623 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grinding_Gear_Games just look at our wikipedia page.. Mod a truck yourself or buy one already decked out. Which feels better in a years time? I genuinely think Chris has never worked a real job at this point
I think its a fair opinion to disagree with Chris here, but I don't think completely dismissing his opinion is healthy. Opinion differences doesnt make the other people totally wrong. Lets not forget that. I think both options here need to be in play at once, in different ways, which I believe is Chris' opinion too, given he literally discusses his support of linear progression type things ie farming a tabi and such. His entire opinion seems to be based on the idea of finding this kind of balance, so I don't see how your end feeling on the matter is such doubt.
@@davidpowell3469 lol same story here, 3.13 played to the last day of the league, 3.15 quit after 1 week while genuinely giving it a try, in my case though I didn't care about power nerfs as much as nerfs to the very endgame since 3.14, so no T19 100% deli maps, still no harvest, but also no flasks charges, constantly out of mana, the game just became annoying to play, wasn't enjoying it anymore... why would they remove 100% deli map in 3.14 if the replacement to the very end game is planned in 3.17 (9 month gap)? doesn't sound smart to me if you ask me.
Regarding scams in POE, a very common scam (as I found out after I got scammed myself) is for someone to list perandus coins for sale and wait for someone to ask for them (which meant, in my case, I had perandus manor map open) and then take the portal from my hideout and steal the valuable items perandus is offering in my map. I did not bothered to report the teft but I will never be buying perandus coins again.
i love the idea of hard mode, but sadly, it would be virtually impossible to do 40 challenges as a hard mode character which is usually my league goal. it is already extremely hard to do in ssf since you need the gear to survive some of these challenges. some are too rare that you can afford to experiment while having really bad gear. i also only play one character per league so i won't reroll a hard mode character.
on topic of auras - I think something like Smite or March of the Legion boots are both great ideas. This is partly why I think minion builds are boring, even though I'd love to play one. Some archetype of "blessing" or "empowering" your minions/allies for a short time and having to frequently recast the skill; maybe some channeling skill that would empower your allies as long as you channel it, and you can maybe do a CwC Smite-like skill or something. Possibilities are there, I believe. Furthermore, an active cursing support or a cursing minion build archetype utilizing bane-like minion skill would be a banger, I think edit: oh, and I would love to see summon guardian go, at least in it's current interation. It'd be cool for guardian to be the main skill you can scale with weapons/armor or something, but it being a pseudo-aurabot sucks big time
Well done Ghazzy, Grimro and Tuna you guys did a great job in this podcast!. These guys aren't professional interviewers and they did a good job even when asking direction questions and hoping for a direct reply instead of evasive answers. There seems to be a lot of hate in the comments. Let's be real guys GGG lost a 30% of the player base in 3.15 they lost money and players knowing this would happen with their direction from the nerfs for following their core game philosophy and whether or not you see it these podcasts are PR for GGG. Chris is extremely good at talking to people that is mostly his title he is reassuring the players that next league, and all future leagues are going to still be good gameplay whether or not he he answers evasive to all the questions, time and time again he will always bring back it follows our core philosophy when answering across all podcasts to stamp the line.
Also the issue with the "True" endgame content being "gated" behind certain builds similarly to how deep delving can't be done realistically on a number of skills-This makes sense. However there is not really a case where X build that CAN do the "True" endgame that CAN'T do other content making the argument nonsensical. You can't balance true endgame in a way that only a certain number of skills can hope to complete it when those same skills can literally do everything else in the game. For example i like my self made self cast Freezing pulse build which may or may not be like any other one (I don't use references so I don't know) But I cannot complete the simulacrum at all, I die instantly as enemies spawn around me and that's the end. Meanwhile a toxic rain character gets a literal free pass to about all the content allowing it to easily complete the majority-If not ALL of poe's content with it being immune to reflect so it can do Atziri, High damage and damage uptime in addition to being ranged so bosses like Sirus are hardly a challenge and others for similar reasons like maven. This means they are literally balancing around 3-4 builds that will continue to conquer all content while people that want to use an off meta skill will be gated due to a number of factors (Like reflect or tanky mobs spawning instantly around you and auto attacking) that they can't get around. If this is truly the extent of Gggs balance design when it comes to their "Aspirational" content it is deeply flawed to its core and like many skills-They activity refuse to address it in a meaningful way and the game suffers because of it.
I think the biggest problem is that people started looking at the game as a (second) job, instead of a hobby. When the question is whether a content is worth doing it instead of whether is fun to do, we're missing the core problem. Also I very disliked your attitude, and please take this rather a constructive criticism than as an attack. I like the content you make, but this time I really felt like you went in more with a will to attack or prove Chris wrong than an open mind for an honest talk. Edit: added 'than', missed the first time :)
I couldn't agree more, I was hoping this wouldn't happen, but sadly it turned that way again. Not just the tone, but the smirks when he hears something he doesn't agree with. It does such a disservice to the discussion and is tremendously disappointing to see.
*shrugs* i liked his approach. i think chris wilson deserves both criticism and scrutiny, as his vision is contrary to both ours and theirs, as they've spent the last nine years making the game we've come to enjoy. now all of a sudden power creep is unacceptable that massive, sweeping nerfs are required, but it wasn't three months ago when they released new gems? (which, by the way, were all nerfed this league). i don't trust chris wilson, and i have 40 reasons not to.
@@buddybrozy And that is fine, also different people have different opinion, which is also quite fine. What is more than nice the way you can bring your opinion in a nice way; that's what I really disliked about his attitude. I did watch the previous two podcasts/interviews as well, and even tho they were the same in nature more or less - i. e. the streamers present had a different expectation or need from what the game offers, they still managed to stay respectful (well apart from RaizQT sometimes) to the person who is after all the CEO of the company. Which other company offered an honest talk with their players? I think if something prompts respect, that is. And on a more personal note, I think the answers he gave in all three interviews were very satisfactory: it both showed he understood the question and the need of the community, and also shed some light on the 'what's' and 'why's' behind one or another decision.
47:15 yes you want to make the shoes. You CAN right now, it's just cheaper to buy on the market because crafters can even out their rng. Making the crafts easier will also make it easier for the crafters so the market shoes will STILL be cheaper. Yes you can make crafting easier so people who do not want to deal with trade have an easier time making their own shoes. But that is not going to stop the people who are only incentivized by the easiest path forward from still ignoring crafting.
@@ahmedbadreddinemoucouf3662 Because new players just buying all their gear when they don't have money will hit a brick wall they can't do anything about, they have to learn some basic crafting so that they don't end up throwing away all their money for something that's like a 5% DPS increase
OK, but who will get a leaderboard that works? I go on some games and the run time for a race is 3 seconds, I can't even get to the first turn in 3 seconds. So how will the score or time etc be kept real? And if someone is caught cheating they are banned. Like if the leaders have all scammed the game what is the joy in the fight then it becomes who is the best cheater.
How about when you put an item for sale in your stash, it is “on hold” in your stash and you can’t use it anymore. Then when someone sends an offer to buy it, they get sent the item and you get sent the currency… it will completely stop the people price fixing items. Or when you sit there for over an hour trying to buy an item that everyone has but hundreds of people just don’t answer or can’t be bothered leaving a map to trade the item…. People selling don’t think that maybe the buyer really wants or needs that item right now…. If I can’t buy an item within 3 players I just go play more and come back later. It’s such a dumb way to trade. Fix that
I'm having trouble listening to Chris anymore. There are so many fundamental things I disagree with. Farming a tabula is still rng. Normal lab is deterministic. Farming a tabula isn't great because I show my friends. I don't have friends that care about anything I do in Poe. A six link is nice because I can start to play the game. Nuisance isn't why I play the game. I play the game because it's a game. The experience is fun. I don't play to get an item so that I can stop playing. I get an item so I can make some skill viable so that I can play the game. Playing Poe feels like you are lost. That feels bad. It feels great when you find direction. I play Poe because I have hope that I can eventually make some of these skills I like fun. Not because I get an item to show off. There is no one to show off to. It's a solo game. Honestly, if they just make maps less top heavy with better lower progression, I'll be happy. I'm tired of feeling like I need a8 to finally start my farm to finally start to get some pieces to play the character I want to play. Then I finally start the character, and I level again, and I don't progress my atlas more, or don't farm the right stuff to access the content, or something I want is behind some other content and I can't start doing that until I finish leveling.
I agree completely. I don't understand why Chris thinks players are bragging about what they find in PoE. How many people even have friends that play PoE? Why is that even taken into account when designing the game?
@@dagowow well, I do play standard a bit. Not being able to play the league actually feels kinda bad though. I did play a bit more during ritual though because I didn't want to do ritual. Disorganized stash tabs was pretty awful. Map tabs were a mess. It's fun spamming bosses for a bit though. This league, I had a bunch of rl stuff happen week 2, and I didn't log in for a week, and then I just haven't really been back. Ran a few maps here and there, but I'm still in mid yellows. The thought of the grind was just kinda defeating. I just think so many fundamental positions that Chris takes are completely the opposite of how I feel. I don't do something for the reward, I do it to play the game. The reward just helps give direction for the next step.
