It’s actually so infuriating that Guillermo del Toro stood on that stage last year and talked about how Animation is not a genre and it should be respected as a medium, only to get disrespected next year like always
Yeah!! He did that once, he would do it multiple times so that the people who don’t respect animation can finally show the respect animation deserves!!
I mean Nimona getting nominated over Wish at least makes a more decent than usual line up for animated feature, but yeah the fact that animation is never even considered for categories besides best animated and usually at least one best original song is maddening. Spider-Verse not getting anything else is stupid (I still think the first one not getting a best picture nom is one of the biggest snubs in Oscar history), but for the oscars it seems to be a better year than most.
@@Joenah5 Sure but their view over the Animated category is still very narrow minded since it feels like they never take the time and care to consider anime for example(except if it's Studio Ghibli)
Honestly it seems so poetic how Nimona was cast aside by Disney because it "didn't fit the brand" or whatever the reason was yet it ends up being mostly well received and is nominated for best animated feature yet Wish (Disney's 100th Anniversary film) wasn't XD As if Disney needed another lesson in hubris lmao
“It didn’t fit the brand” aka it was too gay. Meanwhile they patted themselves on the back for having a non binary character in Elemental even though the character isn’t even non binary in the movie, but in the novelization.
I wish the movies just used his score and didn't bother with licensed music. Simply because the original score is outstanding and the songs plain suck and really pull me out of the movie
Seeing Schaff’s bitterness towards Oscar season get stronger and seeing his tone get more and more melancholic over time is kinda like seeing the before and after effects of alcohol abuse.
The fact Gaurdians 3 was snubbed for the makeup and hairstyling is criminal. It had the most amount of prosthetics in movie history and they all looked amazing mixed with the makeup
I know Comic Book Movies aren't high art, but the number of technical categories they get passed up on is starting to reach Animated Movie levels of disrespect
"Best animated feature" is really starting to feel like the Thanksgiving kids table for movies with films like Spider-Verse being the 16 year old who's ready to sit with the adults Edit: I'm not saying Boy and the Heron doesn't also deserve to move tables, Spider-Verse was just the example I chose
Ngl people are over exaggerating how good spider verse is. Like spider verse is definitely a good movie, but it’s just not on the level of other films this year like Oppenheimer, Killers of the Flower Moon, and The Holdovers
@michaeltnk1135 Even if you're not a fan of the plot, you can't deny the visual and technical marvel this film is. The animation, editing, sound design, score are all top notch and deserve recognition, but it gets tossed aside just because it's animated
@michaeltnk1135 that sounds like a pretty subjective opinion. Like Ive seen Oppenheimer,killers and spiderverse and its absolutely on the same level to me.
Schaffrillas’s really fulfilled some prophecy with that tweet last night. That is so funny and sad. 5:49 is honestly such a funny reaction though. Never thought I’d hear him sound like that.
That is the most insane Schaffrillas reaction I've ever seen. I've heard him get angry, and I imagine it's somewhat exaggerated, but oh boy, that was strong.
I am the most shocked that across the spiderverse didn't get nominated for best score. That alone sucks but the fact that the dial of destiny was nominated instead really drove the metaphorical knife deeper into my side.
Gotg 3 literally has a WORLD RECORD for most makeup and prosthetics in a movie, yet it isn’t nominated for best makeup and hairstyling Edit: I understand that just because it has the most doesn’t make it the best. But it’s still REALLY impressive and (in my opinion) looks way better than some of the other movies. If you’ve seen the movie you’d know
Most and best are not the same thing. I'm not saying it shouldn't have been nominated, but the fact that it had the most makeup and prosthetics out of any movie shouldn't be the deciding factor.
Wow, I did not know that. I’m actually rooting for Guardians to win. none of the previous Guardians films won an Oscar before so so it would be nice if this one did
I 100% agree with the Spider-Verse scandal, but HOW DID GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY VOL. 3 NOT GET NOMINATED FOR MAKEUP?!?! It broke the record for most prosthetics in a movie, and the whole High Evolutionary mask thing was crazy. They really hate Superhero movies. I’m also pretty sure that the entire set used for Knowhere may have been the biggest set in Marvel movie history?
@@TheNunchuckChampion I didn’t even really think that for a while, but I’m starting to believe it. From now on, I think I’m just gonna ignore award shows lol
oscar predictor here and I'm here to tell you that it was likely going to happen tbh. before the shortlists dropped, all of us had guardians in #2 or #3 in makeup, and then we actually freaked out when we found out it wasn't eligible on the shortlists for whatever reason. i really don't think martin scorsese is trying to rub off on the oscars lol. i loved guardians 3 and i really did wish it got in, but I'm not surprised. the oscars don't even respect legacy filmmakers in the live-action field.
@@TheNunchuckChampionnot a bad thing…although true efforts to be good get mixed with the general brand recognition that usually shouldn’t get nominated
Yeah, the new Paw Patrol movie is peak cinema. It's rated PG so that's how you know it's cool. Sometimes the dogs are scared and there's even a fake-out death. It's almost as good as The Bad Guys (2022) EDIT: Does no one understand irony
The fact that John Williams got 54 nominations and none of them were for The Phantom Menace or Revenge of the Sith tells you all you need to know about that category
The fact that John Williams didn't win for Prisoner of Azkaban in 2004 when it was the best of his Harry Potter work (and all the HP soundtracks), didn't share many features with the Prequels unlike HP 1and 2 which he scored at the same time, and explored Renaissance-style themes and instrumentation was so unserious of the Academy.
@@Asimigiovani "Return of the King" didn't win against "Prisoner of Azkaban". They came out in different years. POA instead lost to "Finding Neverland"
Hot take: Attack Of The Clones has the worst score from all SW films--it's decent with tracks like Across The Stars, the Coruscant chase music and (of course) the ending theme, but other than that not everything is too memorable... in comparison, even the minor cues from Revenge Of The Sith (which can be found in the complete soundtrack) was what made me discover Star Wars music in the first place
I love how Schaff turns into Golem or something for like 5 seconds after it's revealed Spiderverse didn't get a nomination for og score, and then just spouts a fugking anime villain monologue 😅
Keep in mind, these are the same people who gave Rise of frickin' Skywalker a nom for "Original" Score. It's John Williams bias, just like their Disney bias on animation (though Wish was snubbed, lol).
The Across the Spider-Verse soundtrack is so damn good, it absolutely should have gotten an original score nomination. Since the movie released, I've listened to the soundtrack regularly and so much of it is absolutely fantastic.
Good for you 😊 But unfortunalety we live in a time where they just don’t care about animation in the slightest. Love what is good , hate what is bad , that’s all you need to know.
The Spider-Verse score snub frustrates me so much. Daniel Pemberton put SO MUCH love, experimentation, and creativity into that score. it had every right to get nominated but it just wasn't I'm so sick of animated films getting nominations outside of best animated feature once in a blue moon. It shows you just how little they actually care about animation and it sucks.
It’s even for animated short films because outside of Disney, Pixar, Looney Tunes, Tom and Jerry and Wallace & Gromit most of the nominated and wins aren’t available or badly need film restorations.
@@crazyfire9470 There’s a mini-series on Sony Animation’s official YT channel with Pemberton going over the process of creating certain pieces in the score
Once again, animated films have been snubbed in all but one category. Daniel Pemberton's phenomenal score deserves so much more praise and recognition. At least Nimona was rightfully nominated for Best Animated Feature instead of Wish.
There was a time the Academy recognised the animated movies in other categories. Now they're all stuck with just one award, even though these films have done far better with critics and fans.
ehhh. a silent voice was fantastic, but it realistically never stood a chance due to the nature of its release. the lego batman movie, however, was a mainstream hollywood movie that everyone saw and loved and that somehow also missed out in the same year??? that's truly the most egregious snub. honestly if you replaced the boss baby and ferdinand with a silent voice and lego batman you'd have a peak lineup.
The only nom I actually cared about was Godzilla Minus One because of how it's such a milestone for not just the franchise but for the history of Japanese special effects films Also you going wild over the original score noms had me rolling
@thomasffrench3639 I haven't. I was more so referring to the vfx nomination being of significance, especially since Japanese sfx films have always been looked down upon in America
I think the Hollywood elitists who vote for the Oscars are mad that animators making “kids films” make better movies than them with their “adult dramas”. It’s the only reason I can think of why the Masterpiece that was Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse got nominated for ONLY ONE
There have only been three animated movies that have been nominated for Best Picture: Beauty and the Beast, Up, and Toy Story 3. In that same time period they actually did recognise animated movies outside of Best Animated, usually for the music. Also, in the same Oscars the live-action Disney princesses made that speech belittling these "kids movies", Flee, an adult documentary was nommed for Best Animated.
Meh, the first Spiderverse movie was better. I genuinely do not consider ATSV a “masterpiece”. I’m way more pissed that Joe Hisaishi wasn’t nominated for best score.
Especially with last year having Across the Spiderverse and Boy and the Heron, 2 of the most MATURE AND MASTERFUL ANIMATED FILMS IN RECENT YEARS got NOTHING outside of its designated category is deplorable
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Godzilla Minus One definitely should've been nominated for more Oscar's than just the visual effects, the acting, score, sound design were all amazing in their own right
“What was the makeup in Oppenheimer?” I take that as a compliment to the team that the old age makeup looked so good that you didn’t even clock it as makeup.
You know what the Oscars should do if they want my attention? Right before they give the Best Picture award, they should have an orchestra play a medley of themes from all the Best Picture nominees like the Game Awards does. That’s basically the only thing the Game Awards consistently does well, so it wouldn’t hurt the Oscars to rip them off.
The one thing from this year that they get right is Godzilla Minus One getting an award for best visuals; since even on the reported budget of $15 million, with the director saying that the movie was less than the reported cost, so around the $10-$12 million, still looks exponentially better than what hollywood has been doing for the last few years.
Spiderverse deserved Best Picture, Screenplay, VFX, Score, etc. The Academy snubbing it by not including it in its nominations is unforgivable. It's like they flat-out ignored and disrespected Guillermo Del Torro in his speech last year when he said Animation is a medium and not a genre. It would have to take a worldwide revolution and protest to remind the Academy to take back their mistake and acknowledge that Animation is Art and should be celebrated.
Maybe for Best VFX, but I don’t know about Best Picture or Score (although I don’t think John Williams should’ve been nominated, either). But, then again, if the Oscars is going to give nominations to films like “Napoleon” and “Indiana Jones: The Dial Of Destiny”, and nominate “Barbie” for Best Picture (not saying that it’s a bad film since I haven’t seen it yet, but it doesn’t quite fit the mold of an “Oscar-worthy film”), then it wouldn’t hurt to also nominate “Across The Spider-Verse” and “The Boy And The Heron” for Best Picture. Both of these films fit the mold of an “Oscar-worthy” Best Picture nomination better than a film like “Barbie” does due to the drama and mature themes in those films, in my opinion. I think Joe Hisaishi should’ve been nominated for Best Original Score, in my opinion.
So two things: A) I would probably have been much more upset by Margot Robbie being snubbed if this wasn't so clearly Lily Gladstone's year to win it B) I laughed so fucking hard at your reaction when they announced the soundtrack nominations, it's great getting to see that Oscar rage in other people
Even in the Annie Awards (Academy Awards for Animation) Wish didn't got a SINGLE nomination but Nimona got plenty of nominations in different categories.
On the one hand, I absolutely love all the attention Oppenheimer is getting, as it absolutely deserves it. On the other, HOW IN THE WORLD DID ACROSS THE SPIDER VERSE NOT EVEN GET NOMINATED FOR BEST ORIGINAL SCORE?
@@crazyfire9470 Let me put it this way. Across the Spider Verse WAS my favorite soundtrack of 2023, no contest. It's the only one that I actively listened to outside of the movie.
I cannot get over the fact that not only was Daniel Pemberton & Spiderverse not nominated for Original Score but neither was Joe Hisaishi for the Boy & the Heron?! But Indiana Jones??? Blasphemy
That shit was so ass bro. Me and my family immediately got home and watched Crystal Skull since my cousin kept saying that at least it wasn’t as bad as that. Turns out it was worse.
@@tallerwarrior1256Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is much worse. Maybe up until the point where it's revealed that Mutt is Indiana's son you could argue it's better, but afterwards it's terrible. Dial of Destiny is just mid through and through.
@@jd1800 Dial had such a convoluted and idiotic story, none of the main characters and antagonists were interesting or compelling, and even on the technical side it failed miserably. Crystal Skull on the other hand has a fairly well constructed story that celebrates the Indiana Jones legacy, most of the characters are all fairly compelling or at least entertaining, and the technical aspects are all good except for the CGI. Crystal Skull just got a lot of flack because of the fact that it was succeeding one of the greatest cinematic trilogies and didn’t reach the standard of any of the past three movies. The reason why many people think Dial is mid is because the movie literally doesn’t do anything. None of the characters grow and it follows the cliche trope of out of touch old man needing to move on and let go of the past (literally). There’s no substance, style, or entertainment. The only saving Grace Dial has are the first 15-20 minutes of the movie with young Indy at the end of the war, that’s it.
@@tallerwarrior1256 Dial of Destiny's antagonist isn't iconic or anything, but he was easily more compelling than Spalko, probably because it was Mads Mikkelsen. None of the characters, as cliché as they were, were worse than Mac or Willie from Temple of Doom. The movie never had anything as cringeworthy as the refrigerator nuke scene, or Mutt catching up to a speeding vehicle by swinging from vine to vine with an army of monkeys. It didn't have the awful color grading Kingdom of the Crystal Skull had up until 2021 that made everything look ugly as sin. Also, this is just personal preference, but the antikythera mechanism is a much better choice of artifact than a crystal skull.
Nah it didn’t get it because it butchered the original text and the Academy knows it. Personally so hate the film, but obviously many people think it’s fantastic. But to get nominated for best adaption you have to actually adapt the text well.
My Dad went to go see Napoleon without me, but when he was initially inviting me to go watch it, for whatever reason he accidentally referred to the movie as "Ceasar" From now on I will only refer to the movie as Ceasar lmaooo
It pisses me off so much that an incredible film like Spider-Verse got nominated for less Oscars than the mediocre Napoleon. And it pisses me off even more that Spider-Verse and Indiana Jones 5 have the same amount of nominations!!!!
Across the SpiderVerse is my 2nd favorite film of all time next to Prince of Egypt. The fact it got nominated for nothing but animated feature kinda presses my buttons.
John Williams score was amazing in dial of destiny, I loved it when the people actually in charge of score said “it’s John Williams time” and then they used John Williams old tunes all over the poace
SpongeBob: Hmmm? (shows Spider-Verse) Academy: Oh that's not so much! SpongeBob: Hmmmmm? (shows The Boy and the Heron) Academy: So? SpongeBob: Hmmmmmm? (shows Nimona) HMMMMMMMMMM???? (shows Robot Dreams) HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM???????? (opens window to show TMNT: Mutant Mayhem) Academy: 😬
Between the dark crystal and spiderverse Daniel Pemberton has been in my top 5 artists for YEARS and definitely deserved to at least be nominated. The intro and Start A Band are so iconic already and even less important tracks like Guggenheim Assemble have so so much thought put into them
Sorry Schaff, but since John Williams is very very old and scored Jurassic Park the Academy thinks he needs to be nominated every year he is alive, even for re-used music, Oppenheimer's a lock though so it don't matter. Also I'm putting a tax on everyone currently commenting "Animation is Cinema" to watch Blue Eye Samurai before you do that, cause I'm not confident you ain't just all talking about Trolls 3.
Maybe they're doing this to try and atone for them not nominating his score for Jurassic Park (I mean he still got nominated and won for Schindler's List the same year, but the point still stands )
I don’t know of a single person that thinks “Trolls 3” should be nominated for Best Animated Feature, let alone any Oscar nomination. Although, I have heard people say the Mario movie should’ve been nominated for Best Animated Feature, which I don’t agree with all.
The Academy Awards desparately need an "Adapted Score" category if shit like "Dial of Destiny" and "Rise of Skywalker win, yet "Across the Spider-Verse" and "Avenger's Endgame" don't. Oh, and if they aren't going to nominate Animated films for anything else, they need to give them more categories, like for Voice Acting, Score, and Directing.
I’d disagree about there being no original music in Dial of Destiny, as Helena’s theme is an amazing new work by John. That said, although I’m happy with the nom, it should have been alongside of or replaced by Across the Spider-Verse, which is undoubtedly better than Dial of Destiny’s score.
Godzilla only receiving a VFX nomination, when it at least deserved a best actor, supporting actress, score, and possibly even a Best Picture nomination, is so disappointing.
9:42 El Conde is an International Feature Film from Chile, a satire about a dictatorship and its leader who has turned into a vampire. Really recomended but you have to know about the historical context of our country...
The fact that Godzilla minus one got nothing else especially international feature film kinda ticks me off. Though I'm glad it got anything honestly. Especially becoming the first Godzilla movie to get an Oscar.
WHEN the HELL did they make ROBOT DREAMS into a movie???? This video is the first I’ve heard of it! I am watching that as soon as possible, that book is so good. If I had a nickel for every time one of my favourite graphic novels got spontaneously adapted into a movie, I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot-
The sound design is incredible in Robot Dreams I told the director in person to campaign for his sound crew to get nominated unfortunately no nominations for Sound. Damn. But Animated Feature rightly deserved.
The fact that Boy and the Heron and Across the Spiderverse, the 2 best Animated movies in recent years, didn’t get ANYTHING outside of its designated category makes me FURIOUS GOD DAMMIT ACADEMY YALL ARE IRREDEEMABLE The fact that 2 lower mid movies with Indians Jones and Napoleon being nominating is insulting
Agreed. Although Hisaishi’s score for “The Boy And The Heron” isn’t my most favorite score from him (I like his scores for “Castle In The Sky” and “Howl’s Moving Castle” better), I still thought the score was pretty good and almost on par with some of his other work, like the score for “Spirited Away”. I have the urge to watch the Annie Awards now more than I ever did in my life. The Academy snubbing Hisaishi is especially shameful.
