I think the only thing I completely miss from the books, is that the movie doesnt show how hard they work. like how sophie stays up ALL night to make her makeup and clothes, or when she puts herself into studying. and how agatha works so hard for sophie
Yesss and like how is it that they could easily cross through the halfway bridge? Or how immediately it was that tedros fell for agatha. Or how the trial had only 2 students instead of 10 of each school, or how the school master is supposed to never be seen. I can go on for dayss
Yes I was waiting to see Aggie with at least one book because they did alot to trick everyone and make tedros fall for Sophie. Also if I remember right Agatha studied so hard for Sophie and her that she aced all classes except beauty class Also Agatha was so pretty in the movie that they couldn't do the part where Agatha started to see herself as non evil and turned into someone beautiful like a princess because shed fallin in love while Sophie turned hideous. Sophie was a lot darker in the book they miss a certain part when her hair got cut off. How she showed her anger
Sophie is clearly evil from the get go, especially with how she basically treats her friendship with Agatha as a charitable act. They were absolutely too close at the start.
Remember In the book when she was drag to the torture room and they cut her hair The person who cut her hair I think it was a wolf that gone missing because remember she killed him. That when we knew she was evil they should've added that in the movie. I can't remember the specifics though
well when you think about it, Sophie's friendship with Agatha in the movie is true actually because she became friends through her loss of her mother, through Agatha being there for Sophie, to Sophie being there for Agatha as well, in the movie though later on she is more and more corrupted by evil showing how people can be or do anything for their own greed or dreams, I think it also shows how people can do terrible things when hurt, people can get corrupted, tricked, or even emotional for why they do their bad things, doe sit make them right? No, but does it make these things sound more human due to how we have done things like this or seen it or heard of it in a more mellow way? yes! the movie brings an inner deep of thought for even opinion I feel which I like!
@@Spirit_Imagination Agreed that the movie is a great movie - though I would see it more as inspired by the books and not necessarily representing them greatly. But the author seems to have wanted exactly that.
Turns out Sophie is Both good and evil thats what this movie is about its not about good defeating the evil or evil defeating the good its about reuinting Both sides as one we all have darkness inside and goodness
I hate that they changed the lore of School of Good and Evil in Gavaldon. In the books Everyone in Gavaldon was preparing to protect their children from being kidnapped by the school masters. In the movie Sophie and Agatha only knew about SGE after visiting Deauville’s bookshop the same day they’re kidnapped. This change kinda destroyed the world building of SGE, also with this change Agatha and Sophie’s disappearance were just so random.
And with a 2.5 hour movie you'd think they'd have time to give us more of Gavaldon and explore some of that history instead of making it a one-off kidnapping
Yeah it kinda makes it too convenient that they hear about it and out of nowhere get kidnapped. The books made it make more sense, more natural on how it qould transition to them getting selected.
The movie was OK, but it should have been a show. They cut off too many things: the sarcastic personality of Agatha, they changed the scene of the gargoyle switching it with the Character of Gregor, they cut the Goose scene with Sophie and that was a really good one to show the evil powers of Sophie, THE SCENE OF THE MIRROR with professor Dovey which was a point of no Return for Agatah… they cut probably too many things or changed it, if they had made a series there would have been much more time to explain things better.
The Film is good but there are few major things changed that were kinda challenging: (SPOILERS for the Books and Movie) 1. The Rats. WHERE ARE ANADIL’S RATS🐀. The RaTs were her whole spiel, her TALENT, they match her whole aesthetic. They were in the trailer so I was so excited for giant rats to charge through causing chaos in the movie but instead…. Electrokinesis and telekinesis…..they made her into a psychic with electric powers… just WHY, and Electric blue is not EVEN HER FINGERGLOW COLOR, ITS GREEN. Why I will never understand. 2. Why did they cut The Beast scene, The part in the book where Sophie was sent to the Doom Room was because of her own mistake, SHE CAUSED A RIOT. The part where the Beast chopped off her hair and her retaliating by savagely drowning him in cold blood and afterward throwing him into the moat was actually the moment where Sophie has done something truly evil and shows that she truly deserves the title of True Evil. Because Evil Never forgives, only Good. But instead, in the movie Lesso just dragged Sophie off to be punished,……for talking to a boy…. Then the part where she cut her hair off so that she would “know her priorities”, afterwards leaving her only to be surprised when Sophie begins willingly going against her. LIKE THIS TAKES AWAYS SO MUCH FROM THE SCENE. In the Movie, Sophie is presented a unfortunate victim that was being manipulated, rejected and abused by Authority figures in the schools so we actually cheer for her when she takes back her power and thrives, when we supposed to be upset that she is actually Evil. The whole point of The Beast being the one killed was to show in a room with Sophie and a monster, Sophie is the most dangerous with the added angst in that, the creatures such as the fairies,wish fish ,manwolves,stymphs, including the Beast were actually former students that failed and The Beast was a former Ever student that failed to be Good and so was forced to slave for the School for Evil for eternity Also, Lesso punishing Sophie because she got Rafal’s attention instead of her just comes across as petty and spiteful instead of actually evil I’m sorry 😂 Edit: Changes I actually like in the movie: 1. Gregor. Just sweet silly Gregor who just wants to run a grocery store. HE DESERVES BETTER. But honestly, changing the Gargoyle to Gregor was actually a good decision, because it shows and we see Agatha’s connection and empathy to him all the more real and understandable thus making his unjustified punishment and death all the more personal, showing how shallow the the school has truly become in judging someone to be “Good”. Also, this actually gives a good reason to punch Tedros in the face(Goodness knows that Agatha deserves to do that after everything). 1.) The Wish fish scene was changed a bit and some develovement was taken away but I still LOVED it because it had Heart. It still showed Agatha’s indecisiveness but still showed Agatha’s empathy . 3.) The actors and visuals. It’s stunning and the actors did great performances. The script though just ok Honestly reading the books before the movie is a curse sometimes.
Couldn't agree more! I also think they messed up Tedros and agathas relationship. The film made them into each other from the start, when in the books, no matter how much they're pushed towards each other, they're still repulsed by the other. They only start to fall in love when agatha saves him.
@@rubymoon3182 now that's a story I would ship hard. I liked the movie a lot but Agatha's and Tedros relationship just didn't have the *spark* ... The actors could have the chemistry if they didn't remove the spark
I completely agree with the beast scene. It was such a crucial character moment that caused so much confusion for Sophie and Audience. Also what the hell was with Agatha becoming a bird and not a cockroach? I loved the cockroach!
What’s with the school master’s fight at the beginning? He was suposed to be a misterious character that revealed his face at the END of the movie. Also, why didn’t they explain the kidnappings like in the books? That would’ve been sm betterr Like ofc i know it is an adaptation but it was kind of confusing?? ALMOST DONE Tedros and Agatha were supposed to have more chemistryyyyyy, the circus talent scene where he asks her to the dance would’ve been *chef’s kiss*
They needed more action so you have to open with a fight scene lol. I don't even think it was a lack of explaining the kidnappings though, they simply didn't happen in the movie outside of the one time. Not sure why they made that change
Yes it really irked me that they didn’t show the Gavaldon folk preparing for the kidnapping. Instead they only knew about SGE after visiting Deauville.
It was a solid movie, but there were a couple things I didn't like. Dovey's character being all hyper and cheery didn't sit well with me knowing what her character was like originally. I also didn't like the twist with Lesso being a reader, and her being in love with the school master. It felt like an unnecessary change. The big thing that I didn't like was the removal of a lot of the professors, especially August Sader and Princess Uma. If they do a sequel, I'm curious how they will handle those characters not being there. It was a good movie but I felt like everything was a little too rushed and condensed. Solid performances from the actors all around though, and the sets and costumes were all great.
Not having Sader was odd. I don't know why they did that. I also agree they should've spent more time with the professors, and I don't know why they changed the knowledge of the school from regular thing that happens frequently to "it's only ever happened once before" and making Lesso a reader.
@@strawberrysongs2468 Part of the reason that annoyed me is that in the book there is another character who was once in love with the school master, but it's not Lesso. It's a different important antagonist in a later book. Lesso is evil, but she is friends with Dovey and understands the need for good and evil to be balanced. That's why in the end, she is against the school master. She's a complicated character and one of the best the series has, but I feel they made her too one dimensional in the movie
They also wrote out Professor Sader who is, in my opinion, a big part of the first book and even a father figure to Agatha. I was really hoping to see him in live action but beggars cant be choosers.
I have a theory that they will introduce the Saders in the next movie (if we ever get one), since writing out the primal antagonist of the whole book wouldnt make any sense.
@@MsVee-qx4wo evelyn sader is august saders half sister. august sader is a seer and he teaches at the school. he taught history of villainy at the school for evil and history of heroes at the school for good. he’s really important in the first book. so she comes in the second one and that’s the character that lady lesso is merged with
Liked the movie but it didn’t fully do the books justice, it probably should’ve been a series, or hopefully they do multiple movies because the books were Harry Potter level good if you ask me
It definitely would've been better as a series, but it started as a theatrical film and then Netflix bought it. I think if it had begun production at Netflix, it likely would've been a series instead
It wasn’t necessarily a bad movie, it just wasn’t true to the book, obviously it wasn’t going to be the exact same, but they changed so much! These things in particular annoyed me: - Rafal was in it way too much, Sophie becoming evil was meant to be fuelled by Sophie thinking Agatha was her nemesis, but it just felt like Rafal was making her think that way. - Sophie didn’t have any setup for any future flaws, she was shown to actually want to be Agatha’s friend, which isn’t true! She’s only meant to be friends with Agatha as a “good deed”. - Tedros was pathetic! He’s meant to be insecure and hate Agatha at the beginning, but he for some reason liked her throughout the whole story and Agatha felt the same! There was no progression!! I wanted to see them absolutely despise one another at the start, like in the book, and then slowly progress, but there was none of that! - Lesso, why on earth did they change her story completely? - Where is Sader, Pollux and Castor?! - Why did Agatha have no arc?!!! She’s meant to think she’s ugly, and then throughout the story, she realises she’s not. The whole point of her not smiling in Beautification class, is because she never smiles, but she smiles so many times in the movie!! We don’t get to see Agatha going from being insecure about her appearance, to her confidence. It’s completely skipped and the whole movie she wears the clothes without appearing slightly irritated. It felt like she was sidelined as they focus on the rest of the story. It wasn’t bad, just kind of disappointing when it’s inspired from such an amazing series. At least we’ll always have the books! :)
@@TheNerdDoc yh that would be better cause they have enough time to expand the characters the movie wasn’t bad tho it was pretty good but they could have done better
@@TheNerdDoc I had the same exact thought. Granted I'm also the type to be okay with watching a 4-5 hour movie. I just wish there was more time spent fleshing out the school and their beliefs. The movie made Professor Dovey appear so... mean? I could just not remember the book very well but I thought she was meant to be Agatha's fairy godmother or something along those lines.
exactly! They covered up the gap August Sader left fairly well, but he was kind of important and it seemed weird to me that they chose to get rid of him. Also if there’s no Sader and Lesso’ s got some of herplot points, what are they doing about Evelyn in the second one? I don’t think they can stick as closely to AWWP like they did with the first one if they make a sequel
For a 2 hour movie, you think they'd incorporate more book accurate points and character development 1. We don't know what the school masters face, let alone theyre names for awhile. We also don't know who killed who -- there was no fake out. 2. Lesso and Dovey are friends, and old ones at that --> so they also literally look like beautiful older women 3. Dovey is less spastic and more protective 4. Agatha's wish causes all the animals to come running. To the point that memories had to be wiped 5. Anadil, as far as I remember, is described as like ghost ghost white. I appreciate the representation here a lot, but characters are repeatedly made darker when they are described as pale. 6. Agatha and Sophie do a lot more sneaking around and homework trading that allows Agatha to learn useful spells from the Evil school that she doesn't learn in Good. 7. Agatha is friends with Hester, Anadil, and Dot 8. The villagers didn't threaten Agatha constantly, though they were mean 9. Sophie hated her family a lot more than shown, and was pissed at her father 10. Im pretty sure there was history teacher that traveled between the good and evil schools, which was big because he showed both girls important history 11. Sophie was very resourceful for her fashion and make up, and was even called witchy for making her face serums and perfumes. It showed that she was in fact capable, and that she was not just a dizzy blonde 13. Hester hated Sophie for a lot longer than shown, and many students were audibly disgusted by her fashions before being drawn in. 14. Sophie's hair was cut by a specific wolf (?) In the Doom room, not Lesso. This is important because Sophie KILLS HIM, which results in the doom room being closed from then on, and some secret paths being unguarded 15. The bridge between the schools is disconnected. To get across, Agatha has to act evil to this mirror-guardian, further showing that the line between good and evil is arbitrary 16. NOBODY SEES THE STORIAN OR GOES UP TO THE TOWER. Getting in was a huge deal, not just a walk up the stairs 17. Rafael never shows himself to any1, as far as I remember, in flashes or mirrors 18. Blood magic was not a thing 19. The blue forest WAS LITERALLY blue. 20. Evil wasn't just against happily ever afters. They had Never after, where they ruled and caused there enemies as much pain as they wanted forever. It was evil heaven, not just no happy good people. 21. Anadil's rats are never shown 22. Hort was scrawny and short 23. Uglification was more intense. Kids had blisters, warts, ooze, dirt, yadda yadda. It wasn't just dark make up 24. As the video said, the trial by tale was a known thing planned for everyone, not just tedros and Sophie 25. Tedros is blonde!!! Thats why Sophie says they go together visually 26. Agatha goes into that library multiple times and sees stories of past, including kids from Gavaldon 27. Im pretty sure Agatha never has roomates. They didn't leave and comeback, they just left. Pretty sure there's more, but its been a bit since I read the first book so :P Good book, fine movie, bad adaptation. I still hope the series is continued tho
I do wish that August Sader was there😭 i miss him. But overall i think the movie is great! At the same time tho, i wish the pen wasn't a feather like pen... Since it was really sharp in the book... well there's a lot of things i wish was like in the book haha!! Ahh but really happy that the movie finally happened after years of waiting⭐
I liked the movie more for its picture and actors than the plot itself. I’ve read the first book and the part of the second one, and I’m offended that Netflix ONE MORE TIME uses some Blood Magic in its product, where it IS NOT NEEDED!!! Like they’ve used it in the Winx Saga, and I can’t remember now, but I’m convinced that they used it somewhere else. It’s like since Avatar: The Last Aibender got that idea and performed it perfectly in the animated series everybody want some blood magic in their product. WHY?! In this movie it CORRUPTS EVERY SINGLY PLOT LINE WITH SOPHIE! Like, they’ve made Sophie WAY more nice than she ever has been in the book, since the very start, and it was really easy to correct with just some nasty comments to her step-mother or her step-brothers. Second, Agatha was my favorite character in the book, because she was the only sane one there, the only Ever with actual brains. She was no-princess material, she refused to look like them, even though they’ve made her wear gowns and pink uniform. In the movie she is just like Sophie in the beginning, everybody just calls her a witch, but she doesn’t look or behave like she could be one, like it was in the book. Even her house and the graveyard are really pretty. So minus for Agatha’s lost character. Three, Tedros. He is too sickening sweet and playboy here. In the book he was more violent and aggressive towards both Agatha first and Sophie second. I hate him in the film, because his sweetness makes him no prince, but a cocky playboy, nothing more. And finally, the worst of all, Sophie’s choice with Rafal in the end. Well, actually, all of Sophie’s line with Rafal. They ruined Sophie’s character. In the book Sophie was independent - nobody manipulated her. Everything was her own choice. Rafal only made sure no one interrupted her (no one means the teachers). He was only watching her, and she was doing everything her own way with no one commanding her or guiding her. In the movie every choice Sophie makes is manipulated by Rafal, which takes off Sophie her truly terrifying identity and soul and her independence as a character. Also if I’m not mistaken, after Rafal and Sophie kiss, they both start to rot, because that’s their Never After or something, and Sophie rejects him, because SHE rots as well and looks not as pretty anymore, NOT because he’s done terrifying things. That was the whole definition of Sophie. So, yeah, movie is pretty, it has some great plot-scenes that are done perfectly for the upcoming events (Gregor and his death in front of Agatha b6 Tedros), but in the whole the initial idea has leaked out in pretty big amounts.
Agreed, but I don't know that I'd blame Netflix. This was originally a Universal Pictures movie before Netflix bought it, and the author was heavily involved with the script.
@@TheNerdDoc Oh, really?!😳 Sorry, I thought it was wholly Netflix work from the start😅. Thank you for correcting me on that point❤️) But though the author was involved (I deeply respect him for giving us such a book as The School for Good and Evil, really), but it is really weird that so many “so Netflix” moves are in the film that ruin it on so many levels and the author agreed. Maybe it was a part of his contract with Netflix, sadly😔
@@redhead0122 I would say they’ve made a decent attempt, it just didn’t turn out perfectly, like, for example, Harry Potter movie has in its time and place. They’ve added something that could be easily cut out (Rafal visiting Sophie and Agatha and blood magic, I hate it here) and forgot what actually was important and really quick in time periods, for instance, some nasty comments (Sophie insulting in her head or in murmur her step-mother or other people and Agatha being rude and without etiquette BEFORE having a makeover) or disgusting deeds (Agatha at least burping or something that princesses can evaluate her for as evil or not up to their standards, not just the looks).
Honestly my biggest disappointment was Lesso It felt like they mixed up Lesso with Evelyn Sader and also added some Callis backstory. Which destroyed her motivation and turned her into either dumb person or a hipocrite
Even second could be hard to make because they resolved lady Lesso/Evelyn Sader and the whole love for the principal thing. It would be weird if they add Evelyn now and give her the same story
I wish for one big change in this industry: If they make a book into a movie they should differentiate it by naming it an adaption of the book/ inspired by the book or a retelling. I'm quite sure a reader will not be bored by the true book. I love reading and my fiancé loves movies, the only way I can show him my stories is through showing him the movie or tv-series... if they change so much, I will never be able to show him what makes my book/ these stories so special to me. In short words: Turning a book into a movie is just creating a chance for movie fans to get into the books story. Why changing the plot?! If the movie makers where just inspired by the books themes, then they should make this Cristal clear.
If a silly movie can make me a tad bit emotional then it's won me over. This may not be perfect but it would suffice. This is the reason why I love fairytales. In real life ppl will never get along but in dreamland they not only get along but they eventually find their happily ever after. My fave was Gregor he knew his place in the world and accepted it. If only more ppl were accepting of him.
I never read the books and I honestly had no idea what was happening at some points. I wish it had been a miniseries or something instead of a movie, alot of parts felt so rushed! Loved Sofia Wylie though, she ate everyone up!
@@AlexandraMarsella i only read the first book but like what did you find confusing like just what??? Also can you tell me what happens in the second book
@@TheOnlyRick3 i didn't get confused, the first comment did. that was who i was referring to. The second book, they are back home and agatha wishes for tedros and misses him, and doesn't enjoy it. the village is getting attacked because they want sophie. so the elders want to kill her... they escape back to the school of good and evil except now it is the school for boys and girls.
Hollywood gonna Hollywood. The author said they wanted something that would surprise fans of the book, but I feel as though you can do that and still give us a better adaptation. Add to what's there instead of changing.
This should be called "The School for Disney stereotypes that have barely anything to do with actual fairy tales and claiming to be innovative although it's just a tiresome cliché of the modern era".
@@adrimiq I mean that’s an opinion as you can see a lot us adore the series. It’s not for everyone but that doesn’t mean it’s factually “bad” it’s just your thoughts :)
what happened to the hypocritical, calculating and evil blonde who uses the social outcast girl to appear good to achieve her ambitions? which children would go to study at a school where those who fail no longer return. Why did they take the discovery of that mystery from Agatha? because all the time sophie seemed good and a victim, when she is not! the kiss that is the key that marks independence and empowerment, faded? the moments that marked the essence of the girls in the book are not there! the only one favored was tedros since in. book is not very smart! for me it was a bad decision to synthesize it so much that it became incoherent! if that's the #1 what will happen with the sequel where there is a kiss but this time between two boys! the truth who has read the book or the saga. this does not reflect what the book does. It looks like an incomplete Disney movie
im hoping someone else makes another adaptation. as a fan and reader of the series i know the potential that this series has :( this movie felt like a fast forwarded spin off smh
you do realize this is a movie and not a series right? this is how the real world works, there is a lot to little of companies or movies or whatever where they make this popular movie with famous or well known people so people watch it to see them and especially with a good book and how they all wanted to make things different, you can't expect it to be the same or not slow, movies can't always be that long to get every part of something good. I don't mean to sound rude but you have to think of these things- Because sure there are things like paramount who are willing to delay a whole movie for a better design and such but that's not everyone or everything. While I agree it's sad, the movies are NEVER exactly like the book and knowing how it was WANTED to be different makes me have a more positive fresh perspective, is it again annoying or sad or whatever? a bit, but is it something to see more credit for? I think so for this too! In the end let's agree that instead of a movie, it should have been a series.
@@Spirit_Imagination agree that you just don't have the time in a movie but there are great adaptations out there that dealt with that problem. For me it was also such a disappointment because the trailer looked really damn accurate and so to see that the rest of the movie wasn't was just not what was expected. In my case at least. I actually read the book again before the movie - in hindsight that was a mistake. I think I would have enjoyed it better if the book wasn't so fresh on my mind. I must say as someone who writes as a hobby I also felt pretty bad for the author - but now knowing how heavyily he was involved and wanted it to be a bit different made me less frustrated.
I have to say that, at the beginning of the book, i had the feeling that Agatha was bad and Sofie was good, but at the beginning of the movue i instantly had a different feeling
I really liked the movie, its been a while since I last read the books (even more so with the first book) and it was very fun to remember, rediscover, and get exited to see the world and people who inhabit it. Even so, there were tons of things I missed, such as the town’s children disappearing every couple of years and everyone in town preparing for the ocasión, the detailed classes, Agatha having to trick her mirror self in the bridge in order to cross. It wasn’t a word for word adaption, but it was still very fun to watch!
Tbh my only wish for the film to keep consistent was the deeply explored morals in the book-how Agatha needs to gain her confidence and explore her love for the punished students by pure empathy and not "fear of being a talking mouth forever", that Sophie was so desperate for love and escape that she was so evil to get it at any cost but when she met those wishes, they felt cold and nothing, which ultimately changed her personality in the end because at least Good has real love to fight for, the judgement based on the looks and how superficiality is Sophie's trait, the toxic masculinity in Tedros... And that ending was honestly really pathetic. They can rewrite the lore between the girls, ffs. Agatha can perform better than that.
Interesting... I did not read the books but while watching I kept wondering if exactly these might have been character traits and arc might have been in the book version. Because those would make the characters made so much more sense instead of the the shallow figures I saw in the movies.
@@mayam.3240 in the first book you gain a lot of insight in how Agatha and Sophie think, how they justify there actions and what there inner struggles are. It was really great.the storyteller (not the pen) was someone narratively really close, almost making it seem like the book is told from different POV in diffrent parts of the story. But I wouldn't even know how you would start to convey this in a movie
@@redhead0122 it'll take a LOT of show-not-tell techniques for the screenwriter... Given that the "About the author" says Soman was already studying screenplay writing before the book, and the fact the the transitions within scene changes in the book were seamless and can be done in film, it should have been possible. What happened in the film was as if someone hurriedly glazed over the book and had to summarize it all in one night...
@@nelsvletav9818 You think they would do book 4 next? I haven't read all of the books in the series, but why would the next movie be book 4 instead of book 2?
@@nelsvletav9818 woah, hold a second, jump to book 4? book 2 you can skip it i don't care, but book 3 its quite good, and i think they should make mini series for book 4,there's a lot of going on there, but book 5 and 6 can mashed up together into 1 film
@@tibbsdailyday2611 exactly you can’t skip book 2 and 3 is so very important plus at the end of the school for good and evil film we have right now, it showed rafal’s dagger right after tedros’s arrow flew through the barrier which means rafal is very much alive
Loved this movie sooooo much!!! I never was surprised by some drifts in movie I got shocked about Lady Lesso when she said "My love". I wish in sequel( if there will be one, of course. Actually I am dying, I want a sequal) they would make her not more like film's villain but more a supporting character.
The movie feels both too long at too short at the same time. It should clearly have have been made as a series. Also I'm not sure if the writing just feels pretty bad because its been cut so much... or because the writers did not a very good job. While I clearly see a promising concept, many characters feel so superficial they don't even act like actual humans. This kinda prevents this kind of immersion like seen for example in Harry Potter movies. It's almost impossible to symphatise with any of the characters because they all feel somehow off... I did not read or even know about the books until I saw the movie, so i can just speak from the impressions i've gotten from the latter. Maybe the books are giving the characters the neccessary depth they lack so much...
I was really looking forward to this movie. It's one of my favorites. the trailer looked so damn accurate and detailed that when I watched the movie I was actually disappointedand felt a bit cheated I must say. A lot of Sophies Character got lost I think. In the movie it seems like she isn't all that bad just under Rafael's evil influence. Everything felt a bit rushed and a bit like all the answers fell directly into their lap. it felt really nonchalant It's not an super awful adaptation. but also not a good one. I guess as the trailer was so damn close to the book I was just expecting an approach like with the Harry Potter books. They are not that shorter than the Good and evil book. And none of the fun school things nor the mystery or difficulties faced got lost in the Harry Potter adaptations. Structure wise the first book of both series remind me of each other so that also was why I kinda expected a similar adaptation style. still I think the movie is enjoyable. Just as someone with certain expectations it's hard to not get disappointed. especially waiting for the release with such excitement.
Yeah Sophie so awful in the book and I was confuse why she was in the school for evil. She not that evil in the movie but just reading the first few pages of the book, you are like damn girl you are an asshole lol
@@bobbysmith8095 yeah she is definitely evil - I mean in the book she literally murders someone because they cut off her hair. I mean she is not blatantly cruel but more of a Mother Gothel kind of evil.
Some of them can still be brought in for the sequel. Just because we didn't see them doesn't mean they weren't there off screen. Whether they actually do that, we'll have to see, but it can be done
I didn´t like it. I think it didn´t say a proper message because it tried to sell just with words. The main trio wasn´t well made either: Agatha doesn´t have depth, we know more about Rafal than about Tedros and Sophie (the only character that has some development) doesn´t have self power like in the book, but it´s just a victim, a chosen one from a powerful man and we don´t even understand why he picks her, because she never does something truly evil to begin with. Dislike it.
@@Anne_one They did? To me most of the stuff looked like worse the cw-shows.... which kept me wondering a couple of times how big this movies budget was...😅 I mean I'm fine with that... I barely care about action scenes. For me it mostly it was this stupid rushed writing which kept breaking the immersion all the time 🙄
I liked the movie, and the actors fit perfectly for me. Especially Sophie when she embraced her evil side and had that bomb ass outfit. My biggest grip surprisingly, was that they didn’t include the badges. The ones that indicated what school you were in and were pinned to your skin.
In the movie, Sophie is barely portrayed as evil! They don't don't have her good deeds or the fact the she's a literal murderer or that she tells Agatha to "GET YOUR OWN LIFE". They also don't have any of the classes that show how Agatha and Tedros we're meant to be together
i'm just sad there was no professor sader or circus of talents and how agatha was never really made different to everyone else or overcame her insecurities e.g character growth with her fear of mirrors
Idk, when I saw the movie I felt like I was watching the Disney version. I mean everyone was gorgoes and the costumes were cool. Hester, Dot and Anadil were perfect. But the books were a lot more Grimm. Which is one thing I really liked. I mean the first page was an insane hook. I re-read the books before seeing the movie. The whole book series is cinematic. I mean it builds on suspense, lessons and has interesting questions and ideas for story telling. A lot more show instead of tell kind of fairytale. We saw how much Sophie and Agatha cared for each other, we saw how different they were, we saw the changes and natures of the two come out. Here... I was told everything and it felt like a modern outline of the movie. I had kinda hoped since the author was working on it as well it'd be a lot more evolved or have amazingly developed characters. I'm not a fan of the film. Merely because it felt like an outline of a great emotional, heart-wrenching and inquisitive book. There was a lot to learn and question between those pages. Not so much in the film.
I loved the source material and I loved the movie! Great sets, costumes, wonderful acting. I genuinely enjoyed every minute of this movie. Looking forward to a sequel!
I really didnt like it. they changed Sophie's character a lot, and same with Agatha. it also just felt so rushed even though it was quite long, idk how to explain it but everything felt weird and off
My biggest issue: the movie not putting the misunderstanding of the twin brothers and who was evil/good. That was apparent to me in the books but was still a great twist that would have helped the girls realize their own situation.
Hi, never knew about the books. I love the movie, great actors and beautiful locations. The music is wonderful and your explanation flawless!!!! Congratulations and have a great year. Greetings from Buenos Aires, Argentine ❤❤
I love SGE. It's been my favorite book series since I first read the first book when I was twelve. I've read a lot since then and only remembered the main plot points and some small details. I knew that the movie was different than the book, but not _that_ different. I'm currently halfway through rereading the first book right now, and I'm noticing key differences between the book and the movie. I'm probably going to make a whole list of all the differences eventually (excluding looks).
I haven't read the books, but I felt like the movie lacked a clear vision on where it wanted to go. Was it a story about a girl discovering herself? A girl that has to resist temptation? Two girls trying to get home? Two girls become strong magic weilders? About good and evil having lost their roots? About an evil guy trying to take over the world? It seems to be trying all at once but that's kind of why I feel like it failed. To me the most interesting would've been to have Agatha open the others eyes on how the school for good has nothing to do with being good, it just raises pretty people with arrogance and shallow characters. But that was only slightly hinted at. The discovery of such could've hinted at Rafal pulling strings at the background to set up another movie. And sth that really dissatisfied me was the lack of growth for Agatha. At the end she is just the same as in the beginning. I was waiting for her to accept her role in the school a little bit more.
7:28 =YES!!! MY 2ND FAVE!!! THE WORLD WITHOUT PRINCES... I really love the line that lead up to the sequel, "Who needs princes in our fairytale?" I wish they said that line as THAT was the most EPIC line in the series... The one that made question romance tropes of having to need men around...
Instead of a movie, they should've make this as a series instead. The point of not remaking everything from the book to an adaptation kinda ruin the plot and feels stretched out, for my opinion. The fact they removed the key points for showing the distinctions between Sophie and Agatha during their classes, the scene where Agatha passes through the other school by outwitting the guardian of the schools, the invitation of princes to their chosen princesses, the disappearance of Professor Sader, the top 10 students per school for the Trial, the Talent Show itself where they showed Agatha's goodness and showcasing the goodness and evilness of everyone (that no one is pure white or black), the scene where Sophie killed the punisher in Doom Room, when Agatha is deliberately avoiding every single mirrors because she can't see why she's an Ever then Professor Dovey told her she should see herself as she sees her... definitely should've made this as a series. There's a lot, and I mean A LOT, of potential to showcase Agatha and Sophie. I'm an avid reader of SGE since high school and it kinda feels wrong in the movie adaptation. Especially Agatha's character, sorry but my goth sarcastic fighter girl is missing.
My biggest gripe with the movie is that IT DOES NOT HAVE AN ORIGINAL SCORE! We get brutal by olivia rodrigo played for the nth time and a cinematic version of toxic. The billie eilish part, you could just leave that to the fan edits. These pop songs felt so out of place and I hate it so much!!!!!😭😭
My biggest question is how they would write the beginning of book 2 and book 3. Since in book 2, Sophie and Agatha kinda became celebrities since they came back from the school for good and the school for evil. And in book 3, Agatha and Tedros nearly get burned alive. How would they react to someone in the fairytale world coming over to the real world? Will Tedross even order attacks at Gavaldon at book 2 and will they try and kill Tedross and Agatha for it?
I never read the books as I didn’t even know they existed. I really liked the movie though. I do wish it was a series though, I think it would have had more depth. I like that the movie subtly made me question things just like how Agatha was. That was my aspect of it.
I read the spoilers from some of the readers here and omg... yes, it is understandable why you guys are so upset. Tbh, even as someone who haven't read the book, I can kinda see the shallowness of some parts of the movie (which I think was expanded nicely in the book). For example: I feel like Tedros and Agatha's relationship could have the potential for something more. Specifically, at the start, you can see Tedros was really shallow -- just black and white kind of guy, with the "criteria" for his judgment of what's good/bad also even shallow. And yet, through his interactions with Agatha, that kinda changed. BUT IT WAS NOT DELVED FURTHER. Like only if you were particularly looking, and took notice of it, but the most part it didn't stand out. And instead, throughout the movie, Tedros just kinda behaved like the typical jock -- switching between Miss Good Pretty and Miss Evil Pretty. Before the Trial by Tale. In which I guess everything changed, 'cause he started focusing on Agatha after that (instead of being the indecisive guy he previously was). The Trial by Tale being the turning point of their relationship (or at least for Tedros' side) was kinda shallow for me (Agatha's "oh my god" at the ball scene with Tedros' confession... truly felt that lol). Personally, I would've preferred if the turning point was the scene where Agatha screamed at him why she wanted to save Sophie so much because she was family -- 'cause in a sense that part strongly showed Agatha's inner goodness being able to see the goodness in others. Or when Agatha punched him -- this could've been Tedros' chance to significantly show changes, but didn't. I think the idea was there, it's just... it's just not delved further. And I felt kinda sad about it. When I heard it was from enemies to friends in the book, I actually would've liked it more 'cause at least it had a much more solid development. Not like this... On the upside though, the friendship route, and the idea of what's really good, or evil (or... I guess the grayness in people) was conveyed properly. Although not completely expanded on 'cause it was just a 2hr movie, you can still see the development between our 2 leads: Agatha getting over her own insecurity, and Sophie embracing her evilness (but still in the end doing something good). The fact that the criteria of being good/bad being shallow. Or the idea that you really shouldn't judge a book by its cover. I think those were good ideas/morals that were properly conveyed by the story. And from the title alone, "the School of Good and Evil", I think that was kinda the main point. And, for me, they nailed it, which was nice. So, overall, I still enjoyed it. But I do hope more side (?) character development gets explored later on -- another example, I felt like Lady Lesso could've been something more. Her character was interesting. But her being the evil brother's lover felt kinda forced, and fell rather flat. I would've also wanted to see more of the evil trio friends of Sophie, 'cause I felt like they were fun and interesting. And Hort! Omg, Hort! I really felt like Hort could become an underrated Male Lead. He's just lovable because he's such a dork for some reason. And please, I really also hoped the Tedros and Agatha love story would've been expanded even more later. 'cause in the movie 1, it just wasn't it. I felt like it would've been better if they just completely ignored the romance and focused solely on friendship, and that would've been better (or wouldn't make much of a difference).
Some ppl were denied fairytales when they were young and some actually believed it to be true and ended up growing old and bitter. Maybe fairytales aren't your thing. Maybe your more into Harry Potter or Star Wars or maybe even Game of Thrones! But whatever it may be the point is that sometimes it's just nice to escape and imagine a better or even weirder world.
This an example of a movie based on a book that really needs to be a series. Because yes I loved the movie and I didn’t know about the book until after watching/during it. And sincerely I thought they were skipping like stuff? Idk how to explain it but mid way the movie my sis told me it was based on book so I was like oh that’s why it feels strangely paced, like it was weird because the pacing isn’t bad but it felt like it was missing something? Now I know about the book and the differences I understand why I was feeling like that as they skipped important parts or changed things! Overall I loved the movie and will read the book but I really hope if they do a sequel, it’ll be a series!
When you said that every four years, new students would be picked up and sent to the school. But I think in the movie it’s the same. In the movie we see new students being dropped at the evil school and in the sky we see more of those birds dropping off more students. It just focused on Rufal choosing readers that have evil in them to help him with his plan to rule evil and keep all of the magic for himself.
From a worldwide perspective you're correct, but from the perspective of Gavaldon this was a change. The movie told us that only one child was ever taken from Gavaldon, to the point where Agatha and Sophie had never even heard of the school before. In the books, even in Gavaldon it was a thing that happened every four years. Everyone in town knew about it and was afraid of being taken. It was a pretty big deal in the books.
I feel like a lot of comments are ignoring the fact the you guys state the movie isn't supposed to be a direct adaptation to the book. Like I get it but chill. I loved the movie, and am about to start the book series well prepared that they won't be exactly the same. I loved Gregor Weasely-Charming, Gregor Protection Squad. He was plenty charming. Sophie was hinted at being evil lite before they left home, but in a innocent/ignorant way. It's very subtle and it's very clear it's not something she's aware of. Agatha Is insecure about her appearance, dumb boy #1 taunting them, her refusal to let Sophie help her style and care for herself, her avoidance of the mirror. She doesn't think she's pretty, she doesn't think she's capable of smiling. It's not something she thinks about doing when she's happy or with someone she cares for like Sophie. If anyone ever pointed it out in those moments, she's the type that would stop smiling. Love me some Lesso but that blatant grooming scene was gross, no thank you. Lesso/Dovey sails here Something that irked me was Agatha wished for All the trapped students to be freed, at the very least all the wish fish students. We see the first. The last, Gregor shows up but is killed before we know what would have happened. The kiss on the lips was unnecessary but clearly not intended to be romantic in that situation. All the kids have been referencing something with a forehead for tlk but mine was once upon a time. It got the job done I guess. The thing about Sophie's hair is stupid. The whole point is that it's princess colored. Certainly Lesso cutting it was a breaking point for Sophie because it's length is a point of pride for her, visual representation of her ideal princess status but... she's still blonde. Her hair is still princess colored no matter if it's a shoulder cut. Lesso made the wrong point but the effect was the same. Also, the Rafal/Rhian growing up into Laurence Fishburn? 10/10 😂 I'm sure as many others did in the opening, I joked: See, Rafal... he ra-fell 🥺
another thing also SPOILER**** the whole plot of them being sisters can now not happen due to the casting, which I mean is kind of useless I guess but yeah
I think the only thing I liked they added was Gregor and his death. I feel like he really did push Agatha's storyline and I really wish they did more for him after he died :( Agatha hardly talked about him once tedros killed him
Which scene are you referring to? Unless I'm thinking of a different scene, they never actually show her losing it in the movie. She's weak and has trouble conjuring it after her injury, but she still has access to it. In the books she retains most of her abilities, and there's currently no indication the movie is changing that.
Hmm... at times it would glow yellow, then red, or even red with a yellowish hue. I guess we'll have to see what Netflix does with a potential sequel. She definitely still has the ability to use magic (even back in the real world), it's just a matter of if it's blood magic or not. Good catch!
I haven’t read the books and would love to know from those who have read it if the theme issues are there as well. The movie suffers from having two main themes that clash with each other. The first being that there is no absolute good or evil, but grey areas in between, the second being how the evil headmaster has been influencing fairy tails to erode good. The second one completely takes away from the first one, because anyone could argue that it’s not that there isn’t absolute good or evil, it’s that it’s been eroded. I’d like to know if this is in the books at all, or how it’s addressed.
The books have far more depth with the good vs evil stuff. Half the characters are missing from this movie, and the deceased brother had a lot more to do in the books that helped balance that as well
I've heard about the books, but haven't read them. So the Netflix show was good since I had zero expectation. Your explanation helped made thing clearer since I was kinda confused by the ending. Eventually, I'll read the series. The only thing that bothered me was Gregor's death in the show. I wanted more explanation about that and why nobody seemed too bothered by his disappearance.
BOOK SPOILERS After the main story started to seem repetitive to me, what drew me back in was the hidden history between Sophie and Agatha's moms from the third novel. Since it's doubtful the movies would follow the set "actually twins all along" route, I'm interested what new and retooled origins for Sophie and Agatha could be.
I really enjoyed the books...thats why I'm so disappointed on how this movie turned out..In my opinion it is not a good adaptation of the first book. I know that the story can't be exactly the same as the books, but some ot the changes make it less appealing. This is not a good start if the idea was to generate enough interest from the audience to continue filming potential successful sequels based on the other books. If I was not familiar with the books I wouldn't even want to follow the rest of the story or any of the characters.
I feel like they took events that spanned out over a year and condensed them into two weeks. Not the best writing but kinda understandable considering it had to be condensed in the 2 hours.
So..... Funny story, (idk if it even is a funny story but whatever) Some time during August I found out about the Movie and also found out it was a book. I thought it was only ONE book and Not a series. So I searched My local stores. Then I found Rise of the school for good and Evil and assumed that was the book that I was looking for. Than I looked it up and discovered it was a prequel..... I don't think I've ever felt so stupid than in that moment 😅 But I still read it. During the movie I remembered a couple things. I remembered about the pond and fish, Evers ball and things like that. HOWEVER the thing that bugged me most was in the beginning of the movie they show Rhian and Rafal right. So in the book Rafal has white spikey hair and pale skin. While Rhian was broad, tan skin and had messy curls. So you can guess how Confused I was when I saw them for the first time in the movie
6:29 =I never got the part it's her major power... All this time I thought it was her deliberate choice to have that power and be good at it😂😂😂... After all, she is the only one said to have listened when all the rest who can hear chose to ignore...
Ok here is my list of missing characters they should have left in or changed the personalities so much ther just not the same people First professor sader Her is a father figure to Agatha and an important charecter to the the original plot Next Is princess uma She is the animal communication teacher at the school for good and plays a role in helping Agatha realise her talent Anadil Ok so she isn’t really anadil in the movie she just is a random person who stands next to Hester and giggles unclimacticy at random points and grins giddily (what did they do to you anadil) Chaddick Ok so he doesn’t have a major role in th first book but not including him seems a bit stupid considering they are thinking about a sequel Dot She is someone who doesn’t look like a student she is a literal adult same with Hort (and spoiler warning ) if Sophie gets together with Hort at the end that makes it gross Ok also why did they do this book I think it would have been better as a series because you could have time to reflect on different episodes and highlights Agatha and Sophie’s experiences Also why did they make the schools so big but have like 20 people in each school like come on Netflix If there are any characters I missed out please tell me
Yea i dont get why all of that talk about balance when good is always wining… The movie wasnt bad, i think it was actually quite good really, BUT there were sooo many inconsistensies. Charatacter changed their mind one one scene and then imidietly changed back the next. And the whole good vs evil was quite underwhelming. There was a lot of potential how to use that idea but it ended up quite “boring” and unoriginal. But hey it looked amazing and for its genre its definitely between the better ones.
In the book it was explained that the balance wasn’t 1:1, it was like if one side went on a streak, the other would rise up. The nevers got antsy as the ever streak had gone on for centuries
They shld really have split this movies into multiple parts/movie...too much things skip and too much different plot at once. Side note: guess ur ignoring she hulk when u mention following source material.
i m the only one but i like the movie more than the book because of the third act of the movie was for me more good than the book version. and i prefers movie sophie over the book one.
@@TheNerdDoc in the book, sophie was so much insuffarable. She was more like a shallow girl deluding herself as a good person, unlike the movie one who is more relatable, she wanted something more in her life than being a mundaine village girl. During my reading of her story, i continued to hope she would change to the better as agatha in the book or be self conscious of her true self ( aka accepting she had selfish desire and no regard for anyone). Her movie version had a real bond with agatha so i understand why she would want to save her. Usually,I also like reading story about villains in the making and how they turn evil and i dont know how to eplain it but sophie descent into villainy was not that good just a whiny girl who could stand being the queen be.
