When you put aside that Dewey lied about being a substitute teacher, he really did bring out the best in these kids. You also had the kid who didn't feel like he was cool enough to be in a band. He really brought out their self confidence.
Shallow Hal is not a good movie. But Jack Black's acting when he sees the real Cadence with her wounds is so good, so genuine. Acting alongside kids just seems to bring out the best in him.
@@acidobarbiturico439 Jack Black's charisma makes him attractive, who would you rather know?? Some twat from a reality show with the personality of a piece of wood because he has abs or Jack Black? Real beauty is based on personality and talent.
I know it's a small detail and may not have even been intentional but I really appreciate how instead of talking about some white guy rock star who happens to be bigger, he mentions Aretha Franklin, a black lady, to relate it even better to Tamika. It really sells this for me.
I think it was completely intentional that the caracter chose this example, because he already knows Tamika to be an Aretha fan, since she sang one of her songs to Mr S to show him she could sing. Which proves how good of a teacher he actually is, using her own references as a tool to reach her
Mr. S does so much more for these kids that books could never teach them....here, he helps Tamika overcome her stage fright and low self esteem based on her weight,...in other scenes he does the same with Lawrence, who thinks he is "not cool", and Zack, whose father has a stranglehold on his future, even keeps the band's rebellious drummer, Freddie, on the straight and narrow when he finds him hanging out with the wrong crowd.... Yet he does not just push individualism on them, but teaches them to work together, or as "Have A Cigar" would say, "to all come together as a team"
Although “have a cigar” is probably a bad example to use, in that context it’s a shady record producer bullshitting to gain the trust of the naive band members
wow i’ve seen the movie a thousand times but never really put together that he has so many one-on-ones with the kids. these moments are what make his time with the class at large even more meaningful
A lot of times someone says something along the lines of "I'm fat and ugly" people will respond "No, you're not fat!" but not deny that they're ugly meaning they do think that fat = ugly instead of saying "No you're not ugly" meaning they acknowledge the other person is fat but is still beautiful
or even just when a person says “i’m fat” without the ugly part. people will say “you’re not fat!” because they all associate being fat with something bad. i think that’s what is so great abt this scene. at no point does he deny that she’s chubby. he just says it doesn’t matter-you can be fat and cool at the same time. genuinely mind blowing to have such a great message back in 2003
I like that huff he takes before he makes his case, lots you can read into that. He could either be trying to push down his frustration at just society in general for how they treat overweight people, he could be a little frustrated that he has to be the one telling her something that other adults should’ve made obvious, he could be getting ready to dig deep for something he wished someone told him.
Amazing writing. Dewey doesn't condescend, or try to say she isn't fat, which is what a lesser writer would do with this scene. Instead, he turns it into a positive.
I love this clip. It teaches that even if you aren't the 10 in everyone's Department that you can still be awesome and get people like you just by being awesome.
Everytime I watch this movie and this scene comes on, it feels like he's speaking to me. I've been bullied for my weight majority of my school life. Now I'm out of school, and able to have a better relationship with my body. Now when I watch this, I feel like his words make so much more sense now even. You can be big AND beautiful. Even if your health is at risk, why does that mean your worth and beauty is suddenly gone?
I absolutely adore this movie man, it has everything. Great story, great comedy, great music, and a great message which is "love yourself". Not to mention the story of how they got Led Zeppelin, who are notorious for being very particular with where and how their music is used, to allow them to use Immigrant Song is fantastic.
If you want sort of a dark spin on this, in Mr. S' first scene he asks for food and Tomika is the only one with some left after lunch. She was hoarding her food instead of eating it, either to starve herself or she was just self conscious about eating in front of others.
Being a fat kid who grew up watching Several Jack Black movies, he's a bit of body positivity icon. He's not afraid to admit he's big and that's fine. Granted as of now I'm probably a little too fat, like to eat a little too much.
i've always had this problem where i wonder why i can't be attractive AND chubby. because the message is never that the two traits can coexist. the message is always that either you're not actually fat or that you're pretty *despite* your fat, or even that you'll be pretty once you're no longer fat. i am, by way of genes combined with a chemical imbalance, naturally inclined to be chubby. it's normal-healthier, even, than if i was skinny. i used to be really tiny and frail and sick all the time, so it was actually sort of a miracle when i started gaining weight, and now i'm thriving. i just want to be happy like this, and i always turn to this scene for that affirmation.
This is amazing.. and so true. Jack Black is super sexy and he isn't a very fit guy!! He's funny, talented and a nice person. You are more than what you look like.
Self acceptance is great, but self improvement is even better. You don't have to hate yourself for being fat, but you don't have to settle for it either. If you don't like it, you have the power to change it!
Movies will have their whole damn plots be 100% about a bigger person, yet completely fumble the message. Meanwhile this 2003 movie about kids singing shot them all in the water in under a minute
this scene makes me tear up on certain days. I’ve had a weight problem for the majority of my life and just imagining a real teacher out there that’d give an insecure child such an inspiring pep talk is absolutely heart warming.
He named her Turkey Sub because Tomika had a Turkey Sub inside her desk, this was when Jack Black was hungry during his first day at school and Tomika let Jack take the Turkey Sub. She is not Turkey Sub because of her size.
