Science vs Astrology - 1: As Above, So Below 

You'll never meet a person who has studied astrology and doesn't see it's validity. The people who dismiss it, haven't even looked into it.

The bias of some wikipedia articles never fails to dissapoint me

The fatal error in thinking occurs when scientists regard themselves as existing outside, or apart from nature.

Vic's (Vraj ji) service for Astrology is going to propel astrological sciences to its greatest heights yet. Vic is a legend, who will be understood in full centuries - decades after

Thank you for calling this shit out..

I think of it as confirmation of WHAT is, not WHY it is. Happy to find your channel today.

So ill just pick on one point. The causal model is proven by its accurate ability to predict the future. The indicative model is statistically repetadly disproven as an accurate predictive model in any way.

This is so exciting! Grazie Mille Vic, you a fckin Legend. Keep spreading the truth. Cheers lad

Very important video and thank you.❤

Love this! Thank you!

Great video as always Vic, can't wait for the next! 🤗

Great Insights!

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Excellent!

Thank you

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Sir Isaac Newton invents calculas….. to understand topics like precession, right? The change in distance / the change in time.

The hands on a clock don't cause the time, they indicate it.

Hahaha! Beautiful, Well spoken!

The best bit of the video is the difference between Causal & Indicative

I had a series of dreams that led me to a particular place at a particular time where I met someone I had known about and admired for decades. Months later I looked at an asteroid chart for that evening and we both had asteroids with our names on them at 22 Leo and I was born on 22 August. Thats As As Above So Below enough for me.

Thank you so much for the great video, one of the problems of your argument is that we can not calculate the next actions of a smoke that has indicative relation with fire, but the sky actions and movements are perfectly modeled, so the cause and effect relation became fluctuated

One of the best points i picked up was that celestial affairs will only bring a causality if the human will act on it. Indicative is a sort of indirect version of causality. Ie, if someone thinks on the summer solstice, what shall I do today? They may end up hanging out and enjoying the sun (Cancer). If they do so in the winter solstice, they may endeavor to stay busy, to see family, to keep the wheel of inner security and survival turning (Capricorn). They won't necessarily act on those impulses (ie, they are not directly causal). But the environment is certainly indicative of those decisions. These are obvious examples. But the planets moving to and from exaltation, aspects etc, are also indicative of certain impulses in the cosmos, due to the 'celestial environs' at the time. Thus the 'fatalism' which Ptolemy and the scientists ascribed to astrology were ignorant to the magick of human will, ritual, ceremony, cognition, and spontaneity. These latter qualities were things which the originators of astrology were not ignorant of, and knew to include them in the total appreciation of astrology as a "divinatory science." Wherever this discussion goes from here, i'm here for it! 🎉

As above, so below. As within, so without.

You can never "prove" abstract things. You can know them and tbeir effects on yje physical

Thank you!! I asked astrology podcast to do this video because he's always saying that astrology isn't real! Thank you for doing it! Can you see if Chris will do a video together

Very interesting and Vic, you are definitely answering a huge question that astrology faces all the time. It would he great if you could cite your research with some other books that talk about this. Such as where did you read avout the indicative and causal models. I couldn't seem to find anything on this when looking it up. Would be great if you could share some resources.

We've been waiting for your reply for some time.

See Michel Gaughlins incredible voluminous statistical work

Great video again, and i love the picture, i know that Neil deGrasse Tyson often mocks astrologers, i think he is supercool, but i experience many similarities.

After hearing you mention Jones Beach & the LIE, I said only a fellow LI’er would think of those places & wouldn’t you know it lol. Much love from a fellow LI’er & budding astrologer ❤

The ones in control of resources will never share knowledge and power

The think with Astrology is that its not exact. And even experienced, good astrologers cannot read the chart correctly, and at times make some mistakes. And there is always an edge case to explain that they missed. That's my only gripe; I think big picture is quite accurate, details and especially contextualizing the symbology to individual attitudes and soceital norms is where the problem lies.

As below, then above....3nergetics and emotions don't start in the mind.

Hello Vic ! Nice quality video. Your exemple with Jones beach work when the sun is in cancer but what about australia or any south hemisphere country ? It Doesn't work cause season are reversed...?

Would also love to hear the claims people submit to you justifying sidereal over tropical zodiac. If you already have then maybe a good samaritan can point it out for me. Your videos are always appreciated❤❤

May be the science is not capable yet to know far more advanced things. So come up epigenetics, quantum mechanics, dark energy etc. They were forced to admit they were completely wrong. Except very few scientists like Tesla, oppenheimer etc were having glimpse of reality & matrix. Science should to go in depth of the subject and open itself.

A chart is nothing but a snapshot of sky. Indicative model makes sense if we think that way. But then should any predictions be made with chart at all?

I literally just did a video on this same topic...explain that science lol.

I'm 100% confident astrology is accepted by all in the near future. It's obvious it's unmissable.

wonderful distinction between causation and indication. i've been thinking along the same lines. i'm fond of saying "co-responding" with respect to different parts of reality and experience, attributing _causation_ to God, a practice inimical to modern, atheistic thinkers. p.s. their rocket shows are money laundering exercises, clearly (metal?) balloons slowly rising with fireworks beneath, launched towards bermuda or pacific (where there be dragons, curious wanderer!... they don't tell you the sea dragons are actually navy ships ready to kill you)... anyway-what was i saying? 😅 the parabola gives away they're dodging the heavens/firmament, although they'll happily illustrate a phallic flight path and stick it in your face. ah you got to give some credit.

Are the readings you offer your interpretations or a computers?

Is there a discord group?

Astrology is not vs science, it is a branch of science.

It's not a belief system!

Just like those who claim to understand communism and seek to undermine Marx have only read Volume 1 of Capital, those such as Michael Hudson who have read all 3 volumes and truly understand Marx will tell us we are not understanding communism; Vic has bothered to cover vast amounts of historical data and can tell us, if we think Astrology is not scientific, we truly dont know what we are talking about!

I don't see astrology as a science but as an art. Science is a lagging indicator whereas art is at the cutting edge and cannot necessarily be contained or explained. Having said that, if we view science through the lens of Karl Popper's epistemology, astrology is lacking in being classified as such. In Popper's view knowledge progresses through a process of conjectures and refutations, and the astrology community does not use a scientific method of falsifying a theory to see where its bounds end, it's more of a vibe which cannot be quantified. And it doesn't necessarily need to for it to work to be honest, but it won't fit the scientific criteria. Further into the epistemology talk, I like David Deutch's improvements on Karl Popper where he says that a good scientific explanation has to have as little moving parts as possible. Meaning that let's say you change Saturn with an asteroid, or with Jupiter, your predictive theory should fall apart. If you take out Saturn for an asteroid your predictions should go south and that's a great start, but not the end towards a good explanation. Hell, change the Zodiac to some other newly invented constellations and see if you can still make predictions right. It's about throwing rocks into the system until you see what remains intact.

Neil deGrasse Tyson is a living proof that astrology works. Check this Lilith in Aries description: anger, arrogance, self-centeredness, and impulsiveness. And the dude is oozing with retro Eris+Mars combo🤣

Sir Isaac Newton would have shredded you and then Dr Carl Jung would have served you as a cold plate

But fire causes smoke so that smoke indicates fire . How astrology can be indicative without being causal in another way ? It's enough for statistical correlations between celestial positions and human character and events to deem it scientific !!!

Trust Wikipedia, Neil de grasses Tyson laughable. Glad you mentioned Jung.

You making good points and attack the current science, which are the (bought) priests of atheism. But why you misuses in your books Śrīmad Bhāgavata as a "prove" to falsy promote that the earth is round? The Vedas and jyotis-śāstras are very clear, they all described a geocentric model and a flat earth. The atheisic science you attack here are exactly the ones who promote the atheisic world view, that we floating in space around the sun and that the earth is round. This they do to give no meanings to our life, that everything is random, to give thr impression there is no God-Creator, which is of course not true. The (flat) geocentric earth is a perfect clock, in which the planets and zodiacs orbit around the earth, and thus we can read the lifes in the "stars". In the Śrīmad Bhāgavata itself you find plenty of verses that it is the sun who moves not the earth. Also i found plenty of verses in the Gosvāmīs books and other Purāṇas. This all speaks against a globe and the helliocentric earth model.