Science Vs. Religion "Where do morals come from" || Aron Ra 

Ya’ll are like therapy for me. Thank you.

Wonderful Aron...Your honesty is always refreshing..

You're a wonderful person Derek. I love to accompany your journey by listening to your vids. Thanks for sharing!

No Christian apologist would take on AronRa ... they would not survive against that mind.

Thank you Aron!! Circumcision without consent is evil.

You both are amazing! It's such an honor and joy to be listening to you.

At Lascaux in France, is probably the most famous of the caves with beautiful paintings of wildlife on the walls inside. What's not often talked about is just how many similar caves with neolithic paintings inside them can only be accessed using diving gear. There are many of these caves, predating modern humans, that were flooded at the end of the last ice age.

This was absolutely superb, Gentlemen. A wonderful conversation with outstanding interaction. Two of my faves working together.

Aron's dogs listen better than any one he has ever debated.

My reading of the Bible was always that there’s no forgiveness without repentance by the party that committed the sin.

appreciate your enthusiasm and your candid discussion of your personal personality. aron ra totally rocks!

The “end times” have lasted 2000 years. What’s to say they won’t last another 1000?

The reference to "C*nt" Hovind was so funny. I loved the debate where Hovind would not refer to Aron by that name so Aron referred to him throughout by his convict number. Keep these coming guys. The rules on whether scripture is literal or metaphorical are simple. If I can defend it, it is literal. If it is nonsensical and indefensible it is metaphorical.

The debate Godless Engineer had with Kent Hovind was one of the saddest things I've ever seen. John seems like a decent guy, and he makes some good content from what I've seen, but debate is not one of his strengths. It was painful to watch that con-man Hovind walk all over him. It's a shame to lose a debate when all the facts are on your side, especially to a snake-oil salesman who hasn't come up with any new material in 20 years. The one to check out is Aron's debate with Kent. Aron didn't let him pull any of his shit and held his feet to the fire for actual answers. Kent was beaten so bad he decided he wouldn't debate him in person again even after saying he would at the end of the debate. After that they agreed to a back and forth video debate, and that was absolute gold. I highly recommend checking out at least Aron's reply videos as he replays Kent's comments anyway. Godless Engineer should have taken notes.

Killin' it Derek! Great guests and interesting topics. My new fav channel!

I loved his morality section.

I was too young to even understand religion when I discovered that it was a deception of some kind. I could tell something wasn't kosher by the way adults talked about it. But I still didn't understand what it was - only that everyone was lying to me, and they were all in on it together. I neither believed in god nor disbelieved, nor even thought about the question at that age. I remember losing trust in my parents and other adults because of that. All I knew was that they were all lying to me. If I had a shrink, I'm pretty sure we'd spend the first 20 sessions on that. Religion's bad, mkay? Stop scaring children. Stop lying to people.

Aron Ra is legendary. But ya religion takes credit for others people's work. Back in the day taking credit for laws going back to Hannurabi at least. More recently taking credit for civil rights. 30 years from now will take credit for gay marriage. It's the same way religion waits for science to make discovery and take credit for that too.

Excellent episode, Derek and Aron. Thanks!!

3 mins in n IM HOOKED thanks Derek :D

Love listening to Aron Ra. Thanks for having him on Derek.

The Adam & Eve story is really the story of the creation of the Jewish people. This explains why other people just show up later in the story with no explanation of where they came from. Christians later, altered & adopted it's interpretation, to become the story of "humanities" creation.

I love listening to Aron Ra.

I will say Mr.. Aron thoughts are absoluterlly true, we've seen the religous people behave like this (pretty bad) in all societes and countries. No need to walk into any religous school or university to verify what he express. Thanks so much for sharing.

I really loved watching this episode!

Great Interview Derek, Aron Ra is a perfect match for this channel.

I have an aunt and uncle who used to have the following policy on TV: you can watch at most only one hour per day (longer if it's a movie); unsurprisingly, my cousins did just that. Then, their parents changed the policy (you can watch as much or little as you like; just make sure that you get all your homework and chores done); as a result, my cousins actually watched LESS TV than before.

Thank you so much for asking Aron about YDB! I've been dying to hear his take.

You were a contractor in the ME and afghan. No way man I did 25 years of the same. Worked with some great kids in Kabul. Terrifying what religious fundamentalists will do when they are in charge.

Great show!

Watched all of it, great discussion

If you need a god to get you through life it is a sign of weakness.religous people need to learn to trust themselves and stand on their own two feetand know they can survive without a deity.It is people that help each other no god ever helped anyone.

This is cool , just finished watching a video with Jen Fishburne now this is my first time listening to Aron Ra . Keep it going Myth vision

I only bred one other human. It makes me feel good that I am not contributing to population growth. And the human I bred doesn't even want kids. She would prefer to just have a cat. Every time he yelled "Shut up!!!" at his dogs it cracked me up lol! I have 3 inside and I feel your pain. 😝

To me, morals actually come from trial and error in human life.

Well done !!! 💥💥💥

Aron is one of the most interesting people I’ve ever heard.👍🤓

39:30 I always found to story of Jacob & Esau to be a bit incredulous. Can one really believe that Isaac thought Jacob was actually Esau, because he dressed in an animal skin?

Imagine if our court systems went off faith and not evidence!!??.. What a mess this would be!!!

I had a friend who lived in Dubai, and he said they had a deragatory phrase towards the " servants" who were all foreigners. I couldn't even visit the concept was so gross

You are great guys, congrats.

cool to be first to say u LEGEND Derek hehehe ARRRON RAAAAAAAAAA, I knew an Amun Ra once, sunny guy, burned bright in the mornin faded away at night tho

❤❤❤ Aron Ra, please have him back more often ❤

*Prosperity & Christianity;* For centuries the propaganda of Christianity was one that asserted that _success in life was proof of Gods approval._ And that if you were on the bottom of society, then you were being punished by God. Hence the belief that highly *successful people are being guided by the hand of God.* (Ex. Trump followers)

This is a really good video.

Epic!

I heard the Mediterranean was mostly dry and when the shoul broke at the pillars of Hercules and the Atlantic flooded that area.

Next show with Aron Ra suggestion. Trusting those that believe in God; trust regarding those that believe in God. And/or respecting others beliefs. OR David Wilcock!

I love this 💛😃

This just in;Church's are giving mass on line for all of those shut in for this virus!So we can all be confident that they will pray the bugs away by next sunday!I pray they click on vids like this instead!🍌😉

Aron is a giant truth bomb!

Some great nuggets here. My religion is still Judaism. There's a documentary that came out in 2017 called First Man that explains how a combination of Empathy and Self Preservation led to Evolution.

In the world of cartooning, a common name for an abstract work of art, a painting or sculpture, is called 'Man's Inhumanity to Man'.

Aron - I knew Ken 'the Hamster' Ham was afraid to debate you, if I held the same beliefs as Hammy has and I had to defend them I would be afraid to debate you as well.

Good show. Derrick is so optimistic - read Straw Dogs by Gray. I realized at an early age I would not want to create new people. If you think about it from a moral perspective, it becomes much more complicated. I think David Benatar does a good job laying out the antinatalist position in his book Better Never To Have Been. The argument is basically that the best way to protect people from causing and experiencing suffering is to not create them in the first place.

It would be great if you could mention the books or ancient texts that contain the myths that have parallels to things like Genesis. Where is the story of Enki? Where is the story of the daughter to heal the side? Innana’s garden?

How come nobody considers the fact that the letter j didn't enter the alphabet till the 1200s 1300s so how can he possibly exist in ancient times and come on everybody knows or should know the other theory that the picture of Jesus is a painting of Leonardo da Vinci and it gets deeper than that

Jimmy Carter was never shy about his devout Christianity. But, while campaigning, he was interviewed by PLAYBOY. They asked if he ever lusted in his heart. He said yes because he wouldn't tell a lie. The public admission caused a kerfuffle of controversy. He won the election.

When you have a great relationship with yourself and your mate, you're not jealous about being human.

I do agree that Kuwaiti citizen don't work (at least most of them).. I live here and all the ones who work are foreigners like indian, philippines, Egyptian... WOman are actually allowed to drive..... Maybe you did not see woman driving because most of those who drive are men, but women can drive. There is no law against driving car

1:08:16 the greatest form of religious extremism is being told you're part of the chosen people since birth, and then everyone outside of your group is considered chattel and slaves to do your bidding.

Doctors make it clear that you SHOULD NOT assume that a vasectomy will be reversable.

Mr. Raw is wrong also about where the population is headed everybody out there who tracks population says most countries are going to start declining rapidly in populations within the next 10 to 20 years

Another similarity between Noah and Lot is the homosexuality angle. Because there is a legend that the Noah curse came from Ham raping his old man. And then of course the whole raping angel thing with Lot.

The Hurrian Version of the Flood-Myth has the Flood reaching the stars...

Aron Ra is bomb!!

13:55 what pagan poet does Paul quote?

If this sounds negative, it is not intended to be: Americans seem to blend religion and politics to a degree which I have not encountered in any other modern country. IDK why, or what that predicts for future. Any thoughts?

Interesting convo, so disappointed that the discussion decayed into a political discussion, 1/2 way into the vid. Lost me at that point. I'm not a registered Democrat, Independent or Republican. I despise the Republican & Democrat (UNI-Party) completely!

How much, if any, of Bruce Greyson's book "After" do you find challenging to your way of looking at everything?

OK you two.. I am Australian. I have always admired people who can find a bottleshop in a desert and "magically" pay for enough wine to keep the party rolling..

What is the driving force behind moral? Fear of death? Is that not the same thing? Everyone that I know has a different opinion on what is moral. usually it comes down to "Do no harm" but some thing that having sex with dead people is doing no harm. Who decides who's morality we follow for the "good of society" ?

I wouldn't want to debate a Motorhead fan either. Looks can be deceiving.

@53:00 Aron Ra’s dog 😂

I live with my parents right now; i live off of 280 dollars a month(minus a trucking school fifty dollars for the rest of my life, unless I start making money). I support a Russian blues/rock singer girl;, and there's a few more starving artists like that I'd like to support. When I start making money, you'll know it.

"PLEASE CONSIDER READING THE CHRIST-EDGE."(5)(MASTER ROOK)(THE PUZZLE OF GOD)

Oh slavery still exists today ! The "modern" slave has to fend for him/herself, where it comes to food, education, housing etc. It's called wage slavery.

Wow .....Beer .....thate'd be amazing , We could just start drinkin Snap !

"TRUTH."

Dogs whine when it's someone they're glad to see.

good point at the end. those old and new testaments were not meant for us. it was meant for the people in their time. its got nothing to do with us

9:00 yes but only if you apply it to an in-group as you do here - a society that totally embraces such materialist morality will have no qualms whatsoever about any level of abuse or exploitation upon an out-group. Freeing slaves only makes sense under a Christian universal egalitarianism. It's no accident that Christians were the ones that ended that practice as old as Civilization itself. 14:00 why do you excluse structures of faith in this evolution of man? Is Christianity more evolved Judaism? Why not? Is Buddhism more evolved Hinduism? Why not? Treating religious views as somehow totally separate from other societal aspects makes your whole case fall apart.

Science wins all ways

A force that is not labeled a person.

I personally believe in a God. In One true God. But I believe i have a valid argument against God. How can WE as human beings be much more compassionate then God to save a little child if we had the power to, rather then watch it get burned alive while trapped in a burning house? How can I be more willing then God to cure a kid from cancer if i had that power?

And thus the sf stories about the distribution of man.

Hmm. Got me there 🤔 . . .

Agnostic means don't know. We all don't know things.

sorry derek its pronounced..... pay-tree-on. just figgered id help u out. lol. jk. love the channel. keep it up. love dr bob too. keep him comin. lol

Christians know very well that as a criminal who converted and believe,that criminal still has to pay for his crime Weather jail time or other

Bigfoot appears in the Epic of Gilgamesh. His name is Humbaba

47:03 I'm a right-wing Christian/Buddhist/Witch, a "card-carrying" Libertarian, who has a bit of a Fascist streak.

9:00 "If you're a selfish bastard' - you can become President of the USA (2016) Fixed that for you.

Whatever the creature was, the tale teller called it a fish because it was in the sea. And there used to be huge fishes. Still are.

May I suggest some topics that might be interesting..? How about a strong argument for an afterlife.. ? Or everything that exists.. particles.. waves.. even universes.. ( multiverse is logical) .. including consciousness.. is simply field activity taking place in an Infinite Field of Energy.. that I call - THE PRIMARY FIELD.. The evidence in physics is over-whelming.. when we add together everything they are saying.. FIELDS ARE THE WAY FORWARD.. Also.. I created a large document the takes a close look at what the word GOD means to different people.. it was intended to be a debating tool.. so I could quickly find the arguments that best suit my purpose.. but it also served as a good teaching aid.. Lifting quotes from many diverse sources and comparing them.. looking for patterns.. I made the discovery.. that many atheists can not tell the difference between the definition of God.. and Nature.. I didn't like the dictionary definition of GOD so I created my own.. it's rather long.. but I love detail... This definition was inspired by Richard Feyman quotes.. of how wonderful nature was.. and he sounded like he was taking about GOD.. I found that interesting.. This is what emerged.. God.. (or NATURE).. is the Sum of ALL Natural Processes - The Ground of ALL Being - Omnipresence, the Supreme.. or Ultimate.. Reality. The Creative and Controlling Force in the Universe - The Life Force - The Force regarded as causing and regulating the Phenomena of the World by the Universal Natural Laws - God is both Outside.. and Inside.. Space-Time. Not subject to the cycle of Birth and Death - The Ultimate, the Absolute, Infinite and Eternal….. ENERGY and FORCE… The word - GOD or NATURE - functions as a SYMBOL.. representing.. the underlying Unity.. and.. or.. as a METAPHOR.. representing a personification of a Motivating Power.. of a Value System.. that functions in Human Life.. and in the Universe. The Force.. and Energy.. that supports the World - A personification of the Energy.. or Force.. that seems to regulate the Physical Universe - An anthropomorphic idea whose dynamism.. and symbolism.. are filtered through the medium of the psyche.. COULD ANY ONE PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT THIS FORCE DOES NOT EXIST? I did not see anything on philosophical idealism among your up-loads.. but I could be wrong.. it is an interesting topic.. that has strong support in physics.. and will soon be more widely accepted... I am getting very old.. and my brain is crumbling into dust... so my words are rushing to get out as fast as they can.. like the crew of a sinking ship.. so my spirit lives on.. and remains in the world.. when I am gone.. in my writings.. The body may die but the mind can live on.. as long as it remains interesting.. and may even be reincarnated.. by merging with other living minds (see attached video link). Reincarnation would make an interesting topic.. Many misunderstand it.. so I created a document of Buddha's teaching to clear the matter up.. it is not what most people think it is.. Words are like genes that carry information forward in time.. so it is preserved.. the MIND of Socrates.. the MIND of CHRIST.. they live on in their words.. This is what Buddha meant.. To quote Buddha's.. thoughts on reincarnation.. and.. I think his words clarify a lot.. “There is no evidence of the existence of an immutable ego-being, of a self which remains the same and migrates from body to body. There is rebirth but no transmigration. The ideas which I think, came to me partly from others who thought them, and partly they rise from combinations of the ideas in my mind. Those who have used the same sense-organs, and have thought the same ideas before I was composed into this individuality of mine ARE MY PREVIOUS EXISTENCES; they are my ancestors. "Is all teaching in vain? Do you not understand that those others.. are you yourself ? “The combination of thy sankharas is thy self. Wheresoever they are impressed upon.. there your self migrates.” "The self to which you cling to is a constant change.” "There is rebirth of character, but no transmigration of a self. Thy thought-forms reappear, but there is no ego-entity transferred. Only through ignorance and delusion do men indulge in the dream that their souls are separate and self-existent entities.” "There is rebirth without the transmigration of a self. For this atman, this self, this ego in the 'I say' and in the 'I will' is an illusion.” "Our thinking is gone, but our thoughts continue. Reasoning ceases, but knowledge remains." “It is as if the writing has been finished and the light has been put out.. But the letter is still there.” "Verily, I say unto thee, thy mind is spiritual.” The Acceleration of Knowledge and the Rebirth of Ideas - Roger Bacon ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-oooDEWgABmU.html -

if they were wise they would have know it would be used to do the opposite of noble purposes so it always was meant for oppresion from the word go

Morals are necessary for survival and happiness if you live in a community. Morals do not come from a mass murdering god or his unecessary son.

If people imagine morals come from the bible, they haven't read the bible. If they are good because of Christianity's childish 'carrot or stick', well they lack a moral compass and are indeed childish.

Religion has certain elements of science. What causes lightning ? Zeus.

Pretty sure the Netherlands has among the highest population densities in the world yet I wouldn't mind living there. It's not the worst thing if you manage it right. Hell despite their population density they are the worlds 2 largest food exporter.