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Who was Jesus? The Truth with Aron Ra 

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Aron Ra,
"I saw an article in Inquisitor today,wherein someone read through 126 historic documents from 1st century Israel, written by people who should have known about Jesus, yet had never heard of him. This includes Josephus, whose only mention of Jesus is now known to have been a forgery or redaction inserted later by someone else.
Josephus also wrote extensively about Herod the Great, but never mentioned the Slaughter of the Innocents, the story of Jesus’ childhood which mirrors the tale of Moses’ childhood. This is because they’re both just stories following popular themes. This is only part of the evidence that Jesus never existed, or at least among the reasons to suspect that Jesus never existed, which explains why I am now a mythicist.
It’s not just that I don’t believe that Jesus is a god, nor the son of God, nor a prophet of God. There is no such thing as gods, just like there’s no such thing as ghosts, and magic doesn’t really work either. Russell Brand criticized “atheistic tyranny” for denying the supernatural, but there is no supernatural to deny. The whole concept of the supernatural is evidently a product of human imagination, deceptive pattern recognition, confirmation bias, and a host of other perceptual, logical, and intellectual failures to discern fact from phantasm."
Who was Jesus?
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Aron Ra discusses how he came to be an atheist and discusses who Jesus was. He takes a historical Mythicist position where Jesus may have been made up of many historical figures as well as mythological.
AronRa youtube: / @aronra
AronRa website: www.aronra.com/
AronRa Patreon: / aronra
Timestamps:
0:00: Introduction
12:30: "There was a Jesus, but also a lot more than one, and Christ was mythologized”
16:12: Comparative mythology between the Abrahamic religions and paganism
34:46: The problem of extreme mythicist and historicist positions
46:09: More on Aaron Ra’s position on Jesus’ historicity
51:47: “People are confusing and conflating different people named Jesus”
59:05: On the eyewitness problem, weird contradictions in the gospels and weird beliefs
1:03:54: Aaron Ra’s anti-theism
1:08:51: On Kersey Graves’ work: don’t take it for granted!
#whowasjesus #Jesusmythicism #historicaljesus

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@bcalatoz1
@bcalatoz1 2 года назад
When children pretend they call it imagination. When adults pretend they call it religion.
@Theendoftimekaliyuga
@Theendoftimekaliyuga 4 дня назад
look at humanity look at the two paths ego and pride, humility and love look at what these non physical abstract things do to people as far as war and genocide there is obviously a very real and powerful underlying force to life why is it that everything physical and produced by man is victim to time change and decay whereas things lomke virtues and sins are permanent across all ages for example resentment and hatred has always been bad for you and always will be and when spread collectively leads to death and destruction love forgiveness courage humility these things are are good for peoole and can bring peace if there is no God than how can mere concepts be so permanent and play such a consistent and vital role in humanity
@lewhellickson3130
@lewhellickson3130 4 года назад
These two gentlemen are a great team. They should do more together.
@toforgetisagem8145
@toforgetisagem8145 4 года назад
Second that
@mathgod
@mathgod 2 года назад
Love both these dudes. Derek is a great wingman for everybody. Aron is one a few aces who doesn’t need a wingman but works well.
@spider-man9118
@spider-man9118 11 месяцев назад
ayo we have various types of evidence for biblical events, if anyone is interested
@bluwng
@bluwng 9 месяцев назад
Why
@Cryptameria69
@Cryptameria69 3 года назад
I needed to see this. Well done. "It's metaphorical when I can't defend it, and literal when I just want to make believe"
@UseADamnCoaster
@UseADamnCoaster Год назад
I'm a big fan of Aron Ra. He was one of the people who got me thinking about the other side of the argument after being indoctrinated from a young age. Because of this, I'm very appreciative of what he, yourself, and those like you bring to the table in terms of helping people break the mental chains religion places on them. Great episode and I love your podcast! Keep on keeping it 💯 as always
@rogerandes8
@rogerandes8 Год назад
I love this guy. Most of the other celebrity atheist turned into huge disappointments. But Aron Ra is the man
@UseADamnCoaster
@UseADamnCoaster Год назад
@@rogerandes8 yeah dude plus he's a metalhead as am I 🤘🏻
@andymetternich3428
@andymetternich3428 Год назад
First I didn't like him when he was shown in the Kent Hovind debates/whack an atheist(I believe in God, but not sure which one he is 🤔😄). But this guy definitely had his merits, plus he points out lots of good stuff.
@theonlyway5298
@theonlyway5298 Год назад
@@andymetternich3428 You might be missing the deceptions he is passing off as 'truth' in his speech! You need to seriously check in detail what people like this tell you because most of them misquote scripture, misunderstand scripture, and many of them simply lie about it with no moral conscience that they are misleading their audiences and probably enjoy it!
@andymetternich3428
@andymetternich3428 Год назад
@@theonlyway5298 that's very possible. And I'm suspicious of all leftists/liberals for obvious reasons. But I checked some of his comments against actual Bible verses(in Genesis) and found them to be correct.
@outlawJosieFox
@outlawJosieFox 4 года назад
The woofer is merely reminding you that God backwards is dog.
@quijybojanklebits8750
@quijybojanklebits8750 4 года назад
Weird fact turtledove is evodeltrut.
@alegnalowe3679
@alegnalowe3679 3 года назад
Atleaste we know dogs are real!
@jayfredrickson8632
@jayfredrickson8632 Год назад
People worship gods. Dogs worship people.
@GodEqualstheSquaRootof-1
@GodEqualstheSquaRootof-1 4 года назад
Who was Jesus? He cuts my lawn. Nice guy.
@DL-rl9bd
@DL-rl9bd 4 года назад
SS 1964 correct.
@GodEqualstheSquaRootof-1
@GodEqualstheSquaRootof-1 4 года назад
@@redbirdofparadise7508 Sorry, but you're wrong. Jesus definitely cuts my lawn and recognises me when I give him a check every month. I don't know what you're talking about regarding a god. My understanding is that god's are fictional things invented by man. Can you prove there is such a thing as a god?
@GodEqualstheSquaRootof-1
@GodEqualstheSquaRootof-1 4 года назад
@@redbirdofparadise7508 I don't believe a spirit lives inside you or anyone. All you have are assertions and no proof. Boring. You sound like you are in a cult. Can you prove a word of any of these claims?
@GodEqualstheSquaRootof-1
@GodEqualstheSquaRootof-1 4 года назад
@@redbirdofparadise7508 So that just sounds like BS. Try living in the 21st century. You folks have been warning of this crap for thousands of years and never once has it ever been demonstrated. Weak.
@derekmizer6293
@derekmizer6293 4 года назад
Hey, I know Jesus. He just moved next to me. He is from Guatemala Lol
@mushypeasplease8872
@mushypeasplease8872 4 года назад
God I love the comments section on here. It's an education in itself.
@JaySantanaofficial
@JaySantanaofficial 4 года назад
na, its more like a south park episode when they had to get rid of walmart
@j-the-researcher8453
@j-the-researcher8453 4 года назад
Jay Santana ?
@historicalbiblicalresearch8440
@historicalbiblicalresearch8440 3 года назад
Watch out it's addictive
@27273100
@27273100 3 года назад
Straight with no sugar or chaser.
@ChristianSoldier71
@ChristianSoldier71 Год назад
ATTENTION!!! JESUS CHRIST LOVES YOU!! JESUS IS COMING FOR HIS BELIEVERS AND FOLLOWERS!!! If the RAPTURE took place today, would you be left behind? Humble yourself to repent and Put your faith in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. ACTS 2:38 “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
@RobertHollander
@RobertHollander Год назад
"If he (Adam) had never eaten from the Tree of Life, he would not have eternal life. He would die." Thank you Aron Ra for stating it using simple words that I can repeat. *(The serpent was the one telling the truth the whole time.)*
@christopherodonnell2375
@christopherodonnell2375 Год назад
U mean to tell me adam lived forever
@KillroyLP
@KillroyLP Год назад
Wrong lol, Genesis doesnt say how many years they spent in Eden up to the point of the first sin, they were immortal, the nature laws in Eden were different than they are now. The certainty of death in life came to play as a punishment after they ate from the Tree. There couldnt be any death unless there was a sin... Why does Aron so blatantly misinterpret the basic story of the Bible ? I know cause he's a zealot for atheism, not truth seeking.
@spider-man9118
@spider-man9118 11 месяцев назад
ayo we have various types of evidence for biblical events, if anyone is interested
@mr.spider267
@mr.spider267 11 месяцев назад
My father is a pastor, and it always confused me when he said that if Adam had not eaten of the Tree he would have lived out his life in Eden. Now I understand.
@jaredmccain7518
@jaredmccain7518 10 месяцев назад
Incorrect.
@samuelpope7798
@samuelpope7798 4 года назад
Aron Ra is such a great orator especially when he is explaining scientific evidence against the fundamentalist / creationist Position. It's great to see him on MythVision. When it come to Jesus Mythisism Dr. Price said it best. "There may have been a historic Jesus but there isn't anymore.".
@milkteaalliance1748
@milkteaalliance1748 3 года назад
aron ra is a satanic deceiver
@milkteaalliance1748
@milkteaalliance1748 3 года назад
@Bobzilla at White House you fear god
@milkteaalliance1748
@milkteaalliance1748 3 года назад
@Bobzilla at White House cosmic soup
@milkteaalliance1748
@milkteaalliance1748 3 года назад
@Bobzilla at White House primordial soup of the pre tri ASS ic period
@ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked
@ReligionAndMaterialismDebunked 3 года назад
I do appreciate a good amount of his work. Not the anti spiritual stuff, that's handpicked from science skeptics. Over 20% of "Atheist Materialists" in the top science community are actually spiritual, according to anonymous (to avoid bullying and such) polling. Biocentrism, Monroe Institute, Dr. Eben Alexander, simulation theory, spliced DNA in ourselves and in wheat, etc. #Agnostic #AntiTheist
@hopelessnerd6677
@hopelessnerd6677 4 года назад
Christianity is the ultimate horror movie. Human sacrifice, zombies, eternal torture, the whole works.
@desiderata8811
@desiderata8811 4 года назад
HopelessNerd . Not really. Muslims worked hard and finally manage to overcome Christianity.
@1kings18apologetics6
@1kings18apologetics6 4 года назад
Some babies even get their heads smashed against rocks by the decree and blessing of Yahweh! Hallelujah!
@davidwatson8118
@davidwatson8118 4 года назад
@@desiderata8811 Not
@davidwatson8118
@davidwatson8118 4 года назад
@Computer User It's a version of the Walking Dead or a reality TV show.
@raysalmon6566
@raysalmon6566 4 года назад
HopelessNerd. . 2 weeks ago. . Christianity is the ultimate horror movie. Human sacrifice, zombies, eternal torture, the whole works.. 6 replies. 10 likes. Here's one for your collection Jesus Honors a Syrophoenician Woman’s Faith 24 Jesus left that place and went to the vicinity of Tyre. He entered a house and did not want anyone to know it; yet he could not keep his presence secret. 25 In fact, as soon as she heard about him, a woman whose little daughter was possessed by an impure spirit came and fell at his feet. 26 The woman was a Greek, born in Syrian Phoenicia. She begged Jesus to drive the demon out of her daughter. 27 “First let the children eat all they want,” he told her, “for it is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.” 28 “Lord,” she replied, “even the dogs under the table eat the children’s crumbs.” 29 Then he told her, “For such a reply, you may go; the demon has left your daughter.” 30 She went home and found her child lying on the bed, and the demon gone.
@sirquentincrispy1071
@sirquentincrispy1071 4 года назад
I hated Richard Dawkins until I became an atheist. When I deconverted I couldn't get enough of him.
@RamGilamar
@RamGilamar 4 года назад
Richard Dawkins is a brilliant guy. Just a very uncharismatic guy aswell
@sirquentincrispy1071
@sirquentincrispy1071 4 года назад
@@RamGilamar I would agree with that. British upper-class syndrome.
@crocopix
@crocopix 4 года назад
Same here and I am an ex-muslim, I really respect his efforts now.
@raysalmon6566
@raysalmon6566 4 года назад
@@RamGilamar Ram Gilamar. . 4 days ago. . Richard Dawkins is a brilliant guy. Just a very uncharismatic guy aswell. . 1 like. I listened to Dawkins about a year fact checking what he said was disappointing
@raysalmon6566
@raysalmon6566 4 года назад
@Sticky Steve Be specific...
@ianfirth33
@ianfirth33 3 года назад
"Christianity is about shirking responsibility", exactly right Aron.
@shure46
@shure46 3 года назад
TRUE Christianity is hardly "shirking responsibility" , because we know there's a judgement day for EVERYONE , and we do NOT believe "all you have to do is say pardon me and yer saved" , we believe we have to TURN AWAY from wrong doing as best we can , and ask forgiveness when we fail , but we FULLY believe in "trying our best to be good" as REAL FAITH , not the phony stuff so many preachers advocate .... I understand where you guys become so skeptical , MUCH of Christianity is a sham for money .... Having said that , ditto for "science" .... NO ONE is ever going to "live on Mars" , but it rakes in the dough for NASA and Elon Musk .... Does no one understand what NO OXYGEN means ???? or 40 - 100 Million Miles Away means ???? It means "YOU AIN'T LIVING THERE" ..... Amazon doesn't deliver there either .....
@shure46
@shure46 2 года назад
@Theseustoo Astyages going to the moon and coming back , or even going to mars and coming back , doesn't count .... humans will never LIVE on a planet that has no water or oxygen .... Just try an experiment .... stay in your house for a month wearing an oxygen suit .... I could go on for hours , but for now .... Just do that ..... see how long you last .... I'll even let you cheat and eat a doughnut now and then , glass of milk , but you must never take that suit off and breathe atmospheric air ..... OR if you want to argue they could have oxygen filled homes , fine , in that case stay home and never go outside without your oxygen suit on ... do this for a month , stay inside ..... Death Valley is a million times more hospitable than Mars ... Humans will NEVER "LIVE" on Mars , ever .... As for "atheists in prison" , trust me , there's plenty of pagans and atheists in prison , but once there , they tend to think about God more .... The old saying "there are no atheists in a foxhole" .... Most people in prison have drug and alcohol problems , guess who uses drugs and alcohol to snare people and ruin their lives ??? Satan .... and he gets a lot of people with that , even Christians .... Kids raised Christian , but play around with drugs and alcohol when young , get addicted and their lives are ruined .... THAT is what happened to me , I am an ex-con from the 1980's ..... AND going through that has taught me something very valuable .... God is RIGHT , the Bible is TRUE , and the devil is a lying scumbag out to destroy people's lives .... EVERY person in prison should read Proverbs ...
@raysalmon6566
@raysalmon6566 2 года назад
20, 3, "Christianity is about shirking responsibility", exactly right Aron. So do you consider the catholics owning and operating 600 hospitals in the US shirking responsiblity
@raysalmon6566
@raysalmon6566 2 года назад
@Theseustoo Astyages The type of christains you mention that are in prison are checkbox type Of whom they don't even know what Jesus said Atheists are a very very small minority of course there will be fewer of them in prison
@TorianTammas
@TorianTammas 2 года назад
@@raysalmon6566 What is your point? It is a business endeavor like the Vatican bank and so many others. What us your point?
@theillusivestonedgorilla7778
@theillusivestonedgorilla7778 3 года назад
Aron Ra is a huge part of my deconstruction we need more people like him
@jonathanberglund1191
@jonathanberglund1191 Год назад
true!
@pleaseenteraname1103
@pleaseenteraname1103 Год назад
atheist equivalent to Kent Hovid.
@Timmeh_The_tyrant
@Timmeh_The_tyrant Год назад
You can’t take everything he says face value asked he’s just not accurate about a lot of things he says, but he’s really confident and forceful
@pleaseenteraname1103
@pleaseenteraname1103 Год назад
@@Timmeh_The_tyrant yeah I agree he’s admittedly an intelligent guy, when it comes to science for the most part, but when it comes to Christianity, Philosophy of science, anything that has to do with any branch of philosophy or religion for that matter pretty much, he’s pretty much the dunning Kruger effect personified.
@pleaseenteraname1103
@pleaseenteraname1103 Год назад
@@TheIndianTree I disagree.
@NoNoBigWhite
@NoNoBigWhite Год назад
I think the Story of Adam and Eve is a combination of analogies of the loss of childhood. Before you learn about death you are immortal (in your mind). As you grow up, you learn about death and are confronted with your own mortality. The other part of it is becoming sexually aware. Eve gets lured by the “snake” and is persuaded into sharing her “fruit” with Adam. Now Eve has to start to worry about childbirth. Leaving the Garden is about growing up.
@aprilmacdonell2682
@aprilmacdonell2682 4 месяца назад
I like this,
@dustinosborn4068
@dustinosborn4068 4 года назад
I think it’s far more beautiful and important the idea that humans came up with morality all on our own.
@mrandersong1
@mrandersong1 2 года назад
Yeah it’s called evolution.
@guyparrish4349
@guyparrish4349 2 года назад
One who thinks that humans came up with morality on their own is a complete idiot not to mention a pervert. Anyone that does not believe in an eternal fixed objective moral standard is a pervert. Because in your make-believe world pedophilia is only evil because it is a social construct. So if tomorrow it became a social construct that made it moral and right you would go right along with it. You might not participate but you would condone it which makes you just as guilty. Not every Nazi pushed the Jews into the gas Chambers or furnaces, but every Nazi was guilty that condone it. You see that's what happens when you reject God. You become a fool. I've got a few question for anyone that thinks that humans came up with the social construct of morality. 1. Was homosexuality wrong 150 years ago since it was considered immoral by society? 2. Was human slavery wrong before the civil war since in the social construct it was considered moral? 3. Was Hitler an immoral person because he murdered 6 million Jews? After all it was Germany's social construct. 4. Is modern day Iran wrong because they put to death anyone caught consuming alcohol four times? After all that is their social construct. I could go on and on and on. But it just shows you how hypocritical, inconsistent, and stupid people are when they reject God. By rejecting God you're rejecting a fixed eternal moral standard making morality subjective. Thus making everything an opinion which leaves you with the only conclusion that pedophilia is not inherently immoral. The fool has said in his heart there is no God.
@John-uk8eo
@John-uk8eo 2 года назад
@@mrandersong1 Man did come up with their own version of morality. One in which murder, rape, theft, deceit, molesting children, etc...., Are morally acceptable behaviors.
@mrandersong1
@mrandersong1 2 года назад
@@John-uk8eo and that’s pretty much what the Old Testament commanded
@John-uk8eo
@John-uk8eo 2 года назад
@@mrandersong1 Incorrect. It does go into detail on the moral depravity of man. However the main theme of The Old Testament is Jesus Christ. What man did in response was to blame God. So those who don't believe that God exists will attribute their immoral practices on God because it is convenient to excuse your behavior when you can blame it on someone else.
@ericgraham3344
@ericgraham3344 4 года назад
This was a “GREAT” Show!!! Thanks a Million for posting it!!!!
@PapaDon46
@PapaDon46 3 года назад
Aron Ra is one of my absolute favorites. Plus he's from Texas! I could listen to him all day.
@bobbyallen7977
@bobbyallen7977 2 года назад
He's not from Texas he just happens to live there
@SqwarkParrotSpittingFeathers
@SqwarkParrotSpittingFeathers 2 года назад
Texas, stolen from the Mexicans?
@bobbyallen7977
@bobbyallen7977 2 года назад
@@SqwarkParrotSpittingFeathers Nope it wasn't stolen it was fought for snowflake
@PapaDon46
@PapaDon46 2 года назад
@@SqwarkParrotSpittingFeathers By Mexicans do you mean the Spanish that stole it from the natives?
@jannellecox3202
@jannellecox3202 2 года назад
I said the same thing like a year ago ,that I could listen to him all day and he sent me a heart and cudos and kiss's.
@tonylearner7636
@tonylearner7636 Год назад
"If there was one God, an actual God, if there was one right religion, you wouldn't have hundreds of millions of people believing in a different religion." And upon Aron Ra's words, I rest my case. End of fucking story. That's all you need to know. Well said, Aron Ra. Bravo. Point on. Argument won.
@michaelbooth2890
@michaelbooth2890 4 года назад
I like the idea that jesus was a travelling faith healer adding to the idea of his eventual return. As a travelling faith healer will always return to con the same people.
@FirstPersonHood
@FirstPersonHood 3 года назад
I think we can all go home after realizing FAITH= lying to yourself. How often has anyone stopped a person from lying to themself?
@KerbalFacile
@KerbalFacile 3 года назад
You can, with love. But yeah it's hard and there needs to be at least some goodwill or a modicum of honesty from the person.
@onedaya_martian1238
@onedaya_martian1238 3 года назад
Religion is for the lazy... god did it, so no understanding or studying is necessary...hurt someone ? god forgave me, no need to make amends with the victim of my actions. Is it any wonder people can be conned into this sh-t?
@a_lucientes
@a_lucientes 4 года назад
Awesome! AronRa is an old favorite. Youre doing an amazing job w/the show, Derek,, niice!
@BIATEC88
@BIATEC88 Год назад
"I'm explaining why your wrong, not why I'm right". Exactly thank you
@bren42069
@bren42069 4 года назад
The burning Bush? Oh yea that was in Genesis 420 😎
@youtubezcy
@youtubezcy 4 года назад
Make my myhr the chronic... I wants to get funked up...
@Bxgodson2fl2
@Bxgodson2fl2 4 года назад
The only verse i follow!
@Bxgodson2fl2
@Bxgodson2fl2 4 года назад
@Salnsd Thank you for the suggestion! I will Make sure to read that one while on my knees lol
@raysalmon6566
@raysalmon6566 4 года назад
Bren the Wizard. . 2 weeks ago. . The burning Bush? Oh yea that was in Genesis 420 😎. 4 replies. 18 likes. ❤ by MythVision Podcast They found the location of the burning bush the burn Mark's on the ground are still there.
@user-gk9lg5sp4y
@user-gk9lg5sp4y 3 года назад
I think we know who was burning the bush ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ugTjzCvx76A.html
@jjamaya
@jjamaya 4 года назад
I've been listening to Aron Ra for a while. He did an awesome yt video on the flood of Noah.
@yoseflopez5141
@yoseflopez5141 4 года назад
He did several actually from many different scientific angles.
@raysalmon6566
@raysalmon6566 4 года назад
Jerry Amaya. . 1 week ago. . I've been listening to Aron Ra for a while. He did an awesome yt video on the flood of Noah.. 1 reply. 8 likes. The Bible doesn't say every species got on the boat.. Its very common for AR to blow every thing beyond what is claimed.
@yoseflopez5141
@yoseflopez5141 4 года назад
@@raysalmon6566 It does say two of each animal and creeping thing, but I'm pretty sure you understood his point.
@raysalmon6566
@raysalmon6566 4 года назад
@@yoseflopez5141 Well that is the English word It is doubtful it was global Not that many people on earth 4500 years ago and mostly very small area Aron just does stretch job then says it didn't happen. There have been other disastrous things that killed more people than Noah's flood. Actually Stalin killed more.
@yoseflopez5141
@yoseflopez5141 4 года назад
@@raysalmon6566 Okay.....wait. so.....I'm assuming that you're a believer?
@Jinxohh
@Jinxohh 4 года назад
Pinecreek next!!
@davidgagnon3781
@davidgagnon3781 Год назад
Someone said "Faith is believing what you know isn't true."
@RichWoods23
@RichWoods23 Год назад
Mark Twain.
@scurvy77777
@scurvy77777 3 года назад
I had no idea Derek was once an addict. Makes me respect him even more.
@Sal.K--BC
@Sal.K--BC 3 месяца назад
Yup... I think it was opiates and heroin too... vicious stuff... amazing that he was able to recover.
@Ella-ro3fl
@Ella-ro3fl 4 года назад
Great video! I still remember being in catholic school in Bama and the hysterics over BC/AD becoming BCE/CE. It was an attack on the faith lol. How embarrassing to look back at myself now and know the history behind such matters.
@camaradael2424
@camaradael2424 4 года назад
It was the discussions of Aron Ra that made me exodus from religion. Ive had 16 religions in total, and still was seeking answers for what's true. But Ive discovered that answers are not in religions. Answers are outside of religion. Back then, if people of old times heard Aron Ra, they would not believe. They havent even believed that earth is round. We are now in the modern times yet people are still blind to science, history, and even to what Aron Ra is saying. People choose to blind themselves even if truth is already right before their eyes.
@herascousin9174
@herascousin9174 3 года назад
FACTS
@onedaya_martian1238
@onedaya_martian1238 3 года назад
If a person beLIEves, then it must be true. Faith means never having to prove anything. Religion is for the lazy.
@sandrarickovic8139
@sandrarickovic8139 Год назад
Have you found your answers?
@historicalbiblicalresearch8440
@historicalbiblicalresearch8440 4 года назад
Christians do study the Bible as well but generally they stick to Christian and apologetic sources and voila they find it's all true
@williamlarochelle6833
@williamlarochelle6833 3 года назад
Who was Jesus? In a nutshell, he was a failed doomsday prophet; therefore, he was not God incarnate, he was not the Messiah/Savior, and he did not rise from the dead. According to ex-Christian biblical scholar & atheist John Loftus (along with many others), since it's true he was a failed prophet, then Christianity is falsified--period. Forget all the high blather about the resurrection. It didn't happen.
@mj-7444
@mj-7444 Год назад
All profits fell short in someway.
@williamlarochelle6833
@williamlarochelle6833 Год назад
@@mj-7444 Der.
@williamlarochelle6833
@williamlarochelle6833 Год назад
@@mj-7444 Doi.
@healthyone100
@healthyone100 Год назад
Jesus was a real man but not a savior, he was a great teacher and the only person he saved was himself and we must do the same!
@ChristianSoldier71
@ChristianSoldier71 Год назад
ATTENTION!!! JESUS CHRIST LOVES YOU!! JESUS IS COMING FOR HIS BELIEVERS AND FOLLOWERS!!! If the RAPTURE took place today, would you be left behind? Humble yourself to repent and Put your faith in Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. ACTS 2:38 “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
@PBAmygdala2021
@PBAmygdala2021 3 года назад
I'd love to hear Aron talk about the literature that was written contemporary to the gospels such as 4 Ezra and 2 Baruch, to look for dependence and primacy.
@marciajones2993
@marciajones2993 2 года назад
I love listening to Aran he has so much information. ❤️💙
@yourhealinghome8812
@yourhealinghome8812 2 года назад
Aron
@jamesblack4411
@jamesblack4411 11 месяцев назад
I know what they are saying is true it kind of depresses me and makes me wonder why life is worth it 🎉 why not just end it there is no purpose my faith is broken and life sucks
@marciajones2993
@marciajones2993 11 месяцев назад
@@jamesblack4411 Bless you, I suffer with depression I feel for you. It’s a miserable existence at times. Hang in there bad times do pass. But it’s so hard. Much love and light to you. 💙💙💙✨✨✨
@TheBeardedWitness
@TheBeardedWitness Год назад
Great podcast!! I had heard about some of this stuff, pre-Jesus stories, but you guys clarify a lot of it, thanks so much!
@eddybrevet6816
@eddybrevet6816 11 месяцев назад
Once they figure out not happening as foretold, fuks with them big ly, won’t accept a better alternative, reality, instead their egos declare war,
@tonymiller3788
@tonymiller3788 Год назад
As I recall Richard Carrier's argument it was not that there was no apocalyptic preacher named Jesus, but that the Jesus as portrayed by the Bible is a myth or legend.
@ilduce5874
@ilduce5874 Год назад
Came here for Aron. Staying for MythVision 🎉
@taboo_lullaby
@taboo_lullaby Год назад
We all need to think for ourselves. Put no one on a pedestal
@Taylor-kd6lr
@Taylor-kd6lr 4 года назад
Excellent show Derek, and great guest. Bravo!
@marcelschellekens6386
@marcelschellekens6386 4 года назад
For a long time I was convinced that Jesus did exist. But was just a revolutionary.
@camilleannae5975
@camilleannae5975 3 года назад
The funny things is EVERY belief system is older than Christianity & Judaism. I Like this guy!!!
@kylelloyd4437
@kylelloyd4437 Год назад
Big fan of Aron and big fan of the show. Great episode.
@psuedozardozz
@psuedozardozz 3 года назад
"Same reason there was a town in Mexico..." It cuts off at the end.😢
@onedaya_martian1238
@onedaya_martian1238 3 года назад
I cried too. While I didn't want the conversation to end...I did want to hear the conclusion.
@YLLPal
@YLLPal 3 года назад
The existence of a small town in Mexico is a compelling reason in itself, of course 😜
@danmiller6462
@danmiller6462 4 года назад
There was an article in Smart News about how many Catholic beliefs came from pagan religion. Of course the rest of Christianity has ancient pagan stuff too.
@MTB_Rider_96
@MTB_Rider_96 Год назад
Aron Ra is spot-on with all his religious discussions. I really appreciate his work.
@theonlyway5298
@theonlyway5298 Год назад
is he? Are you sure? What about the false things he says in this video, or do you simply accept everything that comes out of his mouth, as some kind of atheist preacher?
@Mehki227
@Mehki227 4 месяца назад
​@@theonlyway5298What did he say was false. Please tell us all the things he said that aren't true.
@josecontreras8488
@josecontreras8488 4 года назад
Thanks you Derek for a great job you are doing.
@geezzerboy
@geezzerboy 2 года назад
If god hadn't wanted me to be an atheist, he wouldn't have made me so curious.
@PBAmygdala2021
@PBAmygdala2021 3 года назад
It would be amazing it Aron talked about the neuroscience of why people believe instead of investigate for the general public.
@rexwhitehead8346
@rexwhitehead8346 2 года назад
If I remember aright, "And Robin Hood in Barnsdale stood" has been a "tell me something we don't know" put down since it first appeared in the record of a trial in the 14th century, only about 100 years after the conventional death of Robin Hood.
@basicmountaingriff
@basicmountaingriff 4 года назад
"It's impossible for all those pagan mythologies to be based on genesis" i'm suddenly reminded of all aron's discussions about the quran where there are said to be hundreds of thousands of prophets that all got misunderstood
@rsablosky
@rsablosky 4 года назад
The guy whose name Derek couldn't remember is Andy Thompson.
@MGHarris
@MGHarris 4 года назад
Yes. It's a great lecture.
@djfrank68
@djfrank68 4 года назад
I was thinking maybe Michael Shermer.
@rsablosky
@rsablosky 4 года назад
@@djfrank68 Pretty sure he was referring to this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1iMmvu9eMrg.html
@janusatthegate6201
@janusatthegate6201 Год назад
Christians say the similarities are prophecies to Jesus. They won't say it's just copying older tales.
@berniemargolis4288
@berniemargolis4288 Год назад
Your discussion of Yahweh reminds me of a video that was put out by Dr. Justin Sledge on the Esoterica channel a few weeks ago. The video is called "Who is Yahweh -- How a Warrior Storm God became the God of the Israelites and World Monotheism." It's a fascinating lecture about the various cultures and deities that were fused in Yahweh's creation. It also brings context to the many contradictory depictions of God that we see in the Old Testament.
@theautoman22
@theautoman22 4 года назад
You need to do a show with someone that knows about the Serapis cult.
@Satans_lil_helper
@Satans_lil_helper 4 года назад
My husband and I were just discussing Serapis last night.
@fee8255
@fee8255 4 года назад
Jesus literally impregnated my sister. His last name is Medina though. Thanks Jesus.......???? I 🤔 think.....
@lovely.freedom
@lovely.freedom 4 месяца назад
"Belief shouldn't be something you do before you find the evidence. Belief should be COMPELLED by the evidence."
@josegaleano1530
@josegaleano1530 4 года назад
Aron this is a supper good program thankyou guys I am going to send this t all my friends
@ianfirth33
@ianfirth33 3 года назад
I'm not sure if Richard Carrier would disagree with you Aron, when speaking of Josephus, he makes all of these points in, "On the Historicity of Jesus" and lists them as possibilities.
@backtothebookwithdr.anthon7085
Number 8: Jesus did not say a physician is never accepted in his hometown. He said a prophet is never accepted in his hometown. Sound like these two guys were really Christians at one time.
@tomdelinger7206
@tomdelinger7206 3 года назад
I gotta agree with Aron on this one. Jesus, the first century apocryphal faith healer. Like an ancient Kenneth Copeland. What I fail to understand is how these made up stories about the guy managed to get legs and become the Christianity we know. It's truly amazing how it transpired.
@camotobe
@camotobe Год назад
Because of blood of martyrs.
@joschafinger126
@joschafinger126 3 года назад
Actually reading the Bible is something everyone in, at least, Western-culture countries ought to do. It's such a source of cultural references, literature, and so on. Also, it so puts you off religion once you read it with the detachment you'd read The Lord of the Rings with. I mean, enjoy the stories, which you absolutely can once you look beyond the awful style, and give it the same credence you'd give Tolkien's work. Great work of fiction with loads of interesting messages and huge influence on later literature. I love the way you guys make that clear.
@PBAmygdala2021
@PBAmygdala2021 Год назад
For a secular read of the OT, be sure to visit Hemant's channel "The Friendly Atheist", where he reads a chapter a week with incredulous commentary!
@ericsalles3393
@ericsalles3393 Год назад
It's mostly a history of war 🤔🤔
@michaeldavis146
@michaeldavis146 Год назад
Give it to sae credence that you would give Tolkien work . I'm gonna tell you the problem with Tolkien, he claims he wrote the Oxford dictionary and dwarf issingular and dwarves is plural . You wanna know what I say and the Bible says specifically, God hates dwarfs . Your turn .
@joschafinger126
@joschafinger126 Год назад
@P.B Amygdala2021 I subscribed about two years ago 😉
@joschafinger126
@joschafinger126 Год назад
@@michaeldavis146 Dwarves are cool, aren't they?
@mthokozisilanga4497
@mthokozisilanga4497 3 года назад
Aron & Derek, my favourites.👊🏿👊🏿👊🏿
@23ADJ93
@23ADJ93 4 года назад
Bart Ehrman too please
@backtothebookwithdr.anthon7085
Number 12: I have been a Christian for 30 years and have never heard a Christian say do not go to the hospital. He made that up. Be careful with these guys. Something really wrong here.
@no_one699
@no_one699 Год назад
I personally saw some Christians who don't want to go to hospital.
@ilduce5874
@ilduce5874 Год назад
Mithraism was a contemporaneous cult popular among soldiers that celebrated 25 December as the man-god Mithra’s birthday.
@BroJo333
@BroJo333 4 года назад
Is there a part 2 ?
@777Atum
@777Atum 4 года назад
Finally we got to hear AronRa talk about his pagan spiritual experiences. I can relate. If you can discipline your mind to temporarily suspend disbelief you can induce supernatural feelings and experiences. If you're a charismatic personality you can lead others into experiences too, like preachers sometimes do.
@anonymousjohnson976
@anonymousjohnson976 Год назад
Yes, and I think it is also about making one feel guilty as in the churches with their sermons, the music, and the songs. Make them feel guilty and they will keep coming.
@thomasgallipoli8376
@thomasgallipoli8376 2 года назад
Aron Ra is a modern day Robert G Ingersoll, except with more scientific knowledge. Proud to be a Patreon supporter of Aron.
@andrewmays3988
@andrewmays3988 Год назад
It was an awesome show!!! ARE-on is a very knowledgeable man and the two of you did an excellent job telling us what you don't believe. Now tell us what you DO BELIEVE about the unfathomable mystery of life we are living. 😇
@darlenevandyk7390
@darlenevandyk7390 4 года назад
Thank you for these videos!!
@janusatthegate6201
@janusatthegate6201 4 года назад
You are, Aron. You're taking the message of reality.
@spectraldeviant
@spectraldeviant 10 месяцев назад
I wanted to hear the rest of what Aron was talking about at the end, it got cut off. "the same reason there was this small town in Mexico..." ? Other than that great stream
@MukiibiTimothy-wk2nw
@MukiibiTimothy-wk2nw 11 месяцев назад
Every time I listen to these people it makes me feel like I've been delusional my whole life .thanks myth vision for hosting this man I've enjoyed the show
@onedaya_martian1238
@onedaya_martian1238 3 года назад
OMG !!!! Is this a test to see if anyone watched the whole thing....because it didn't finish !! And while I didn't want this conversation to end...it would be great to provide the conclusion !!! Please put on a part II at the end of the video. Pretty Please !!
@seanalexandre5299
@seanalexandre5299 4 года назад
This was a good interview but it seems to cut off with Aron talking about a small town in Mexico. Is there going to be a part 2 of this interview? I would love to hear the rest of the story.
@onedaya_martian1238
@onedaya_martian1238 3 года назад
Me too. I didn't want the discussion to end...so maybe it is still going on ? Ha ha...but yes a part 2 would be great. Maybe Aaron's dog started chewing a cable. Of course Aaron has a dog, which is god spelled backwards.
@Ss17405168
@Ss17405168 Год назад
Whoever Jesus was or wasn't, his preaching against hypocrisy, corruption, abuse of the poor and weak,etc. That was what was important then. And that's what's important now.
@druidriley3163
@druidriley3163 Год назад
Well, he didn't really say anything against slavery or the oppression of women or the abuse of children, so....I'd say he was a man of his time
@Ss17405168
@Ss17405168 Год назад
@@druidriley3163 Well Druid, I think he did speak up for little children and women, I'll get the exact verses if you like.
@druidriley3163
@druidriley3163 Год назад
@@Ss17405168 Please do.
@MykolasGilbert
@MykolasGilbert Год назад
The reason I stop believing is one day, I was thinking why did god give us a brain and then have his messengers keep telling us NOT to use them!! And then I discovered Science! It wasn't wrong very often, but when it IS, Science IS happy to admit it! Now I'm happy because I can rely on science and they NEVER LIE to ME!!
@srslydoatm9251
@srslydoatm9251 3 года назад
I feel like I got smarter from just the comments alone
@have2behere477
@have2behere477 4 года назад
Jesus is now and forever shall be the largest "crimes against humanity" that has ever occurred on the planet and nothing can change that.
@raysalmon6566
@raysalmon6566 4 года назад
Are you upset because Jesus raised Jarius daughter from the dead?
@raysalmon6566
@raysalmon6566 4 года назад
@heilige Einfalt They are non existent
@raysalmon6566
@raysalmon6566 4 года назад
Highlighted reply. heilige Einfalt. . 5 hours ago. . @ray salmon Jesus and Jarius are only existent in a book called the Bible. Zeus and Herakles were existent in even more books back then.. . . No the the disciples of Jesus witnessed what Jesus did. Besides Jesus fullfilled prophecies that can not be invented
@raysalmon6566
@raysalmon6566 4 года назад
@heilige Einfalt That is ridiculous As your opinions have been
@raysalmon6566
@raysalmon6566 4 года назад
@heilige Einfalt Great then disprove Jerimiahs prophecies concerning the seige of Jerusalem
@brettwilson3427
@brettwilson3427 Год назад
I only recently discovered your show. Loving it. In response to your question, who would we like to have you interview, DM Murdock would be AWESOME!
@richardearnshaw2719
@richardearnshaw2719 Год назад
Yeah Derek! We all need to hear Aaron's Raar!! Representing reality 👍
@Steve-yn3cs
@Steve-yn3cs 3 года назад
"We are in the Last Days, We've been in the last days for two thousand years.😂😂" Lol. He got me....
@wendymitchell8245
@wendymitchell8245 2 года назад
If he knew anything about this prophecy he would know that was impossible . First is says the Jews would be scattered throughout the world,Jerusalem would be destroyed.The gospel would go to the whole world,then in the end times they would be forced back .They will rebuild the temple ,which will happen soon.Now we are in the last days.
@IOverlord
@IOverlord 10 месяцев назад
​@@wendymitchell8245And if the rapture doesn't happen, you folks gonna push for another adjustment, etc. I know you'll tell me to prepare for the rapture. But if the rapture doesn't happen when thia temple you are saying is built, then wake up and reassess your beliefs. Come back when your sober from all the Kool Aid
@wendymitchell8245
@wendymitchell8245 10 месяцев назад
@@IOverlord There are different views on the rapture. What is Kool Aid.? You must be American.
@sandraswannell4170
@sandraswannell4170 3 года назад
Love that you have Aron Ra. He’s the shit.
@mylesricker3095
@mylesricker3095 Год назад
You guys are my best friends and greatest support. Thank you
@jessicamarydubois4370
@jessicamarydubois4370 7 месяцев назад
Hey. I loved this discussion. I'm gradually deconstructing too! It's a difficult process at times! I totally get the fact that we can make ourselves see things 🙈 When I was a young child I clearly used to hear the sleighbells as Santa's sleigh landed on the roof of our house 🙈 and I mean I heard it as clear as day! 😅 ....crazy! But it did teach me that my mind can play serious tricks on me! The thing that gets me about Jesus is this..... If he didn't exist then why didn't anyone/many come forward and say so. The gospels were all written between 60 CE and 100 CE. 60 CE would be 30 odd years after the death of Jesus (if he actually died). 100 CE would 70 years. My grandmother died when I was 18...... almost 40 years ago. I remember her like yesterday and so would everyone else who knew her. I remember stories she told me. I remember things about her.... now, if I wrote a book about her life and most of it was fake, others would call me out on that. So how did they manage to keep everyone quiet? I realise there's a lot of myths that parallel his life but maybe the reason those myths replay over and over at different periods is because there's actually an important message in them for humanity? About the illiterate thing...well Mohammad didn't write....his followers wrote it all after his death. And back in the time of Jesus they had scribes... I'm not asking these things in an argumentative way...I'm open to learning Truth... Lastly, I agree about Religion being unbeneficial to humanity but Jesus for example, never once founded a religion. I'm going to check out Aron's channel 😊 Thank you 💚😊
@writemysoul
@writemysoul Год назад
I just love your videos. I have been a Christian for too long and discovering all this is so great
@theonlyway5298
@theonlyway5298 Год назад
What amazes me is how people who want to put themselves outside of Christian belief, will turn to someone like this, or anyone in fact, who will tell them something different, often telling them misleading claims and lies in the process, as the gentleman speaker in the video is in fact doing!....yet you believe him! He's making false claims in this video, but you don't even see it and probably are happy to embrace his deception.
@IOverlord
@IOverlord 10 месяцев назад
That's why you don't take what one person says as gospel. That's where theists fail and is wrong at. You ask the people who are well versed in their fields. What you want to take from Aron is the topics that he studied in academia about paleontology, evolution, etc.
@SummumBonum.
@SummumBonum. 3 года назад
Seven generations of gods sounds more plausible to me.
@faithless602
@faithless602 2 года назад
Hi Deryk (32 mins in) well said absolutely right and Hi to Aron Ra i always listen to
@ricardomachado6792
@ricardomachado6792 3 года назад
I've got these passings in Mathew and Luke were he tells his apostols that they are not going to die until he is come back and showed to many religious people that I know , and all of them say I am the one that don't understand what he said lol They just can't know the bullshit that is this book or they pretend they don't understand.
@plumbmaster7022
@plumbmaster7022 4 года назад
I believe each one of us are divine, don't give yours away to anyone or anything, like trickster gods
@richardho8283
@richardho8283 Год назад
I agree with Aron Ra. I had the same idea independently before I listen to him. Thank you Aaron for confirming my idea.
@exaucemayunga22
@exaucemayunga22 5 месяцев назад
The Bible became my favorite book after I deconverted. One of the best fiction books ever.
@guidefortheperplexed7301
@guidefortheperplexed7301 4 года назад
In the Zohar, Joseph is a metaphor for the forces of evolving history that are hidden from sight.
@jjw56
@jjw56 3 года назад
I enjoy both your points, especially Aron’s assessment of carrier and other critics. Now it would be fun to admit that the concept of god(s) and a spiritual sense was first contemplated by some dark skinned people; we are all one people, just The latest version of us (the least melanated faction) wasn’t in abundance during the time
@mmccrownus2406
@mmccrownus2406 2 года назад
Out of Africa has long been discredited PC mindless crap to reduce mankind to a mindless blob
@The_Ring_Leader
@The_Ring_Leader Год назад
" It's impossible to convince people with facts when they cling to their faith for answers." -Anonymous
@tfyoutalmbout
@tfyoutalmbout 3 года назад
Islam is schismatic between three different sects, so their ranking would drop as well.
@BobWidlefish
@BobWidlefish 4 года назад
From this day forward Aron will now be known as Aarahoon. So sayeth the almighty YHWH!
@hans-joachimbierwirth4727
@hans-joachimbierwirth4727 Год назад
The day he lost his first m, he also threw away a second one and an o. He went from being a mormon to being a moron, and without the m and the o that leaves a ron.
@borttorbbq2556
@borttorbbq2556 4 года назад
I don't know who you are I just saw Aron ra and I love his content systematic classification of life 3 years and it is amazing
@gratefulapostate3123
@gratefulapostate3123 4 года назад
The existence of a historical Jesus is such a mundane claim that it's not very interesting to me. The name "Jesus" ( Yeshua ) was as common in that era as the name "John" is today. Combine this fact with the Jewish, old testament prophesy that predicted the return of Yeshua ( Joshua ) to become King of Jews and free the Hebrew people from oppression, it would be surprising if there wasn't dozens of Jesus's claiming to be the new messiah. Imagine two thousand years from now hearing a story about a guy named John who preached a controversial doctrine, and was killed. Not exactly an extraordinary claim. But, if someone claimed that John performed, miracles, and rose from the dead, now that claim better be accompanied by some pretty impressive evidence. But if someone named Jesus lived and was crucified, well who cares!
@wallycleaver1046
@wallycleaver1046 4 года назад
Derek' by the way, you were trying to remember a guys name (about why we believe in a god) Possibly= Dr. Andy Thomson?
@MythVisionPodcast
@MythVisionPodcast 4 года назад
Yes
@megaton179
@megaton179 Год назад
Buddha multiplied rice cakes and had twelve disciplines. Also, Robert Bauval (involved with Egyptology) in some documentary pointed out a pre-Christian sculpture of, I think, Dionysus showing the Greek God nailed to a cross! Basically, a Greek pagan crucifix, pre-dating the time of Christ.
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