Scope Tracking Drill | Long-Range Rifle Shooting with Ryan Cleckner

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Ryan Cleckner explains that not all scopes track identically and offers a drill you can use to find out if your scope over or under tracks in both windage and elevation.
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@weilandjason 12 лет назад

Simple, Sensible, and I will bet most shooters don't have a clue, just like I didn't. Thank you.

@SpankytheTswana 8 лет назад

How beautiful was <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="107">1:47</a> - <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="115">1:55</a>? 1) He stops breathing & focuses on aim 2) There is silence 3) Cricket sounds (adding a natural 'epicness') 4) The shot itself ^^"

@ZeroBoostBuick 11 лет назад

Ryan Cleckner is a master at teaching, explaining and shooting... So glad I found his videos !!!

@DeadeyeSteve 12 лет назад

Easily one of the best rifle shooting educational videos on youtube. Concise, easily understood everyday language. X ring!

@SigCross 4 года назад

So happy I found this channel, I really appreciate the information and straightforward training.

@Ensign_Cthulhu 10 лет назад

Thank you for this helpful video. Explanation and demonstration on the target were very clear.

@houstoncowdog 8 лет назад

This video is an excellent simple explanation of spinning scope turrets. Thanks for posting.

@kingstoncowboy01 11 лет назад

You learn something everyday, Thanks!!

@sjohnson1776 12 лет назад

Awesome information! Thanks Ryan and NSSF! I will definitely use that drill next range trip.

@sg4682 7 лет назад

As always excellent demonstration. Concise and to the point

@apache2013 8 лет назад

Very informative, and detailed explanation. Thanks for posting.

@ratled1 12 лет назад

Ryan I'm digging your series of videos. Please keep them coming

@RyanCleckner 11 лет назад

Yes, there are many things shooters do. Some account for backlash, some account for lag, and some account for the spin of the Earth. I have never had the need to account for any of those (especially not with a quality scope). I am more interested in "functional" accuracy that can be performed on the spot in less than ideal conditions. I am not worried about taking an extra minute for 1/8 moa better accuracy. I'd rather shoot faster and be within 1 moa.

@jamespeters5913 7 лет назад

love to watch your LR videos....you have such a good way to explain things and make it easy to understand!! Same in you book, love your LRS book and I read it 3 times over now....you are my hero...haha....remember, I am a bloody rookie and need to learn a lot more....thanks Ryan!!

@djd8305 4 месяца назад

Excellent videos Ryan. Thanks.

@Champ33 Год назад

I’m learning much! Thank you.

@jorgegutierrez5377 7 лет назад

thank you Ryan!!!

@TheOneeyedclay 11 лет назад

Great Vid Ryan. Very helpful. Thanks ! !

@thefz1rider 12 лет назад

Nice clear video... Thanks.

@Richard5sf 12 лет назад

Great video!! Thanks!!

@richardobannon6301 11 лет назад

Excellent ,Excellent info

@ItsJustMeMcKee Год назад

This is a very informative video.

@imconfusedtwo9268 9 лет назад

Thanks...this would be good practice

@thomascronje4925 9 лет назад

Awesome! Thanks

@jando925 12 лет назад

Nice video great teacher keep them coming :)

@AppalachianFreedom 12 лет назад

Excellent!

@begforme4484 12 лет назад

Very good way to determine the quality of your scope.

@bradlehman1537 6 лет назад

Nice video.

@1titanking 11 лет назад

Good vid.

@gkuiper 10 лет назад

Great video Ryan.

@soxxpuppet 10 лет назад

I will definitely be doing this the next time I go to the range!

@EverythingisFire 12 лет назад

This guy is great.

@reggaetonmasta 11 лет назад

Why did you start out with the Vortex viper PST and then switch to the mark 4? Was the Viper not tracking??

@deangrow3080 7 лет назад

Hey Ryan, Your videos are very informative. Thank you Quick question: If your scope is sighted in at 100 yards dead stop zero, how do you go turn it down 3 minutes?? Thanks again

@MichaelTurvey1979 8 лет назад

The fact that all of the rounds hit the target slightly to the right could be just a slight variable in the wind conditions for that specific time. I say, it's pretty on point. This looks like a great exercise! I will definitely try it the next time I go to the range!

@11bravo80 7 месяцев назад

I'd say this guy doesn't need your advice😅😅😅

@andyprairiedog4829 11 лет назад

A much better way to check the tracking for scopes with much fewer rounds. I been using the 3 rds per group, move windage/elevation, shoot 3 more rds and so on until the 'box' is shot. This is much better....twice the adjustments moving around, fewer shots downrange. Especially with price of ammunition and reloading components out there nowadays.Thank you.

@MidMuffin 11 лет назад

i agree i have never known some of these things

@JohnKidd 9 лет назад

Great idea! I was thinking about how to evaluate this the other day. So, if you connect the corners to create a box and the box is essentially square and tilted at an angle, this could point to a scope mounting issue, specifically if the scope wasn't mounted level?

@DFOOSKING 11 лет назад

You should also shown how to test the tracking of the reticle. The reticle can be improperly placed sometimes even canted and therefore its measurements off.

@RangerCaptain11A 4 года назад

are you talking about just shooting a lower dot, then coming up three minutes, and hopefully the shots are on the same verticle line? you must make sure your target is level too.

@jericochavez209 Год назад

intense

@garyjrsonny 11 лет назад

@snowbroproductions It looks like the Karsten adjustable cheek rest.

@vdubin474 11 лет назад

Ryan, You use the eagle shooters pack on your rifle, but what type of adjustable cheek weld are you using on the 700 in this video. It's the black one with the tactical stock that has two screws to lock it into the height you need. Thanks

@jeremiahthomas1385 10 лет назад

Cool

@jwwasher 11 лет назад

In the machine shop, we worry about backlash. So, to avoid backlash one always approaches one's setting from the same "side". So, while I might always just dial in any clockwise turn of the turrets, I would always go past any counter clockwise settings, and the approach the desired setting with a few clicks clockwise. Have you ever considered "backlash" on a scopes turrets?

@jacontrol1 12 лет назад

Ryan, what gun is that? is that your Rem700 with a new stock? Looks like a Vortex scope, which one? Very good information, Thx always a great job.

@deadmemory1986 12 лет назад

Is there a significance to adjusting to three MOA as oppossed to 2 or 5 say?

@tgrghostrider 11 лет назад

Hey Ryan what stock is that?

@griffyrule6553 9 лет назад

You can simplify this, instead of doing a square, do a cross. Make an adjustment up 3 MOA, shoot. Then down 3 MOA, shoot. Left... then right. You should have an impact 3 inches directly above, below, to the left and to the right of the zero and your center.

@brianfield9252 9 лет назад

Good call. i like the box though because it allows you to make an adjustment on your wind and elevation instead of the cross which is one or the other. I think i will try the cross technique as well.

@SnowBroProductions 11 лет назад

hey Ryan, what is that cheek rest called, I was thinking about getting one, is it safe for synthetic stocks just drill and screw, or how does that work? Thanks (I have a adl 700).

@abcertweld 8 лет назад

lol giving away all the secrets lol. good stuff

@Burgerofthehill 7 лет назад

Is that a Vortex viper PST?

@belalhawamda1231 9 лет назад

How to calculate the diminution and wind speed and consider that

@IWillReportYouToTheCops 11 лет назад

is this tracking difference due to that little space in the gear teeth? when you go right and then turn it left again it seems the gear teeth float for a microsecond. what causes the difference there has to be a reason.

@JimmyGunXD556 12 лет назад

I would greatly appreciate any input as if FFP or SFP scopes are better than an another. My particular scope is 8.5x - 25x, and the BDC is married up to 20x. Is the rest of the range of my scope useless? Thanks.

@MrGuitars8 11 лет назад

Thank you for this video the information is very useful and I will put in use at the range .

@nathanielmarcum7093 11 лет назад

judging by the short action I would say it is another .308 The savage fcp .338 comes with the hs preisicion stock as well. the hunter in the .338 has the same stock or comparable to this one but the hunter does not have the fluted barrel.

@browneye77 11 лет назад

Thats definitely a short action receiver. The bolt has a Mauser style claw extractor and the bolt shroud has the three position safety. Ruger, FN, Winchester, and Kimber use that kind of safety but judging by the angle of the bolt handle I'd guess it's an FN/Winchester action..extremely accurate in the right hands.

@thomasmcknight6958 7 лет назад

can't wait to see what my brand new 30/06 can do

@wolflahti412 11 лет назад

This does not address adjustment lag, where you may need to fire two or three rounds after adjusting in order to allow the springs on the scope's internal erector tube to settle in. Some shooters rap their scope sharply instead of shooting, but I wouldn't feel comfortable doing that.

@RamiroUM 7 лет назад

Great vid Ryan: - Is that a Mosin in some fancy furniture?

@zakmang3074 6 лет назад

RamiroUM no a rem 700

@philipcrawford7415 5 лет назад

90% sure it's a Winchester Model 70. 100% sure it's not a Mosin Nagant or a Rem. 700

@mikuhatsunegoshujin 4 года назад

It's a modernized Krag.

@ELBOHOS 7 лет назад

Thanks for the great video Ryan. Can you tell me what type of scope you were using

@ronaldwynn5620 7 лет назад

he is using a vortex scope

@ELBOHOS 7 лет назад

Fireman 49 ... thank you

@ArmednSafe 12 лет назад

Why do you return the scope to zero between each shot? Thanks.

@ArmednSafe 12 лет назад

Is the scope error path dependent?

@1486luana 11 лет назад

looks like a Savage FCP 338 Lapua!

@mrBluethehappy 11 лет назад

what caliber of rifle is he shooting? just curious

@wolverinekut 5 лет назад

👍👏👏👏

@john1182 12 лет назад

Isn't it better to do this with more then 3 moa? Ive herd of scopes having different adjustments per click depending on how many revolutions the turret has done. So instead of just doing 3 moa do 40, etc. From what i understand the purpose of this to test what the actual value of each click is and this can be a minute amount (.25 vs .29 per click) might not seam like much but it cant be tested until you test the full range of the scope *This is mostly for long range accurate shooting tho.

@SuperImmunologist 9 лет назад

When you adjust the windage and elevation and parallax etc do you then just aim the adjustments you made on the target?

@Bobsonomatic 8 лет назад

+SuperImmunologist You aim at the bullseye on every shot. The purpose of the drill is to check the quality/consistency of the optic. Shot #1 goes on the bull, and then you adjust 3/3 up/right. Aim at the bull again, and your shot should be 3" high and 3" right.

@SuperImmunologist 8 лет назад

hence the term tracking

@SuperImmunologist 8 лет назад

I see

@MrAmilcarfuentes 12 лет назад

looks like a mcmillan a5 and a vortex viper pst

@Donnie387 7 лет назад

How far does the target need to be for this drill ? ( zero ) distance 100yds- 200yds etc?

@nickrobinson9503 4 года назад

Jordan Nguyen 100 would be easiest for your math work since most scopes “clicks” are 1/4 at 100 yards.

@01ANGELCAT 10 месяцев назад

Haven't had a chance to test if it holds zero, but mounts just fine and has nice clear glass. Centered vertically true to a plumb line with the crosshairs which is always a plus!It's a great ru-vid.comUgkxc4K63Fd5LglDMObu7-Bgapxp_ef0W8hE scope. There's no parallax adjustment or focus ring, so may be limited to 3-7x, have to see how it is on the range. Also be aware that the rings are "look through" so you can still use irons, but they are really tall if you only intend to use the optics. On a 22LR no biggie since I'm not shooting competitions or worried about a hard cheek press. Will boresight and range test, if all goes well, I'll leave it at that!

@dkalmar 11 лет назад

Noob here. What does track mean in this context? I fully expect commenters to be rude to noobs btw, have at it. The vid is very well done btw.

@s2bdrivr 8 лет назад

I think he spun the elevation turret the wrong direction on shot 6 to return to zero - edited?

@supertruckertom 9 лет назад

You can test out a scope by mounting it on an accurate 22 bolt action and shoot the box test at reduced range and double or triple the number of clicks you make. Centerfire ammo is expensive. With quality 22 ammo you can work around the box three or four times. If it passes the test on a 22 then mount it up on the big gun and repeat.

@kendyluu 7 лет назад

SuperTruckerTom this is wrong. A cheap$20-50 Bushnell or Tasco scope at Walmart might work fine on 22, doesn't mean it will work on centerfire rifle

@zakmang3074 6 лет назад

So do it with a 22 to make it cheap then repeat with a centerfire? Doesn’t that make it more expensive then just doing a normal way with centerfire

@ELDoro 10 лет назад

What does a target look like when the sight is not tracking properly? I mean no one is gunna put rounds right through the last one so how can you chalk it up to shooter error or the sight not tracking correctly?

@furai333 10 лет назад

You need to shoot at 100 yards. Then know your adjustment of the scope. For example mine is adjusted in MOA. At 100 yards 1MOA is equal to 1 inch. I know that for each click I turn my turrets, it moves 1/4 (quarter) inch at 100 yards. So according to the example if I move 3MOA(12 clicks) up and 3MOA(12 clicks) right the point of impact from center should be approximately 3 inches above and to the right. If you follow this and do it for all your points of impact should all be 3 inches up or down and left and right from center shot. If it does not look like that you know that you have a scope that does not track correctly. For example you move it 3MOA up and 3MOA right but your shot is only 2 inches up and 1.5inches down you know something is up. If you find it is not correct, you may have to go back and re zero the scope and try again, if it still is playing up make sure your adjustments are correct, ie 1/4 MOA not 1/8MOA. If all is correct then you will need to take it to the shop you bought it from and get it sorted. Hope that helps.

@steveduvall5981 9 лет назад

furai333 Thats right 333, and if youre lucky , your scope will re-zero when returned to its zero mark. If not, then you know you get what you pay for in scopes. Good luck.

@ZaneCradic 7 лет назад

Is this the magpul 700 sa stock?

@kendyluu 7 лет назад

Zane Cradic it's not aRem700. It's a FN SPR A3

@The_Hunter879 11 лет назад

A3 ?

@astondriver 11 лет назад

only problem I see it, is the rifle barrel has warmed up over the shots, so there will be some variation from that.

@RangerCaptain11A 4 года назад

it looked like a heavy barrel, and he wasn't shooting fast, so not too much deviation from heating. i recently shot with a lady with a light 'pencil barrel' and after three shots her groups opened up.

@CyprinusCarpioDiem 5 лет назад

Snipers in movoes are always made to seem like cocky assholes. Snipers in real life, intelligent and humble guys who were just going above and beyond their duty.

@LSD25 11 лет назад

what rifle is that?

@gatorred157 12 лет назад

yes i got back from range shooting firearms the Russian guns i have scout scopes one is a 25 yard gun it kicks and bolt operates stiff im backing load down, to 42 it don't like load i use on my other gun! it 2x-7x it shoot good at 50 yards, i use a 2.5 X on 25 yard gun! it got more kick then other gun too! there bad day guns for hunting! it grouped the factor loads good, but there not hunting rounds, believe me i can see changes in a gun too! it a good drill i left because horses coming today!

@iandavis590 8 лет назад

when i adjust my turrets it does the opposite of what the top of the turrets so it makes it harder to adjust when moving my moa i have to think backwards is it supposed to do this. might me a dumb question. so no smart alec remarks

@Zovatha 8 лет назад

+Ian Davis generally speaking adjustments refer to where the bullet will impact, not the movement of the reticle. Its almost "too intuitive" so try not to over think it. if you aim dead center and your rounds hit low, you want to adjust your turrets in the "up" direction however MOA are appropriate. Iron sights are the same way. I'm not saying there aren't some backwards scopes/sights out there, but I have yet to encounter them.

@10EPrecision 7 лет назад

Ian Davis trust the directions on top of the turret not the reticle movement on the target as you dial... For example if you shoot and hit low of your intended point of aim/target and follow the scope turret direction for "up" the scope reticle will actually track down on the target (visible if your are looking through the scope and dialing at the same time)... If you think about it the reticle is now below your intended point of aim/target and to correct that you have to bring the reticle and the muzzle of the rifle "up" to be on target again which in turn will correct your point of impact up.

@manolofdez3739 7 лет назад

hi, RYAN WHAT DISANCES IS THE TARGET?

@IlDeimos 7 лет назад

Manolo Fdez 100 yards I believe.

@heinamen 7 лет назад

to zero your firearm you shoot at 100 yards so yes this is 100 yards

@manolofdez3739 7 лет назад

thks

@richardelkins 4 года назад

@@heinamen You should zero your rifle for far point blank. This exercise was indeed at 100yds. I know that because he adjusted 3 moa which equaled 3" on the target. 1moa = 1" @ 100 yds.

@iandaous 9 лет назад

So the fact that he didn't make a perfect square, relative to the target lines, mean the target wasn't level, or his scope wasn't level to the ground? or both.

@Intrusive32 6 лет назад

iandaous the barrel heats up so it can affect the accuracy after a string of fire. Not every rifle will put bullet in bullet hole. So it could be minor shooter error or barrel problem

@michaelkim690 8 лет назад

Great video. Is this guy ex-military?

@stevenford4313 8 лет назад

Yep. Army sniper school instructor.

@mymicks21 8 лет назад

Sniper team leader in 1st Ranger Battalion and a sniper instructor

@RyanCleckner 8 лет назад

I was a sniper team leader in 1st Range Bn. I was a sniper instructor after I got out at a government contracted sniper school - I was never an instructor as the US Army Sniper School.

@CYOTsNiper 8 лет назад

Anyone know what rifle he's shooting ?

@abcertweld 8 лет назад

looked like a .308

@Intrusive32 6 лет назад

Probably a Remington 700

@CYOTsNiper 8 лет назад

Did he say what range this is done at?

@TheSpitfire6 8 лет назад

+Les Laxson Ryan Cleckner shooting at the 100-yard line

@jamhardproductions9400 8 лет назад

1000yrds

@zachhoward6374 7 лет назад

100,000yrds

@mossranchoutdoors7249 4 года назад

@@jamhardproductions9400 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@stranga4365 10 лет назад

it simply sees if the reticle ACTUALLY moves as much as the turrets says it does. ex. if you turn the turret (1/4"@100) one click the reticle should move 1/4". i know its kind of confusing, this is called tracking.

@RangerCaptain11A 4 года назад

so a 3 minute move is 12 clicks at 100 yds.

@jamicheallarson3718 10 лет назад

No I like new shooters. Tracking is the distance that the bullet travels in relation to each scope Moa. Ideally it should be perfect.

@Springr1911 12 лет назад

Looks like someone got new rifle...she's a beauty.

@GODISPOWER777 Год назад

When your shooting to make the box, are you aiming at that spot or do you aim at the center?

@ryan06ization 6 лет назад

The tracking looks good, but to me it looks like the scope may have been canted to the right slightly. A good level and problem solved.

@samuelkyle-whitson8632 11 лет назад

I dont know why I'm watching this, I'm only 13 years old. Lol

@jonastatu3607 4 года назад

Samuel Kyle-Whitson 6 years later and you can buy a rifle lmao

@nontimebomala2267 4 года назад

Ryan, that is not the best way to run that square BECAUSE setting your tracking back to zero every time tends to mitigate any errors in tracking. To calibrate AND measure your errors you should run the drill as described in this target: www.oldspooks.com/agstuff/Targets/calibration/turret-calibration.pdf You will then know exactly what your actual click value is in both X and Y. You will also then know the exact magnification to use for range finding if you are shooting an SFP scope.