SCOTTIE BARNES SCOUTING REPORT | 2021 NBA Draft | Toronto Raptors 

I’d be a big fan of seeing Scottie Barnes develop in Toronto.

Not with the 4th pic..lol

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There's been a lot of buzz about Scottie Barnes in the pre-draft process and, like you implied, he's probably in the conversation at the #4 pick. For me, picking him over Suggs would be a mistake. Suggs is miles better as a scorer right now (even taking into account that he has to improve there) and I'm worried about how Barnes' half-court offense will look like in the NBA. Barnes has heaps of potential with his height, length, feel, passing, and multipositional defense but if teams don't have to account for him offensively, that limits his upside.

@@FloorandCeiling And he's a Raptor now indeed

@@Trisof88 Yep. Slightly surprising to see him go at #4, but Barnes totally fits Toronto's mold like I said. Interested in seeing how he develops given the Raptors' great track record developing young stars

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Darn I'm right on about Barnes! I believe he can help the Raptors this coming season. We are young and can run. I'm not sure what Ujiri is going to do on the trades. If he's going to move players.

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Thanks for watching! I agree in terms of passing and strength (he is one of the more NBA-ready guys body wise), but his scoring really needs to develop. I worry he won’t be able to make full of use of what he’s good at if he is a complete non-threat in the half court.

I agree. As soon as he gets his shooting and overall scoring down, he will be a baller.

The second chance points thing translating has surprised me for sure, but I think I underestimated just how strong Scottie is and how good his feel is. His strength allows him to legit bully people off their spots, so it's easier to collect his own misses if no one is in position to contest him. Like you said, he's moving guys much bigger and older than him. The three has surprised me, if only because Scottie only shot 4 threes in one game once at Florida State. In the NBA, he's already had 13 games with 4 or more threes.

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Everyone looks good in an empty gym

@@bigfellamike1913 i mean atleast he hit it with confidence since there also a lot of scouts warching him

I agree with what both of you guys said. The jumper looks a lot better in that workout video, but I need to see him hitting it in an actual game first before I buy it. It's encouraging nonetheless, though. If he's able to make spot-up threes on a regular basis, that's already a big improvement.

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I agree that he plays winning basketball at the college level at least, but he needs to be able to do something offensively in the half court in the NBA so that opponents don’t ignore him. A lot of his game at the next level-passing, attacking closeouts, finding advantages on the floor-is sort of rendered useless if he isn’t given any attention at all. Thanks for watching!

@@FloorandCeiling yesyou're right.hope he can develop a jumpshot or floater or just drawing foul

Yeah, I think he can be one of the most versatile defenders in the NBA at some point but I wonder if that will neuter out if his half court game doesn’t develop to at least some extent.

But draymond is like a dpoy level defender at his best which offsets for his shooting plus draymonds playmaking def benefitted from the system/players he’s been with in golden state

@@willbartlett243 I agree with this. Draymond is a great and versatile player, but he’a also benefited from the shooting gravity that Curry+Klay(+KD) have. Even his best season was the one in which he shot 39% from three. We saw last season how Draymond isn’t as effective when he doesn’t have the personnel around him, which is the situation Barnes would probably land into when he’s drafted.

@@FloorandCeiling exactly which makes me think Scottie might be better served as a high level role player or complementary piece rather than a cornerstone but when you’re drafting in the lottery...talent is talent

@@FloorandCeiling This is why the Pelicans must draft him. 😏

I think everything is fixable with the right amount of time and work, but I will say that Scottie's shot probably needs a lot of retooling. It's really stiff and a long way from being effective at the NBA level. At least that's how it looked like at Florida State... maybe some major work is being done in the months between his last game for the Seminoles and his first game in the NBA. Regardless of whether the shot gets a major change or not, I'm most worried about his ability to score in the half court. He does a lot of good things with his passing, defense, and motor but I feel like Barnes tends to score on fluky-ish putbacks or wide open shots. He needs to become more versatile on this end (although a lot will also depend on how his NBA team uses him).

Keep in mind, though, that Simmons is a much better athlete both in terms of strength and explosiveness. Simmons overcomes a lot of his half court limitations partly because of his elite athleticism. Thanks for watching!

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@@FloorandCeiling i think barnes have a chance to be a better player because i think he’ll be a much better shooter. He’s also the better defender when they’re in college

@@arveearcita3122 He's the better college defender, but he hasn't shown anything in terms of half-court scoring imo. Simmons was taking threes and short jumpers at LSU (and even in the Summer League).

@@FloorandCeiling i agree but ben never tried as much as he should in that area. Being better in college doesn’t always mean it will be the same with pro’s

I’d be somewhat surprised but not totally shocked. Worth noting that Kuminga has been at Orlando Magic games lately, whatever that’s worth. Either way, both guys are the type of prospect that John Hammond tends to like but they both come with big improvement areas still. Barnes needs to prove that he can be relied on to score in a half court setting, while Kuminga’s shot doesn’t look fundamentally flawed but he really needs the percentages to catch up.

Lol he'll be a bust

i didnt hear that correctly he a what?

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Thanks for watching. I think that if he reaches his potential, he can be one of the main creators for his team, but I don't expect him to handle the ball as much in the NBA. Maybe I'll be proved wrong, though.

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U mean Bustapotamus

On the raptors, Unicorn for sure.

So far it looks like a unicorn.

Thanks! I'm really interested to see how Scottie develops in Toronto.

They will also be a nightmare to play with on offense

You're talking like Kendrick Perkins on ESPN last night now

@@FloorandCeiling Seriously, if you were to clone him as a player he’d be 1/2 Magic and 1/2 Rodman.

@@mbwell let’s wait till he plays a few games in the NBA before we call him a hybrid of 2 legends. Developing an offence when your awful on that side isn’t as easy as you think. The likely scenario is him turning into a Ben Simmons.

@@cola6309 I never said Rodman developed an offensive skill-set. Please read between the lines. But he does share some intangibles, like high enthusiasm, energy, passion for the game, and the will to get better. Unlike Ben Simmons, Scottie shares these traits with the legends.

@@mbwell Lol a lot of players share those qualities… He had a great first game but let’s wait awhile before calling him a legend.

Agreed that there's still some major questions about how Scottie will score at the NBA level. That's what I'm most worried about for sure despite his outstanding feel for the game and defensive versatility. Like you said, he also won't play the same role he did at Florida State most likely.

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It's tough because it depends on what I'm looking for exactly. If I am prioritizing passing, feel for the game, and defensive versatility, then Barnes has the upper hand-especially in the first two areas. But I also think that Kuminga is already a much more advanced scorer than Barnes is. I'm just really concerned about how Barnes will score productively in the half-court in the NBA because he's not particularly explosive, can't create off the dribble, and seems to get most of his buckets off rebounds or easy points. I also believe that Kuminga has defensive versatility which will always be there to be tapped into just due to his athleticism and physical gifts. If I want to win NOW, then I guess I'd go with Barnes. But if I'm looking for an all-star in 5 years, then I'd probably go Kuminga since I think he has an easier way there.

It'd be interesting to see if they can develop him in the Draymond Green mold for sure.

On g him and curry this year was turning the ball like hell i still like draymond in the warriors though🤣

There's some similarities, although Barnes is a much better defender than Simmons was coming out of LSU. However, Simmons is a much better athlete by a huge extent and a better playmaker.

@@FloorandCeiling which players in the lottery do you see best fit with the thunder (other than cade).

@@greninja3402 Good question and it’s tough because I think OKC should generally just pick the best player available since they have sooo many draft assets over the next few years. Ideally, I’d want them to swing for the most upside possible, so it’d be cool to see Ziaire Williams, Kai Jones or Jalen Johnson go to the Thunder if they land outside of the top 5. If they’re in the top 5, watch for Jonathan Kuminga imo since the Thunder really like those super athletic wings with an iffy shot but tons of potential.

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Bro R u even watching? Look at the way he moves with the ball at his size, OG Anunoby can’t move like that with the ball. He’s very fluid, his short shorts 🩳 & long arms make him look awkward but his movements has me very excited.. When he develops a 16-20 ft jumper he will be so in-guardable. U know the Kawhi hard dribble to the right/left pull up jumper.He has the explosiveness & def the coordination, with elite nba trainers he’s gonna be soo good. Suggs would of been good as well but Suggs will always be a 6’4 thin PG,Barnes can be a 6’9 Pointguard Triple Double machine if he wants it..Also I believe he will be on a all defensive team within 3 years. He seems to want it more then most on that end, he has the Raptor mentality, lead by example. If Lowry re-signs, then this pick would be a no brainer over Suggs. We don’t need Suggs, Lowry, FVV & Flynn all smaller guards who do the same things well.

@@rep6045 my man

I feel the same way. I was hoping for Suggs, I like Barnes and see the potential but he needs a lot of work on the offensive side. To top it off, Raps are already pretty abysmal in the half court. With Lowry potentially gone this season could end up a train wreck.

He is definitely one in a million. I think a decent player comp is Ben Simmons (with less explosiveness and dynamic ball handling) and Kyle Anderson (but more switchy on defense and a better passer). Barnes’ numbers are actually similar to Anderson’s at UCLA to an extent. Thanks for watching!

@@FloorandCeiling I actually thought of Kyle Anderson at first too!! Not quite as crafty as slow mo is while driving with his euro steps but another versatile defender with good passing skills for a bigger wing. Another great video looking forward to the next one

@@willbartlett243 thanks! Would be great for Barnes if he adds that type of nuance to his drives

Combo guard or big guard who can play SF

Assuming the Knicks have a pick in the late teens like they would now, then Jaden Springer makes sense if he’s still available. I think the Knicks will try to go for Lonzo Ball if he hits restricted free agency, however.

I need to see more of Wagner still, but I think his offense is a more advanced than Barnes’. Barnes is also a better defensive prospect imo, but they’re both looking at being drafted in a similar range. Thanks for watching like always!

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Orlando having an Isaac/Barnes pairing would make for tremendous defense, that’s for sure. The roster is also more fluid now after Vucevic and AG left. The problem for Orlando during many years was that they had TOO many front court options they needed to develop at once (Bamba, Isaac, Vucevic, Gordon...). Thanks for watching!

Eventually maybe, but I think it’s tough to project right now because he’s only played as a ballhandler at Florida State. He has the physical tools to play small-ball 5, but I am hesitant to judge this right now because we just haven’t seen it.

Like Dennis Rodman

Yep, I've mentioned this a few times and I think there's tons of similarities. To be honest, I think Anderson's great play during the play-in tournament might help boost Barnes' draft stock a bit more. Anderson was/is a little more advanced in terms of creating his own shot, though, which will be key for Barnes at the next level.

@@FloorandCeiling definitely I think the extra year in college helped Anderson a lot Barnes has to become more flexible/pliable on his jumper and handles he plays to upright

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@@matrixprodigy3679 Ain't no L. Scottie leads all rooks in mins on a bad team with no scorers. A 20 yr old one n done not 19, as a big man his avg's could be higher. His D not what it was raved to be. On overrated rookie class from the get-go

@@shaheedharun445 Lmao a hater who was proved wrong and still can’t appreciate greatness

@@lj5343 Greatness???? HAHAHAHA! Explain how it's proven wrong. You'll next label him your airness like MJ