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as someone who went in the system in the 70's at 10 months for 18yrs this film gives me ptsd.

Whatton D.C....... Terrible memories, it brings back. Won't wish the place likely until my earnings

Some movies with a gritty/raw vibe that come to my mind are the pusher trilogy and brat (brother), even Climax if we talk about more modern productions. I love that kind of hyper realistic / in the moment movies, another one is called "naked" by Mike Leigh, different, not action orientated but with the same feeling of walking behind someone and filming his life for what it is, without sugar coating the cinematic experience.

​@@gabrielegagliardi3956thank you for the recommendations, I've not heard of them before.

Exactly. You have these crazy people claiming we're in end times and life is worse now than ever. Those people are so clueless of our history. We live in safer times more now than ever before in recorded history. Even the average lifespan has increased. People just fold under pressure too easily these days because the media and social media are fear mongering the public and people buy into it.

@Dennis Menace I didn't either until I watched the commentary on the DVD.

Same with 'Porridge' (from what I remember)

@@zibbezabba2491 porridge the film had the song free inside by Joe Brown for the closing credits

Well done Nicky..

Interesting or plain fucking obvious?

Even the ass holes that raped davis joined in like if it wasnt their faults

I never watch that bit.

@Jamie Coulson your poor wife.

@@johnLennon255 Yeah never understood that part? I remember catching that years ago and thinking “hang on what have you got to feel angry about? You just took turns bumming him?!”

@@jayddt4183🐐 comment

Loved that revenge part...

How can you say you were an "innocent boy" if you were stealing cars? What did you expect them to do to you? Allow you to go on stealing cars? Cars are expensive, especially for someone who isn't rich. In America we have a saying, If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

Was in Portland 1988-99. Grenville house.

@@RaptorFromWeegee You're clearly confused (yanks are not the most perceptive at times...). There's no doubt that by "innocent boy", he means callow and naïve. As one is at 16.

@@hyena131 Naw, I'm not confused. We call that, "coping the babe in the woods routine". Doesn't sound like he was too callow or naive to be able to steal cars. If he'd run over your innocent child while stealing a car, I doubt you'd view him as innocent, callow, or naive. I was "innocent" too at 16 but I managed not to go around stealing things or endangering people. Didn't know anyone who did those things. We were brought up with values.

@@RaptorFromWeegee Oh hush with your daft, witless b/w clueless yank mentality...

I agree . I did Whatton D C in 1973 and this is what is was like . The 2 Borstals I attended were much easier . All the best . 👍🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

my mate from Sutton in Ashfield was in borstal quiet a few times in the mid 60s

Dover was a shit hole 😂

*"Soap is the yardstick of civilization"* *_Tyler Durden_*

Mark Twain says more or less the same shit

It could be a social anthropological experiment.

Then exiting them!!

Lee Marvin at Real Porridge Podcast

We are a great generation.. Old school..

I felt the same at the time...but after the same amount of time... well its still shocking. Powerful and funny...4737 Carlin Sir ....and I'm the fuckin daddy now....!!!!!!!!!

Origamipig@ same here. Yes it is a powerfull film! I first saw it in 1983 i think and that was 39 years ago. Hard to believe its 39 years ago. How are boys who are men really at age 18 not meant to hit the screws back when there just bullying them all the time. Especialy boys that are 6ft and bigger. Back then in 1979 6ft was seen as really big then at age 18, and still is big today. As most of the screws wernt 6ft then! But a think they had to be at least 5ft9" but there was one or two that didnt even look 5ft9 in the film. I thought it was just as powerfull or maybe more powerfull than "a sense of freedom" about jimmy boyle and that was a great film. Why did they stop borstal? Seemingly it had a good success rate as 50% of boys didnt go back to jail again as it was that bad. Now its more like supported accomadation and alot of guys admit that its easier inside than it is to live outside now becouse the system as a whole is failing them. There is very little help if any at all once they step out that door, the welfare system makes it near impossible to help them get money to live on? They have to go into a hostel with lots of addicts and with no money to live on? They cant get to see any one? Its like coming out of jail and going into an open one really! So no wonder they start drinking again, what are they meant to do? Its like there not meant to go forward.

What Tool!?

Fancy a pint? xx

It's not based on a real story

Of course… this film is purely fictional and nothing portrayed in this film never ever really happened in British Borstals….

The suicide scene is more disturbing, probably worse than the greenhouse scene

Don't forget, they were all volunteers

@@fretboardmaster70 Then why were the borstals shut?

You should of carried on being a criminal. This doesn't happen in jail.

@@tinman3952 well I went from a being a bit of a scrapper to growing Weed for 12 years so that lifestyle chilled me right out. 👍

@@tinman3952 I saw everything apart from the rape in my time in a YOI in '91. Constant attacks by inmates on other inmates along with 3 suicide attempts, 2 of them successful. One of them was a Vicars son. He wrote his boyfriends name in blood on the wall of his pad, I was only in for 3 months. Been on the straight and narrow for 30 years.

I figure since you have to be a piece of shit to survive, you leave a piece of shit, can you really get back from it?

@@tinman3952 what do you know about borstal in the 70's

@JustSomeBloke Doesn't surprise me. They can't match the quality and brutality of the original, and Hollywood ruins every remake of a film foreign to them anyway - cases in point: Let The Right One In, The Ring, Death Note.

Anywhere that people have that kind of control over people will lead to abuse.

That shit did happen and I'm afraid still does

Makes you think too of how much was covered up in real borstals by the government

Maybe take a look at the TV special 'Scared Strait', from 1978, or the movie, 'Short Eyes' from 1977. They were both filmed in ACTUAL correctional institutions, and they're both on RU-vid for free

Yeah I remember school teachers that had actually been in WW2. Their children were definitely worse or as bad. From the 70’s to the 80’s I remember the brutal teachers, most men but some women as well. I also recall the weirdo’s that would hang around the school gate and public toilets, luckily I never had a problem but my friend was nearly abducted walking home one day and we would never go to the toilets at the bus station. Now im older I recon these weirdo’s were war kids, maybe evacuees who were probably abused back in those dark times

Ccuon fort beat us

@@bobbiescrisps9208 Yes the schools i went to in the 70s early 80s the teachers were brutal,always remember a girl answering a female teacher back she jumped up and grabbed her hair , dragged her along the floor screaming, that was tame compared to some of the treatment us lads got.

@@kennymacdonald5313 I can see you are very articulate with words Kenny so why don't you elaborate and tell us all why it is garbage.

I'm finding myself drawn to Mecca 😅

That's right, Mr Greaves had all the compassion of a Nazi camp commandant.

@@andrewswift9039 Mr Greaves was just trying to read his paper in peace. Perhaps if that toerag Davis hadn't stolen Eckersley's radio, he'd not have been the recipient of a weapons grade bumming for his transgression leading to his night time theatrics, and Mr Greaves could have ogled his page 3 strumpet in serene surroundings.

@@gregoreisenhorn5093😂😂

@@gregoreisenhorn5093 Shut up, you turd, it's not funny.

@@andrewswift9039 true get ur sub normal head down lol

I would have said to myself "I'm going to die!!"

Oh Ray Winstone played "Carlin" who turned out to be the focal character. Was "Scum" a TV movie 1st? Cuz under Ray Winstone's Wikipedia - Filmography it has this movie "Scum" 1979, then under Television it has 1977 "Scum" - "Carlin" - TV movie. So wondering??? I think I've seen him before in one or a few things when he got older. Info says he was in the movie "The Departed" (2006) which was filmed here in Boston. It loosely took in about Boston's Irish mob boss, James "Whitey" Bulger, head of the "Winter Hill Gang" (based on Winter Hill in Somerville, Massachusetts. I little north and over to the West from Boston proper). But he was also in nearby Charlestown section of Boston, and South Boston, and all over. He was on the lamb for 16+ years. The Feds finally found him in ...... Santa Monica, California (I think it was). He was tried and convicted, sent to Fed Prison. He was old and had health issues. Ended up in a wheelchair in prison. He was murdered in prison by two other inmates. Clearly a "hit".

@@aspenrebel There was the BBC TV play that got banned for obvious reasons and went unviewed until mid to late naughties on DVD. And there is the cinema version (This) that you would be most familiar with.

@@johntrevy1 ok

Winstone was a hard bastard in real life and could handle himself...he boxed for England in his younger days 😉

Elliot Marsh Town be quiet when the intelligent people are speaking. Cretin.

@Elliot Marsh town weirdo

Same here in Australia 😢😾

He goes crashing White man’s motor cars and he gets white man’s stick

Jesus that sounds bad

Davis was helpless, getting treated like that and nobody caring must have been horrific

@@allthekingshorses7178 Well yes of course, why do you think he committed suicide by cutting his wrists after his ordeal?

How wonderful if the generous Me Sands to allow the young men to downs some time together in the greenhouse and make hot passionate love to his boyfriend. He even stayed and watched. I bet he gave himself a cheeky rub as he smiled with pleasure as James arrived inside Davis’s warm, innocent, tight little tullip. Soo good…

@@TonyDwight Are you a poet?

@@craigj.davies1983 I should be. A poet of love… Sooo good…

I think back then it was a case of scaring them into reform, instead most were emotionally scarred for life, could you imagine how anyone could live a normal life after being podged up the arse by three big lads? They wouldn't be able to walk past a B&Q or Homebase centre without having traumatic flashbacks.

A very powerful scene, but in the end they chose 3 ringleaders and trashed them.

Do you know what they were chanting before it kicked off! Been wondering that for decades!

@@zekeedwards9708 they were chanting dead, dead, dead, dead, in regards to Davis who was bummed in the potting shed,

@@garypart393 ahh cheers,

"Justice",ends up just beating the shite out of them.

Mr Sands was slyly pleasuring himself while watching the romantic union

I'm 52 and watching this for the first time. I forgot just how brutal the 70's could be.

Yes 100 % agreed, and why is the greenhouse scene the most replayed by far on here?? Dafuq!

Its 70s porn thats why!​@@pierrecibandit3877

​@@gregoreisenhorn5093he wasn't the only one!

Lmao!

Is in sum schools...

Not far wrong,some schools in south London at the time was a bit like that.

I bet she thought different when she saw the rape scene

It pretty much is in some places

You have never seen Australian films...

@@DANINREDDY Picnic At Hanging Rock was no picnic!

@@DANINREDDY romper stomper.

@@DANINREDDY with horrible dialect.No thanks!

@@TomRivieremusic 🖕

Thanks Thought it was a young Ray Winstone..!Such a great Actor no doubt..!(The Departed M.Scorsese.!)

Walked?. Do a lot of Westerns did Ray?.

Yeah that’s right apparently I read his part was going to go to a bloke from Glasgow or based on a Glaswegian until ray walked in 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿👍🏻

Also Phil Daniels got his break here another great UK actor

nonce

Hey a Kiwi cool .we had our borstal in the middle of nowhere north island in Waikeria .which along with state care and borstal basically produced harden men which went on to start all the gangs we got today

Archer: I was very drawn to Davis’s tullip Sir... Very drawn indeed.. Govner: TULLIP ARCHER?! Archer: Yes Sir.. Govner: Archer you will see the Chaplin tomorrow and there will be no more talk about Davis’s sweet, Devine, moist, TULLIP! Again do you understand? Archer: Yes Sir. Govner: Soo Good...

Only one was ground down.

I think that too. I showed this scene on my review of it.

Mr Duke is a liar and a thug like Banks

@@annescholey6546 they’re all thugs - the screws and the system is the scum.

Blake Davis certainly ain't no watered down play...

Absolutely, As iconic and cult as Quadrophenia which was also released the same year, 1979.

I watch this at least once a year. Just an absolute classic.

@@blakedavis1852 why did you ask then dude?

Damn, your Statement is Gospel.

No matter what kind of system you set up; Borstals, Reformatories, "Wellness Adjustment Action Centres", theres always going to be a shortage of competent trustworthy people willing to work in them. It'll mostly be wannabe cops and guys who can't make as much in a competitive trade. But you can't just allow people to go around committing crimes.

Why u ring that bell Don’t u know it’s an offence

Yes. So quick and unexpected. I was left aghast.

Poetic justice

That one, and "where's your tool?" taught me a few things many years ago. Mostly that I didn't want to pay the price of becoming a top dog. And also that you "always" have a way out - at least in the moment. But in the end, as Jordan Peterson says, noone ever gets away with anything.. There's always a price, you just can't always predict it.

Hilarity Ensues yeah it’s evil af

Harrowing? I thought it was hilarious. Still do

@@JohnSmith-su3ze You should see the original scene from the BBC version, the casting for the two rapists was bizarre.

I hate what they did to him

@@CaptainCharismaY2J Yeah that long haired wild thing bumming Davis lol.

God bless you and I hope you are doing better now.

❤️

lol

I can relate,, creator bless you, your not alone.

God Bless You Aaron Amen xxxxxxx And God Bless Your Earthly Life Time And Earthly Family Amen xxxxxxx

As Archer said, "A fully fledged humanitarian with a B.A in hatred"

Oh come on, they get a poppy, sometimes an entire wreath!... ironic that the British are in Afghanistan helping the opium to flourish .... if you're not in the forces then you're likely smacked out on a park-bench somewhere.... The chosen-race appoint paedos to be our politicians and we fight in their banker-wars.

You’re spot on 👍

you nailed it in 3 sentences,the corperations of the world need these young men to murder people in a foreign land ,and secure the goodies

And nothing has changed. They still have distain for the native scum that we are.

Weeb

*Carlin

Its just a film mate.

Well said

@Stanley Moon i would have beat him the most...pongo trying to hold his position, slasher just bring that right hand man, but eckelsy is just a little sniper, a grass, a pussy, lick arse the lot..the worst kind...

True, this movie was made FOR the British audience not the global audience which the modern British movie is.

USA 🇺🇸

Now they just try to make up for the lack of storyline with constant CGI. Can't remember the last time I saw a decent film... Scum is 10/10

That was good. Richards knew to keep his mouth shut after he got hit

Back, grass!!!

@@ToonFan62 that told him good and proper

It’s pool balls

@@David-vg8lx they're snooker balls , Google it

Hope you find peace Mark.

Hope you have healed ,children are listened to these days thankfully

I had the same shit mate...but I beat the crap out of all the fucking bully's in my life, every dog has its day...

dammit Mark.. I hope things worked out for you...greetings from South Africa

@@deborahkelly1948 and suffer the same abuse

@Russell Collier tv version

@Russell Collier I have that and the 40th blu ray indicator anniversary release

@Russell Collier first watched this as a kid 12-13 yrs old and it scared me

@@jameswinter9954 Oh, can you tell me some of the differences pls? This upscaled version looks really impressive to me because I've not seen it for about 10 years and that was when it was last on tv and that tv was a CRT !

When I was a very young boy, my mother used to punish me by making me sit on a tall stool in the kitchen and I wasn’t allowed to get off it until she said, it was very boring a bore-stool. A few times she squashed my big toes under the stool’s legs and bruised them badly, once my toe nails fell off and she burned my face with the kettle. And she constantly psychologically tortured me by telling me I was an accident and other ways. That’s why I never went to prison when I got older and probably explains why I turned out the way I am now. I learned fast at home being the youngest of 3 boys as well, my home was worse than borstal. I also had an older girl cousin and aunties who “helped” when my family took time off and there were plenty of bullies and scummers at school and on the estate to help out as well.

Nah! DRAMA

Bullshit

I remember it on that night too, it was 1994. Prince Naz won a boxing match earlier that night, can't remember who he was fighting but it had me in a great mood. Then I watched this..

Channel 4 in 1999/2000 i watched in for the first time then, unforgettable

@@deluxedjsireland224 the Prince!

can you tell more please? after I watched this film I looked at the suicide stats and was shocked, I really want to find more information on all of this.

The movie "Dog Pound" is a remake of this movie...granted it was made in 2010.

@@beer3029 Thanks for the heads up, ordered.

THERES A FILM CALLED ‘BORSTAL’ FROM THE PAST 5 YEARS (UK FILM) WHICH I CANT BE FUCKED WITH AFTER SEEING THIS ORIGINAL CLASSIC….

I loved him in Breaking Glass too.

He's a evil little sod the Richard's character Played very well by Phil Daniels

@@user-kl4bh4lq6r not really just a typical coward who wouldn't of got away with half of what he did if it wasn't for his mates

You're the daddy! Well done.

I could see a sort of smirk on sands face when he finds davis dead

The black guy thought it would be just fisticuffs...but realised that's not how whitey plays the game.

And now he's trying to get people to gamble on some seedy website

Fiona, you're on RU-vid, perhaps research and put together a short compilation of your favourite "Perfect Moments In Movies". If you give it a go, send me the link, I'll watch, like and share. You never know -it could very well be your calling to entertain a RU-vid following 👍

​@@jamesjameson4566And has played the same character in everything he does.

His was noticed and given the part specifically because of his walk alan saw him and thought it was perfect for the part he plays.

yes a very good film too

Excellent, Tim Roth is outstanding..

Oiiiiiiiiiiii! I WANT MY LUNCH!!!

Never heard of that film, gonna have to give it a watch

Same director. His film that stood out was Rita, Sue & Bob too.

He was in a couple of Sweeney episodes well before, though.

You're love is cruel

Wilhelm Hesse it’s a film not tv series

Joe Thomas it’s a movie based off a TV Series

TTIG no it’s not

@@joethomas8031 yes it is dumbass, the series was banned by the BBC because it was too disturbing/realistic. Then they turned it into a theatrical picture.

Now you need to watch Made in Britain :)) Tim Roth's debut, brilliant.

Afraid it done nothing to put me off crime just strengthened my hatred fo authority

I've been in prison when men died of heart attacks and strokes while screws ignored their pleas fo help.there were never any repercussions or enquiries same when people hung themselves

Ha ha and the way he chuckled like he robbed a sweet shop or summit

But I don’t smoke Ya fucking do now poufta there’s no dolly mixtures in here ! Classic 👍🏻🇬🇧

This is my favourite film and i think that's my favourite line in the whole thing. In the book version which the writer wrote after the films, it's different. It's said "with disgust" but I feel it's better this way. 😂

Yeah kind of reminds me of Trainspotting, only 90 minutes long but every scene just as poignant as the one before and after it.

This is a good description of what the authorities were like in those days is it any wonder that many of those who went through these places came out worse than they were and ioln

Like get Carter and all I wonder too.

I remember first watching this and all the actors were older than me

Thats 'cos you (and I!) are getting older and older! LOL

Exactly it's like Stallone in the early Rocky movies. You know you're getting older when he starts to look younger than you.

Believe me mate the first time i watched this film was when i was about 15 and now im 42 years old so your not alone mate,,lol..

Greaves really was a b@stard towards Davis in this film. Mind you, the majority of staff were highly unpleasant individuals - the possible exception being Duke. That "governor" was by far and away the most detestable... wouldn't be sad if I'd heard he'd poisoned himself. I'm completely serious.

Best you don't watch him in The Black Widow then. 🤣

Yup. Still playing the one character after all these years. 😆

@@Debagio Not seen Black Widow then eh? 🤦🏻‍♂️

@@chemeister Admittedly, no. Any good?

@@Debagio No. Ray is the Russian baddie. He's not great at accents. 😂

They certainly are rumbunctious scamps.

Where are you From ?

@@freddiem1963 I am a knight and adventurer from the fabled golden city of Birmingham.

Those scaly wags do cause a ruckus i shake my fist at them in utter disbelief at their tomfoolery

This made me laugh 😆

It's even better than by today's standards!

@@nicky29031977 I'll have to agree with that statement.

Hello Paul

Yeah same, I'd even say this film helped keep me out of serious trouble.

Todays standards have fallen off a cliff compared to this

this version ( theatrical ) deffo has the best archer, in the original release although the dialogue is muchly the same, the actor doesnt portray archer as well as this one. ( ive got both versions )

Kudos to you not many people realise there two verision the original BBC version banned for obvious 1977 reasons then re filmed for a theatre realise in1979 with one change as far as I rember which you named rays finest work were your tool ❤️🇬🇧🙃 andy

@@PorkysGaming I think you're right. As much as I love David Threlfall, I think Mick Ford nails 'Archer'. Seen both actors in the theatre, long ago, and they were superb. Btw, Ford also played a character called 'Archer' in the excellent 90s series, 'Harry'.

@@chef-mumbles1970 in the origional Carling ( ray ) had a missus inside, and it was hinting more towards homosexuality, obviously in the theatrical release this was cut. Also a couple of the screws play different screws in the theatrical release. Another diffenrence is the uniform, and colours of the borstal, in the origional it was a greenish uniform and walls, and in the remake they was weaing blue. In the theatrical carling swings the pool balls in a sock once, in the original he hits with them multiple times. there are a few differences many are not noticed

@@chef-mumbles1970 If you search some of the more prolific torrent sites, you can find both versions, albeit the banned release is in very poor quality as a rule - ripped from a VHS tape and in dire need of a clean up. The Internet Archive used to have a good copy of the banned version, which I managed to grab years ago and I cleaned it up myself. However, with my ISP, I can't share things over torrent and I'm sure RU-vid would take it down if I posted it here. I've dropped it on a few FTP sites over the years though! And I have a copy and a backup. So it's safe! The world won't lose it! XD

Not for me. I’m grateful to the screws. Later on after my delicious love making in the greenhouse I learned my place in the pecking order and I became a barrister and I convicted these three c()£s who called themselves “The musical youth” for smoking weed. For some reason they walked out of court without one officer stopping them singing “Pass the Dutchie on the left hand side”... Weird... Soo Good...

Pervert

I hope every single one of those sadists who carried out such abuses in real life in those brutal institutions will be brought to justice! I hope the victims come forward and speak out.

@@evertonporter7887 100% mate, i hope they all get punished and let the inmates deal with them

Most end up in prison as adults, often for long terms or life, or dead. That is the reality of it. Most have fathers, or parents, who aren't any better, or went thru the same as teens.

He doesn't know how to play anything else

He's the best

Nah. He was Arnie in Minder after this. A cheerful mechanic but dumb as fuck.

@@mars7934 and auf weidersen pet

@@terryfahey8191 Yes! The squaddie on the run.

117.00 - the GREEN-HOUSE scene...to save anyone the time.

I wasn't exactly referring to that, but that definitely was an uncomfortable scene with a tragic outcome.

Always annoyed the rapists never got theirs from Carlin

@@SouthJerseySam The Grin from the screw watching is most disturbing

Wasn't the original ,the firm, starring Gary Oldman one of Alan Clarkes? Its also a great film with some other really recognisable before their prime actors.