SDA Trinity Verses - Nader Mansour 

Kathy Main: Kathy, every one I know of who has been outspoken about the omega of apostasy (the trinity) has been ordered not to talk about it to others (to sell their truth) and if they refused the gag order have been asked or threatened into removing themselves from the congregation. Many have been disfellowshipped. Thus they try to cut you off (kill you) so others cannot 'buy' of your truth. Be as harmless as a dove and as wise as a serpent. Ask questions that will make people begin to question their blind guides and pray the spirit of God is able to open their eyes to truly seeking to worship the Father in spirit and in truth.

They won't listen. They love their false doctrine too much. I don't have any theological degrees or formal training/education other than regular pre-baptismal bible studies, yet when I ask my Pastor, who has had a theological education and has at least a degree, for bible studies on the subject on the Trinity without taking scripture out of context, I was either ignored or met with every excuse you can imagine including the comment, "years ago, I promised myself not to fight with anyone who isn't my enemy." I had to remind him that I wasn't asking for a fight. I was asking for a bible study. With his educational background, if the trinity doctrine is true, and the bible really did teach and support it, then he should be able to tie me up in knots and run rings around me, but it seems he's terrified to go near the subject. One Elder, during a phone call, LITERALLY changed the words in the bible in order to get it to fit his trinity doctrine. That's how deep this absurd spurious and ridiculous doctrine is now embedded into the SDA Church. They won't listen.

@@sasquatchmeridian3094 I name dropped Nader Monsour today to a friend of mine today but she didn't write it down so I doubt if she will look it up. I know God will provide the right circumstances. If they won't listen, then that's on them and I have done what I can. I have 2 or 3 others that I hope to approach. Please pray for tyhem anyone who can.

How are you doing now? Still attending a SDA church?

@@XxAlex530xX no absolutely not! Home study and worship for us. Hope to go and worship in Newark UK next month with pastor Emmanuel. As far as I know there are no independent churches here. Thank you for asking. Wishing you a blessed preparation day

Grace and peace from God the Father and Lord Jesus Christ.

The so called "holy trinity" is nothing more than a satanic deception. "There is only One GOD and One Mediator between GOD and man, the man, Yahoshua Ha'Meshiach."

Amen brother..

@DICKSON NYABUTO - Amen! I completely agree!

@@godisgood9438 : not so.....read Rev.21 -22. There are 2 that share the throne on the earth made new: the Almighty God (Father) and the Lamb are there. JESUS is not the Almighty and Ancient of Days. That title belongs to the One True God, the Father, not the Son. He is the Prince and Majesty of Heaven and our High Priest. The Priest cannot be the All mighty God that he makes intercession with in the most holy place to to most high God. Study the Sanctuary.

@@godisgood9438 The Father is the Almighty God, not Jesus the Son. Read Rev. 21. God Almighty, and the Lamb have their throne in the earth made new. How can our high Priest intercede for us to himself if Jesus is the Almighty? Makes no sense. Study the Sanctuary.

Debra Collins + Even if God and His Son manifest physically, they’ll still be looking for an imaginary 3rd person. That is part of the corrupt nature of man...... creating images

God is Holy God is Spirit and there is only one Spirit

@@gustavmahler1466 God is the source of the Holy Spirit. Let us worship the source and not the one coming out from the Source.. Trinity is a lie peddled by Satan intended to divert the true worship of God, the Father and of His Son by Satan. The Father and the Son are the ruling power of heavens and of the Earth, they are the God -Son tandem, worthy of praise and worship, now and forever.

@@shensha927 The Trinity is a false doctrine

Well said. Eve came forth from the bosom of Adam. Jesus was brought forth from the bosom of the Father, the One True God (Proverbs 8). Man made in the "likeness" and image of the Father and the Son.

EXCELLENT point! Just to add to that, I often ask Trinitarians this simple (for non-trinitarians) question: Who is Jesus' Father? He said that God the Father was/is His Father, but the Bible; the infallable word of God PLAINLY and CLEARLY states in Matthew 1:20 that He was conceived (fathered) by the Holy Ghost. So either: 1. Jesus didn't know who His father was/is 2. Jesus LIED about who his father was/is 3. Jesus has TWO fathers 4. The Bible; the infallable word of God is wrong ...and therefore God makes mistake and is NOT omniscient. ...or 5. The Bible does NOT teach anything about a trinity I've yet to get a single answer from a trinitarian on that simple non-trick question. They ALWAYS choose to avoid answering by introducing some other point, or just changing the subject entirely. Try it and see for yourself.

@@lordmozart2012 Amen Brother. Great points you raised too.

@@lordmozart2012 Are u muslim? Although I agree that the Trinity is false, I feel u threw some red herrings in there.

@@bostonredsox1407 No, I most certainly am NOT Muslim, but what if I were? The trinity doctrine would STILL be false, unscriptural and stupid. You thinking I threw some kind of red herrings is just your imagination running wild. I simply made a plain statement about just ONE of the questions I often ask Trinitarians, which if the doctrine they say is true, really was true and biblical, they ought to be able to answer, but they can't. Where's the red herring in that? In fact, I don't even want to know. Think what you want to think.

@@lordmozart2012 I talk to Muslims all the time and you sounded like them, that's all. I do agree with your views on the Trinity but some of the points you made were off when I read them. Just stating my opinion bro that's all.

He explained it in the video.

It means that the nature He has. He's in that category of beings. He's Divine, not created. But he's not the one true God of the Bible.

The Father is the only true God QUANTITATIVELY (John 17:3) and the Son is a true God QUALITATIVELY by virtue of his being begotten (Heb 1:5, 8). This illustration is best understood thru the creation of man as the image of God: Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. The man is called Adam QUANTITATIVELY (Gen 5:1). The female is called Adam also QUALITATIVELY (Gen 5:2).

@@Revelation1412org you mean they are the same in being but when it comes to powers and authority the father is greater or above Jesus?.is that what you mean?thankyou so much for the response.

@@dantegabuya1454 A peculiar choice of words and in my opinion? Not inaccurate. In support, my understanding is expressed as such... Christ IS NOT God in Identity. Christ IS God in substance.

Find out what 1 SAMUEL 10:6 means when you understand it, you will understand JOHN 14:16

Keep reading the same chapter and Jesus himself explains what he meant, and Judas' response shows what the disciples understood him to mean. He [Jesus] clearly states that the comforter is HIMSELF. He says "I will come to you" (verse 18) and then he said he and His Father will come and make our abode with you. (verse 23). [16] And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; [17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. [22] Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? Judas' response clearly shows that he understood that Jesus was refering to himself in the third person. This was a common practice that Jesus had. Many times he spoke about "The son of man" as though he was speaking of someone else, when in fact, he was refering to himself. It's all in the same chapter, just keep reading and don't just stop and isolate one verse.

Jesus is speaking in the third person when he speaks of the Comforter. He is referring to himself, I will be with you always.

HOW DID GOD HIMSELF BECOME A MAN/

10:50 : Only one person, the Father of us all( malachi) Notice: In the beginning God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.” But sin has almost obliterated the moral image of God in human beings. Jesus came down to our world that He might give us a living example, that we might know how to live and how to keep the way of the Lord. He was the image of the Father. His beautiful and spotless character is before us as an example for us to imitate. We must study and copy and follow Jesus Christ, then we shall bring His loveliness and beauty into our character. In doing this we are standing before God through faith, winning back by conflict with the powers of darkness the power of self-control, the love of God that Adam lost.-Manuscript 6a, 1886 (Sermons and Talks, vol. 1, pp. 31-34). {CTr 43.6} Christ as the Everlasting Father: Isaiah 9: 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

It reveals no such thing. So, according to the definition of the Trinity when applied to this verse, "...there am I (Jesus) and now the Lord God (God the Father, God The Son and God The Holy Spirit) hath sent me (Jesus)"? Does that even begin to make any kind of sense at all? Jesus and two other beings sent Jesus? As in the video, just apply the same reasoning, and ask the same questions. Is this verse describing the relationship between the "I" the Lord God, and His Spirit? No. Is His Spirit, a separate individual from God? No, it is HIS Spirit; the Spirit that he owns/possesses. Remember, Isaiah was the one (as well as Moses in Deuteronomy) that said "I am God and there is NONE else beside me. (Isaiah 45:5,6,21). So the question is now, do you think Isaiah while being inspired by the Holy Spirit wrote and contradicted himself and Moses? Is then the Bible, the infallible word of God wrong on that point ...which would naturally mean God made a mistake and is not therefore NOT omniscient? I'm sure you don't believe that. The part of this video dealing with Matthew 28:19 should have made it all crystal clear if none of the others quite did. ...go and teach all nations all the things that Jesus taught... Well what did Jesus teach concerning who the God of the Bible is? Where did Jesus teach that God is some sort of committee made up of three persons? Why didn't he correct the scribe instead of endorsing him, when he agreed with Jesus and expanded on what Jesus said, that there is but ONE god, and NONE else but HE (singular, not THEM plural)? That's what Jesus taught, and that's what his followers such as Paul affirmed that he taught, when over and over again, he says that there is ONE God who happens to be the Father of Jesus, and Jesus is the Son of God. Jesus taught that, Paul taught that, Peter taught that, James taught that and John taught that. Christ came out of the Father (was begotten/born), and had his Glory way back in the days of eternity before anything was made. He had the same glory as the Father from then. By the time Isaiah came on the scene, when God says He will not GIVE his glory with another, he is simply saying or will not GIVE His glory to anyone else (specifically false gods/idols).

The Spirit is God, the Father, His very presence with us. Isaiah 48 makes no conclusion of a 3rd Being called the holy Spirit. The Spirit OF God is given to His Son, Jesus, who promises us His Spirit in baptism. John came baptizing with water but Jesus with fire and the Holy Spirit. God sent down from Heaven His Spirit in the form of dove of great light upon His Son. God put His Spirit in His Son. It's by this Spirit that the Father and the Son can abide in us. We either have the spirit of God abiding in our hearts, or the spirit of the devil. Is either one of these Beings literally in us, or by their spirit?

There's a God, not _the blasphemous Gods_ sitting on the Throne in heaven: There's a Throne, not _Three or Two_ Thrones. Revelation 4:5 And from *the throne* came out lightnings and sounds and thunders, and seven torches of fire were burning before the throne, which are the seven spirits of God. Revelation 5:6 And I saw in the midst of the throne and of the four living creatures and in the midst of the elders a Lamb standing as though slaughtered, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent into all the earth. Revelation 7:10 And they were crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation to our *God who is seated on the throne,* and to the Lamb!” Revelation 7:11 And all the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell down on their faces before *the throne and worshiped God,* Revelation 7:15 Because of this, they are before *the throne of God,* and they serve him day and night in his temple, and *the one who is seated on the throne will shelter them.* (Notice: singular person sitting on the throne, singular throne) (Who is the one seated on the throne that will shelter them? Jesus! Read the next verse!) Revelation 7:17 because *the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them* and will lead them to springs of living waters, and *God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”* (Who is God, if Jesus is sitting on the throne? God is Jesus! 1 God!) Revelation 11:16 And the twenty-four elders who are seated on their thrones before God fell down on their faces and worshiped God, Revelation 12:5 And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is going to shepherd all the nations with an iron rod, and her child was snatched away to God and to his throne. Revelation 19:4 And the twenty-four elders and the four living creatures fell down and worshiped *God who is seated on the throne,* saying, “Amen! Hallelujah!” Revelation 19:5 And a voice came out from the throne, saying, “Praise our God all his slaves, and those who fear him, the small and the great!” Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat down on them, and authority to judge was granted to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of the testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and did not receive the mark on their forehead and on their hand, and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. Revelation 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling of God is with humanity, and he will take up residence with them, and they will be his people and God himself will be with them.* (Notice: 1 God, not 2 _Gods._) Revelation 22:1 [ Paradise Restored ] And he showed me the river of the water of life, clear as crystal, coming out from *the throne of God and of the Lamb* (Notice: 1 Throne, 1 God on it; that 1 God is the Lamb too, as a title!) Revelation 22:3 And there will not be any curse any longer, and *the throne of God and of the Lamb* will be in it, and his slaves will serve him, (Notice: the _throne_ (singular) of God and of the Lamb, similar to the _name_ (singular) of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit in Matthew 28:19, which is JESUS CHRIST!) GLORY TO JESUS, OUR GOD, AND HIS FATHER, WHO IS HIMSELF IN HIS SPIRIT FORM!

@@holychildofgod3778 The Father calls the Son ''God'' Hebrews 1:8 in the next verse 9 the Father says ''your God'' two Gods not one

Hebrew 1:8-9 If you think that the Father is talking to his Son you are Lost. There was a word added in Hebrew 1:8 and that first word is not written in the original text. Compare Hebrew 1:8 and psalms 45:6 How you gonna explain it now, without contradicting

NO three God. NO two God. one God DEUROTORNOMIO 6:4. MARCOS 12: 29 . OK .

@@jarneyjardeniano6166 Psalms 45:6 Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever, and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom. Hebrews 1:8 But about the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever, and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom. There is no corruption. Do not serve the devil, the father of lies, by spreading lies, please!

Did you feed your rib lately?😁

Eve didnt exist until after Jesus took out Adams rib. She wasnt living in Adam before that or there would have been no reason for Adam to need a companion, he could have talked to himself.

@@kathymain578 the Son of God is not present at the beginning when God created the Heaven and the earth but the sacrifice was already created in the mind of God. when the God Created the Heaven and the earth.

This is the Church, The Woman, The Wife Here comes Adam being put in a deep sleep and God took one of his ribs. Eve was here, the same day God made Adam. Genesis 5:1-3 eve don't have the same Form, passion or likeness but she was in a Body. Genesis 5:1-3 is telling us what happened in that day. God made Man. What else God do in his creation? In the likeness of God, Made he him, singular. Male and famale created he them. When God made Adam, Eve was already in there. She was just a rib. She was no Form but there name called, Adam. God established what happened when you married. You are no longer two. You are one flesh. That is why the Woman take the same name of the Man she is going to Married. The day God made Adam, he made for them to be one. The Woman came from the Man. What you think happened to Jesus Christ.? Here comes Jesus Christ be the second Adam, having the same shape, same Form, same passion, same likeness of the first Adam. The first Adam has the Same Father Jesus has. Which was God. That is why he is called Son of God God own that Son, He is the owner of that Son. The Father own it. That is why God made him in his own image, Form, passion and likeness. He is called Son of the highest and in fact he is the perfect representative of the Spirit that was in it. Now, here come Jesus nailed on the cross. The second Adam. Wounded in our transgressions. When the Soldier pierced him in side here comes blood and water. Another woman will come. These are those who redeemed by blood and water. The Church, the bride. God will do the same thing with the Church what Adam done with eve. God present eve to Adam. God will present to himself a glorious Church. This is were the Woman is called the Church. This is the church that is purchased by His blood. The first Adam introduced Sin into the World. The Second Adam was made to take away the Sins of the World.

@@jarneyjardeniano6166 Jesus created us, not the Father.

israel pohthmi: the trinity is the cornerstone dogma of the Roman Catholic mother, all her harlot daughters have returned to her fold. If the beast mark won't be taken in the hand (by what you do ) then you may well be deceived into taking the mark in the forehead (by who or what you worship) it does not take to long to study historical facts concerning the emergence of the trinity dogma and, when you are well armed with truth, the cracks will begin to appear with great clarity, but ONLY and I do mean ONLY - if you love truth more than the lie.

@@sasquatchmeridian3094 - Amen!

So the Roman Catholic Church that you say God supposedly built, persecuted and martyred the apostles, and other early Christians, then, right? And THAT was when the church was pure before all the pagan nonsense crept into it. And as if that wasn't bad enough they then went and martyred countless millions more Christians throughout the dark ages. This Roman Catholic Church that you say God supposedly built didn't stop there though. It has introduced confessing your sins to sinful men (priests) and praying to dead saints - who are/were all themselves in need of salvation - for forgiveness and for protection and other blessings, Sunday worship in place of the seventh-day sabbath, the false trinity god, Pagan festivals such as Christmas and Easter etc, forbids the clergy from marrying, so that they end up relieving their pent up frustrations and passions by abusing children (paedophiles) and fornicating with nuns, occasionally making them pregnant, even though God says in his word the Bible that they can and should marry. They've introduced the use and worship of so-called "holy relics" in services, removes Jesus as the head of the church and placed the Pope in His place, banned the Bible; the Word of God from the common people, and they fulfil Bible prophecy as being the little horn in the book of Daniel and the woman with the names of Blasphemy: the mother of harlots written on her forehead while riding the beast in Revelation?

Greetings to YOU. Continue preaching the truth to our dying world.i was in the trap ,preaching the trinity theory for thirty years ,until 2017 ,!when GOd opened my eyes. Then i stopped there and then.praise God.

@@lordmozart2012 A well orchestrated polemic...Lord Mozart...you hit all the 'chords'.