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Se7en (1995) First Time Watching! Movie Reaction!! 

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Seven (1995)
I mean if he's Satan himself, that might live up to our expectations, but he's not the devil. He's just a man.
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@TBRSchmitt
@TBRSchmitt 2 года назад
A masterfully made movie that left us pretty broken! David Fincher knocks it out of the park again! What are some other David Fincher or similar type movies you would recommend!? Thank you for the support!
@taya12020
@taya12020 2 года назад
You have to see Zodiac. It's Fincher's masterpiece. Gone Girl too.
@theponyisday
@theponyisday 2 года назад
Well these are definitely not David Fincher movies, but some hood classics would be nice such as Paid In Full, Training Day, Menace II society, Belly, Boyz N The Hood, American Gangster, City Of God etc Snow On The Bluff would shock you to your core. You went through all the mob movies, now it’s time for the hood shit 😂
@LandonMetochoi
@LandonMetochoi 2 года назад
All of them, but Gone Girl and Social Network are the best
@grendelz
@grendelz 2 года назад
Girl With the Dragon Tattoo
@altafkalam2716
@altafkalam2716 2 года назад
Zodiac! By Fincher again
@randalthor741
@randalthor741 2 года назад
This is one of those rare Hollywood movies where the badguy wins hands-down. When Seven came out, none of the marketing included Kevin Spacy, and his name was not in the opening credits, because they didn't want to ruin the mystique by having audiences know who the villain was in advance. I saw this in the theatre when it was new, and man I'm glad I went to a matinee, because when I got outside it was bright and sunny which really helped to distance me from the dark, depressing movie...
@L3M0N4NDCH3RRYZZ
@L3M0N4NDCH3RRYZZ 2 года назад
This is why I love this movie so much, one of the few movies where they had the balls to have the bad guy outplay the good guys.
@extantsanity
@extantsanity 2 года назад
@@L3M0N4NDCH3RRYZZ They only outplayed the good guys by having the good guys (and everyone else) be dumb as hell. I would respect this movie 100% more if the bullet that went through John Doe's brain was the last one in the revolver, rather than the first. Brad Pitt's character gave John Doe the easiest possible ending, when there are so many organs in the human body required to sustain life.
@KARMA_Camilla
@KARMA_Camilla 2 года назад
@@extantsanity Mills became Rage and when you are enraged, I mean TRULY enraged, you don't spend time contemplating making the other person suffer, you just react without thinking.
@brianjones8432
@brianjones8432 2 года назад
Isn't it funny how Hollywood really only does that on rare occasion, yet when it happens it almost always makes for an amazing experience. The Dark Knight is another example. The Joker clearly wins and the movie was an instant classic. Granted, it takes a stellar cast, incredible writing, and great director at the helm to pull that kind of scenario off, but when it works it's cinematic gold.
@codyschiemann4732
@codyschiemann4732 2 года назад
came here to say this about Kevin Spacy... he wasnt at a premier, he wasnt in the posters, or even talked about...
@chaost4544
@chaost4544 2 года назад
The actors didn't know that Sloth was supposed to be alive so everyone's reaction in that scene is a genuine jump scare.
@thecoogs
@thecoogs 2 года назад
Similar to alien
@osmanyousif7849
@osmanyousif7849 2 года назад
I'm actually surprise that nobody shot the poor bastard just because of that. It's like a real life zombie just woke up.
@riseofazrael
@riseofazrael 2 года назад
Amazing, never knew that
@RolandDeschain1
@RolandDeschain1 2 года назад
I saw it in the cinema and I very nearly pissed my pants when he came back to life.
@terogates1
@terogates1 2 года назад
I was like wait what?!?! But I suprisingly didn’t jump my buddy who was showing me the film said that’s gotten everyone he’s shown the movie to hehe Edit: thought you meant movie goers reactions oh wow that’s great!! I should ask my friend
@GC-vi7hh
@GC-vi7hh 2 года назад
Brad Pitt is the one you can thank for the film ending as it did (author's intent). Studio wanted to change it to a happier ending, but Brad threatened to quit if they did. The original ending being kept in the final film is because of Brad's steadfastness to the vision of Andrew Kevin Walker (writer).
@countquackula8539
@countquackula8539 2 года назад
I wonder what kind of happy ending it would have been.
@alankingsley2916
@alankingsley2916 2 года назад
@@countquackula8539 There’s an alternate ending on the DVD where Freeman shoots Doe instead of Pitt, so Doe doesn’t get what he wants and Pitt doesn’t have that murder on his hands. “Happier” is a relative term.
@allenschneider8579
@allenschneider8579 2 года назад
The original ending was Doe killed by Mills, with no dialogue. They added Somerset's line about the world being worth fighting for as a means of softening the dark ending. Incredible to think THAT was the "happy" addition.
@TheDemonicPenguin
@TheDemonicPenguin 2 года назад
@@allenschneider8579 I like the quote. It's a good addition.
@razorfett147
@razorfett147 2 года назад
@@alankingsley2916 yea, definitely not happier. Id say more... clever, as it thwarts John Doe's masterpiece.
@nicktroisi6347
@nicktroisi6347 2 года назад
One of my favourite movies of all time. My favourite moment is when Doe walks in the station and screams “detecTIVE!” Kevin Spacey was incredible in this role
@robogreek3157
@robogreek3157 Год назад
Did you know it's a batman movie
@KLBritts
@KLBritts 11 дней назад
One brilliantly executed word and wow
@jimilives484
@jimilives484 2 года назад
"that's the most graphic and disturbing thing I've ever seen...and I didn't see it" - sums this movie up perfectly, incredibly dark and violent but the majority of the violence is never seen. Excellent reaction as usual. You should definitely check out Zodiac
@Jon.A.Scholt
@Jon.A.Scholt 2 года назад
I'll take Zodiac over Seven. I think Seven gets played up a bit too much because of the ending. Zodiac is more of a slow burn, character oriented, I just like it better. I wish Fincher and Netflix would actually make a season 3 of Mindhunter! I was so mad when they said they weren't. That was a great Fincher show.
@jp3813
@jp3813 2 года назад
@@Jon.A.Scholt Funny you say that about the ending b/c I've heard before that some thought it wasn't as strong as the first two acts. Then again, people are shocked by different things. These reactors thought the lust murder was more disturbing than the sloth one.
@Jon.A.Scholt
@Jon.A.Scholt 2 года назад
@@jp3813 Now that I think about it, how people are shocked or disturbed by Seven like you said, I think that's why I like it less than Zodiac or Mindhunter. The murders in Seven seem so over the top and unrealistic that it takes me out of the movie. Like the bad guy feeding the gluttony victim or everything that went into keeping the sloth victim alive like paying his bills is so over the top that it sounds almost comical writing it out. Zodiac and Mindhunter are far more terrifying not just because you know it's real but because the mundane aspects of the crimes are all similar to things we've done and places we've been. Seven veers too much into Saw and Hostel torture porn territory.
@jp3813
@jp3813 2 года назад
@@Jon.A.Scholt There's a fan theory that Se7en takes place in Gotham before Batman existed. Hence, there's a comic book feel to it. I always thought that the greed victim would rather take a bullet to the head than torture himself (unless Doe did it for him). But realism doesn't necessarily mean quality. For many, veering too much on the mundane is almost like just watching the news.
@BDogg2023
@BDogg2023 2 года назад
@@jp3813 Living in LA at the time and recognizing so many of the locations, it threw me off they didn’t just call it LA. 😂
@CharlesJosepDelDotto
@CharlesJosepDelDotto 2 года назад
I totally recommend The Game as your next Fincher movie. It's easily his most underrated and most forgotten film. That's not to say that it's a bad movie. Just the opposite -- it's so good! Also, in case you haven't seen it yet, Fincher was the director and executive producer on the Netflix series Mindhunter, which is one of the crown jewels in the Netflix library. It only ran for two seasons, but it's absolutely brilliant. Totally worth the watch.
@personofinterest3682
@personofinterest3682 2 года назад
Seconded.
@matthintz9468
@matthintz9468 2 года назад
"Admit to yourself that it sounds intriguing..."
@BDogg2023
@BDogg2023 2 года назад
Great movie. Didn’t realize that was his.
@ugaladh
@ugaladh 2 года назад
@@BDogg2023 Same, I'm always finding people who don't know about "The Game" and have them watch it.
@blakephotographytexas
@blakephotographytexas 2 года назад
Agreed. I LOVE The Game.
@Arsolon618
@Arsolon618 2 года назад
Kevin Spacey was left out of the opening credits and when this movie first came out none of the ads showed or mentioned him. He was kept as a total surprise to the audience.
@rxtsec1
@rxtsec1 2 года назад
Only because he became famous for usual suspects which came out earlier in the same year
@charlesderosas5577
@charlesderosas5577 2 года назад
I miss films/TV shows with surprises like that.
@Arsolon618
@Arsolon618 2 года назад
@@rxtsec1 What do you mean "only." The Usual Suspects made him a star, and being cast as a surprise villain with stars like Pitt and Freeman is a huge flex.
@bmac6517
@bmac6517 2 года назад
@@Arsolon618 Based on the surprise twist ending of the usual suspects if they show spacey name it would be predictable that he is the killer in seven.
@mokane86
@mokane86 2 года назад
@@rxtsec1 thats an outrageous claim. He was in Outbreak earlier in the same year before this. Outbreak did more than 3x the box office of usual suspects. Ok he had a smaller role in that, but he had also already had starring roles and was featured on multiple poster/cover art for some other films he was among top cast for. All these other films he was normally credited. Here he is specially uniquely credited. Its totally obvious they didnt want to lead the audience in realizing who the killer was going to be , or even, for a while. The knowledge that this was a film about 1 serial killer specifically. Id bet this is also clarified in dvd commentary or something too.
@kevinburton3948
@kevinburton3948 2 года назад
The "yell fire not help" line is one of the points of the movie- nobody cares unless it could affect them directly.
@matthewweaver6461
@matthewweaver6461 2 года назад
They're so excited at the start, so innocent.
@gustonzimasheen
@gustonzimasheen 2 года назад
True. So bright-eyed and bushy tailed. Then at the end: that haggard, totally destroyed look.
@adrianrocha49
@adrianrocha49 2 года назад
@@gustonzimasheen What about 12 Monkeys? To me, that movie is kind of similarly dark.
@gustonzimasheen
@gustonzimasheen 2 года назад
@@adrianrocha49 I love that movie
@danholmesfilm
@danholmesfilm 2 года назад
Pleasant things to take away from this film: 1. Masterful Cinematography 2. Morgan Freeman subway joke laugh scene
@tomh.2405
@tomh.2405 2 года назад
Also, David's mispronunciation of "Marquis de Sade."
@juliodavila424
@juliodavila424 2 года назад
It launched a whole Nine Inch Nails video aesthetic for mainstream films for an entire decade.
@spornge
@spornge 9 месяцев назад
"Just because you have a library card does not make you Yoda"
@purplegorilla9592
@purplegorilla9592 2 года назад
This is a hallmark movie for a variety of reasons. One big one is you can see the heavy influence it had on films and TV that came after. It reimagines the crime thriller and blends the dark/horror elements that we now see in this genre.
@SuperDKUK
@SuperDKUK 2 года назад
Lol...I initially thought you meant a Hallmark Channel movie....
@purplegorilla9592
@purplegorilla9592 2 года назад
@@SuperDKUK lol
@profshad3429
@profshad3429 2 года назад
@@SuperDKUK me too😅
@AutoPilate
@AutoPilate Год назад
If Hallmark made movies like this I would watch that channel more often. Or once even.
@msdarby515
@msdarby515 2 года назад
My husband and I went to this movie when it came out in 1995. I couldn't watch it again. Then in 2020 when it was the 25th anniversary everyone was talking about it and I was curious enough to watch it again.... and be reminded of why I was never going to watch it again. David's torture and break down at the end just destroys me. I almost feel like something happened to a friend of mine. That empty sadness when you learn of their death.
@mapesdhs597
@mapesdhs597 2 года назад
This film is one of those which made me question why our culture makes such films, why we choose to see them, and indeed why so many recommend them to others despite, as you say, their often being so extremely dark in nature. Please see my reply to the comment posted by Alek Grguric, as I would be interested in your thoughts (when I look at the comment list, Alek's post is the one directly above your own). I'll ask the same question I posed to Alek: if you were able, would you reach back and tell your 1995 self and husband not to see this film? If so, and assuming your younger self would naturally ask why, what would you say? I guess what I'm getting at here, explained in more detail in my reply to Alek, is that I think it's possible for certain films to damage us at a certain level, but I'm uncertain whether the nature of such damage could be be put into words that would be sufficient to convince our younger self to walk away. To me it just seems like, in terms of produced film content, something happened in the early 90s, the nature of what was being made took a very dark turn. A lot of movies in the 80s were far more positive and uplifting, such as "Ghostbusters", yet today such films are often referred to with a certain degree of derision, like there was something wrong with making or seeing a film that evokes positive feelings. A bit like the mocking response one may receive if one says that it's nice to listen to an Abba song. We seem to be choosing to wallow in darkness, because nowdays with modern film making it is possible to make that darkness beautiful to both the eye and mind. If this is true, then it does not bode well for the future of our culture. Lastly, what did your husband think of the film back in 1995? And at the time, were you honest in conveying your own feelings afterwards? If not, do you think you should have been? What does your husband think of the film now? Does he regret having ever seen it?
@letsrock1729
@letsrock1729 2 года назад
@@mapesdhs597 The questions you've raised here and in the comment to Alek (concerning what I think of as 'psychic damage') completely resonate with me and are extremely valid, even though I don't personally regret having seen Se7en at the cinema in 1995 (despite feeling traumatised by it at the time). And in spite of never having wanted to watch it again since. Would I go back in time and decide to watch it (knowing what I know now)? Possibly not. Yet I still can't regret having seen it. For one thing, I've always considered regret a pointless emotion. And Se7en is, regardless of its darkness, a very clever film which I appreciate for that reason. I feel that material which 'gives voice' to the darker side of humanity does have value if it is intelligently presented. But I understand the points you are making and feel that, in general, people often don't give enough thought to the ways in which certain kinds of material may have a long-term negative impact on their psyches.
@Souleymann
@Souleymann 2 года назад
Probably one of the best movies ever made, such a masterpiece of storytelliong, cinematography, acting, editing, music - the whole package is just so powerful in delivering this dark story, it will mark you forever. I will never forget the first time I saw the movie, it was a night premiere at the cinema and it was (funnly) full of cute young couples, thinking they gonna see this cute crime movie with cute Brad Pitt, but then after first 30 minutes, the theatre was left half empty as people started leaving as their stomach could not handle the movie. As the ending credits hit and the sick David Bowie song starts, I turned around only to find a handful of people still watching the movie until the end, with visible shock on their face as if they been to war. One of toughest and most impactful movies I ever seen.
@johnnydeleon8210
@johnnydeleon8210 2 года назад
Seven is dissected in many assets in film schools
@BDogg2023
@BDogg2023 2 года назад
Interesting experience. I saw the movie opening night at the Mann Chinese Theater on Hollywood Blvd. It held something like 500 people, and my gf and I had to stand in the back for the entire film. No one left. Definitely a darker crowd back in the 90s on HWB…
@letsrock1729
@letsrock1729 2 года назад
Yeah, my partner and I went to see this at the cinema (it was supposed to be 'date night'...we had a young baby at home. left with babysitters). We came out in a state of horrified shock, saying to each other that we'd just paid good money to be completely traumatised.
@Ezekielepharcelis
@Ezekielepharcelis 2 года назад
I have seen this at the Premiere in Germany. I just had become an Adult and this was one of the Movies along with Braveheart which I never ever have forgotten. I just had lost a dear Person and this Movie intensified my ongoing Depression. So thanks for that.
@letsrock1729
@letsrock1729 2 года назад
@@Ezekielepharcelis Oh that's awful. I'm so sorry you had that experience.
@daniilashurov135
@daniilashurov135 2 года назад
3:32 huge props to TBR for recognising Nine Inch Nails' song! This is a man of culture here.
@Dispensational_David
@Dispensational_David 2 года назад
You guys are by far my favorite reactors on RU-vid. Genuine and no gimmicks. Really appreciate you both.
@chandlermorgan708
@chandlermorgan708 2 года назад
"WHAT'S IN THE F****** BOX"🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
@TBRSchmitt
@TBRSchmitt 2 года назад
pain.
@gustonzimasheen
@gustonzimasheen 2 года назад
@@TBRSchmitt "We've Been Trying To Reach You About Your Car's Extended Warranty"
@patrickfoster8335
@patrickfoster8335 2 года назад
Still gave me chills watching people realize what’s about to happen
@robogreek3157
@robogreek3157 Год назад
But did you realize it's a batman movie?
@vickyy518
@vickyy518 2 года назад
Oh man, Samantha doing the introduction hit different! It was really nice ☺ Love watching your videos guys, thanks for recording even while recovering from surgeries!
@ChrisWake
@ChrisWake 2 года назад
Oh man, I didn't even realize it til your comment lol. That was a smooth switcheroo xD
@gustonzimasheen
@gustonzimasheen 2 года назад
TBR Schmitt "Hello!"
@janleonard3101
@janleonard3101 2 года назад
I loved it. More Samantha!
@MichelleMabery
@MichelleMabery 2 года назад
👍 What the heck does TBR stand for??
@gustonzimasheen
@gustonzimasheen 2 года назад
@@MichelleMabery Democracy? Freedom of speech? The National Anthem? jk
@ItilayItshay
@ItilayItshay 2 года назад
This movie was an absolute masterpiece. One of my favorite aspects of the film is how they made the city itself a character. It's wet, it's sticky, it's filthy, it's infected, it's dark. It's a living, breathing entity that makes everything happening in the movie (no matter how horrendous) seem completely par for the course.
@thearchivist250
@thearchivist250 Год назад
I was a senior in high school working a Regal cinema when this film came out. In retrospect, a FANTASTIC time to see films for free. I’m glad you enjoyed this film.
@MattLeader
@MattLeader 2 года назад
Woah! This reaction is FULL of twists. That Opening! Interesting to note that the only murder we actually see committed is that of John Doe himself. Also, the shaky cam on John Doe during the chase sequence as opposed to the much steadier shots of Mills and Somerset in the same sequence help to enhance the idea that Mills and Somerset are the ones in control at this point after having messed up John Doe's plans. Contrast that to the the steady shots on John Doe in the final sequence as opposed to the chaotic shaky camera work on Mills and Somerset; at this point John Doe is in complete control. I really hope you get around to seeing The Elephant Man; an exceptional and very emotional movie.
@jean-philippedoyon9904
@jean-philippedoyon9904 2 года назад
Seven...aka the movie that gave back the passion of making movies to David Fincher after the disaster that was the production of Alien 3 ! After Alien3, David Fincher was done with cinema and working with 20th Century Fox, but with Seven, they gave him complete control and we have one of the best detective suspense thriller movie of the last 30 years ! Can you imagine cinema if David Fincher didn't do Seven ?!? No Fight Club, Zodiac, Gone Girl or Social Network !!
@hashtagfilm
@hashtagfilm 2 года назад
I still, to this day, do not think Alien 3 is a bad movie. I seriously don't get the hate. It's dark. It's gritty. I really enjoy it.
@joemckim1183
@joemckim1183 2 года назад
@@hashtagfilm It was a lot better than Alien: Resurrection.
@jean-philippedoyon9904
@jean-philippedoyon9904 2 года назад
@@hashtagfilm I agree too, but I feel there was a even better movie inside it that could have been...
@JPuReTaLeNt
@JPuReTaLeNt 2 года назад
This film is in my top 3 films of all time. The feeling I had after watching it the first time sat with me for weeks
@shainewhite2781
@shainewhite2781 2 года назад
5:27, the coroner is played by Reg E. Cathey, whom sadly passed away in 2018 at age 59 due to lung cancer.
@penoyer79
@penoyer79 2 года назад
strong character actor.
@gussiejives
@gussiejives 23 дня назад
I remember him from Square One TV on PBS back in the day.
@tinanickerson1006
@tinanickerson1006 2 года назад
I saw this in a packed theater when it first was released and at the end of the movie you could've heard a pin drop. It left a packed house speechless. It from start to finish disturbed yet kept you intrigued. I havent ever been able to to rewatch the movie just way to devastating.
@nympho25
@nympho25 Год назад
supposidly the studio wanted morgans character to jump in front and take the bullet, but both brad and Morgan fought for the ending we see here now
@PercyLeon1
@PercyLeon1 2 года назад
Angel Heart has the same noir time feel and dark mystery. The city in Seven is supposed to be New York but it was shot all over LA
@Nakna_ankaN
@Nakna_ankaN 2 года назад
Somerset did change though. Mills really got to him and him throwing the metronome was him literally not being able to allow himself to drown out and ignore the noise of the world around him anymore. His answer in the end that he will be around confirms that he won't retire, but keep fighting the good fight and try to do what he can to be a force for good in the world, because he can't give in to the apathy anymore. The final line of the movie also confirms this: Ernest Hemingway once wrote: "The world is a fine place and worth fighting for". I agree with the second part.
@Luvie1980
@Luvie1980 2 года назад
For me this is Fincher’s best film
@TBRSchmitt
@TBRSchmitt 2 года назад
It was crazy good!
@Luvie1980
@Luvie1980 2 года назад
@@TBRSchmitt definitely watch his other films like the game and fight club.
@danejuglass8238
@danejuglass8238 2 года назад
@@Luvie1980 They already reacted to Fight Club. Enjoy
@social_goes_static
@social_goes_static 2 года назад
“What’s in the box? What’s in the box?” This Fincher masterpiece is one of my all time favorites. This was before the internet and social media, so keeping Kevin Spacey’s involvement under wraps was pretty easy. 😅
@penoyer79
@penoyer79 2 месяца назад
Spacey was also just breaking out.
@bgm1975
@bgm1975 2 года назад
This is the definition of a masterpiece. I've watched this movie many times for 20 years since I saw it twice in theater, and it still a great film to watch.
@NuriaSaladrigasLarroy
@NuriaSaladrigasLarroy 2 года назад
Sam’s intro made me smile 😁 I love the atmosphere of the film, sad, melancholic, with the rain as a companion all over the time. It makes you feel that dirty mood or sensation so similar, as other people has commented, to the Batman imaginery.
@alejandroroldanortega819
@alejandroroldanortega819 2 года назад
Fincher's original planned ending was to end the film with a fade to black after Mills' shot from a low angle, leaving the audience several seconds in shock in the dark before the credits rolled. The actual ending with the Somerset quote was the producers' idea.
@andrewburgemeister6684
@andrewburgemeister6684 2 года назад
Yeah, he had to compromise since the test audience didn’t like that ending. Strange it doesn’t seem to be on DVD/Digital as an alternative more bleaker ending.
@ramudon2428
@ramudon2428 2 года назад
That would be better.
@andrewburgemeister6684
@andrewburgemeister6684 2 года назад
@@ramudon2428 you could do it with editing software of some sort to just go to the credits with a cut to black.
@ramudon2428
@ramudon2428 2 года назад
@@andrewburgemeister6684 I could do it with lego as well, but that's not really the same either. I mean, I can envision the ending without those things, and I'm just saying I like it better than what they ended up going with.
@davidw.2791
@davidw.2791 2 года назад
Supposedly there was also an ending shot where it was Somerset who shot John before Mills can. Mills was shocked, but Somerset says “Well I was about to retire anyway.” That was the only way they could have denied JD his sweet, sweet “moral victory”.
@roneon4
@roneon4 2 года назад
Watching the movie with commentaries from Fincher and Pitt they mentioned the city as its own character and funny thing you cannot say which city the entire movie is located and they actually plan that which is brilliant. Also the fact we have NIN song in the movie is a small hit of Fincher love for Trent's music which later gave them many collaborations in recent years.
@andrewburgemeister6684
@andrewburgemeister6684 2 года назад
I really liked how they didn’t name the city, it’s sort of a nightmarish blend of the worst of New York and Los Angeles with bits of Chicago and some North-Western cities.
@bobbwc7011
@bobbwc7011 2 года назад
The menacing unknown city is a criticism of American lifestyle: the same ugly concrete-glass grid cities everywhere, interchangeable, filled with the same social problems which are not specific to any American city but to the American society. Had this been set in Europe you would have known the city after 5 min just because of the architectural features.
@davidw.2791
@davidw.2791 2 года назад
@@andrewburgemeister6684 It’s Gotham. With Batman gone on Justice League duty, or something.
@themoviedealers
@themoviedealers 2 года назад
It was shot all around downtown Los Angeles. I lived in the area for five years after partial gentrification. I had been inside a few of the locations including the Hotel Alexandria ballroom and the Hotel Rosslyn.
@andrewburgemeister6684
@andrewburgemeister6684 2 года назад
@@davidw.2791 Based.
@LilMrPizza
@LilMrPizza 2 года назад
The most underrated part of this movie imo is the score by Howard Shore. I can’t think of any composer who’s as good at creating an atmosphere with an orchestra, and I say that as a John Williams fan boy.
@andrewburgemeister6684
@andrewburgemeister6684 2 года назад
Lord of The Rings was his masterpiece comparable to Wagner and the epic opera pieces!
@RobertMorgan
@RobertMorgan Год назад
Automatically heard the House, MD intro theme in my head because you mentioned Shore score.
@Corn_Pone_Flicks
@Corn_Pone_Flicks Год назад
Really? So you know what the score is "rated" compared with the other aspects of the film?
@lovalerieking7972
@lovalerieking7972 2 года назад
“Ernest Hemingway once said: “The world is a fine place, and worth fighting for.” I agree with the second part.”
@TheEMFB
@TheEMFB 2 года назад
That closing quote is everything.
@TvGyrl
@TvGyrl 2 года назад
I'd recommend Gone Girl and Zodiac, also Panic Room. As for similar disturbing serial killer films. Two come to mind, Resurrection and The Bone Collector. Not top tier, but still pretty good films.
@stevecole8783
@stevecole8783 2 года назад
How bout DRAGON TATTOO? But I like your pix.
@archangel0891
@archangel0891 2 года назад
If they watch bone collector, DO NOT WATCH THE TRAILER.. it gives the ending away!! Editor shoulda been shot
@Reefism
@Reefism 2 года назад
The Batman film draws some inspiration from Se7en and some True Detective: Season 1!
@b.u.l.1734
@b.u.l.1734 2 года назад
And Zodiac.
@vendelayindustries
@vendelayindustries 2 года назад
Fantastic movie. That ending is such a surprise. Glad I saw it at the movie theatre for the full cinematic experience.
@robovike
@robovike 2 года назад
This one and The Usual Suspects came out around the same time and, as crime dramas, kind of shook things up with their twisty endings. I think Silence of the Lambs came out a couple of years before but it's interesting to see a crime drama as a horror film develop its own genre with these movies.
@TBRSchmitt
@TBRSchmitt 2 года назад
The Usual Suspects is on our list! I’ve seen it but Sam hasn’t!
@kwanwallacephotography5145
@kwanwallacephotography5145 2 года назад
@@TBRSchmitt PLEASE REACT TO THE EQUALIZER DENZEL AND BAD BOYS WILL SMITH PLZZZ
@gustonzimasheen
@gustonzimasheen 2 года назад
@@TBRSchmitt Have you seen "Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil"? Directed by Clint Eastwood. Recommended viewing.
@jowbloe3673
@jowbloe3673 2 года назад
@@kwanwallacephotography5145 - *Bad Boys* from 1983 with Sean Penn is a good movie.
@kwanwallacephotography5145
@kwanwallacephotography5145 2 года назад
@@jowbloe3673 yeah but I like will smith versions better
@chillysauceprophecii
@chillysauceprophecii 2 года назад
the only thing I can say is that I wish you two could have experienced this in the theaters. this was a milestone for serial killer movies.
@lizfinkelstein1323
@lizfinkelstein1323 Год назад
Especially only 4-5 years after Silence of the Lambs. Suddenly "scary movies" had real prestige.
@tonycampos9605
@tonycampos9605 2 года назад
I remember seeing the trailer for this on the Mortal Kombat VHS and that alone gave me chills. Ended up being one of my favorite movies. Keep on keeping on with the content, you guys are killing it.
@ariklan8339
@ariklan8339 2 года назад
You can just see "The Batman" from this movie.... Mat Reeves indeed was inspired by this movie and Zodiac as well... the vibe the scenematography, the moment he said by which movies the new Batman was inspired I knew this was gonna be dark and gritty af and it was absolutely perfect just like this one.
@JDoe-gf5oz
@JDoe-gf5oz 2 года назад
The best part was when John Doe lectured the cops on white privilege and everyone in the theater applauded for two hours.
@Corn_Pone_Flicks
@Corn_Pone_Flicks Год назад
@@JDoe-gf5oz What the hell are you talking about?
@JDoe-gf5oz
@JDoe-gf5oz Год назад
@@Corn_Pone_Flicks it's a ripoff of Seven.
@lb0433
@lb0433 Год назад
​@@JDoe-gf5ozwhat is
@shainewhite2781
@shainewhite2781 2 года назад
8:00, BINGO!, the killer is mimicking the 7 Deadly Sins.
@MikeB12800
@MikeB12800 2 года назад
Just shows how an amazing director, great script, and great actors can turn a gimmicky crime drama storyline into one of the most memorable movies of the past 50 years!
@FrldyZX87
@FrldyZX87 2 года назад
I never knew TBR's name was Daniel. I thought it stood for his initials, Totally Boss Reviewer or something 😅
@gustonzimasheen
@gustonzimasheen 2 года назад
I always thought TBR was based on a pirate, reading the works of William Shakespeare: "TB. ARRR not TB? That is Thaaar question matey". jk
@cineeggs630
@cineeggs630 2 года назад
TBR = the best reactor :)
@FrldyZX87
@FrldyZX87 2 года назад
@@cineeggs630 Ah, that sounds much better! 😄
@YoureMrLebowski
@YoureMrLebowski 2 года назад
@@FrldyZX87 aww, i wouldn't say better
@dcmslife3772
@dcmslife3772 2 года назад
Wow!! unusual to hear Sam do the intro. HAHAHA I'm used to her saying the usual "Hellooo" part. And his name is DANIEL?!?! I would have never known. I always thought TBR was his initials. 🤷‍♂ Good to hear you talk, Samantha!!! Get well soon, TBR aka Daniel!
@salbro5985
@salbro5985 2 года назад
Guys, as a third-shift worker, I always appreciate your videos popping up in the middle of the night, on *my* hours while the sun-dwellers sleep! Always a nice surprise! 👍
@JackOiswatching
@JackOiswatching 2 года назад
I'm in the same boat and I always hope for a new TBR video during lunch time in the middle of the night. 😁
@johnmoreland6089
@johnmoreland6089 2 года назад
Fincher’s masterpiece: Zodiac. Followed by The Game and Gone Girl, both very good and enjoyable.
@penoyer79
@penoyer79 2 месяца назад
Fight Club.
@lethaldose2000
@lethaldose2000 2 года назад
The theme of Apathy runs through almost every event in Seven. It makes for such a dark, cynical view of the world and this is the prism through which the city is presented to us. Somerset hates the city he has sworn to protect. All his years on the force have caused him to be cynical, jaded, and apathetic. He says, "In a big city, minding your own business is a science". The idea is reinforced when he explains in rape prevention, the first thing women are taught, is to not yell "help". NO ONE responds to "HELP" but instead to yell "FIRE".
@mikethemotormouth
@mikethemotormouth 2 года назад
@Dayspring the weird part is it only happens after each use of a period
@lethaldose2000
@lethaldose2000 2 года назад
@@mikethemotormouth I use the space to make the longer comment less intimidating to read. Instead of making it seem like one jumbled idea. The mind breaks it into 3 or 4 simple statements. Gives the comment a better chance of being read.
@mr.e4140
@mr.e4140 2 года назад
@@lethaldose2000 John Doe?
@ramudon2428
@ramudon2428 2 года назад
@@lethaldose2000 Just as feedback, it leaves an impression of the writer being unknowledgeable about form, and makes me view the text through that tainted lens before the content is even consumed. I much prefer breaking text with the return key, like how we traditionally format text. Obviously that's just how I view it, and you may be right in your assumption that it helps the text be read. Just thought I'd give you feedback on the theory.
@christoffesedao3579
@christoffesedao3579 2 года назад
@@lethaldose2000 Yes, you definitely recognized the apathy that was pervasive throughout the film. However, this story is very often misunderstood because of how much it shocks our emotions and stifles our clarity. This was a story of HOPE. Detective Somerset (Morgen Freeman) had given up on his career and purpose of life because he was burned out by so much wickedness in this world. He is quitting because he was weary of all the darkness. But at the end after all that happens he says “I’ll be around” . . . and he also says that “the world is worth fighting for.” He chose hope, and decided not to quit. This is a major message of this film that is often overlooked because of our shocked emotions. Actually a very positive ending, considering the difficult journey.
@KLBritts
@KLBritts 11 дней назад
The “ oh, he didn’t know…“ With that smirk is by far one of my favourite moments in a movie I hate it so much but it’s so good. I can’t handle it.
@macuna1995
@macuna1995 2 года назад
I must've seen this movie a dozen of times, *and it still freaks me out,* I love it.
@shainewhite2781
@shainewhite2781 2 года назад
There have been many theories that the movie takes place in the same universe as BATMAN, implying that it takes place in Gotham City.
@TBRSchmitt
@TBRSchmitt 2 года назад
That's crazy, the specific city was never address in Se7en right?!
@qwertymanor
@qwertymanor 2 года назад
@@TBRSchmitt no it was filmed to be any big city. But it was filmed in LA.
@flippert0
@flippert0 2 года назад
At first it seems, Se7en is your 90s run- of-the-mill serial killer flick (they were quite a few of them in that decade). But Victor / 'Sloth is the turning point. From this moment on it's clear that we are truly in a different kind of movie.
@alexflorea4879
@alexflorea4879 2 года назад
I've been waiting all night for this!!! Feel better I'm 32 years old and never had a problem with any tooth but I saw my father crying from a tooth.
@TBRSchmitt
@TBRSchmitt 2 года назад
Hope you enjoy! The mouth can be a pain in the butt sometimes but I will be just fine, thank you!
@gustonzimasheen
@gustonzimasheen 2 года назад
@@TBRSchmitt Poor Sam, if that's how you got a sore mouth. I'm kidding TBR. Don't hurt me!
@alyas77
@alyas77 2 года назад
One of the greatest movies out there. And it had the courage to complete it’s idea and not cave to an alternate more positive ending… especially for 1995. Brad Pitt sided with Fincher and threatened to quit when producers pushed for a different ending.
@shainewhite2781
@shainewhite2781 2 года назад
26:04, RIP, Michael Massey. He was in The Crow as Funboy, played Man In The Shadows in TASM 1 and 2, and a serial killer, or a mass murderer in hit TV series like Criminal Minds, Supernatural, The X Files, and MillenniuM. He passed away in 2016 from Stomach cancer.
@Optical78
@Optical78 2 года назад
Shaine White I believe he was also the unfortunate actor who fired the fatal shot at Brandon Lee in that tragic movie accident. I heard he was never the same after that. Even if it wasn't his fault I'm sure it doesn't make it any easier to live with knowing you pulled the trigger. So sad!
@JeffersonMills
@JeffersonMills 2 года назад
*Massee
@jonathanblaze1648
@jonathanblaze1648 2 года назад
After 27 years Se7en is STILL the darkest movie I've ever seen. Great movie.
@ark5875
@ark5875 2 года назад
Try Johnny got his gun
@TedBrogan
@TedBrogan 2 года назад
Masterpiece. There's really no other way to describe this movie.
@rustincohle2135
@rustincohle2135 2 года назад
Lengthy read but fascinating analysis of the film's themes: Apathy is the biggest theme of the film. Many discussions within the film allude to it. Aside from the obvious apathy speech Somerset (Morgan Freeman) gives to Mills (Brad Pitt) in the bar, but also when Somerset explains how the first thing women are taught in rape prevention class is to not yell "help" because no one responds to "help" but instead to yell "fire" (as Somerset put it "in a big city, minding your own business is a science"). People in big cities are apathetic to any one stranger's individual suffering but a fire can spread to multiple buildings which affects everyone, which is why people respond to "fire". Throughout the film, Somerset repeatedly mentions how much he hates the city. All his years on the force has caused him to be cynical, jaded and apathetic. Particular example: all the noise, police sirens, screaming and crime that he hears outside his apartment window keeps him up at night which is why he uses a metronome, to drown out the noise. He has become apathetic to the crime going on just outside his place-- the metronome is symbolism for Somerset's apathy. Also, note, right after Mills denounces Somerset's apathy speech in the bar ("I don't think you're quitting because you believe in the things you say, I think you want to believe them because you're quitting"), Somerset goes home that night and destroys the metronome. Mills's words really affected him causing Somerset to care at least a little bit again, which is why he destroyed the metronome (i.e. his apathy). And John Doe's words during the car ride "Only in a world this shitty can we say these were innocent people. We see a deadly sin on every street corner and we tolerate it. We tolerate morning, noon and night." APATHY. Also, many characters, even minor ones, are super judgmental and have little sympathy for people's suffering. Like when the SWAT team raids the apartment of the mummified sloth victim tied to the bed, the lead SWAT cop (played by Bob from "Office Space") says to him "you got what you deserved"-- but then when he's alive and taken to the hospital, the doctor says "he's experienced about as much pain and suffering as anyone I've encountered... and he still has Hell to look forward to." To me, it was always such a bizarre thing for a doctor to say given their Hippocratic oath and their duty to care but ya know... APATHY. THE LAWYERS: The lawyer that's punished for greed, as John Doe put it "this is a man who dedicated his life to making money by lying with every breath he could muster to keeping murderers and rapists off the streets." That lawyer didn't care about justice or morality. Also, John Doe's lawyer has virtually no emotion while he's blackmailing the cops with John Doe's plea bargain. Either they agree and John Doe pleads guilty or if they don't agree, John Doe will plead insanity. The lawyer says "with the extreme nature of these crimes, I could easily get him off with such a plea." The lawyer seems quite apathetic to justice and the victims of the case while he, as Mills puts it, sits there in his $3000 suit (indicating he's much like the slain greedy lawyer). He also says to them "if you don't agree to my client's specific conditions, these two bodies will never be found" to which the black district attorney (Richard Roundtree) retorts "at this point, I'm inclined to let them rot" -- APATHY. Also the lawyer in the same scene: "My client would like to remind you that two more people are dead. The press would have a field day if the police didn't seem to concerned about finding them and giving them a proper burial." THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS: The proprietor of the whorehouse is questioned by Mills in the glass interrogation room. Mills asks him "you didn't see anything strange or suspicious, anyone with a package under their arm?" He responds with "everybody coming in there has got a package under their arm, some people have suitcases full of stuff". The man "sees nothing" and questions nothing. Mills then asks him "do you like your job, the things you see?" To which he responds, "No, but that's life, isn't it?". He doesn't like it, but he tolerates it because it's a living. APATHY. Also the owner of the S&M leather shop who designed the knife strap-on costume is asked disgustedly by Somerset "you actually made this for him?" The owner replies "yea, so what, I made weirder shit than this." APATHY This might be reading too much into it but the pizza shop where they meet the FBI agent with the library files. Somerset mentions that the pizza shop must have had "at least 50 health violations last inspection". They clearly don't care about standards and safety. APATHY. And for some reason, the city didn't even shut them down. Did the health dept simply tolerate it? More apathy?? Also, the real estate agent that sold the "subway" apartment to Mills and his wife. The man was a scumbag who only cared about selling the place and obviously didn't care about their discomfort. APATHY. And also, the sloth victim's landlord was just happy that the rent was always paid on time and that there were no complaints from or about that tenant. He never bothered to ever check up on him. APATHY. DETECTIVE MILLS: Also notice Mills is the only character that "cares" in the film. As Somerset sarcastically asks him, "you want to be a hero and you're gonna make a difference?" Mills, the only character who supposedly "cares" gets punished the most in the film; his whole world gets turned upside down by the end. Mills, the man and his philosophy on life, is destroyed-- and he will undoubtedly become as jaded and cynical as Somerset. Mills's own words to John Doe in the car, "I don't see you as a Messiah. After 2 months, no one will remember this. No one will care. You're a movie of the week, you're a fucking T-shirt at best." Also, when Mills tells the story of when he fired his gun in the line of duty, he remembers how he felt during the incident but can't remember the name of his fellow cop that was shot-- this was after he witnessed the first few murders. I think this was supposed to signify the small but subtle beginning of the erosion of Mill's sympathy. But I could just be looking too much into it. Also, again, note at the end of the film when Mills is put into the back of the police cruiser, the captain (Lee Ermey) says to Somerset "don't worry, we'll take care of him"-- which pretty much means the department will cover up the incident. Even though Mills murdered a suspect, the captain and the rest of the police department is APATHETIC to his crime (Mills's sin of wrath will go unpunished). The film is just swimming with apathetic characters and I'm sure there's other examples that I haven't mentioned. But goddamn, what a script! It seems like no line of dialogue or detail is accidental or wasted. It all serves a purpose and contributes to the story's themes.The film is almost sickening and revolting given the themes and how effective it is at conveying them; the screenplay is astonishingly literary. It's a brilliantly written masterpiece. How it didn't get nominated at the Oscars is baffling. I highly recommend watching this video which explores the film in greater detail: ​@ ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-uKSDctC2o-s.html
@Thane36425
@Thane36425 2 года назад
Interesting. Just one point: the man at the window of the "club" probably wasn't the owner. He was just a guy who needed a job and he was stuck there. Maybe he had a criminal record and this was all he could get. As he said, he didn't like what he saw going on, but what could he do? In that sense he is another metaphor for humanity, just like Summerset: he's stuck there watching all these awful things that actually do bother him, but what can he do? So he becomes apathetic.
@davidw.2791
@davidw.2791 2 года назад
Obviously, John Doe is a hypocrite, but that just makes the prequel comics hit even harder. Like in the “Lust” issue. A so-called slut girl in his class was basically stoned to death. Highly implied that John’s mom told her on the fundamentalist-conservative townsfolk. And yet, the mom was an actual promiscuous **** even as she moralizes to John about daring to have lustful thoughts. No wonder he turned out so screwed.
@pelgervampireduck
@pelgervampireduck 7 месяцев назад
the only part I don't agree is what's going to happen to Mills. I don't think the police are going to cover it up. I think he's going to jail and "everything he needs" means the are going to try to help him, like a good lawyer or more mundane things like if he needs clothes, a coffe, food, or when he's in jail trying to make his stay in there less horrible.
@rustincohle2135
@rustincohle2135 7 месяцев назад
@@pelgervampireduck Cops especially then like to cover for other cops.
@pelgervampireduck
@pelgervampireduck 7 месяцев назад
@@rustincohle2135 I know, back then, today, in all times cops cover up for other cops when they do something wrong, but I think in the universe of the movie it's implied he's going to jail. We can't know for sure, maybe they cover up for him, but even if he goes free, his life is destroyed anyway. He's another victim of the crazy psychopat.
@shanenolan8252
@shanenolan8252 2 года назад
Sorry about the mouth pain ( dental work) hope your feeling better now.
@TBRSchmitt
@TBRSchmitt 2 года назад
I will be all right! Thank you!
@shanenolan8252
@shanenolan8252 2 года назад
@@TBRSchmitt glad to hear it . Btw that other book samantha was trying to figure out was paradise lost ( john milton)
@nympho25
@nympho25 2 года назад
"detective......detective.......DETECTIIIIIVE!!!, your looking for me." look forward to that part everytime
@brianjones8432
@brianjones8432 2 года назад
I would highly recommend Gone Girl and Panic Room.... Both Fincher classics and well worth the watch. But you really can't go wrong with any Fincher film barring maybe Alien 3, and considering the production hell and studio interference with that film, even Fincher disowns it to this very day. The behind the scenes stories about that film are pretty legendary though. Almost as crazy as the on set insanity of Blade Trinity.
@michaelcoffey1991
@michaelcoffey1991 5 месяцев назад
@TBR Schmitt 26:40 to 27:00 is what the entire movie is about really...... as Mills is young, hopeful and wants to help Summerset is old jaded and broken really...... by the end Mills became wrath, and Summerset stays around and admits to us the audience that he now has the fire to fight the evil..... "The world is a fine place, and worth fighting for." " I agree with the second part." One of my 25 favorite films was a joy to see you and Samantha on this twisted ride. So glad this was in your back catalog
@dnllrnt
@dnllrnt 2 года назад
After seeing The Batman, you can clearly see Matt Reeves and the crew loved this movie and Zodiac. Which was a welcome sight to see in a superhero movie. I remember taping this on Fox, back when Fox showed movies on Thursday or Friday nights. The composition notebooks always stood out for me. I wonder how much time production took for the intro credits and for John Doe's apartment.
@ImJustHereWithaBeer
@ImJustHereWithaBeer 2 года назад
I read it cost $15,000 and 2 months of ripping, glueing, and writing in all the journals by both production designers for the intro and Doe's room.
@dnllrnt
@dnllrnt 2 года назад
@@ImJustHereWithaBeer that's fantastic work
@mr.e4140
@mr.e4140 2 года назад
Se7en DVD commentary and behind the scenes shows how the composition books were put together. 😃👍🏾
@ElenasDad
@ElenasDad 2 года назад
More like they were obsessed with Se7en
@jpotter2086
@jpotter2086 2 года назад
The opening credit sequence was very effective, supposed to unsettle and creep you out. Also very innovative and influential at the time. All the film geeks and visual designers were all aflutter over it that year.
@bobblebardsley
@bobblebardsley 2 года назад
I love that you edit so that the captions can be seen if they would be behind your faces, but when MONDAY popped up across your eyes at 3:41 after that opening credit sequence it kinda creeped me out 😂
@charlesnyckd
@charlesnyckd Год назад
Fun fact: Denzel Washington turned down the role of Mills, which went to Brad Pitt. He has since deeply regretted it. Also, the studio wanted a different ending. Pitt & Freeman said “hell no,” and both threatened to walk if the studio changed it. 1995 was a huge year for crime thrillers. This stood out.
@bmw128racer
@bmw128racer 2 года назад
I saw this movie in the theater when it was released in 1995. I found it to be an excellent and very disturbing movie. I had trouble sleeping for a couple of days after the viewing. 😓
@dmore
@dmore 2 года назад
One of the best movies ever made and one of my favourites. Twisted, detailed and reflective storytelling. Beautifully crafted, acted and shot. They pulled no punches and created a knock out.
@nealnoir
@nealnoir 2 года назад
I hope you feel better! This intro was so great. Se7en is one of my favorite films of all time and the murky, tobaccoy colors was a huge influence on my visual style of photography.
@NovaLena22
@NovaLena22 2 года назад
I love David Fincher. He's an amazing director. You should watch Gone Girl, Panic Room, or The Game
@jowbloe3673
@jowbloe3673 2 года назад
I love that you went into this movie so blind. Excellent reaction!
@davidwilkins5932
@davidwilkins5932 2 года назад
One of the most surprising things about this dark (literally) and brooding story, which gives the feeling a wasted urban hell, was actually shot in sunny L.A. The amount of light control is almost staggering. The scene in the diner where they talk about using library resources, was shot on Sunset Blvd. Also…the police captain is the guy who played the drill sergeant in Full Metal Jacket.
@lizfinkelstein1323
@lizfinkelstein1323 Год назад
Yup; the police captain R. Lee Ermey auditioned for the part of John Doe and it was apparently not too different from his character in Full Metal Jacket. Fincher wanted Spacey from the beginning so once they were able to get him, they offered the part of the Captain to Ermey.
@shainewhite2781
@shainewhite2781 2 года назад
15:35, my god! That's insane! He kept him alive for a year!
@AlexGVid
@AlexGVid 2 года назад
Great insight after the film as always guys. I mentioned this on another reaction, but can you imagine seeing this in a theatre? I did ... basically the whole audience walked out after it was over not saying a word ... like zombies. It was brutal. There's a film by Fincher that I really like and in my opinion is greatly underrated and that is The Game. It was done between Se7en and Fight Club and stars Michael Douglas and Sean Penn. I think you would get a real kick out of it.
@mapesdhs597
@mapesdhs597 2 года назад
May I ask, did you enjoy seeing the film? It's an unfair question of course, since 'enjoy' can be such a subjective notion. "Seven" is one of those films which is often praised for its direction, acting, cinematography, twist at the end, etc., but often in the same description people will say how harrowing it was to watch (look for the comment near your's posted by Ms Darby), its very dark tone, the emotionally punishing concepts one is presented with, etc. So why do we watch these films, praise them while describing them as mentally painful to see, and why do we (as a culture) make them? Though their prevalence seems to vary over time, often a reflection of current societal woes and fears. And thus, my real question is, is the real darkness in a film like this the fact that it demonstrates we still find merit in making and seeing them? People describe it as if it's akin to being tortured, yet they will recommend it to others. Note for example Sam's comment at 47:00 where she says she wouldn't want to see it again, yet she's glad she watched it. This is such a strange thing we do to ourselves. At 52:50 Daniel says he wouldn't recommend this film, whereas Sam says she would if the viewer is in the "right head space"; seconds later Daniel summaries it as being an excellent film. That's what intrigues me, that we make films like this which evoke such a contradictory reaction: "I saw a film." "Any good?" "Excellent." "Should I see it?" "No." We humans are capable of conceiving great evil, all the more so of carrying it out. The way people talk about "Seven" makes me wonder whether beyond a certain point certain concepts should just never be put to film (there is a film I've heard of which comes under this category but I won't mention it here, except to say I've never seen it, never will and hope anyone given the choice never does; its summary on IMDB led to that conclusion as a no-brainer, but also made me ponder why the heck any film maker would want to produce such a thing). We like to believe that we cannot at any deeper core level be fundamentally changed, for good or ill, by the films we see, but "Seven" led me to conclude this popular idea is wrong and dangerously nieve (another example is "Donnie Darko", a film I would certainly describe as excellent, yet I've read many extraordinary comments by people describing the impact it had on them, especially young people; one teenage guy said he saw it with his gf at the cinema, afterward he immediately broke up with her). "Seven" may be fiction, but alas it does reflect what can happen in the real world, as infamous examples of real crime show all too well, going back to Jack the Ripper and beyond. In other words, I wonder whether diving too deep into this sort of material can damage us in certain ways (the more we see, perhaps the bigger the kick we get from it, and the ever darker we're prepared to go in the future), and if so then why does our culture makes such content at all, why does it not only invent deeply disturbing fiction and put it to film, but also evoke within us a form of admiration for that which we choose to see. What does this say about the nature of who we are or can be? Consider the contrast to the way people regard "positive" movies of the past, with an often rather dismissive tone, almost like it's wrong to watch a feel-good movie anymore (eg. "The Goonies", "Close Encounters", etc.) Are we being tricked in a way? ie. because it's possible to tell a really horrible story *well*, maybe we are so taken in by the film makers' skills that we welcome these dark things into our minds far too willingly. Reminds me of that Big Bang Theory episode where Raj broke up with a girl because he just could not tolerate her love of slash/gore horror films; I was impressed by that story line, that the writers chose to show a character who says, no, I'm not ok with this, and I choose to walk away, despite the loss of a relationship as the outcome. To rephrase my initial question, bearing in mind you described the movie experience as "brutal", would you, if you could, reach back and tell your younger self not to see this film? And if not, why? ie. having seen it, is there something of merit you think would be missing from the current you if you'd never seen it; if so, what? Surely it can't be as simple as merely having something in common with others who've seen the same thing, yet I'm just as guilty as using that "What's in the box?" line at times, despite the brutality of what it actually refers to re the source material. It's this apparent clash between what we describe as an unpleasant experience and yet often seem to have no regrets going through which intrigues me, something about us which makes it possible for us to regard negative things and experiences in a positive manner, like our feedback loops of +ve reinforcement can become ill wired (hence the existence of BDSM and the production of film series such as "Hellraiser"). Long ago one author called it, "The Left Hand Side of the Damned."
@andrewburgemeister6684
@andrewburgemeister6684 2 года назад
One of my friends saw it at Chadstone Shopping Centre in Melbourne, Australia when it came out and pretty much the same reaction, dead silence after the movie ended.
@brandonb.5304
@brandonb.5304 2 года назад
You and Sam are just such fantastic reactors. Your thoughtful comments and post-movie analysis and review are always insightful as well as entertaining. Being an avid movie watcher, finding you two during Covid was about the only good thing to come out of the last two years.
@ib-renejrgensen4211
@ib-renejrgensen4211 2 года назад
I watched this movie in the theatre when I was 15. It left a permanent impression on my mind. A masterpiece by Fincher.
@stsolomon618
@stsolomon618 2 года назад
This movie is so good. Originally Denzel Washington was supposed to play Brad Pitt character.
@TBRSchmitt
@TBRSchmitt 2 года назад
Brad Pitt was amazing and I am sure Denzel would have crushed it like he does every role!
@jackthenarrator4735
@jackthenarrator4735 2 года назад
R. Lee Ermy, who played the police chief (best known as the drill sargent from "Full Metal Jacket") was approached by Fincher to play John Doe originally, but Ermy didn't feel he was right for the role.
@johnneails9747
@johnneails9747 2 года назад
Although Freeman was as always superb, it would have been interesting to see him as Det. Somerset
@gustonzimasheen
@gustonzimasheen 2 года назад
@@jackthenarrator4735 That man always had great instincts.
@jasonthedave6140
@jasonthedave6140 2 года назад
@@TBRSchmitt have either of you guys watched 'Book of Eli' with Denzel?
@erinking2717
@erinking2717 2 года назад
I saw this in a movie theater in Lansing, Michigan and also in Ocean City, Maryland back in 1995, and both times the audience was dead quiet when we exited the theaters. It was like everyone was in shock from the ending. Still seems to have the same shocking effect to this day.😬
@chermebrownsauce8049
@chermebrownsauce8049 2 года назад
The grimy and rainy aspect of this movie are the best elements for me. Lots of scenes at night too. I love movies like this one. Not too many of them around tho
@xe666
@xe666 2 года назад
I like how it says "Fragile"on the box containing a severed human head :)
@shanenolan8252
@shanenolan8252 2 года назад
Thanks guys. I remember someone spoiled the ending before i saw this . But i still enjoyed it
@TBRSchmitt
@TBRSchmitt 2 года назад
Dang I'm sorry!
@shanenolan8252
@shanenolan8252 2 года назад
@@TBRSchmitt thanks. She only mentioned the box . Nothing else didn't even see a trailer
@marebear875
@marebear875 2 года назад
This has always been one of my favorite movies. It's an absolute masterpiece in every aspect. I think it's such an interesting film in terms of the conversations it opens up. In terms of the ending and the overall message that you take away, I feel like it can go different ways depending on how you look at it. On the one hand, it could be seen at face value that the murderer won, Brad Pitt represented someone driven to the edge and giving in, the world is a dark place and can break you if you let it etc. but at the same time, you could look at it in terms of John Doe only won if you buy into his view of the world, Brad's character is sympathetic in terms of "What would you do if you were in that situation? Does him killing John define who he is?Just like did the other victims' 'sins' define them?" and the message you take away depends on asking several things such as: "Is the world really just dark and evil or is there nuance? Does it depend on our job, our personal view of things, what we choose to focus on? Does acknowledging the fact that there is darkness in the world mean that the good matters or means less?" - There are so many questions and is so much commentary about the world, people, good and evil, how we react to things, how we let things affect us, how our worldview is created, what makes us good or bad and how we define ourselves and others....there is SOOOOO much to unpack, this movie is anything but simple, straight-forward, or just meant to be depressing and dark in my opinion. It's definitely taken several viewings for me to formulate my overall view of it though because it is A LOT to take in for sure. But I think this is why it's so brilliant because it looks and seems like one thing and one thing only but there are really so many layers that make you think about a lot of things. I also think Morgan Freeman and Brad Pitt's characters represent this dilemma and these questions. Is Brad's character wrong or naive for not being as depressed and pessimistic as Morgan's character? And conversely is Morgan's character right in his pessimism or is it just a bi product of the effect of his job and the horrors he's been exposed to? I also think the ending quote and the fact that Morgan's character says it IS actually positive - he still knows that the world is not a "fine place" but he agrees with the fact that it IS still worth fighting for despite that fact. There is hope there in his saying that and it actually shows that his character despite appearances has not been 100% beaten down. This also makes you wonder about Brad's character and that there might be hope for him to overcome this as well, like John didn't actually fully break him - he didn't win - he only wins and that worldview only wins if you allow it to. It's easy to allow the very real evil in the world to paint our view of things and drag us down into "it's just not worth it" but our strength comes from continually choosing to acknowledge the bad and then carry on fighting for the good. That's how that end quote affects me personally and that's the message that I take away now that I've seen it a few times and processed everything. I could go on and on but those are some of my thoughts about it. I'm glad you guys watched it and it affected you the way it did, it did its job for sure lol ;) Additionally - in my opinion, Brad Pitt's performance at the end is some of the best acting ever captured on screen. I am floored every time I see it; I think he deserves so much more credit not only for this movie but in general as an actor. I think he's phenomenal. And, it's a perfect example of a film that gets to you because of you filling in the gaps of the horror with your imagination. You do see things but not everything, some things are only talked about and I think the what you do see versus what you don't is perfectly balanced for effectiveness.
@gayhomosexuallll
@gayhomosexuallll 2 года назад
The quote is actually "The world is a fine place, and worth fighting for." Then he narrates "I agree with the second part." So he hadn't given up on humanity at the end (so to speak), he just doesn't like them (lol)
@randallshaw9609
@randallshaw9609 2 года назад
David's 'failure' at the end was the most disturbing part for me: not only did Doe die as he wanted but he died knowing his whole philosophical outlook was validated.
@davidw.2791
@davidw.2791 2 года назад
Probably why they also devised that alternate ending where Somerset shot him in the face so Mills won’t have to. Like the end of Batman Forever. 😅
@Flesharrower
@Flesharrower 2 года назад
Brad Pitt has been a real revelation to me over the years as an actor. This was a masterwork example of film making. The studio wanted Fincher to change the ending but he stuck to his guns, it got to the stage where Brad Pitt told the studio he would walk away from the project if they tried to change it. I'd recommend the series Mindhunter from Fincher, another brilliant bit of work and quite a lot to watch (multiple episodes for you guys!)
@parrychapman7703
@parrychapman7703 2 года назад
I, too, had the same reaction to this movie. A group of my college friends and I had decided to go to a movie and dinner on a Saturday night. The movie we decided on was Se7en. It was a bit of a different experience since we saw the movie in the theater. Everything was amplified. The lights were off and the big screen was right in front of you. That pulled you into the movie by itself. The surround sound brought every little squeak and click to the forefront. The bass made you feel every fall, jolt, or gunshot. Way more immersive than watching it on your TV at home. It affected everyone in the group just like it did you two. I was numb. I literally could not process a thought. As you said, we were stunned and were just sitting there wondering what do we do now. Needless to say, dinner after the movie was completely forgotten. I can definitely say that this was one of the most, if not the most, mind-bending movies I have ever seen.
@davidhutchinson7888
@davidhutchinson7888 2 года назад
Same here man, unforgettable
@shainewhite2781
@shainewhite2781 2 года назад
The twist ending... Holy Crap!! It's the most shocking I've ever seen!😱
@TBRSchmitt
@TBRSchmitt 2 года назад
That damn box!
@theponyisday
@theponyisday 2 года назад
What’s in the boooooooooooooox
@gustonzimasheen
@gustonzimasheen 2 года назад
Don't get ahead of yourself. Have yet to watch the ending.
@TheWindcrow
@TheWindcrow 2 года назад
@@ty_the_RetoVideo_guy5543r He made a pun sir ;)
@ty_the_RetoVideo_guy5543r
@ty_the_RetoVideo_guy5543r 2 года назад
@@TheWindcrow hahahaha I am a little slow....hahahaha 🤣
@charlesfostercringe4903
@charlesfostercringe4903 Год назад
The quote at the end is from "For Whom the Bell Tolls" by Ernest Hemingway. "The world is a fine place, and worth fighting for."
@yaburnt9754
@yaburnt9754 2 года назад
on my 10 best movies list
@birch5757
@birch5757 2 года назад
Her statement "he was the funniest guy I ever met" drew from me the same reaction as Freeman's: *in total shock* "have you met only 3 guys - including me?"
@knowyourhistory
@knowyourhistory 2 года назад
Found out Fincher was 29 when he directed this. Dude, what happened to him growing up to be like this.
@mapesdhs597
@mapesdhs597 2 года назад
Now that is a very good question... 8|
@penoyer79
@penoyer79 2 месяца назад
Fincher was coming off Alien 3 which was a disaster. FOX was doing all they could to blacklist him out of hollywood. Koppleson, the producer of this movie (who happened to be disgruntled with fox himself) had been intrigued with Fincher - especially since Sigourney Weaver defended Fincher so staunchly to the press; calling him a visionary who needs to be taken seriously. This lead koppleson to take a shot on Fincher. fincher knew he was getting a second chance with this movie and directed his ass off.
@dirkdigital
@dirkdigital 2 года назад
One of my favorite crime thrillers ever. David Fincher crafts such a fantastic film. He doesn't show the gore and violence, but lets the audience's imagination fill in the terror aspects. This movie disturbs even the most harden cinephile.
@SathReacts
@SathReacts 2 года назад
Was about to go to sleep and then yall drop this? HERE WE GO!
@Gnomojo
@Gnomojo 2 года назад
A little off topic but. I’m a big reactor guy and your logistics on your page is top notch. You categorize everything and not a lot of people will praise you for this. But I will.
@jillbradshaw858
@jillbradshaw858 2 года назад
I saw this in the theater. The entire audience sat in silence when it was over. Even when we started filing out of the theater, no one said a word. It was that shocking. Fun fact: Brad Pitt actually broke his arm during the chase scene and they just worked it into the film.
@Trip_Fontaine
@Trip_Fontaine Год назад
When I went to see it in theaters, I met a friend of mine who was just leaving the previous showing. He just gave me a blank stare and walked away without saying a word.
@RichDuckKing
@RichDuckKing Год назад
Absolute masterpiece. I always waffle between this & Silence of the Lambs as my favorite serial killer thriller ever (it changes every time I watch one or the other). It’s one of several movies I’ve seen so many times I’ve memorized it through sheer osmosis. One thing I love from a filmmaking perspective is how the entire movie is shot with still cams and crane shots EXCEPT when Mills chases Doe in the rain. Then it switches to handheld camera to put the viewer in the action. Nowadays damn near every film uses that shaky cam for the entire thing. Fincher used it so artfully.
@Drizzl1335
@Drizzl1335 2 года назад
One of my all time favorite movies! You guys have to react to Memento!
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