That's why poe2 will stomp diablo 4 till diablo v imagine making a joke of a wand/staff weilding class, and lets them weild a sword or a mace, good job blizzzard😂
This is Barblo IV. They will nerf everything except Gushing Wounds (they will even extend the duration of bleeding) and they won't remove tempers for Guttural Yell and Martial Vigor so Barb could be still immortal. But they will nerf FlameShield and won't add temper options for IronFur, Vigilance, or Heightened Senses. Did you notice that Sorc will lose CD on Offhand but Barb will get Vurnelable dmg on Polearm? Yeah... Barblo IV.
I was waiting for this. Most streamers and youtubers barely talk about sorcs. We're completely forgotten and Blizzard couldnt care less. I hope they see this. We really need sorcs to have more voice
@@Lurkin17 YES. And most of his sorc comments is EXCITEMENT for the new pants. Like, come ooooon. I know its not his main but blizzard sees what he posts and use for feedback. If we depend on the bigger streamers we are completely screwed
Listening you talk about Sorcerers is like the equivalent of when my mechanic tells my about my dying car. "You're not gonna like this but it's going to be drivable for a little bit."
Thanks I appreciate it. The class is the easiest class in the game to build and scale because there is no crazy math. Every is straight forward and simple multis. No convoluted interactions. We suffer as content has ballooned in difficulty and we can’t abuse unintended interactions besides shatter cascading
Glad to see people talking about spear/ice blade enchant! Love it on my bl build this season. Chain lightning will hopefully be good, only real exciting news from the ptr imo
Everyone still hung up on burning. Just scale that conj baby. Especially with the new unleash glyph getting another buff. Flamefeeder is slowly becoming unnecessary. You can run conjurerer too, to make spears last longer
the good news about that is it's an easy space to get into. I don't see anyone else really doing good content on it. Raxx will take 15 minutes to talk about sorc and mention like 2 things.
Make frozen tundra increase ice spike radius + % damage increase based on size. Same as how fierce winds affects dust devils on barb Add a ice spike size increase temper or add ice spike radius increase to the ice spike damage temper Maybe double chance to cast Blizzard temper? Would mean more ice spikes or a temper that has chance for extra ice spikes to spawn. Could also work with Blue Rose then. Make ice spike size scale with blizzard size Make ice spike damage scales with blizzard damage (extra ranks in blizzard would mean more damage for ice spikes) They're probably looking at Ice Spikes the same way they look at Dust Devils where you run all 3 aspects. Big difference is that barb has more weapons and has the space for more aspects. Change the Blizzard enchant to actually be useful. Enchantments overall need a fairly large rework. Also, bring back the 3rd enchantment slot or even 4. Enchantments on top of their normal affect should also do an overall buff like every frost enchantment causes skills to chill (more frost skills mean even more chill or a direct chance to freeze), every fire enchantment causes skills to burn, etc. Maybe take a page from Necro with a sacrifice system for every slot not used, you get some kind of bonus. Change Fractured Hourglass to only spawn Lightning Spears if there are already max hydras and ice blades out. Since it can just respawn and delete one of the existing ones, we get a lot less conjures out than we should be. Maybe up the cap of ice blades though that could make CDR pretty crazy. Seems fine when Barb can reduce its cooldowns just by killing bleeding enemies. Make a glyph similar to Marshall. Lowering defensive skill CD based off of enemies around or damage prevented or on some other conditon. Make a glyph similar to Disembowel. Chance to lower CD of skills when killing chilled/frozen enemies or burning enemies or stunned enemies, etc. This is something that is needed even more since they're removing CDR from focus. All fire skills should cause burning even if its a small amount so you don't have to run Firebolt enchantment to proc Devouring Blaze. It was always weird to me that hitting someone with a fireball doesn't cause burning. Or make the temper that has lucky hit to proc an elemental damage also cause the associate condition. Fire damage causes burning, cold causes chill, lightning does something that can add up to a stun, poison does poison, physical does bleeding, shadow does a shadow dot. Could add some synergy with X'fals. The new boots should work with Meteor if you run Starfall so maybe there's something there to be played around with. Adding glyphs that can lower CD of skills can also have a lot of synergy with Meteor. If the devs leave the Bash temper to be multiplicative, then make all of the skill tempers be multiplicative so things are comparable. Base temper not only gives a multiplicative damage buff but also makes Bash cleave. Have the existing tempers also increase radius of skills or the double cast ones increase damage/radius. Get rid of the give/take mentality on Sorc uniques and aspects. The other classes don't have things like that as much Add something to Shatter that scales off of vuln or crit damage. I'd also love to see something that would let you cast skills while moving. For those that have been playing Whirlwind Barb, the game feels very smooth when you can be moving around and attacking. Gloves of the Illuminator less damage on fireball bounce. How about make the fireballs get bigger and deal more damage as they travel. With Teleport CD getting increased, remove the CD penalty on Raiment or even reverse it so it reduces CD. Remove the random teleport from Oculus Revert Tal Rasha back to 5 stacks for a possible 75% damage increase. Change Control aspect back to how it was during S0 when each qualifying condition stacked 30% each. Retribution is working like that now where if an enemy is stunned and knocked down, you get 30% modifier twice.
thanks, appreciate it. we honestly aren't that down bad. we aren't really in any different spot than we were from right now. we just didn't get all the buffs we were hoping for
Even the Blizz team said S4 gear restructuring and class balancing (cough-cough, lol) would take time. Hopefully this chain lightning build is good, hydra looks promising too. Really hoping they resurrect the Griffin’s Eye… 🙌
More enchantment slots will do nothing for the class unless survivability is addressed. Most sorc builds use 4 defensives one core and a random skill. You would need to invest a few skill points in order to enable your enchants which means you will end up more squishy. How would you make 3 enchants work ?
@@williamkittrell9123 the issue is we dont have enough skill points to invest in an extra enchantment to make the enchantment impactful and damaging enough to matter. Say you made an incinerate mage and wanted to add firewall, thats 7 skill points invested into firewall then youll need the aspects/items to make these enchants stromger too while still maintaining your core skill power. Its just not possible which is why having a 3rd enchant wont work and the few that would work, itll more be for utility not raw dps for example a frozen orb sorc, its firebolt and frozen orb that are the enchantments of choice. if yoy had a 3rd one youd likely be adding ice blades for the CDR utility and applying vulnerable or in HC the flame shield enchant.
Yeah this is what I harped on when I talked about enchantments eating into the design space. You lose things like an amulet passive when you want to do firebolt
@@Lurkin17 the enchantment system as a whole needs a rework, we simply dont have enough skill points or the resources (paragon points, aspects etc) to fully utilize this system. Either we need a separate point system for enchantments or make them completely independent somehow that isnt linked to using skill points on our skill tree.
@@Lurkin17 absolutely! I’ve been running a hydra incinerate leveling build for S4 using Tyreals, Starless, Tals, and Shako (plus level 55 925 gear). I opened up caches and goblin treasure bags on my alt and built the set up - super OP.! Got lucky on the 925 level 55 Tals (dropped from Iron Wolves cache). Can’t wait to see your builds. I’m out of reach on vacation (no wifi lol).
I think Chain Light with Vyrs is going to kickass. I don’t care if a barb can do a billion damage on their boring ass builds. I’m going to fucking cook as emperor palpatine
You made me love sorc more than my rogue and I am a rogue player from season 1. I just hate mis timing shields and then getting 1 shotted. All your builds are solid tho.
Chain lightning has always been my fav sorc skill. Every season its my leveling build and its tons of fun. Im going to spend this while week cooking up something with these new uniques. My current build can clear 135 pit so im optimistic theres something there
@@Lurkin17 I'm using adariels and tyraels. I'm also adding shadow DMG to get the 5th (that only actually grants the full 4) from tal Rasha. Atk SPD is about 75% before elixir and other buffs. 135 was lucky NGL cuz I got the spirit aller and finished it with 23 sec remaining. Also post pit nerfs. 9 ranks in glass cannon cu I can't find a ga devouring blaze amulet lol
FYI there's a charged bolts builds atm with Andy's that's cleared pit 101 it's on d2core hopefully Lurkin you'll check it out it's super fast and pretty kool.
yeah I think you can literally slot andys on any build and wreck. its dealing like 4x the damage its supposed to i think. unfortunately for me, i never figured this out because i salvaged mine for shako, and then never did anymore uber farming
I requested a refund for expansion preorder after seeing those patch notes for Sorc. Blizz actually agreed and granted me a refund (90 Euros). They removed cosmetics and plat from my account as I asked them in the ticket. Then I made a post about it on D4 US forum. It got about 80 upvotes and 100 replies (half of it was as good as spam). But today damage control team kicked in and guess what? My post was deleted for 'the community feels it is inflammatory, extraneous or upsetting.' They also deleted few other similar posts. So Sorc is not allowed to do dmg in game and also the forum 🤣 I guess I need to behave for a while now or they might just straight up ban/delete my account 😅
@@Lurkin17 tibaults is one of the best pants hand down. i am playing sorc since diablo 2 and love this character. i sure will watch your streams tomorrow in the ptr. thx :) and i am very excited about the new pants
Im already peek build with arc lash and clearing 90's.. only issue was the boss, still get the 90 boss (very hard to kill 90 boss with arclash) I can't wait for arclash buff
we will see when PTR Is up but I reckon that my current incinerate build does much worse than before ptr, and they said they will never do that again after the debacle that was season 1 patch - making your character/builds weaker than before...
Hey Lurkin, I got a question for you. What do you think about sorcerers being able to wear extra rings like 3 or 4? Since other classes can use 3 or 4 weapons?
They really should do something with immobilize. Freeze we have ice shards. Stun we have charged bolts and static discharge, immobilize we have nothing
@@Lurkin17 i meant like some sort of proc for achieving immobilize. Maybe a homing flair automatically launches at an immobilized enemy, or immobilized enemies are caught on fire and burn, something that we can utilize for extra effects and damage.
I need to stop watching youtubers who said t81-100 can be done with any shitty gears. I am just barely doing T50 pit and Dungeon 90. Basically you need GEARS and the right gears which you need time to farm. Don't tell me with any shitty gears.
Dont expect any of the "big 3" builds to stay anywhere near to 130, that was only due to perfma flame shield (playing 100% offensive with 13k hp and non-max armor/res). Sorcs are loosing about 50% dps just from being forced to run some armor/life/defensive aspect and more defensive paragon and no topazes in armor. On top of that sorcs will not be able to pull 6 elite pacs and kill them in 1 group not caing about unstopable or anything due to flame shield, so we will have to play more carefully. Overall I expect highest sorc clears on PTR to be around pit 115-120, being by far the worst class. Ball Lightning is Dark horse with the new Vyrs Mastery might be best build, but given that the 130 clears were only done with Shatter, even if new Vyr was strong & helped with boss I would still not see BL above 125.
tbf after the pit nerfs, a lot of these builds can get away without running perma FS. You basically just give up concussive for a defensive aspect and take tibault's and you are back even. you can run the 8 glyph glass boards and be fine. but yeah we will have to give up some topaz iin armor for rubys so i feel you. I expect T125-T130 in PTR. CL could be goated too, we don't know. Defensives iin paragon are overrated as well. it's all conditional. What kills me is always the shades, and conditional does nothing for them so i don't bother. It's concentration or mage lord IMO. But if Vyr's ends up not working well with other skills, I can see frozen orb tumbling or just resorting to taking ancient flame again
It dosn't matter what they put into the PTR because if we do find something powerrful they just nerf it into the ground like Frozen Orb in S4 because having a powerful build does not = fun apprently. I honestly at this point just gave up on playing a Sorc because I dislike how they treat the class.
The new implicit stat to Staves being DOT damage doesn't make sense to me.. The 2 new unique staves they showed off in the campfire chat still had 35%dmg to CC'd enemies as their implicit. Super confused if staves have an option to roll either implicit, or those uniques are designed to roll the old/existing implicit. Or the chart they showed off was wrong. i guess ptr will reveal all
Won't this temper disappear from the game? Unless I increase the number of times I can do it, it's not worth it. As long as Sorc remains weak I won't go back to this game and I won't give in to another class.
Wonder if new staff and flameweaver could be a good combo with esu attack speed. No more flame cheese tho which I don't mind. Looking mid for sorc in S5.
not really. flameweaver builds cast like 1 firewall per every 20 firebolt casts. you need to use a core to get the firebolt procs. and it doesn't have basic skill attack speed, just core attack speed
Can anyone tell me how we are suppose to generate barrier now?? If im reading this correctly the barrier will not gain in size when you deal damage. So... ya that in itself is a gigga nerf.
We do have ice armor cooldown as a temper now so hopefully that will help, plua every 50 mana we spend we take 1 second off its cooldown so maybe it wont be bad at all.
@@kevinsims5791 we shall see... but 40% of 15-20k health is nothing compared to regenerating the barrier the entire time its on. Its absolutely ridiculous either way. I honestly dont think they have a developer who really understands how sorc works, and what we actually want/need.
@@overpowerrd yes i know that but you have to wait much shorter now to put it on again. Max cooldown reduction is 75%. If you max that out then that means ice armor will have a 5 second cooldown, plus hectic or ice blades will make it cast faster so i dont think its gona be bad. Would you rather have that or wait 10 to 15 seconds of not having something on? Just do your rotation. You were already doing that before.
@@kevinsims5791YA we shall see, i just think its going to be pretty rough, given that sorc is getting all of their defensive abilities absolutely gutted...in a world where we already die in 1 hit because we dont have any measurable health. i have every piece of gear with GA cooldown and 3 hits of masterwork on each including shaco. i dont know why they put a cap on cooldown at 75% because its not possible to reach 75%. It should be, but by my observation, CDR has dimishing value above 60%. At 62% which is my current value of cdr, when i (just testing) put on a GA cdr xfal ring, i should get another 18%, or at least cap at 75%. But it roughly gives me about 7%.
lost 3s cooldown refund nerfed tp enchant to 30s tp enchant no longer scales with cdr raiment +20% longer cd now 11(?) base to 14 which will exactly screw over every build until you reach 99% optimized gear
I tried doing a Crackling Energy build and have given up on it. You can't make enough crackling energy against a boss without a massive CDR on Unstable Currents, and Lightning Spear does pathetic damage, no matter how many there are. A pure Teleport build fared even worse, and now Teleport is receiving a nerf, lol... Meanwhile, it takes Barb 1.5 seconds to kill the boss monster in the helltides while I and another sorc need 10 minutes to wear her down. This game is a joke.
man, i just dont know anymore... I hope they fix the classes. I dont understand the affixation on barb. The other classes are so bad that when wanting to play togethr with friends it just makes the gap so unfun man... Nurfs on classes yet no in game trading, items can still brick, and RWT is off the roof... man this is just sad. I wish I was as naive as the people that are exited for the ptr and new stuff coming... great more ishth to dig through to get teh item you want.... ugh... So hrd to not see it in a neg way man... :/
I swear blizzard doesn’t like us because we’re not barbs who are all out here buying that bull armor set in the shop. I bet if some of us buy a set in the shop, they’ll consider buffing us 😂
Idk im stoked Chain Lightning got something. I hope we get stuff in the expansion thats about it. I am going to have fun in august for S5 then relax until expansion
@@Lurkin17 its more of a balance statement. I dont mind playing Sorc hard mode, and have pushed to 115 on my fire sorc. Its just watching a barb with worse gear be basically unkillable will always be annoying from a balance perspective. Which is why I also have a flay barb now…..
tbf we didn't really get nerfed that bad. we just got caught in the crossfire of them globally capping all legendary nodes so its easier for them to balance the game as a whole
why tf do they buff barb and give us this garbage? so disappointing. they need to fire the balancing team and get someone in there that knows whats going on in the ACTUAL game. ffs
Ok but sorc fastest class in the guantlet. Sorc highest pusher in the pit. You guys are not objective. Sorc is arguably the strongest class. Shatter was not touched you guys will be fine.
Flame shield cheese isn't the same as hitting for 300mill to over 1 bill. We do well only when there's a bug, I'd rather be able to compete consistently without bugs. I don't wanna be crazy op I want all characters to be relatively close in DMG and survivability, but diff in play style
oh my sweet child. you know nothing of this class. sorc is the fastest class in the game, but no one cares about gauntlet and it's irrelevant. Firebolt builds are a blip, and without perma flameshield every build has to now balance defensives and offensives. overall everyone does less damage. Firebolt is borderline unplayable without perma flame shield because it's extremely clunky. also if you take away spiritcaller of the frost pit boss, firebolt tumbles down like 30 tiers lol. "Wow this skill is really good on a single boss because it can shatter cheese mobs", Sorc class is really strong. Massive L take. Not every boss in the game spawns a trillion mobs you can clump up and shatter cheese with. That is bad game design and thought to think every sorc build is good because it should ignore all the other 5 Key passives and just shatter everything to make it good. Every day I get comments like yours and it drives me up a wall
Only someone who doesn't play the class at all could believe this. The highest pushing build in pit requires insanely perfect gear to maximize attack speed and maintain permanent uptime on flame shield, something that is completely beyond the reach of 99.9% of players. Even then, it also requires fishing for a particular boss that summons minions to proc shatter. It was only able to compete for damage because it could afford to drop all defensive gems, paragon, affixes, and aspects because of perma flame shield. Judging the health of the whole class based on an outlier build that abused a mechanic that is getting removed is wild. Permanent flame shield is toxic and I'm glad it's gone, but if you really think sorcs will be fine after losing it, having ice shield gutted, losing CDR on offhand, longer teleport CD (which means less uptime on teleport DR), nerfed burning instinct, and -15% ice spikes damage, I don't really know what to tell you. Sorcs will need to spec substantially more defensively just to survive high pit, which means giving up a lot of damage.
@@Lurkin17 What I am reading from this is that you are not satisfied with pushing the highest with fishing like every other class does. You want to be the highest pusher without fishing. Trolling aside, I agree with you man in that other than Shatter Cheese sorc is weak, this is 100% true. However, pushing the pit is a fishing cheesing fiesta for EVERY CLASS, Sorc is just the best at it. I think the fair thing to do would be to delete Shatter and buff the shit out of every SORC key passive and damage passives. But I would not support buffs to Sorcs so long as you have Shatter in your skill tree. Why? Because there will always be ways to abuse a Shatter beyond what other classes can do with their capped key passives. I think is a bad design for one class to have uncapped damage while the rest of the classes are capped. (I know that is not technically true because you need to start the chain reaction, but you get the point)
Man I'm a sorc main, can make a sorc with my eyes closed, and use your paragon builds to compare and really similar.. but hot damn you are speaking fax on the changes. I'm genuinely curious, do you have contact with the devs? Because I'm not sure they listen to us little people.
I do not personally have direct contact. I have to go through certain channels, and they will mainly only relay information about bugs for me. However during the PTR, a select few of us do get to create a sheet of feedback that we send directly to the blizzard devs. We did a bad job last time and had too much information. They couldn't deal with what we sent that well. So this time it should be better if I keep it simple and brief
