Seating Die Marks on your Bullet?

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@westtexas3041 2 года назад

Great in depth information. Thank you Mark.

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Cheers Rich, thanks

@ljsadventures8879 2 года назад

As always, great information! Thanks Mark and Sam 🤙

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Cheers

@MegaPoxie 2 года назад

I used to use the lube pad to apply a smear of lube to the inside of the neck of the case and then I tried dipping the neck into graphite-coated ceramic spheres, no sticky lube touching the powder and it's an oilless alternative. It seems to me to give more consistent bullet tension, very easy to use and no mess, "Imperial" makes it. Yet again, great infomation! Cheers.

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Cheers Mark, thanks

@DenverLoveless 2 года назад

Thanks once again. I had just accepted "the mark" as part of life. I'll try some of your tips and see what happens.

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Cheers Man, thanks

@aussiesteveakastevecallagh2280 2 года назад

Great stuff Mark as usual thanks for the info , Steve .

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Cheers Steve, thanks

@Tikka300- 2 года назад

Great advice as always mate thanks Mark👍

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Cheers

@roryrohrer7640 2 года назад

Fabulous information, I started to get light witness marks on my 308 and 6.5 creedmoor loads but the groups seemed more consistent so I just went with it. I didn't notice anything in my data being different, so I just see it as a gauge that my neck tention is consistent

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Well, reasons are all explained, but if your happy with your result, go with it, Cheers

@drd1924 Год назад

Light witness marks aren't so much a big deal unless it begins to deform the jacket. I have found certain seating stems have a very evident transition right in the Ogive at the point where it puts pressure on the bullet to seat it into the case neck.... As opposed to a stem which sort of smoothly transistions the inside radius and matches the shape of the ogive. The closer you can match the shape of the ogive offers the most surface area to seat the bullet as opposed to one single sharp edge pushing down on the bullet. Some stems I have spun in the lathe or even a drill and sanded away the sharp edge inside the stem which helps. Other guys I have read actually put some epoxy inside the stem then insert their bullet into the stem so that the inside of the stem matches the shape of the bullet to alleviate any single portion denting the bullet. Anneal your brass about every 3rd reloading also helps achieve consistent neck tension to prevent jacket deformation.

@scottrussell6717 2 года назад

Have reloaded for 25 years.... years ago I shot long range.. now that I am really old the ring doesn't matter because I just mainly hunt

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Cheers

@stevewhite4392 2 года назад

I put a little JB Weld in the stem and use a waxed bullet to make a custom fit. Works great to prevent marks...my .223 seater really has issues with the long ELD bullets.

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Cheers Steve, yeh that would work to, thanks man, cheers

@gilream 2 года назад

That is a very novel idea Steve White. Makes really good sense.

@rosswitte Месяц назад

I was thinking a plastic cap or piece of leather. Nice!

@wolverinekut 2 года назад

Thank you Sir! Very helpful 👍👍💯

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Cheers Man, thanks

@phil20_20 2 года назад

Thanks! Now I can tell people I was going for consistency!

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Lol, cheers

@fwod1867 2 года назад

Some seating stamps have sharp edges. Smooth polishing helps. Sometimes changing the seating stamps helps. Brass prep brings the most, as Mark said.

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Cheers Man, thanks

@stefantrischuk3480 2 года назад

Very interesting. Thanks for making this video

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Cheers

@shanegibb997 2 года назад

Well explained Mark , as soon as you start talking " i start listening "..

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Cheers Shane, thanks

@dbkonkle 2 года назад

If you take a projectile and wrap a small piece of fine sandpaper or emery cloth around it where the rings form, you can easily take the sharp edge off by inserting it in the seating stem and twisting gently. Follow up with a little polishing compound on a thin cloth on the tip of a projectile to clean up the sanding marks.

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Cheers

@drakkondarkblood6638 2 года назад

Also found when I switched to VLD projectiles that I was getting those marks. Redding made a seating pin for VLDs, so got one and put that in my seating die and this fixed my marks. Most newer dies probably come with VLD ones, but if it's an old die could check to see if you can get a seating pin designed for VLDs. I use it on all my projectiles and don't have a problem.

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Cheers

@mattfleming86 2 года назад

For readers: use a long drop tube or vibratory settling techniques when using loads with compressed powder. This can give you some buffer to avoid deformation when working with compressed loads.

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Yes. also tapping gently can help settle too, Cheers

@oddursigurdsson3046 2 года назад

Great info, thanks for sharing :)

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Thanks Oddur, Cheers

@chrismiller6792 2 года назад

I used some 1000grit wet and dry sandpaper and with WD-40 glued the paper to a ELDM 168g projectile gleued that to a little rod and just lightly cleaned up the edge on my hornady DIE ;-) . That fixed it for me . Probably not best practice lol 😂 but worked for me . Great 😊 video mark

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Cheers Chris

@Hellvoisin 2 года назад

I put valve lapping compound on the bullet and spin it in the seater to ''shape'' the seater. I don't ''wipe'' down the Hornady Atip lube with the supplied cloth and use it as a seating lube....Great info..Cheers

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Thanks for the suggestion Frank, Cheers

@Rattletrap-xs8il 2 года назад

I machine generic seating dies that have an oversize cavity. Then fill the cavity with hot-melt glue used for holding nocks and tips in arrow shafts. Then I bring the seating die down onto the bullet I'm using (with mod release on it). The glue perfectly molds to the shape of the bullet. I shave off any excess glue. I do this on my resizer also (makes a bigger difference on lead). Anyway, love the channel and thanks for the tips.

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Cheers Man, thanks

@dandingfelder6763 2 года назад

Great idea! Thanks for the tip!

@johannesvanhoek9080 2 года назад

Knowledge is power 👍

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Cheers

@amirdzaferovic3489 2 года назад

Great Video!

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Cheers Amir

@frankbodenschatz173 10 месяцев назад

Thanks Mark!

@markandsamafterwork 10 месяцев назад

Cheers Frank

@frankbodenschatz173 10 месяцев назад

@@markandsamafterwork Mark, I'm going to start reaming out the necessary slightly with the Sinclair tool.

@GRT1865 2 года назад

There you go making me think again. HAHAHA. As always thank you for the insight. Stay safe. Take care. Have fun. 😎

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Lol, cheers

@trickymick6229 2 года назад

I’ve found that a simple fix is a felt bob on a die grinder with a gentle abrasive putts a very small radius on the seating stem. Eliminating the ring on the bullet. Use caution! Tip needs to be smaller than bullet diameter. Choose a bob that looks like a cone. Just a kiss. Well that’s how I overcame the problem. Party on cheers from the US. Thanks for the video

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Cheers Mick, thanks

@trickymick6229 2 года назад

@@markandsamafterwork absolutely. I love your channel. Keep up the good work! Blessings

@Jeff_Seely Год назад

Wonderful Mark! I, an admitted neophyte to reloading, recently obsessed about the very faint ring on my rifle bullet. I scoured the forums and the more I read about the subject, the more I felt that I needed a resolution. I am almost embarrassed about the money I spent on different stems and other "remedies". Nothing fixed the issue. More recently I was reloading and I thought, " wait a minute. The barrel cuts and distorts around .008in gouges into the bullet after firing, and what am I trying to get rid of? .0001in faint rings. Why"? Well, I have not noticed a verified change in my groups either way. I wished I'd thought to check your channel and see your perspective. I would have paused on all of this ring trouble. Thank you for covering the topic.

@markandsamafterwork Год назад

Cheers Jeff, thanks

@scottbarrett4753 2 года назад

Nice. Thanks.

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Cheers

@johncburks4392 2 года назад

Hey Mark, what I do is clean out the mouth of the casings before I run them through my sizer die. It helps out a lot along those lines.

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Some leave the slight carbon there as to act a a lube too, lots of ways to skin that cat, Cheers

@sandybartlett1333 5 месяцев назад

As usuall a super great video.

@markandsamafterwork 5 месяцев назад

Thanks Sandy

@DanielBoone337 2 года назад

What I've found to get around marking up the bullets was something I learned off the JRB channel... The Hornady custom bullets seating die with the different seating stems. You tend to be able to find a good fitting stem that even with really compressed loads you don't mark up the bullets at all or get just little scuffs but no deformation... Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!

@DanielBoone337 2 года назад

Well I should've watched a few more mins because you basically said the same thing.... LOL

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Lol, Cheers Dan thanks

@bobbygreen2291 2 года назад

You are right again , if a guy has marks on his bullets , he definitely needs to change something,,seating stem , or case neck chamfer angle , or dies if he needs to but definitely something

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Cheers Bobby, thanks

@borisj4054 2 года назад

I got impressions from the seating die on the Hornady 225 EDLs. Managed to reprofile the bullet seat geometry with a carbide die grinding cutter. All good now. Pity Hornady do not include appropriate bullet seats in their kits to suit their projectiles.

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Cheers

@D70340 2 года назад

Well not everybody is shooting ELD bullets. So why would Hornady just throw away more cost into their dies for something the majority does not use. At least Hornady gives you the option to buy the right seater plug for the ELD`s. And its NOT expensive.

@bryanohalloran9001 2 года назад

On the odd occasion I have rubbed the base of the projectile in my hair, as it picks up the tiniest amount of body oil and helps the initial part of the seating process

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Cheers Bryan, thanks

@Antares2358 2 года назад

Sand the inside of your seating stem, this will reduce this marking, which is common on ELD projectiles.

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

As mentioned, yes, Cheers

@rosswitte 17 дней назад

I got 99% of problem solved by attaching a heavy duty cotton swab to my power drill and adding FLITZ to the swab. I then spun it around for a minute or so in the die seating stem. I will repeat this again to see about getting the 1% out. I also ordered another brand seating stem to see if that makes a difference. If that doesn't work, I will make a cast of the bullet profile in the seating stem using JBWeld like stevewhite suggested below.

@markandsamafterwork 17 дней назад

Cheers

@user-xb4qp5fy1n 2 года назад

One of the fclass guys I follow uses graphite dry neck lube prior to seating and I don’t think it interferes with powder. Have you given just that a try and found it to be lacking compared to the standard lube? Love the videos and all the information you bestow on us! Thank you!

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Cheers Man, thanks

@nicsu2128 11 месяцев назад

Mandrels are better than expander balls because they float allowing for better concentricity. Expander balls can work the shoulder with pushing and pulling. You can get a mandrel for about $25 for the exact diameter you want the ID of the case to have. The biggest problem reloaded face is consistent neck tension. Mandrels are the way to go, especially if coupled with a bushing resizing die.

@markandsamafterwork 11 месяцев назад

Cheers

@akunclebull 2 года назад

Just a thought from an old shooter. In addition to the great info from this video, I was having the same problem and solved it by lubing my bullet of choice, adding hot glue to the seating cone and place the bullet in the hot glue, waiting for it to cool. The lubed bullet came out of seating easily. Custom fit after a bit of clean up.

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Thanks Bill, Cheers

@chadstevenson4938 Год назад

Use powder granite on the base of the bullet. Granite is used to coat the powder, to help with the powder flow through the scale, trickler.

@markandsamafterwork Год назад

Cheers

@ianmcminn8127 6 месяцев назад

Thx Mark. Wouldn’t a little dip into dry lube be the perfect solution. I have an excellent dry lube application pot I use just for neck resizing on the once fired Lapua cases that haven’t shown enough growth to FL resize. I think it’s made by Sinclair.

@markandsamafterwork 6 месяцев назад

Lube can help, but all relevant, Cheers

@brettcleveland6335 2 года назад

Have you tried graphite powder in the necks? I dip necks in powder then use a separate expander as you said. It's very cheap to buy from engineering supply. Gives very low SD.

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Yes that will work also, other bullet coatings can also help, this is just a little help for those they need it, Cheers

@skinnypedaldown5044 8 месяцев назад

Anneal the brass! Then do the steps you subscribe. Great video. Great points.

@markandsamafterwork 8 месяцев назад

Cheers Man

@sandych33ks1 2 года назад

I hope you continue testing the 22-250 shooting the 88 and 90 grain pills with that faster twist rate. Im in the process of do8ng the same.

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Cheers

@misterlewgee8874 2 года назад

Tried Redding Dry lube? With porcelain media? Dip neck in, wipe outside clean.

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Good suggestion, Cheers

@misterlewgee8874 2 года назад

I use it for seating, others use it when sizing neck, in conjunction with lube for case body. Note, at first I bought Imperial Dry Neck Lube. This doesn't have media. Then bought Imperial application media with dry neck lube. I Lee collet neck size, ..it is a dry process. (17rem,222, a little bit of 270win). Usually don't need to bump the shoulder in my case. Thanks for the videos..

@John-uo1qf 2 года назад

How many hours do you have available “after work”? :)

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

None, lol, cheers

@robcullen9984 2 года назад

Hi Mark I have just done some random rounds for 300 PRC with weights from 178 ,210, 220g for new gun break in and initial sight in, i got lapua brass coz thats pretty much all i could get , i loaded 20 rounds of 5 different bullets and insert pressure was consistent to me ,question is , lapua being supposedly the ducks nut in brass- would that be a decent guide to feel / pressure required to insert the bullet into a factory sized cartridge to compare against handloads after renecking / sizing. hope that makes sense . Relatively new to reloading and have never paid that much attention to this bit, now after watching this i know of more things to look out for Cheers Rob

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Hi Rob, couldn't say, one batch of brass is not the same as another, but I have never loaded any brass without sizing first, so, as said couldn't say, lol, Cheers

@robcullen9984 2 года назад

@@markandsamafterwork Oh Oh, told you i was a newbie, does that mean i should be resizing new brass lol ?

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Maybe get your self a reloading manual and get a little reading on the subject, lol, Cheers

@rockspringswoodturner4502 9 месяцев назад

Start with polishing the bullet seating cup with a fine compound.

@markandsamafterwork 9 месяцев назад

Cheers

@nicsu2128 11 месяцев назад

The problem I have with these witness marks is inconsistent seating depth. I get a .005” dent in the bullet, that’s a bullet sitting .005” further out of the case than the rest of them. For semi auto I don’t want to lube the neck or bullet for it to slip in the case easier, because it can cause it to be easier moved by the violent action. I remove the stem and put it in a vice and use the bullet I will be loading with some lapping compound to match the stem to the bullet.

@markandsamafterwork 11 месяцев назад

Thanks Man, Cheers

@peterg1448 2 года назад

nice timing i am working through this problem at the moment makes a mess of vmax projectiles with how thin there jackets are, think its the seater is binding seeing as i hbn coat projectiles they should not be sticking the dies have had near on 67000 round through them by now

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Cheers Pete, thanks

@davidhandyman7571 2 года назад

Thanks again Mark. I use the Lee Ultimate Die set which includes the Factory Crimp die. Could a smoother bullet seating be achieved by using a slightly bigger ball mandrel and then use the factory crimp die to get the correct and consistent neck tension?

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Hi Dave, only a basic bit of help, but not gong any deeper, sorry, Cheers

@mattfleming86 2 года назад

Due to the numerous factors that can determine "how much" crimp any die supplies (bullet diameter differences, neck thickness, trim length, etc) It is generally advised to avoid crimping in precision rounds. Save that for tube fed guns and magnum revolvers. If your neck sizing is appropriate, you don't even need crimp on semi-auto rifles.

@davidhandyman7571 2 года назад

@@markandsamafterwork Thanks Mark. Much appreciated. I have not had the problem and was just wondering if it might be helpful to others.

@davidhandyman7571 2 года назад

@@mattfleming86 Thanks for the advice Matt. I haven't had any issues that Mark was talking about. It was an enquiry based on curiosity.

@richardharvey1637 2 года назад

Bit of cutting compound inside stem and use a bullet to polish to a better fit.

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Cheers

@FC2ESWS Год назад

Would annealing help ease the tension so you don't get marks?

@markandsamafterwork Год назад

Sometimes, but not often

@fredrikottesen1480 2 года назад

Hi Mark, huge fan from Norway here. can you give me a suggestion about the "best" 6,5mm caliber for shooting out to 1.000-1500 meters, when i say "best" i put it in these categories, fairly cheap to load, easy to load, and performance. i have been looking on these calibers: 6,5PRC, 6,5x47 Lapua, 6,5-284Norma and 260 remington, today i have a 22-250rem and a 30.06AI, i wan't a dedicated long range rifle in between the 22-250 and 30.06AI, but it want it to have a little "punch" i hope you have time to give me your opinion, love your channel and learning a whole lot from you Cheers.

@markandsamafterwork 2 года назад

Hi Fred, we have videos with lots of info and try to help make sense of things for folks, but sorry, I don't make suggestions or recommendations like that, Cheers

@fredrikottesen1480 2 года назад

@@markandsamafterwork Okay, i understand that. Can you say anything about how you think the PRC is gonna stay in the game for a while or do you think it is more like a flop, since we already got cartridges that does similar performance on the marked? :)