This is pure gold. I remember back in the day JM advocating having ANY food source with you to eat because any calories are better than no calories if you’re trying to gain weight.
His stuff works... use this tool I did(I went from 163 to 200 in a year ish) called 'weight gain calculator'(google it), just make sure you diligently track and unless you're eating upwards of 4.5 to 5 k calories you'll still wanna track the proteins and keep them high. Gl pal
First of all, that voice does not match that figure. Second, that was a very well-articulated information regarding energy balance in the most fundamental way. 100% catered to the hardgainers.
I know people rag on the dirty bulk but it really worked great for me..went from 179 up to 221..put on a lot of strength during the process..leaned back out to 185 and my body composition was completely diffrent..shoulders wider arms bigger even abs more defined than before..kept some of the strength and it was a nice mental break from strict dieting also
@@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514 I probably won't do it to that extreme again but it laid a nice foundation to build on..since I made the original comment I've lost another 5lbs and look more defined and my strength is still improving..I'm nearly benching and dead lifting now what I was at 221.. 221 bench 315 180 bench 305 221 deadlift 475 180 deadlift 455
@@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514 6lbs but leaner, 10lbs maybe overall muscle. you're pretty dumb if you wouldnt trade being a LITTLE fat for a bit for 10lbs of muscle jesus these maingaining bullshit morons lol
@@Shadowchaos800 Before the bulk I just trained a bro split and didn't really push any kind of progression.I think my best numbers were a 275 bench 275 squat and a 365 deadlift..Then I decided to run wendler 531 and after that kinda stalled I ran smolov for squat and bench and ate everything I wanted during the process..I ended up with a 315 bench 405 squat and a 475 deadlift at my best.
He is the best guest. JM wouldn’t remember me at all but I trained at worlds around JM from the time I was about 22-32 (I’m 37 now) and the dude is just a pleasure to talk to from his thoughts on building muscle to life he is great to listen to. Is thoughts on life in general are quite interesting. One of my friends was trained under him while bulking and homeboy was eating king sized candy bars during training lol.
@@submissionartist444 I put it in mfp and that's what it told me, my guess is there's a lot of undeclared calories in there, most likely sugar calories and trans fats
I think a big problem is the clean bulk vs dirty bulk issue. While there certainly can be a "dirty bulk", I think by and large the "clean bulk" is something coined by pro bodybuilders. While it is true you can gain weight on a healthy diet, some athletes cannot possibly consume enough calories through artificially restricted diets. Sometimes a bit of bread and butter never hurt anybody.
@@vikingstrongman5903 Dude, mayo is nothing but your "healthy" rancid oil with a bit of egg yolk... Got to love how mayo bad oil good, while they are 99% the same shit.
@@vikingstrongman5903 If you want a fat good for cooking use anything saturated (fats that are solid at room temperature) beside raw butter (clarified will work, the milk proteins and sugars in raw burn easily). Sure, all the vitamins in fat will get destroyed, but the fat it self will not oxidize in to cancerous shit. To be fair, most of my meat I eat raw (a pound of a good tartare for breakfast is for me a staple), I still eat some cooked, but raw meat is the real deal, filling, tasty and still so light on the stomach...
All makes sense to me. Calories in need to be higher than calories out if you want weight go up in any form. Training just helps your body determine how it needs to use those calories and nutrients. A quick overview of what you eat in a day should make any macro deficiencies very obvious
i really want justification for my main "junk" food: peanut butter. i literally eat a 4lb jar every 6 days. i average 20lbs a month. 240 lbs a year of peanut butter. i love it. my bathroom smells like fucking peter pan every morning.
I know alot of fat couch potato's and one came to the gym with me the other day and he's never done anything and is shorter than me and is like 80% as strong as me
I gotta throw in one comment about a calorie is a calorie...no it's not. At least not in my body. Eating calories isn't that cookie cutter simple. Some calories from fat or protein or fiber rich foods take more energy to break down and process than others. If I ate 1000 cals of hamburger or if I ate 1000cals of fish and say, butter...there would be a difference in digestion and nutrient uptake. If I ate 1000cals of rice or a 1000 cals of olive oil or a 1000cals of green beans or broccoli....it's 1000 cals but they're not the same cals and that's the reason I've personally been able to change my body's composition and lean muscle mass. Protein is the building block, yes but u need the others to push the protein and/or spare it. Not a big believer in "you must gain fat to gain muscle or strength". There is a way to gain lean muscle and strength without the surplus of fat, naturally.
Well, that depends. Your right that training natty is hard mode. But more calories just makes me fat, not bigger. But then again im close to my genetic limit and am 34 years old. So if your referring to someone who has a tonne of work to do like a newbie, then maybe so. I think for a lot of people, maintenance + 300 calories is good way to gain in a balanced manner. If i ate JM diet, i would end up fat, with heart disease and wouldn't gain muscle, because something happens to your body when you get too fat, you get anabolic resistance, you end up getting sluggish and less responsive to training.
@@JK-ru3kt Got to understand body has to maintain certain levels of blood glucose. Storing fat is a regulation mechanism, and if vast majority of your food intake breaks down to glucose, then your body has no other choice than to get fat or get killed... Honestly, anyone on JM diet will get fat and in lon term ill. But once you can put together a diet plan that's calorie and nutrient dense while low on carbs, getting fat is way less of an issue. Boils down to chicken breast and rice. Chicken turns to amino acids, which can be burned for energy, used to build and maintain or expelled. Rice turns to glucose, which can be burned or stored as fat. All in all, getting more calories by just eating more of the signature high carb meal is not a brightest idea. That said, JM is on a right way with fat and red meat, but his diet plan is literally junk food.
@@demoncore5342 Fair points, I agree with the main theme about putting together a diet plan that's calories and nutrient dense while on the lower side with carbs. I personally found it easier to gradually make gains with moderate carb intake (150-170) grams while getting the rest of my calories from protein and fats. 80kg bodyweight at 5 foot 8, I can make gains off between 2500 and 2700 a day, using a somewhat abbreviated training splits. I used to eat whatever I wanted, I went up to over 90kgs (and fat), but after dieting, I didn't lose any muscle and got stronger. When I was fatter at 90kg, I believe I experienced anabolic resistance, I got sluggish, less strength and energy overall, aches and pains instead of gains. I read this article on anabolic resistance and it clicked, www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/anabolic-resistance-how-mass-diets-can-hurt-you I realised I didn't need to eat huge, my lean body mass was unaffected, slow and steady is all im getting so it makes sense to just eat at the rate your body wants to gain. Finding this calorie balance is a trial and error process, but for alot of people, bodyweight in pounds multiplied by 15 is a decent place to start for estimating maintenance calories and adjust from there up or down depending on goals Thanks for you're points, makes sense what you are saying and I agree with you
@@JK-ru3kt I'm at a similar weight and age, at just slightly higher intake (2700-800). Using red meat as primary protein source, that takes care of quite a chunk of my calories when hitting the proteins. Steady gains, while staying lean the year long. Just makes me wonder what I could had achieved like that back in 20's...
In the video on john meadows channel he said breakfast he had to put 3 packets of mayo and 1 hashbrown on each sandwich, here it's 2 packets of mayo and 2 hashbrowns on each 🤔
Good podcast and very entertaining but you fellas have got a problem going on with your microphones. The microphones that you are using are large diaphragm condenser microphones which are meant to be addressed from the side not the top. By speaking into them in this fashion you are not speaking into the capsule of the microphone.
1 calorie has sufficient energy to raise 1gram of water through 1 degree Centigrade, at 1 atmosphere pressure. Or it equals approximately 4.2 Joules. Hope this is interesting 😗
While not factually incorrect, I feel like this is terrible advice nonetheless. Almost every “celebrity” bodybuilder, and even many powerlifters and strongmen, who bulked aggressively and put on excessive body fat eventually regretted it. Or at the very least said they felt like utter crap or even saw performance decline. Mark Bell, Bart Kwan, Silent Mike, Eddie Hall, Martin Licis, and John Venus just to name a few
Im at a place now, where I gain weight from just looking at food. Thats when I know I have to dial it down a little. Bc my waist increased 2 inches in 1 week, but man, I was hungry all the time that week.
But do we not also lose muscle while dieting? Unless you are talking steroids I guess. P.S: I have nothing against drugs. They work wonders when used propely.
Depends on how you are dieting. Standard high carb is kinda meh, makes keeping muscle in caloric deficit way harder, while making you fat as a hog in surpluss.
It's gonna look like I'm exaggerating but it's the absolute truth. I can gain weight muck more faster than this. 10 pounds a week when I'm not even trying. I have an obese father and all his siblings are obese. I'm in good shape but as soon as I am not careful for a week I gain ten pounds. Then I struggle for months to lose it by exercicing and eating well. I'm 190 lbs right now but if I'm careless I would weight 250
I wish I saw this video earlier. I spent an entire year avoiding carbs and maxing out on lean protein. I started eating carbs again and not counting my kcals as strictly and my physique is changing and my strength is going up in only 3 months.
But, JM & Dave, if you put on the 30 lbs. of weight and gain the 10 lbs. of muscle, won't you loose muscle in shedding the unwanted 20 lbs. of fat? Thus, not a true 2:2 or 3:1 ratio.
It is a game of how much of that muscle can you keep while losing weight. Highly unlikely you can hold on to all 10 lbs, but maybe 8, or 7 and you surely can lose all the fat. So it is a game, and the better you are the more you win.
In theory you could put on yet more muscle while shedding that blobber, but that's a hard thing to do an sorta defeats the purpose. Getting buff while getting fat is ment to be easy. Same as losing fat while losing some muscle is easy to achieve.
Well, calories are the same, but there are empty calories. Just as the parallel with bricks. You end up building a pile of shit, if you order shit instead of bricks. So how many bricks are in that mixed load you ordered? It's still five tons of stuff, might be 1/4 of it are bricks, but hey, you still have 5 tons...
I just get a little put off for the explanations being so deep for simple things, am mostly talking about when he talked about putting matter in the body and calories what they are yadayada. Might get interesting later :D
