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Bharat Sangeet Utsav 2014 - Carnatic Music Concert by Amritha Murali: • Video
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Indonesian gamelan medley from Java, Sunda and Bali: • Indonesian gamelan med...
Schoenberg - Three Piano Pieces, No. 1 (with sheet music): • Schoenberg - Three Pia...
Black Flag - The Process Of Weeding Out: • 03 - Black Flag - The ...
MonoNeon :: Microtonal Bass :: ("FREEAK HER IN QUARTER TONES"): • MonoNeon :: Microtonal...
My explanation of the H-Pi Instruments Tonal Plexus microtonal keyboard: • My explanation of the ...
World's first performance on the Fluid Piano - Utsav Lal plays Raga Bhairav Alaap-Jod-Jhalla: • Utsav Lal performs Rag...
World's first performance on the Fluid Piano - Pam Chowhan - Infinite Reflections: • World's first performa...
Microtonal Guitar Playthrough (Mathcore/Grind): • Microtonal Guitar Play...
Ron Sword at Berklee, Bohlen-Pierce Symposium 2010: • Ron Sword at Berklee, ...
Last Sacrament - Material Identity: • Video
Microtonal Guitar (Part 1) - Tolgahan Çoğulu - Maqam Music: • Microtonal Guitar (Adj...
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Part 3 of 3 - Harry Partch and his Strange Musical Instruments: • Part 3 of 3 - Harry Pa...
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@cretium805
@cretium805 7 лет назад
The piano industry HATES him! Find out how this man unlocked secret notes they have been hiding from you with a simple trick.
@smokethebear8835
@smokethebear8835 7 лет назад
You will never get the zucc
@joey9811
@joey9811 7 лет назад
Ahahaha lol
@kurudo6432
@kurudo6432 7 лет назад
Increase the size of your scale by 150% in less than a week. Find matures near your city.
@reddaB
@reddaB 7 лет назад
lol
@123blastoffful
@123blastoffful 7 лет назад
number five will shock you
@davidmaiolo
@davidmaiolo 7 лет назад
Sorry to break to you, but my piano is so off key, the only notes its hiding from me are the 88 normal ones
@ihateladymacbeth8170
@ihateladymacbeth8170 7 лет назад
David Maiolo nice
@Cobalt985
@Cobalt985 7 лет назад
lol same
@humanoidbastard673
@humanoidbastard673 6 лет назад
David Maiolo ha!
@mrs.sherrera1084
@mrs.sherrera1084 3 года назад
Bwahahahaha I can’t stop laughing cause I can super relate
@davidmaiolo
@davidmaiolo 3 года назад
@@mrs.sherrera1084 😁😁
@playingmusiconmars
@playingmusiconmars 8 лет назад
The Schönberg pieces you chose to display in the video are not twelve tone but freely atonal. Sorry to be a smartass but there is a signicifant difference.
@liefdeltora3088
@liefdeltora3088 8 лет назад
I gotchu man that bothered me to
@alejandrom.4680
@alejandrom.4680 4 года назад
playingmusiconmars When I saw the pieces, I thought the same. I believe that Pierre Lunaire is a serialist suit of him
@gabisyderas1855
@gabisyderas1855 7 лет назад
the next King gizzard álbum is going to be all about microtonality!!!
@ryangates337
@ryangates337 6 лет назад
ngl 2017 has been incredible for the gizz, polygondwanaland was by far the best
@a_sock_puppet__vods7969
@a_sock_puppet__vods7969 6 лет назад
so glad im not the only person that saw this video thinking of them
@EriAirlangga
@EriAirlangga 6 лет назад
It's called Flying Microtonal Banana
@MarisaFloyd
@MarisaFloyd 6 лет назад
OOOUUTTLAWSSS ON THE RUNNN
@AIXONA
@AIXONA 5 лет назад
Felipe Syderas like to see this being the first comment
@ZedAlfa.
@ZedAlfa. 8 лет назад
If you want to find all the 'secret notes' that are being hidden from you, get a fretless stringed instrument & you'll find them all ;-)
@rakeshbobsson6926
@rakeshbobsson6926 8 лет назад
+Dino Di Lucido Your voice...
@ZedAlfa.
@ZedAlfa. 8 лет назад
Indeed Rakesh Bobsson. And it's funny you should mention that because I am a vocalist.
@rakeshbobsson6926
@rakeshbobsson6926 8 лет назад
***** Hah, gay.
@ZedAlfa.
@ZedAlfa. 8 лет назад
Wow. +Rakesh Bobsson
@WollyhoodStudios
@WollyhoodStudios 8 лет назад
+Rakesh Bobsson Makes two of you then?
@Gigatless
@Gigatless 9 лет назад
I love how people who never really mastered classical composition go for having fifty note scales which sound like a complete mess in their songs.
@zephirol4638
@zephirol4638 9 лет назад
+autarchicflux pretty much everyone in this video? lol the video creator picked some poor choices to show off microtonal playing.
@GustoFormula
@GustoFormula 9 лет назад
+zephiro l What would you recommend?
@zephirol4638
@zephirol4638 9 лет назад
Valyrian Steel It isn't my most liked style of music so I don't know many artists. But google microtonal covers on youtube and you will find much better players than what is being depicted here. obviously not knocking any of the artists in the video. Just if you're going to try to turn someone onto a new genre/style at least give some higher quality examples. These were more like a garage band quality if you will compared to a lot of the good stuff that is out there.
@GustoFormula
@GustoFormula 9 лет назад
What about the Indian music? What about Tolgahan Çoğulu and Dolores Catherino? I'm really struggling to find higher quality examples. The only artist I was missing in this video is Jeroen Paul Thesseling.
@zephirol4638
@zephirol4638 9 лет назад
Valyrian Steel i was just doing some looking and it seems tolgahan was one of the people I was actually referring too, idk if the video of his you picked of his was just an extra abstract part or what but it just didn't seem to the quality of some of his other songs. There is also a little girl probably about 9ish that I seen play amazingly but I could not find the video of her to figure out her name.
@jca111
@jca111 8 лет назад
Or you could slightly bend the strings on a guitar to get them.
@Lowezar
@Lowezar 8 лет назад
Or get a fretless guitar.
@MultiSteini
@MultiSteini 8 лет назад
No, you want to be able to do hammer on's and pull off's.
@MultiSteini
@MultiSteini 8 лет назад
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@MultiSteini
@MultiSteini 8 лет назад
Aιмι Geη I was replying to jca111
@Cr8Tron
@Cr8Tron 8 лет назад
+Aιмι “Le Pαѕтєℓ Prιnceѕѕ” Geη Still doesn't change the fact that someone, who's trying to begin using this unconventional approach to making music, is going to have a difficult time knowing whether they are bending, sliding, or fingering at the right place, if there's nothing to compare with during the early/critical ear-training phase.
@Bigbuddyandblue
@Bigbuddyandblue 8 лет назад
My piano is hiding those notes? Thank you, piano.
@jacksainthill8974
@jacksainthill8974 8 лет назад
Never heard of a violin, then.
@prutsbeer7552
@prutsbeer7552 8 лет назад
+Jack Sainthill Though it would be theoretically possible to play microtonal music (as it is for every fretless instrument) this usually doesn't happen... So yeah pointless argument.
@jacksainthill8974
@jacksainthill8974 8 лет назад
Jan Dries _this usually doesn't happen_ Er - ok, so your kids don't play violin, then. ;) Seriously though, fair point.
@prutsbeer7552
@prutsbeer7552 8 лет назад
Jack Sainthill Hahaha that's a good one :) although it's not really microtonal. It's just really out of tune ;)
@NFStopsnuf
@NFStopsnuf 8 лет назад
+Jan Dries Technically, they are played in some forms of formal music, such as the viola octave slide in Prokofiev's Montagues and Capulets and other slides.
@prutsbeer7552
@prutsbeer7552 8 лет назад
NFS topsnuf But that has nothing to do with microtonality...
@ChristopherShreeve
@ChristopherShreeve 9 лет назад
I thought that micro-tonal shredding sounded pretty badass.
@AshKetchum442
@AshKetchum442 7 лет назад
i got to touch and play on Buckethead's guitar! he held it out to the audience and let people turn the knobs and hit the buttons while he played it
@jamesha175
@jamesha175 7 лет назад
i got to play one of Uli Roth's sky guitars because my friend was repairing it. (please don't tell Uli!)
@SlyHikari03
@SlyHikari03 4 года назад
Lucky guys.
@janAlekantuwa
@janAlekantuwa 7 лет назад
The French horn can actually play micro tonal music by tubing the Bb side of the horn in a special way. Also, if the horn is tuned properly, the notes G# and Ab (which are the same piano key) are played differently, with Ab slightly lower than G#.
@B0b0K1w1
@B0b0K1w1 3 года назад
Did you mean?: microtonal
@geoffstockton
@geoffstockton 9 лет назад
It's important to understand that the pure major scale isn't something that was invented or decided by any individual or group of individuals. It's the most naturally occurring family of 7 tones to exist. Every note has a series overtones which ring above the fundamental pitch. The first overtone is the octave which is of course the same pitch but the next one in line is that of the perfect 5th. This is scientifically and mathematically the closest relative to the fundamental pitch. That's why regardless of what culture you might claim, when you hear a root and perfect 5th sounded together, what you hear is two notes agreeing. You could hammer the flat 6th into peoples skulls for 5 centuries and it will never sound more pleasing to them than the perfect 5th. That would be like trying to condition people to accept the look of imperfect shapes over perfect shapes. Just as it's obvious to the eye when things are balanced, so it is with the ear. The enjoyment of extreme levels of dissonance isn't a matter of the crazy-assed music all of the sudden sounding good to your ears as much as it's a process of learning to love and appreciate what's so damned ugly about it. Oh yeah, and if you string 7 of those perfect 5th relationships together you have a major scale. If you go up in perfect 5ths from F for instance, you'll get F, C, G, D, A, E, B, the seven notes of the C major scale. There's a lot more to it, as in there are other harmonious relationships that exist between the major scale notes or those of any of the major scale's modes. But the string of perfect 5ths equalling the major scale is a big one. I wrote a guitar book with a big section regarding that stuff. Info and links available on my channel. Hope I could shed some light. I love your show. I'm a new fan.
@Alex-mg6vn
@Alex-mg6vn 9 лет назад
I couldn't like this comment enough.
@geoffstockton
@geoffstockton 9 лет назад
Thanks, man!
@ThisNameIsG
@ThisNameIsG 9 лет назад
How come the Indian music sounds.. Enjoyable? As in, even though it uses a different tonal system than ours it still sounds relatively normal?
@geoffstockton
@geoffstockton 9 лет назад
It is based on the same system as ours, just more intricately measured, but Sa Re Ga Pa Ma Ni Si are just the tones of a naturally occurring major scale. Those are their 7 natural notes and all the ragas and melas (basically scales with specific rules) are variations compared directly to those 7 natural tones. The major scale.
@acreil
@acreil 9 лет назад
Geoff Stockton While the major diatonic scale is mathematically simplest, it's not by itself sufficient for a lot of interesting music. Plenty of music makes good use of blues, melodic minor, harmonic major, whole tone, diminished, etc. scales. So there's lots of room for things outside of the major scale, but 12 equal only has a fairly small number of useful scales. Microtonality opens the door to both more consonant renditions of the usual scales, and a much broader spectrum of novel scales. The fact that they're not mathematically simplest doesn't mean they can't still be quite consonant and musical. Also, while it works in 12 equal, using consecutive fifths isn't generally the best way to derive the major scale. It's actually the 5 limit just intonation major scale that's most consonant. Consecutive fifths gives you the Pythagorean major scale, which is significantly more dissonant. They're equivalent in 12 equal because the intervals are close to Pythagorean, but it doesn't generally work in just intonation or other temperaments.
@ACoolStupidDog
@ACoolStupidDog 9 лет назад
You could have touched on fretless basses (or other fretless instruments). As a fretless bass player, I can tell you that it permits you to use a much more "wide" approach to the instrument, although it can also sound terrible and random if played imprecisely. Jeoren Paul Thesseling (ex-Obscura) uses the micro-tonal system a lot in his work, though more subtly than Last Sacrament, and it adds an oriental vibe to his works sometimes, I recommend listening to him.
@Codemarla
@Codemarla 9 лет назад
I came here to say the same thing. Fretless bass players unite :-)
@miss_shinku
@miss_shinku 9 лет назад
I know, I was a bit confused myself. Some well known instruments with no frets are quite obvious... violin, viola, cello, bass. Glissandos preformed on these instruments are just a literal slide, playing every possible tone inbetween. Why wasn't this discussed? It seems way more obvious than talking about guitars with tons of frets. I'm surprised there was even an episode on this, I assumed that this subject wasn't that unknown actually.
@thisexists
@thisexists 9 лет назад
***** ACoolStupidDog Code: Marla There's some great videos of Tolgahan Çoğulu, who's playing acoustic in this video, performing with another guy on fretless guitar. While the slides and bends you get on stringed instruments playing otherwise standard western music technically falls into this category, it's certainly not the same a band like Last Sacrament doing deliberately microtonal music.
@Codemarla
@Codemarla 9 лет назад
This Exists True. Traditionally fretless players are still sticking to the standard 12 notes and only tend to play the "in between" notes when sliding or bending but there is nothing to stop a fretless player playing this type of micro-tonal music without having a specially adapted instrument. One would simply play slightly "off key" instead.
@ACoolStupidDog
@ACoolStupidDog 9 лет назад
***** I can't find Jeroen's solo piece on RU-vid, but I think this is a good example: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE--StE_N8aUCM.html He also goes in depth about microtonality in many interviews, such as this one: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-0x7dm7EujWQ.html Start at around 18 minutes in. By the way, Agalloch is great :)
@rauhamanilainen6271
@rauhamanilainen6271 2 года назад
Looking back 6 or 7 years ago, this video singlehandedly introduced me to the wonderful world of microtonal music. They're not all "dissonant" or "out of tune" as many believe though; lots of them are actually quite pleasant in their own unique way.
@davidzaydullin
@davidzaydullin 5 месяцев назад
and some of them are less dissonant thatn 12EDO
@maurobraunstein9497
@maurobraunstein9497 7 лет назад
Two issues with the video. First, all of the microtonal music shown was really dissonant. It's actually quite possible to have nice-sounding microtonal music -- microtonal music that you can actually sing along to, in fact! Second, you can play microtonal music easily on any fretless string instrument, like a violin or an oud or a trombone or a theremin. You don't have to work very hard to find one of those! You can, of course, *sing* microtonal music without buying anything. And there are software synths that let you play microtonal music on a tablet. You don't actually need to do any modding.
@threenplustwo9105
@threenplustwo9105 6 лет назад
Well you do if you want a MT _acoustic_ instrument.
@R0vingTarantul4
@R0vingTarantul4 6 лет назад
Yours is the best comment offered here, aside from slamming the host for comparing fred durst and the Baja men to earth's best music.
@ekkeviira2381
@ekkeviira2381 5 лет назад
In fact choirs and fretless instrument players will adjust themselves to purer intervals purely on intuition when they are not being accompanied by an instrument with fixed tuning.
@madiserket2
@madiserket2 4 года назад
you could just set the frequency 50 cents above or below on your instrument tuner.
@klikitzsmith8416
@klikitzsmith8416 4 года назад
@@madiserket2 then youre stuck with 12 notes again, 12 different notes but 12 only
@Dennisjay9
@Dennisjay9 9 лет назад
Im I just an uncultured idiot or do these actually just sound really really bad?
@jp5394
@jp5394 9 лет назад
It sounds bad for my ears too, maybe it´s because we are not used to listening to them
@BRBhorror
@BRBhorror 9 лет назад
No. It sounds shitty. Sometimes somethings aren't meant to be brought into the foreground of music.
@BlueBeefalo
@BlueBeefalo 9 лет назад
Ike
@nutnfan1
@nutnfan1 9 лет назад
I liked the Indian music, the guitars sounded like shit.
@hjmnkjmfyrn
@hjmnkjmfyrn 9 лет назад
I think they all sounded pretty good. I like the dissonance, it adds a realism to it all
@JoshLathamTutorials
@JoshLathamTutorials 8 лет назад
"You're used to the western scale"...**Shows eastern woman playing paino**
@jordyypink
@jordyypink 8 лет назад
Western in this context is Europe
@carolel2459
@carolel2459 8 лет назад
+Jordan Pink what are you trying to prove?
@nimrodery
@nimrodery 8 лет назад
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scale_(music)#Western_music The section you want to read is entitled "Western Music."
@willparry
@willparry 7 лет назад
don't add frets, go fretless.
@prnsxsa
@prnsxsa 5 лет назад
QQ QQ violin?
@VeltynTV
@VeltynTV 5 лет назад
You can add frets & achieve the same effect.
@alejandrom.4680
@alejandrom.4680 4 года назад
Veltyn Well, yes, but actually no. With frets you can’t achieve, for example, 96ET
@ThunderBassistJay
@ThunderBassistJay 7 лет назад
Fretless stringed instruments are the answer to all possible scales. ;-)
@FatSynthDude
@FatSynthDude 7 лет назад
I'm amazed no one else has thought of this. We're smart! XD
@10spen11
@10spen11 7 лет назад
How about the trombone?
@FatSynthDude
@FatSynthDude 7 лет назад
Good idea!
@ThunderBassistJay
@ThunderBassistJay 7 лет назад
Nice one!
@dhitikabarua1779
@dhitikabarua1779 7 лет назад
Yup. Middle eastern and indian sub instruments are fretless. Kanun and sarod for eg
@dojix96
@dojix96 9 лет назад
Okay, cool, but is there any example of microtonal music that doesn't sound random or awful?
@dojix96
@dojix96 9 лет назад
***** Good point!
@DanusOpium
@DanusOpium 9 лет назад
+Dojix If you like metal, then you should check out a band called Ulcerate. It is less random than Last Sacrament, but still quite complicated in terms of composition.. The cool thing about them is that they use normal instruments instead of modified ones.
@boptillyouflop
@boptillyouflop 9 лет назад
+Dojix Arabic music has scales that have neutral 2nds, 3rds, 6ths and 7ths that are halfway between minor intervals and major intervals: Rast is basically major with lowered 3rds and 7ths, Bayati is minor with lowered 2nds and 6ths, and Sikah is very strange - it's kindof like Rast except that it starts on the lowered 3rd.
@nuberiffic
@nuberiffic 9 лет назад
+Alter Kater With the violin, that's not actually microtonal. Playing the scale differently ascending versus descending is how the melodic minor scale is played. It's the same on all instruments. What violins do do though is just intonation. Unlike a piano or guitar, you can finely adjust the pitch of the note you are playing to bring it into perfect harmony, something a guitar can't always do due to the frets (all guitars are slightly out of tune on the majority of notes). You could play microtonal music on a violin, but traditionally it is used for 12 TET / 12 just tunings.
@nuberiffic
@nuberiffic 9 лет назад
+Alter Kater I can't take that comment seriously if you don't even know how basic scales work.
@olgil
@olgil 8 лет назад
It's like this guy has never heard of bending a string or whammy bars on a guitar.
@davidshan1231
@davidshan1231 8 лет назад
+olgil Or violins/cellos/2xbasses etc.
@calfischer1149
@calfischer1149 8 лет назад
EXACTLY, blues is full of "microtones", this is nothing new
@thesaucypickle9866
@thesaucypickle9866 8 лет назад
+olgil but even those dont allow you to get consistent pitches that fall outside of the western twelve note scale
@SFtheGreat
@SFtheGreat 7 лет назад
Or simply use a fretless string instrument.
@ValexNihilist
@ValexNihilist 7 лет назад
lol my thoughts exactly
@dhitikabarua1779
@dhitikabarua1779 7 лет назад
Valex Nihilist Yup. Oud,sitar,kanun,sarod are fretless. Middle east and south asian regions' music is full of microtones.
@nikmlz9347
@nikmlz9347 7 лет назад
rigth
@AryzenI
@AryzenI 7 лет назад
A pressure sensitive wind instrument can microtone very VERY easily. A single chamber ocarina can play its entire range in a glissando fashion. It's difficult to hit a specific notes without practice, though...
@stephencrompton4352
@stephencrompton4352 7 лет назад
like a piano?
@JoseAngelMorente
@JoseAngelMorente 7 лет назад
This guy is confused about NOTES and note NAMES. We don't have 7 notes in western music, but seven *names* (CDEFAB) that we use in combination with # and b symbols to get the 12 actual notes per octave. About the microtonal system... definitely they aren't "hidden" notes, but *unused* notes in our usual tuning system.
@glinklypoogler6534
@glinklypoogler6534 7 лет назад
José Ángel Morente you missed out g.
@JingleMallet
@JingleMallet 8 лет назад
I watched it RU-vid, you happy now?
@echocereal6255
@echocereal6255 8 лет назад
I feel you man, I feel you...
@KENNETHUDUT
@KENNETHUDUT 8 лет назад
same. i like music and microtonal at times but really i watched for youtube's sake. they kept beggging me to wTaHtIcSh
@CGoody564
@CGoody564 8 лет назад
I mean, it really is a great channel...
@avatar7096
@avatar7096 7 лет назад
I'm still trying to get RU-vid to stop recommending Flat Earth vids. =/
@raydelrativo1409
@raydelrativo1409 7 лет назад
Ava Tar same :'(
@FlorianFahrenberger
@FlorianFahrenberger 9 лет назад
While experimenting with microtonal scales is fun and I certainly don't want to discourage it, there absolutely is a reason why most peoples' (and not just western) music ends up with the same or very similar scales. It's just the natural physics of the acoustic waves. Each note played on an instruments consists of the base frequency and many overtones (or harmonics) that are just multiples of the base frequency (e.g. 440 Hz for A and then 880, 1320, 1760 Hertz, ...). And if you look at these overtones, the first twelve of them (except for the weird seventh) will make up the normal 12-tone-scale we are used to hearing. Any harmonics above these 12 are usually very high pitched and so quiet that humans can't detect them anymore. So, what I'm saying is: If you for example pick a string, you are really not hearing one single note, but many. And the spectrum you hear does already make up the so-called "western scale" that we are used to and that many disconnected tribes all over the world figured out. Going away from this scale can be considered (to put it carefully) experimental or (to put more harshly) breaking through the boundaries we are suggested by acoustical physics. All this being said, I still wonder even today whether microtonal music sounds so weird and off-tune because it breaks the natural scale suggested by harmonics or because we are just so very used to the sound of the western scale from even before birth... and honestly, I don't know the answer.
@FlorianFahrenberger
@FlorianFahrenberger 9 лет назад
***** Well, yes, but being slightly off perfect pitch and within a alternate scale are two very different things. I know very few people (some musicians included) who can tell the difference between well-tempered and perfect intervals. Whereas most people I know will notice if there is a quarter tone step somewhere in a scale. ;) Additionally, most western instruments (pianos being one of the few exceptions) do not have a well-tempered pitch and it's really just about the scale they play.
@acreil
@acreil 9 лет назад
Florian Fahrenberger You're wrong (or at least unclear) about this in a number of ways. First, 12 equal does not represent the first 12 harmonics; I think the simplest temperament that does that with any accuracy is 72 equal. Regarding the harmonic series, the odd prime numbered harmonics (3, 5, 7, 11, 13...) are the only ones that count (prime limits). The second harmonic (octave) is present in any temperament that assumes octave equivalence (i.e. almost all of them), and the others (4, 6, 8, 10, 12...) are redundant. In 12 equal, the third harmonic is well represented, as the fourths and fifths are in tune within about 2 cents. The fifth harmonic is also present, but it's not very accurate, as the major third is significantly out of tune (14 cents sharp). The seventh and eleventh harmonics aren't represented at all. And there are certainly still musically useful intervals to be found beyond that. 12 equal is merely the simplest equal temperament that does a good job at 3 limit harmony and a mediocre job at 5 limit. This is by no means optimal, as there are plenty of other temperaments (19, 31, 53, and 72 equal are particularly good) that are better for 5 limit harmony and add other useful intervals that aren't present at all in 12 equal. Microtonality does not mean abandoning consonance; in many cases the goal is to enhance and extend it. The examples at 0:15 and 4:51 are undeniably highly consonant, even though they contain some exotic intervals and sound very different from 12 equal. The fact that some of the other material shown is either unfamiliar or intentionally dissonant doesn't mean that it's bad or not worth exploring, or that 12 equal is the best overall choice. I think the video does a poor job at providing context and explaining theory, so it's easy for the uninitiated listener to assume that all microtonal music is senselessly dissonant, but that's not at all the case.
@acreil
@acreil 9 лет назад
***** It's true that much of preference is a matter of conditioning, and there's certainly plenty of room for pitch deviations and dissonance for expressive purposes. But it's not at all correct to assume that 12 equal has a uniquely solid mathematical basis that isn't present in microtonal music. Many people interested in microtonality are seeking purer consonances and a broader range of intervals than what's normally available. Much of the theory behind it is intensely mathematical, whether the music sounds consonant and familiar or not. Deviation from the standard system doesn't mean arbitrary disorder.
@acreil
@acreil 9 лет назад
***** The problem is that 12 equal isn't generally "more mathematically consonant". It was only ever a mediocre compromise. And I'd argue even that becoming acclimated to dissonant intervals and chords in 12 equal was a necessity because of its relative lack of tonal resources; at some point there's nowhere else to go. In various other temperaments you can play really wild and exotic 6 note chords that sound highly consonant. Dissonance is of course still available if needed, but the real advantage is that you can have both harmonic complexity and consonance at the same time. This isn't possible in 12 equal.
@Unstopapple
@Unstopapple 8 лет назад
"All the greatest songs ever written" *Only shows failed bands and Fred durst*
@NintendoSunnyDee
@NintendoSunnyDee 8 лет назад
Staind isn't a failedband o.o
@Unstopapple
@Unstopapple 8 лет назад
Whats that about cultural obscurity in a pop rock band?
@moltenrock22
@moltenrock22 8 лет назад
Dude he was being sarcastic
@notafunnyuser
@notafunnyuser 8 лет назад
maybe he did it on purpose?
@Schwallex
@Schwallex 8 лет назад
Worse still, neither example actually uses just the seven notes he claims they use. No need to be a trained musician to notice. He could fucking hear it by listening. With his ears.
@anaphylastiks
@anaphylastiks 8 лет назад
But , you never mentioned Trukish classical music or Persian. WHY? Turks have 53 notes per octave.
@utsavlimbad7330
@utsavlimbad7330 6 лет назад
Also partch henry's 43 tone scale
@ThePaintballgun
@ThePaintballgun 8 лет назад
The fluid piano sounded cool, but the live clips of people playing the guitars live sounded awful haha.
@damasterofskitsees
@damasterofskitsees 8 лет назад
The metal one sounded eh.
@oscargordon
@oscargordon 9 лет назад
I saw Harry Partch and his Ensemble many more years back than I can remember. It was one of, if not the most awesome concert I have been to. Not only are all of his instruments works of art, the music was "trippy" and "out-of-this-world" as we use to say.
@thisexists
@thisexists 9 лет назад
That must have been amazing. All the docs I've seen on him make him seem like quite the trippy fellow.
@oscargordon
@oscargordon 9 лет назад
This Exists A few of his recordings still seem to be available. I'm surprised that there are only a couple of videos available, that I will have to check out. Considering how visual his music was, I am surprised that there isn't more available. All the young 'uns out there that are interested in avant-garde and experimental music should definitely check him out. Oh, and thanks for having a great channel with well researched material!
@FatSynthDude
@FatSynthDude 7 лет назад
Just had a 'duh' thought: Modular synths. Without a keyboard or quantizer, a CV source can generate any note you can imagine with the right VCO.
@ConvincingPeople
@ConvincingPeople 7 лет назад
Pretty sure that's how a lot of composers working with electronics and microtones did it early on-Stockhausen, Krenek, Oliveros, Oram, the list goes on. Also, I'm pretty sure the base tuning of the infamous ANS wavetable synth is 72-EDO.
@eliottthewhat9172
@eliottthewhat9172 7 лет назад
Sam: Unless you spent a lot of time playing the clarinet in high school- Me: How'd you know?
@TheBfutgreg
@TheBfutgreg 9 лет назад
Microtonal + distortion = Headache
@prutsbeer7552
@prutsbeer7552 8 лет назад
+TheBfutgreg Just because you're not used to it... Have been listening to microtonal metal for over a year and I love it
@thedescent666
@thedescent666 8 лет назад
+Jan Dries Sick burn bro
@craigroaring
@craigroaring 8 лет назад
+TheBfutgreg Microtonal + distortion + simple mind = headache
@sonofsam22
@sonofsam22 8 лет назад
+Daedelus Bout time someone makes some damnable truths.
@craigroaring
@craigroaring 8 лет назад
+Daedelus btw, we've had quarter/three-quarter sharps and flats since the days of Schoenberg so you actually can compose anything you would in "microtonal" music, using expressionist theory (or serialism as this dude calls it, but we're not in the 50s anymore, everyone says expressionism or 12 TET) further subdividing the scales doesn't make you any better of a composer, it just gives you a bigger ego. unlike this microtonal nonsense, expressionism doesn't just throw out the rules for the sake of looking cool, expressionism leaves behinds the rules of conventional western theory, to demonstrated that melody is relative, by doing things like taking a discordant phrase or chord progression (A), following it up with an even more discordant piece (B), and by doing that, when you return to (A), (A) suddenly seems melody in relation to (B). microtonal music has no such point or goal to it, because its music for easily impressed simpletons, by easily impressed simpletons. don't let these 12 year old headbangers bother you. we were all 12 once, and we all masturbated furiously to anything that shredded, but they'll grow out of it, or so long as they keep playing and learning. = poo Read more Show less
@ScottThunesOfficial
@ScottThunesOfficial 9 лет назад
Great video! One small criticism: the Schoenberg Piano piece you used as an example - the first movement of Op. 11 - is technically pre-12-tone. The set was composed before the 12-tone technique was developed by Schoenberg in the 20s and come under the heading of 'free atonality'. Otherwise, lovely work and great introduction to these musics. Long Live Rowdy Roddy Piper!
@OfficialREVENGEMusic
@OfficialREVENGEMusic 7 лет назад
what you can do if you produce music via midi in a daw is you can shift certain vst's down 50 centitones which is 1/2 of 1 semitone and thus you can easily have microtonal music if you're an electronic producer.
@pendularnuncius2618
@pendularnuncius2618 7 лет назад
"Impossible Colors" If H.P. Lovecraft has taught me anything, it's that colors like that are bad especially if they came from a meteor in space.
@clarkfeeley1959
@clarkfeeley1959 9 лет назад
Very informative video but... I would argue that any fretted instrument has a near infinite micro tonal capability through string bending. Vibrato I would also suggest in theory is kinda of a micro tonal technique as well. Throw in a tremolo arm combined with a floating bridge setup, I believe you hear a lot more non western scales in current music than you might think.
@B3Band
@B3Band 9 лет назад
***** How often do those tones appear without first reaching them from a "standard" tone, though?
@powck
@powck 9 лет назад
+Bloodbath and Beyond how you take these notes is irrelevant, they are frequent in a lot of music. In blues or jazz, a note not part of the scale is called a blue note, and is a note played slightly lower (or sometimes higher) than the original note. They are common as fuck, especially the slightly lowered third.
@nuberiffic
@nuberiffic 9 лет назад
+powck These modified notes are common in a lot of music, eg the blues. But that does not make them microtonal. The player is replacing a note with a modified one, not using both of them to create a melody.
@clarkfeeley1959
@clarkfeeley1959 9 лет назад
I'd rather use them as flavor. A micro tone melody comes across like an ameture who can't even tune their instrument.
@B3Band
@B3Band 9 лет назад
Your argument has devolved from "there is infinite micro tonal capability" to "there are blue notes in jazz" LMAO
@adamstevensbass
@adamstevensbass 9 лет назад
Awesome, Mononeon is the man! Great to see him featured in this video :)
@thisexists
@thisexists 9 лет назад
AdamStevensBass His stuff is amazing. Also A+ vibe.
@DrTacoPHD665
@DrTacoPHD665 3 месяца назад
When this video was released I actually was playing clarinet in high school. But just today I finished building a microtonal guitar by myself. I can't believe I'm back 9 YEARS later because I suddenly remembered this video existed, and it probably introduced me to microtonality then. I am incredibly grateful for your videos.
@d0u6la5m
@d0u6la5m 8 лет назад
we will need a longer version of Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti Do.......
@shiningarmor2838
@shiningarmor2838 7 лет назад
Yehudi Menuhin there's already an H note, we Americans call it B-natural
@d0u6la5m
@d0u6la5m 7 лет назад
Really? I'm gonna have to look that up
@emaouardi7988
@emaouardi7988 7 лет назад
Yehudi Menuhin In France we say Do re mi fa sol la SI do
@Xnoob545
@Xnoob545 4 года назад
In lithuania we use Do Re Mi Fa *Sol* La *Si* Do
@TheFunkyCriminal
@TheFunkyCriminal 9 лет назад
'you kind of have to be super serious about modding all your shit' hahahaha this is a great episode. really clear and concise explanation of what microtonal music is without all the bs mysticism you find on a lot of videos
@emperorpalpatine9841
@emperorpalpatine9841 9 лет назад
Lol, mysticism in music? Now I heard everything.
@thisexists
@thisexists 9 лет назад
Nick Merrick I'm not a very mystic dude. Thanks!
@TheFunkyCriminal
@TheFunkyCriminal 9 лет назад
Emperor Palpatine look up surfingthesonicsky its ridiculous im over here like bro i just want to learn about some microtonal
@TheFunkyCriminal
@TheFunkyCriminal 9 лет назад
***** i feel you man, i think its pretty difficult to get into it tho.
@liamm32
@liamm32 8 лет назад
Not really. He missed some important points. He ignored that you can already do microtonal on fretless instruments. He also didn't talk about Just Intonation.
@Xzendren
@Xzendren 8 лет назад
"All the greatest songs ever written" *shows Fred Durst* what.
@numbers9to0
@numbers9to0 7 лет назад
Bass guitar socks are the next big thing.
@zacharymorin5696
@zacharymorin5696 5 лет назад
ö. . , Gotta get one for mine soon
@guitargodthor2
@guitargodthor2 5 лет назад
You can play microtones on a fretless guitar. I want one.
@johnnulf1175
@johnnulf1175 9 лет назад
So all this time I thought I was a crappy singer, I was really just singing fluently on the semi-tonal scale! It all makes sense now!!!
@johnnulf1175
@johnnulf1175 9 лет назад
*micro-tonal
@GraveMistake1
@GraveMistake1 8 лет назад
Like that guy said in the movie "Amadeus". "Too many notes."
@ShiriaruKitaOld
@ShiriaruKitaOld 7 лет назад
4:36 this is what happens when I open Fl Studio and randomly click everywhere.
@hotdogskid
@hotdogskid 8 лет назад
you forgot an intrument that can play quarter tones and stuff: trombone
@KiLLclangames
@KiLLclangames 9 лет назад
Let's break this down scientifically a tone is a set sound in which the ear hears so then we have to break down the word sound a sound is vibration moving at a certain frequency so now in a waveform they your ear then receives and changes into sound. So if you take frequency ranging from 1 Micro Hertz to 60 megahertz which sounds will you hear. Wonder if the decibles are sub decibels and what if they are over 60 decibels. For example take your hand and play a beat on your counter you'll notice each hit sounds slightly different listen very closely and you'll hear that each hit has its own unique pitch so. After reading what I have just wrote do you understand that a true scale of each individual frequency would be massive so using the eastern scale just simplifies things for people who need them simplified
@TheMullerClan
@TheMullerClan 9 лет назад
If you look at a proper sweep sound from eg 20Hz to 20kHz and imagine it as a graph, the frequency constantly changes at any point of the curve you look at. Western notes (measured by their frequencies) are just some few points on that graph. The scales sort out the pitches that match for a specific musical system, eg western music. That's what you meant, right? :)
@gioracarmi
@gioracarmi 9 лет назад
I think that microtonal music brings about a more subtle perception of sound, music, composition, art, and life. and this is a step towards perceiving energy and the vibrations of things. It is wonderful, because communication becomes much richer and open when you perceive energy. You don't have to talk in order to know. I like this series very much. Thank you.
@StanEclipse
@StanEclipse 8 лет назад
I discovered Last Sacrament here, now they are one of my favorite metal bands!
@TheSentientCloud
@TheSentientCloud 8 лет назад
Oh god that one Indian song you played. I'm a South Indian (live in America). My grandmother used to sing it to me all the time. Now I understand what she was saying about its complexity. And now I know why I could never transpose that key to the piano (as much as I hated the song itself). But thanks to the power of FL studios...
@JakeFace0
@JakeFace0 8 лет назад
Muse's "Psycho" uses microtones. In the intro riff, the guitarist bends the last two notes up for something which, on paper, should sound like bending from a G to a G#. However he actually doesn't bend the note that far, resting somewhere between G and G#. It's a bit closer to G I think and bending it the whole way sounds wrong or off.
@genesismayer3865
@genesismayer3865 8 лет назад
AHHHH THANK YOU FOR THIS I FEEL AS IF THE WORLD IS RIGHTED AGAIN THANK YOU SO MUCH
@thebigboi5357
@thebigboi5357 8 лет назад
Yesssssssss!
@rocknroll81
@rocknroll81 8 лет назад
everybody uses "microtones". this guy in the video has it wrong. everybody bends notes. you can even just play a not that's bent to begin with. ever heard of a whammy bar? or a fretless instrument? same thing.
@JakeFace0
@JakeFace0 8 лет назад
Pat B Yes but the question is are you using the music for the notes themselves? A whammy bar isn't about widening your tonal range, it about making your music go wahwahwahwahwah. There's an obvious difference between microtonal music and just plain trills.
@rocknroll81
@rocknroll81 8 лет назад
no... you can move between notes with a trem bar. .another obvious thing I didn't mention is just human vocal chords. in western music, vocals always go "microtonal". and you can write it all out.
@_Piers_
@_Piers_ 8 лет назад
Before the accordion spread across Europe, there were many different tuning systems. Particular groups would have there own or a town might have a system no one else used. Then they got an accordion. It couldn't be retuned, so they retuned everything else to match it. Which would be less annoying if accordions weren't awful.
@coupledyetivonvanderburg5385
@coupledyetivonvanderburg5385 8 лет назад
Accordions are great, fuck you!
@_Piers_
@_Piers_ 8 лет назад
Well that's not an over reaction at all...no no no no.
@coupledyetivonvanderburg5385
@coupledyetivonvanderburg5385 8 лет назад
Pook365 I was jesting; although, I do really like accordions when played correctly.
@acousticbutler
@acousticbutler 7 лет назад
Although the accordion may have done this for the common parlor instruments, the well tempered scale we use today dates back to the 1600s.
@ciaravalentine9619
@ciaravalentine9619 8 лет назад
How can I describe microtonal music? All I know is that when I first heard that microtonal shredding, I could of sworn that I had just gained the power to move planets, stars, and black holes with my mind alone.
@verylostdoommarauder
@verylostdoommarauder 2 года назад
The major hole is that technically microtonal notes are achievable by tuning (And using a microphone-tuner for best accuracy). But with instruments like woodwinds, which requires both hands and the mouthpiece out to tune, you can't exactly switch on the fly like the special instruments shown in this video. Oh, and "Impossible Colors" are colors that you CAN'T see.
@pestilentdecaymetal
@pestilentdecaymetal 9 лет назад
Hey thanks for putting my microtonal guitar playthrough in your video (the one around 3:49), cheers!
@deusexmaximum8930
@deusexmaximum8930 8 лет назад
4:52 Is that where Vsauce gets their music?
@Hecatonicosachoron54
@Hecatonicosachoron54 4 года назад
I wish!
@patrickclark3337
@patrickclark3337 8 лет назад
How dare you slight the Process of weeding out by Black Flag as not very good, when you have that backdrop of iconic punk flyers. That album has some great songs on it.
@coffeeisgood102
@coffeeisgood102 8 лет назад
It is strange that I should have stumbled upon this video this morning. Just the other day I was explaining to a musician friend of mine that I preferred playing the violin to the guitar because I felt "imprisoned" by the frets on the guitar, whereas the violin has no frets and I can play the note the way it sounds best with the piece that I am playing. Thanks for sharing.
@TheNdoki
@TheNdoki 8 лет назад
I'm pretty sure when my dad said my music was just "noise" this is what he was hearing. Also, what about violins? They are fretless so shouldn't those have an infinite number of notes?
@YMSHE
@YMSHE 8 лет назад
Yes, and you can never play perfect on a violin, which kinda gives character from other instruments.
@SlowMenThinking
@SlowMenThinking 8 лет назад
also slide guitar, string bending on traditional guitars and the good old whammy bar on some electrics, Oh any sort of synthesizer that has continuously variable pitch section. Ive seen some guitarist tune on the fly with the machine heads
@coupledyetivonvanderburg5385
@coupledyetivonvanderburg5385 8 лет назад
My bass guitar is fretless, but it hits notes more accurately than my fretted one.
@AiMaTay
@AiMaTay 8 лет назад
Guess your frets are off then.
@coupledyetivonvanderburg5385
@coupledyetivonvanderburg5385 8 лет назад
Mohow Maybe, but I hate frets anyways; they are so limiting.
@NachtCaraticus
@NachtCaraticus 9 лет назад
thiS VIDEO WAS SO AWESOME I WISH I COULD MAKE A MORE INTELLIGENT COMMENT BUT I'M STILL REELING FROM HOW COOL THE VIDEO WAS
@thisexists
@thisexists 9 лет назад
JUST LET IS WASH OVER YOU.
@aktivitat6397
@aktivitat6397 8 лет назад
There's a modal system called Maqamat which is generally used in Arab and Turkish musical traditions that uses microtonal intervals which I wished you would have covered. Shruti in Indian music is not exclusive in Carnatic music but also North Indian music. Generally many vocalists use it more as ornamentation.
@5urg3x
@5urg3x 8 лет назад
That guy with the microtonal acoustic -- I've seen him play before, he is fucking awesome -- he plays a lot of mid eastern / indian traditional music.
@guidemeChrist
@guidemeChrist 9 лет назад
It's not really that there are "more notes". Pretty much any interval that sounds consonant and is musically useful is represented by one of the notes in the 12-tone equal temperament, it's just that on a microtonal instrument you can approximate some of the intervals a lot more precisely. The overly sharp dominant 7th you hear on your piano can be played almost exactly in harmony on the Tonal Plexus.
@RMarsupial
@RMarsupial 9 лет назад
No. Define "musically useful". Just because twelve-tone ET is what you're used to in no way means it's "the best".
@guidemeChrist
@guidemeChrist 9 лет назад
R. Ringshifter By "musically useful" in this case I mean notes that are mathematically consonant. This is not a question of cultural preference, it's maths. Of course, you can use dissonance for a musical effect; we do that all the time, so maybe that wasn't the best wording on my part.
@tommytalks77
@tommytalks77 9 лет назад
The guy says "it covers from this (who let the dogs out) to this (some limp biscuit crap)"and follows saying "all the great songs ever written..." Really? Oh, really?
@ILikeWafflz
@ILikeWafflz 8 лет назад
+tommytalks77 It was Staind, but not to detract from your point, which I agree with.
@FernieCanto
@FernieCanto 8 лет назад
+tommytalks77 That's the joke.
@thesaucypickle9866
@thesaucypickle9866 8 лет назад
+tommytalks77 he was showing examples of western music to show that it's what is in almost all popular music
@smorcsavage9234
@smorcsavage9234 8 лет назад
+tommytalks77 well fred durst from limp bizkit is a piece of shit, aaron lewish, the person singing/playing guitar is from staind and he is an incredible musician with a great voice and should never be thrown down to such lowely garbage like fred durst.
@VireshRajivUmbre
@VireshRajivUmbre 8 лет назад
+tommytalks77 Sarcasm, do you understand it? I swear some people in this comments section are complete morons.
@haleyminkus5435
@haleyminkus5435 2 года назад
Dolores Catherino is one of the best current examples of coherent microtonal music. It isn’t all just noise by far. She utilizes them to make you feel things that aren’t well expressed in the normal scale.
@rexterrocks
@rexterrocks 8 лет назад
I first learnt to play the violin and then went onto guitar and bass but I have been learning to play the Indian Sitar for over 10 years. It was a whole new ball game. You have movable frets(bunds) and the amount of pitch variation around any single one is very wide. You don't need a special bass or guitar with micro tonal frets to play the inbetween notes. Just use a fretless. You don't see many fretless guitars but I was amazed how good they sounded when I first tried one.
@Shortninja66
@Shortninja66 9 лет назад
Wouldn't a fret less bass have infinite note possibilities?
@TheProCactus
@TheProCactus 9 лет назад
No, There will always be a lower limit and an upper limit.
@highac3s
@highac3s 9 лет назад
TheProCactus How exactly would that make it not infinite?
@TheProCactus
@TheProCactus 9 лет назад
highac3s Simple physics! The strings are a fixed length. You can only make them go as low as the string is long. As for the higher notes, You can only go as high as you can play a short string. I'm not a guitarologist. You're usage of the word infinite is misused too often by people that don't really understand what infinite stands for.
@smileyball
@smileyball 9 лет назад
TheProCactus There is an infinite number of real numbers in any non-zero interval, even if the interval itself is finite in magnitude. Similarly, a fretless string may have a finite pitch interval (aka a max/min playable frequency), but the number of distinct notes is theoretically infinite. In practice, there are physical limitations. Nevertheless, the word "infinite" has not been misused.
@TheProCactus
@TheProCactus 9 лет назад
00Void Yes I agree. But I still think it was used wrong.
@bromixsr
@bromixsr 9 лет назад
Microtonal notes are nothing new to anyone who's been in a garage band. There is always one guitarist who can't tune their instrument.
@prutsbeer7552
@prutsbeer7552 8 лет назад
+bromixsr A few weeks ago our bass player sent me this song: "listen to this cool song I recorded" guitars and bass... I said: "Cool that microtonal part was very nice, how did you do that?" He didn't even notice his guitar was tuned like shit. That was the moment I kicked him out of the band.
@nimrodery
@nimrodery 8 лет назад
+Jan Dries Who hired him?
@Netbug009
@Netbug009 7 лет назад
I was tempted to get all "everyone knows there's more than that" snarky amongst myself, then I remembered my mother was a music major so my knowledge pool is probably odd. This is an interesting explanation of this!
@RibasNath
@RibasNath 7 лет назад
"Toward the Continuum" sounds like a deteriorated 80s commercial's background music (but that's what I liked about it. yea, sometimes my taste on music is weird). I like the channel's content and subscribed to it, btw. :)
@MsGwyndolin
@MsGwyndolin 7 лет назад
*about to watch a video about piano* *piano praticing app ad plays*
@shbblav6919
@shbblav6919 7 лет назад
I know right!
@ndrew_B
@ndrew_B 8 лет назад
0:00 I actually HAVE played clarinet in high school.
@cvmii
@cvmii 8 лет назад
I played clarinet in middle school
@SamChaneyProductions
@SamChaneyProductions 8 лет назад
The clip shown of the gamelan concert after he says "some instruments in an ensemble can only play a 5 note scale" is in pelog, which is a 7 note scale, not slendro, which is a 5 note scale.
@groszak1
@groszak1 8 лет назад
Is 19 tones to octave piano enough to enter microtonal world? It has 32 keys, starting at Cb (one step below C, equivalent of B below C in some songs) and ending at G after one octave (11 steps above C)
@jimevans1809
@jimevans1809 9 лет назад
Impossible colours? I think not! I made a paint once that could only be described as "fluorescent brown". It was hideous! About microtonal instruments: Couldn't we say that a fretless bass, a Theremin, or a drum were microtonal and only the manner of operating them was conventional? I used to retune one or two of my drums for a specific song in order to create a dissonance that I suppose could be described as microtonal. Otherwise, I had them form a "proper" chord. I've always liked that Black Flag song, btw. Never knew what it was called before.
@RMarsupial
@RMarsupial 9 лет назад
I wouldn't count the drum... sure, you can retune it, but if you retune a piano (or any instrument you can retune) you can hit the "hidden" notes.
@jimevans1809
@jimevans1809 9 лет назад
R. Ringshifter I think the difference is that a piano is intended to be tuned to specific pitches, where a drum is not. Interesting thing about pianos I heard once, was that they're very slightly out of "true" tune naturally and intentionally. Not sure why, though.
@akm5176
@akm5176 9 лет назад
Yoshio Tamiya Pianos are indeed not tuned 100% correctly- if you look at each note individually. In part, this is because it just wouldnt sound good, there is also a concern that the strings would resonate off of one another causing poor harmony. Additionally, pitches have under and over tones which rresonateabove and below the true pitch naturally. So, an entirely unique method of tuning is in place for pianos and like instruments. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piano_tuning In a nutshell though, there are lots of ways to tune different instruments. For example, I play violin and tune 440A, other countries tune to a different pitch.
@araeshkigal
@araeshkigal 7 лет назад
Proving conclusively that sound =/= music *shudder*
@fenix9885
@fenix9885 8 лет назад
Great video! I've never heard the term "Micro Tonal" until now, but that 12 note "Schonenberg" scale is something I've always looked at curiously. It doesn't sound quite right to the ear, but does push the boundaries of imagination. I like your approach to what would normally be looked at as a boring idea to being really fascinating. Asking people about micro-tonal music won't elicit a lot of responses, but a short video explaining it gets people's attention
@AJtheGuitarist38
@AJtheGuitarist38 7 лет назад
Arnold Schoenberg is the name of the composer, not the scale. The entire 12 note entity is called a tone row, and the full 12x12 grid is called a tone matrix. If you want more serialists like Schoenberg, I would recommend Anton Webern's works and Alban Berg's works. Granted, the Schoenberg example in the video isn't dodecaphonic. However, all of his works past 1921 were dodecaphonic.
@tonyrandall3146
@tonyrandall3146 7 лет назад
Love ya shirt bros.. 2 years it took for me to find it, oh and the vid is great!
@Bass108
@Bass108 8 лет назад
This video fails to discuss the complexity of why people of so many different cultures disagree on what tuning should be as equal temperament is inherently out of tune. Why do orchestras play a sharper major third or sound out of tune with an equal temperament organ? There is disagreement on this going back to Greece with Pythagorus' divine ratios. If you get technical, the adjustments have to be made for each key change and there are keyboards that exist from that went beyond the 12 notes in equal temperament before it became the agreed upon standard as a compromise.
@jeeyo2396
@jeeyo2396 8 лет назад
0:01 I'm in sophomore highschool playing the clarinet, what are the odds
@xldkxnewyorker8914
@xldkxnewyorker8914 8 лет назад
Pretty high
@jordinwang9378
@jordinwang9378 7 лет назад
EclipZe Same man
@user-xx5yr5bu9s
@user-xx5yr5bu9s 6 лет назад
Gio my sympathies. It gets better
@thatonechick1318
@thatonechick1318 8 лет назад
This was awesome! I love your channel! Keep up the great work! Definitely a fan!
@francescaneibel-spruill6994
@francescaneibel-spruill6994 7 лет назад
This is so epic!!! I learned about microtones in choir a couple years ago, and I love crazy music stuff (I'm a super enthusiastic music geek) and literally spent the next week researching them! I have auditory synesthesia (sounds have colors for me) and I noticed on some radio stations that some songs are slightly out of tune, often a bit green tinted, (most keys for me are assorted oranges, blues, purples, and yellows) and it was SO FREAKING WEIRD cause I'd never heard anything green before!!! Dude, I found your channel by accident but I LITERALLY CLICKED SUBSCRIBE SO FAST I ALMOST BROKE MY HAND!!!!! Nice video, I love crazy weird music stuff!!
@RedDogMusic1
@RedDogMusic1 9 лет назад
We think Fred Durst may be accidentally 'finding' some of those microtones by just being an awful, awful singer.
@heavywoodband
@heavywoodband 9 лет назад
Red Dog how many Fred Durst notes can the human ear perceive?
@AlekPlaysMinecraft
@AlekPlaysMinecraft 8 лет назад
8 notes in an octave. That's why it's called an "octave" (octo is the root)
@TakenTooSeriously
@TakenTooSeriously 8 лет назад
So we should call 12 a duodectave?
@AlekPlaysMinecraft
@AlekPlaysMinecraft 8 лет назад
DarkFire Rogue Absolutely XDD
@busTedOaS
@busTedOaS 8 лет назад
it's only 7 different notes though, the 8th one is the octave as you said. that was the point
@AlekPlaysMinecraft
@AlekPlaysMinecraft 8 лет назад
busTedOaS There is 6 notes in between each octave, but technically 8 notes in an octave since you include the note you start and end at.
@busTedOaS
@busTedOaS 8 лет назад
+Alek S btw octo means 8 in Greek as well as Latin. not root.
@arseniy
@arseniy 8 лет назад
wow lot of great stuff to discover here! Thanks for the links I was really wanted to see some vids shown!
@Hecatonicosachoron
@Hecatonicosachoron 7 лет назад
Schoenberg's three piano pieces, op. 11, are not serialist. It's free atonality. He came up with the serialist method many years later.
@whatmusicreallyis
@whatmusicreallyis 9 лет назад
Actually, the easiest way to get into expanded tonalities & xenharmonics (microtonality) is the Terpstra Keyboard: terpstrakeyboard.com/
@sweetom888
@sweetom888 9 лет назад
That is pretty interesting but wouldn't it be difficult for a musician who is already very familiar with the standard system to learn?
@BeastlyPheonix
@BeastlyPheonix 9 лет назад
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@peyton4719
@peyton4719 9 лет назад
MY FATHER TOOK ME INTO THE CITY
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@kittycattycat2782 9 лет назад
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@maxkreeger1504
@maxkreeger1504 9 лет назад
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@w3llplayedMTL 9 лет назад
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@w3llplayedMTL 9 лет назад
A SAVIOR OF THE BROKEN, THE BEATEN AND THE DAMNED
@SZINNAPALM
@SZINNAPALM 8 лет назад
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@kalonjirivers8902
@kalonjirivers8902 7 лет назад
This is indeed an incredible subject! I'm already doing research on this, as well as experimenting on microtonal synthesizers and keyboards online.
@rocknroll81
@rocknroll81 8 лет назад
ok, so check this out, I'm about to blow your mind. SOME STRINGED INSTRUMENTS DON'T EVEN HAVE FRETS AT ALL. seriously. violins, cellos, upright basses, fretless bass guitars, etc. this video's indictment of western music as being restricted to the 12 semi tones isn't even correct. there are all kinds of ways to get in between the lines, to the "microtones". bending notes, using vibrato, sliding, tremolo, I mean um..WHAMMY BARS anybody? and you can write this stuff right there onto your sheet music. ok? I happened to have dropped out of TWO very fine music institutes. I know what I'm talking about. ok. do a little more research next time. I guarantee you that a talented western musician, like jimi hendrix for example, can get any fucking microtone out of his instrument that he wants to. and some other genius can figure out a way to write it out in sheet music. ok? ok.
@cretium805
@cretium805 6 лет назад
Pat B Tremolo is not inbetween notes
@jesse_cole
@jesse_cole 8 лет назад
This all comes from an ancient and mystical technique known as "playing out of tune."
@GraemePryce1978
@GraemePryce1978 8 лет назад
+Jesse Cole I know right! Especially that piano that the guy was changing the tuning on while he was 'playing' it. All he had achieved there is to build a piano that sounded permanently out of tune!
@thisistides97
@thisistides97 8 лет назад
+Jesse Cole actually, that's what the standard modern day piano is; out of tune. Any chord needs to have an adjusted third to actually be in tune, and because the piano is tuned to equal temperament, the form of piano that we consider "good" is actually horribly out of tune every time it plays a chord. Most of this is offensive to the sensibilities because we learn to think it's terrible when it actually corrects the errors of most temperament systems.
@GraemePryce1978
@GraemePryce1978 8 лет назад
thisistides97 I suppose, technicalities aside, it's all about what we perceive to sound 'right' though isn't it? We accept the sound of a standard piano as it is because it is what the majority of have always been taught is correct. I'm not bad at the guitar but I struggle with the piano and I certainly couldn't tune one!
@Handler870
@Handler870 6 лет назад
Your "They Live" t shirt is giving me life. I need one!
@looneyburgmusic
@looneyburgmusic 7 лет назад
Can not belive the two easiest, and cheapest, ways to access micro-tuning was not mentioned... The Yamaha DX-7II, and the Yamaha SY-77.
@pedrocardiel8036
@pedrocardiel8036 8 лет назад
Hey black flag process of wedding out is good is. fucking ep album it's mixture of punk and metal and jazz
@gaijintokyo5557
@gaijintokyo5557 8 лет назад
oh great we have a butthurt fan
@blek6708
@blek6708 8 лет назад
I enjoyed too
@ZAPPED916
@ZAPPED916 8 лет назад
Math rock?
@TheJetsFan4Eva
@TheJetsFan4Eva 8 лет назад
no. it wouldn't be math rock.
@ZAPPED916
@ZAPPED916 8 лет назад
+TheJetsFan4Eva really, Jets? I'm sorry.
@CV-qy5qi
@CV-qy5qi 9 лет назад
there is a r/microtonal subreddit...
@h92o
@h92o 9 лет назад
excellent..the basics of scaling. I want to work with a 17 note scale.,.. when I can think of the note progressions curve as either linear or exponential - on a kind of sliding scale If you will.
@CritER2023
@CritER2023 8 лет назад
Music is amazing!! Very educational video. Thanks for sharing this. This piece of knowledge has broadened my view of music.
@Toxicflu
@Toxicflu 8 лет назад
Songs like "we found love" by rihanna, and "no" by megan trainor actually have 1/4 tone passages, and a few others actually in pop culture. Its nice to know that certain keyboards actually allow 1/4 tone stuff & other non western scales. Such as my motif XS7.
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