SECRETS of a Mormon Insider & Historian - D. Michael Quinn's "Chosen Path" w/ Moshe Quinn | Ep. 1866

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Join us for the unveiling of a hidden legacy as Moshe Quinn shares his father's untold memoir with the world. We'll unravel the layers of D. Michael Quinn's remarkable journey - a path marked by secrecy, conviction, and unwavering faith. Delve into the complexities of identity, family dynamics, and the pursuit of truth as we navigate through the pages of a life story that defies conventions and embraces honesty.
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00:00:00 Intro
00:00:22 The new book “Chosen Path: A Memoir”
00:03:13 Introduction to Moshe Quin
00:04:16 Summary of D. Michael Quinn
00:09:27 Background on Quinn’s sexuality and coming out to his kids
00:23:00 Quinn never discussed his sexuality with anyone, not even his wife
00:27:35 Section from Quinn’s book read by Moshe
00:35:00 Divorce and moving out
00:39:50 What is the LDS church to those who don’t fit?
00:43:35 Sandra Tanner’s opinion on Mike changed
00:44:54 Quinn met President Spencer W. Kimball
00:49:18 Kimball snuggled his cheek against Quinn’s
00:56:51 Background of Tanner/Dr. Clandestine
01:03:04 Do the top leaders know the problems?
01:07:57 Jerald Tanner Reacts section
01:17:00 Packer’s characterization of historians
01:18:45 Durram was upset by the publication of the pamphlet
01:19:32 Arrington was removed as the Official Church Historian because of Quinn’s pamphlet
01:23:19 Feminism and the ERA in Quinn’s research
01:29:30 Why Quinn opposed the Equal Rights Amendment
01:33:00 Other fun topics covered in the book
01:36:08 Quinn wrote on post manifesto polygamy
01:39:00 Michael Quinn’s final years
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@snivelinj7612 5 месяцев назад

As a missionary long ago, we were told if the Mountain Meadows Massacre comes up when we were teaching a contact, "you shut your mouths, get them back on the discussions, or leave". It was that moment I realized that there is a lot of disingenuousness at work by the leaders and authorities of the church. People like Quinn and you guys, and so many others verify the lies that underpin the secret workings of the church. I thank you for this.

@juliehatch9861 5 месяцев назад

What is the Mountain Meadows Massacre? This is something I haven't heard about....of course😮😮 😮😮😮😮

@ah5721 5 месяцев назад

@@juliehatch9861I've heard of the mountain meadows massacre, but haven't looked it up yet What happened?!

@kennyowens4180 4 месяца назад

Really!?

@katphyre 5 месяцев назад

My mother often says, "Ad hoc ergo proptor hoc." Correlation does not equal causation. I had no idea it was a rare thing to say because I heard it a lot. She encouraged questioning everything...except the Mormon church, of course. She was at BYU about the same time as Quinn so make of that what you will. Thank heavens she saw the light about age 60 and followed 4 of her 5 children out of the church.

@larrygates2438 5 месяцев назад

Regarding Quinn not revealing to his soon-to-be wife of his homosexuality, many Mormon leaders would counsel men dealing with issues of being gay not to say anything to anyone about being gay, especially to a young women he may be considering for marriage. That is what I was counseled and I know of others given that same counsel.

@mountainman4859 3 месяца назад

It was what I was counseled to do too. The stake president told me sex with a woman was so wonderful it would change me. So why scare her off? Thankfully I knew he was wrong and I never married. But plenty of men did. The church is responsible for many broken homes. Many suicides.

@TracieAviary 5 месяцев назад

I'm laughing and crying my way through this book, I was fortunate to meet DM Quinn, he loved hearing my drag stories.. doing shows on Saturday Nights to raise money for the HIV/AIDS Community then going to Church the next morning...wondering if I have any makeup residue still left on my face. Liquid eyeliner is impossible to remove! Lol Thank you for sharing MS! Big Hugs!

@ah5721 5 месяцев назад

Best thing to remove stubborn waterproof makeup is Almond oil and a cotton round..

@amanda_weber1 5 месяцев назад

The quality and quantity of content from Mormon Stories lately is 🔥. So many important stories! Thank you

@Myzenlife65 5 месяцев назад

Same..... Im a 64 year old non binary lesbian. I feel this. Can't wait to read the book. I was exmo way before there was ever a community to offer support. So glad to see people come together.

@davewilson4094 5 месяцев назад

His book Mormon & The Magic World View changed my life. I found the book in the 1990s in a public library while browsing. If I only had 1 book to read for the rest of my life, this would be it.

@bodytrainer1crane730 5 месяцев назад

Totally, it's a paradigm shifter.

@sarawilkinson-lamb3606 3 месяца назад

My thoughts as well

@whitajeman 5 месяцев назад

I've been looking forward to this episode since I saw the notification of its drop. Can't wait to jump in. The history of the church is a part of deconstruction that broke my heart (and I'm sure thousands more) I had already lost my faith before I dug into studying the history so I'm eternally grateful for MS and many others who are willing to discuss the uncomfortable history.

@markkrispin6944 5 месяцев назад

D. Michael Quinn was a true hero for being so honest and being so true to himself. RIP Mr. Quinn

@user-jm1rt5yc5w 5 месяцев назад

Mormon Stories in the past year have been so fun and engaging. Keep up the good work!

@whitesalamander 5 месяцев назад

Much respect for this panel and for Mr. Quinn👏

@TheMormonAtheist 5 месяцев назад

Can’t wait for this one. Love these shows.

@cherishcherish4083 5 месяцев назад

What’s it about?

@ExmoRaymo 5 месяцев назад

Love all this! What a remarkable human

@HermanFickewirth 5 месяцев назад

WOW! ----What a great interview. I'm not LDS, but my best friend is. I have ordered this book as a gift for him. I am still a Bible believing Christian, and am saddened by how few who leave the LDS church discover a faith in Jesus Christ as Savior or a deep relationship with Him. It would be great to interview someone who has left the LDS church and found a new Faith elsewhere. Thankyou and I will continue to support your channel.

@nirajjoshi3540 5 месяцев назад

I used to live near the Mormon Temple this channel is a great way for me to challenge those kids that try to recruit for the cult. Also I. Point it calls itself the Mormon Temple of Toronto and is in the suburbs. I've been there 3 times and was creeped out by how they all tried to recruit for MLMs each time too.

@robertderkach650 5 месяцев назад

Brampton Temple

@Zeett09 5 месяцев назад

In my youth in Utah in the 1970’s (I’m not LDS) the term Lamanite was used freely in conversation with my Mormon friends. Now it’s seemingly almost a taboo word.

@CatskillsGrrl 4 месяца назад

I was a student of Michael Quinn. I loved him.

@altnon 4 месяца назад

Always watching Mormon Stories because John is the only one who can put me to sleep.

@alishabee369 5 месяцев назад

This is such a cool episode. I am dying laughing sometimes with glee. I am totally celebrating a reckoning of the truth coming due. Yay!

@bodytrainer1crane730 5 месяцев назад

I am so excited to read this book. I honestly feel proud of D. Michael Quinn and the life that he lived. A wonderful human. ❤️❤️❤️

@danielwesemann4205 5 месяцев назад

Excellent and interesting presentation. Absolutely priceless book.

@michelecraig9658 4 месяца назад

I think what is so moving about this is his beautiful writing, deep thinking, and the self reflection of his conflict. I definitely want to read this book.

@debraallender7444 5 месяцев назад

Great episode! I am looking forward to reading this book. Its a lighter topic than many.

@IvoneteMascara-nx6wz 5 месяцев назад

Great show!!!! Thx!!!!

@mormonstories 5 месяцев назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@cynthiaejiogu8442 5 месяцев назад

Just bought it! Will be reading soon!

@amyanderson6904 5 месяцев назад

Good morning!!🎉

@clarestucki5151 5 месяцев назад

Never heard of D Michael Quinn, but his story appears to parallel the story of Elizabeth Smart's dad.

@kentthalman4459 5 месяцев назад

The scholarship behind Magical World View has no peers

@sdfotodude 5 месяцев назад

Awesome as usual

@derekbeauchamp2409 5 месяцев назад

Again another brilliant video, I didn’t know about Michael Quinn when I was in the church, but when I was on my mission in the Arcadia California mission, from 1980-1982. One Saturday when we had a get together for our missionary meeting. Some return missionaries came to it. And told us about “ Adam god doctrines” and that god came down to Mary, to bring about the birth off Jesus. So we had two stories about the church. I was offered a very large book , which to us , was anti Mormonism. But we didn’t take it. Wish I did now ! These guys we’re going around every district missionary meeting on Saturday morning. So everyone got to here about it. I couldn’t believe what I was hearing, I was confused. Four years later my and I left the church.

@nmutant 5 месяцев назад

I recommend!

@captainwumbo7629 5 месяцев назад

Hey everyone 👋

@briansmith7780 4 месяца назад

Could someone please bring me up to speed on who the Tanners are?

@TalismanianDevil 5 месяцев назад

Another great show. Thank you. Regarding information about post-manifesto polygamy, contact the LDS Family Search Centre, in Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada. Also contact the Lethbridge Public Library and the Cardston Temple Archives. Utah polygamists came to southern Alberta in the late 1870s to continue the practice and settled at Aetna. They evaded joining confederation until 1905-when there were finally enough non-LDS settlers to outnumber them. Some relocated to Bountiful, British Columbia, while others continued the practice in secret well into the 1930s. They began construction on the Cardston Temple in 1914 in order to continue to perform polygamous sealings in secret. The Cardston Temple was dedicated in 1923 by Heber J. Grant. The local Blood and Blackfeet Tribes had an unusual relationship with the Mormon settlers to say the least. Mormon missionaries were teaching the Natives about the Millenarism of Joseph Smith’s D&C 130:14-17. “Chief Wovoka” or Jack Wilson by his English name, taught many tribes to make Ghost Shirts that would repel bullets and to dance the Ghost Dance in order to usher in the reincarnation of Jesus Christ in 1890 as, “…the white Holy Men told him it was soon to come”. -Seeker of Visions, Lame Deer and John Fire, Richard Erodes, page 228. There was also an aggressive adopt a “half-breed” LDS program where the children of local Native women were taken and given to adoptive LDS settlers to raise to lighten their skin through the generations. Which white men impregnated them remains a mystery. Disturbingly, the Native adoptions continued well into the late 20th century within the mainstream LDS church throughout Canada and the US…but that’s a whole new can of Mormon worms.

@ah5721 5 месяцев назад

Omg. Dark secrets 😢

@SR-bw3sc 5 месяцев назад

At apprx 1:03 per historical church leaders "that knew" things: see EXCELLENT Mormon Stories episode with historian Shannon Caldwell Montez. 👏

@OnlyIfYourReady 5 месяцев назад

I would like to see this channel address the whole “Moor”man name, and “Moro”ni Angel.

@suzanneluft7226 5 месяцев назад

What??? Apostles no longer allowed to keep journals? Wow!!!!

@goanna2012 5 месяцев назад

Pint of view ❤ 1:08:03

@function0077 4 месяца назад

Wow, D. Michael Quinn found a post-manifesto polygamy book in his local LDS chapel library?! Libraries, even LDS chapel libraries (i.e. extremely low quality libraries), can be dangerous for those too invested in certain narratives.

@lorettagarcia212 5 месяцев назад

I'm confused. As ponient as the personal struggle is, if they are already knowledgeable of the falsehood of the faith origins, why the struggle to be accepted by the false leaders ?

@ah5721 5 месяцев назад

Because everybody wants to feel a sense of belonging. And the nail that sticks out gets hammered down. Especially in Utah

@MsCaterific 5 месяцев назад

💞

@mb-the-enby 5 месяцев назад

Anyone know why D. Michael Quinn named his son Moshe? It’s the Hebrew equivalent of Moses, but DMQ was not to my knowledge a scholar of the Bible or Hebrew.

@itllbesuzanarchy 5 месяцев назад

I was wondering the same thing. Maybe there's a way to directly contact him and see if he ever asked his dad about this?

@goanna2012 5 месяцев назад

From my atheist plot of view 😮it’s so interesting to listen to your podcasts ❤

@jenniferstevenson1618 5 месяцев назад

I fell deeply I. Love with a very devout morman. This went on for three years. We broke up. I'm devastated. Is there anyone I can talk to?

@fussyrenovator7551 5 месяцев назад

You escaped a cult. Feel relieved.

@jlcl96 5 месяцев назад

I am sorry to hear you had a devastating breakup. I don’t know if it will help or not, but listening to the Mormon Stories episodes may help you understand more about your ex especially if religion played a part in the breakup. You can search for specific things like dating outside the Faith or return missionaries or attitudes about marriage. Best wishes.

@jenniferstevenson1618 5 месяцев назад

@@jlcl96 morman stories has been a comfort

@jenniferstevenson1618 5 месяцев назад

@fussyrenovator7551 yeah, it was really weird. I mean, like, I was a sociology major in college. I'm open...plus, I'm a bhudist. So? He was so hateful. Why?

@lindahoward4639 5 месяцев назад

John, you don’t seem like yourself. Are you feeling alright?

@user-eu8nm2dc1y 5 месяцев назад

I think they will either have to change their policy or they won't survive

@caseytaylor1487 5 месяцев назад

What is the ERA?

@markchollak2784 5 месяцев назад

Equal Rights Amendment. It was a proposed amendment to the Constitution that would have protected rights for women in the workplace and other arenas of life. It narrowly missed being approved in the late 1970s. A Mormon woman named Sonia Johnson was a vocal supporter of it. She was excommunicated from the church for doing so.

@caseytaylor1487 5 месяцев назад

@@markchollak2784 Thanks for the info!

@ah5721 5 месяцев назад

Equal rights amendment

@michelecraig9658 4 месяца назад

The Equal Right Amendment. For a hot minute, we women were trying to get an amendment to the US Constitution to give equal rights for women (the ability to own property separate from husbands, equal pay for equal work, etc etc. ) unfortunately, it never got the votes to pass.

@ah5721 5 месяцев назад

Cant believe Quinn was excommunicated for wanting to share church history with everyone. So many lives could have been saved and so much heart ache could have been avoided if it was published instead of the church takingthe stance "Dont complain dont explain" and now everyone now finding out things they weren't taught over the pupit and the narititive to only share "faith promoting " tidbits .

@manderson4803 4 месяца назад

My word....your hair looks silky, John. ❤

@function0077 4 месяца назад

Well, isn't there the famous case where a boy killed himself because he felt so guilty about masturbating. Queer or not queer, Mormon teachings can have very negative consequences for the lives of its victims.

@nute742 3 месяца назад

So may I "gather" from all these videos that these people still "believe" in the LDS church (and its gospel in general, 1st vision, bom, restoration, etc) But just don't agree with some of the people, programs, or administrations and past history?

@Maryfs1 5 месяцев назад

Moshe, do you have a sister named Harley?

@mauramc72 5 месяцев назад

Wish I could pay attention to what is being said but all I can hear is John BREATHING! I honestly wish so badly that he could learn to breathe quietly. I have misophonia and his loud ass breathing drives me insane. F

@mormonstories 5 месяцев назад

How do you know it’s me?

@mauramc72 5 месяцев назад

@@mormonstories the spirit told me 😂 But for real though, your breathing man.. it’s painful for me. I legit want to listen to the podcast and I’m very interested in what’s being said but every time I hear you inhale it’s like an electric shock and it’s rage inducing. I can only listen in short bursts before it’s too much. Misophonia is a bitch

@MamaSea888 5 месяцев назад

@@mormonstories😂😂

@ah5721 5 месяцев назад

The mouth breathing Annoys me too. Maybe you can edit that a little bit out.

@MeditatewithVeronica Месяц назад

I’ve never even noticed his breathing.. idk about that 😂

@aa-bz9se 5 месяцев назад

I really appreciate what John has done for the ex-mormon community. However, I think that you should come back to Jesus Christ. It seems like when people leave the Mormon Church they need something else, and sometimes that's something else is the religion of education.

@markkrispin6944 5 месяцев назад

John Delin is doing just fine and is happy without being involved in the Mormon Cult Church, thank you.

@DasMutterrecht 5 месяцев назад

The Church does such a good job inoculating members against other beliefs. It's hard to latch on to a similar system. You know how they all work at that point.

@vmofu7317 3 месяца назад

All you do is preach in the comments where it’s not welcomed and you’re infringing on this space, how disgusting, selfish, and arrogant of you

@sandee-zn9tq 5 месяцев назад

Disappointed to hear that US Solicitor General, founding BYU law school dean & BYU Pres Rex E Lee (@1:25" mark) was instrumental in writing amicus brief doc that gave GAs rationalization to kill ERA! Read Rex's book Marathon of Faith & purchased several copies for friends & family. Rex's book details his battle w/ cancer. Used to have a lot of respect for Rex. Not so sad now that cancer got him 2nd time, after he relapsed. KARMA.