Sedevacantism Debate: Are John XXIII Through Francis True Popes? Jeff Cassman Vs Br. Peter Dimond 

@@brianluis4248 eastern “orthodoxy” is an absurd polytheistic religion which worships uncreated energies as God even though those energies are infinitely lesser than and distinct from the Divine Essence.

@@brianluis4248 amen

@@brianluis4248 I’ve no idea how on earth you came to that conclusion

That was one of the best highlights of the debate. It totally got him off guard.

It's just reality.

His concerns are all our concerns. The fact that there are bishops or cardinals at vatican 2 were freemasons. Baggio, Bugnini, etc. Maybe even Bergolio

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@@DavidRodriguez-er4rq Don't forget Angelo Giuseppe Roncalli (john 23rd) who was definitely a freemason

Only cowards and schismatics want this video deleted.

No, no, it's because it's 'scandalous.' You see, they're afraid the likes of Fra Dimond might lead people out of the 'religion' its hierarchs say you shouldn't try to convert anyone to, and that is no big deal anyway. Plus, it's only going to change until God smites it anyway. Thus, there is no singular, unified religion to join. V2 is the spiritual equivalent of 'da Rona.' Also, everyone but smelly Sedes go to Heaven anyway, thilly! See? The unfailingly charitable Novus Ordites are really just trying to _save_ everyone! Don't you feel bad now? #cope #copium

Really they want this to be deleted??? I’m totally convinced of Brother Peter and everything he said makes so much sense.

@@Maya-yp2ey I pray you keep attending Mass, for the sake of your soul.

@@Maya-yp2ey , At least they _did._ Please note that the OP is eleven months old.

Well you’re dealing with a group of apostates and children of the Devil who at this moment have control of the world from the shadows, the first who became the last. It explains why it’s controversial. They fooled the whole world into believing that an extermination happened to them 80 odd years ago after all.

In a time of looking like the end of days, if you were charged with getting out and ‘saving’ as many people as you could before the curtain closed, how would you go about it? Would you stay at home and pound your desk repeating the (NT) ‘laws’ you have been taught expecting a proud world to either yield or perish, or would you seek to go and and talk to anyone and everyone who needs saving by engaging them on their own terms (without yielding your own doctrines) until they might see the tiny light filled tunnel that leads from the way they are thinking to a true understanding of Jesus, his sacrifice, his mission and Heaven ?

@@eddiej9733 the second option

Why does Romans 11 say that God hasn’t rejected His people (Israel) and that the call of God is irrevocable. That Israel will be saved, and that mercy will be given to them?

@@christsavesreadromans1096 The Church is the new Israel.

If he had been asked what a woman is, he’d say he couldn’t answer because he wasn’t a doctor.

Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine. Jeremiah 51 7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad. Revelation 13 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Chapter 17 1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Revelation 18 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. Daniel 9 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

This would follow from believing in a teaching magisterium.

not even what he was saying

@@Emanresuadeen ..... precisely.

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same here. im an outsider as well, but Br. Dimond really seems to have a solid case.

It’s slander for a reason, because they can’t deal with his position. Those who seek to live a righteous life in the Lord will be persecuted.

Matthew 10:25

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Agreed. He is one of the best from the roman church: highly intelligent, but he makes almost genius-level gymnastics to prove doctrines which cant be proved in his other videos. Always enjoyable to hear him. God rest

Which means an impotent effect, i.e., a #contradiction and, thus, an impossibility.

I'll Follow Christs Church....NOT DIMONDS ..👎..🙏

@Smithsnmoz I think he also follows Christ's. That's his whole point. The vatican 2 anti church is not Christs Church.

@@johncas4845 Dude, no... Listen to the authority of the Church.. don't go your own way like the protestants...

@@noahm44 amén

His whole point is that Vatican II went its own way. He is arguing that we should remain Catholic. He is arguing that Francis is an antipope. Did you even listen to the debate?

The reference to "in the spirit of Vatican 2" or pre-or post vatican 2 is because the Catican 2 Council from its procedures and execution of those procedures and the "shananigans" and suppression of opinions to push through the "changes" were earth shattering. Even Paul VI regretted it. I am reading the 3 book series by Michael Davies and it is eye opening!!!!

"Paul VI" was a Mason. So were "John Paul II" and "BeneDict XVI". So is "Francis". Does "Francis" ProFess the True Faith?

@@miguelpasamano4995is this proven? How can i find out?

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​@@mydreamsarecomingtrue no, it's not proven and it's not true

At least the consequences thereof.

Article by The Catholic Esquire - Yes, Catholics Can Judge who is Pope, which explains why It is not outside of our state I came here to learn.

I'd lik to s Bro. Peter and Fr. Ripperger debate.these issues.

@YP Poe - what do you mean by the second mental act - a kind of discernment?

@YP Poe -oh yes, thank you. You seem to be consistently spot on ( that is, according to my reasoning).

@YP Poe - I can't send links. Sometimes it will work if included in comment below the vid, but not if I comment in reply from notifications. I have to write out tittles to books , article or vids...(Can you write it out?) Thanks.

This is THE point. There is an elephant in the living room when you can't honestly answer the question "is the pope catholic?".

Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine. Jeremiah 51 7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad. Revelation 13 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Chapter 17 1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Revelation 18 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. Daniel 9 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

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I know Matt Fraddie does a lot of click bait to appease reach and view counts but at some point you have to think, some of the stuff he is propagating is just scandalous and perhaps even sinful for giving it a platform. You are not to give errors rights, just like with Protestantism.

@@louisIXco Saints and even doctors of the Church held the sedevacantist position. To ask for this to be censored is far from Catholic. Cassman was absolutely destroyed in this debate. And I think it was because he was wrong. If U want to censor speech it’s probably because u can’t defend ur position

@@louisIXco I am not a sedevacantist, but Dimond clearly won the debate. So the scandal does not come from Matt for hosting the debate, but from Jeff’s lack of research to properly dismantle it

@@christisking9773 the Church used to ban books. Do you think that was coincidental?

@@Seethi_C that is absurd. These podcasters are the ones that will be held liable for how much spewed from their platforms.

they changed the words of consecration for the wine its invalid, thats why the harlot is always identified with wine. Jeremiah 51 7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad. Revelation 13 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Chapter 17 1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Revelation 18 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. Daniel 9 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

And Bro. Did not need Teleprompter. Look at the glasses glare of other man. You can see it

Bro. Dimond seemed prepared because he is, and has been debating heretics and false Christians for many years. He has done extensive study on Church teachings and the magisterium, amongst many other writings. I've followed MHFM for years and have yet to find error or contradiction in what they propose.

@@Flagrum3 Is scandal no longer a sin?

@@glennryan646 What scandal are you talking about?

Why would he address him by the title of Brother when this man clearly is not? He is not a member of the Catholic Church.

@@philfrank5601 Actually he is a member of the Catholic Church, but not of the false apostate Vatican II counter church.

You answer yourself. If Jeff Cassman calls the traditional Catholic Benedictine monk Peter Dimond his brother, it is because Jeff is simply telling you to your face that he is following the heresy of the Second Vatican Council, but what heresy? that of calling brother in faith, separated brother..., anyone who professes faith in Jesus Christ. If Jeff were a true Catholic, of course he wouldn't call the Benedictine Catholic Brother Peter Dimond "brother," because Jeff in his supposedly Catholic conception would know that this monk would not be a true Catholic, but the proof is right in your face: Jeff Cassman IS A MODERNIST HERETIC OF THE APOSTETIC AND HERETIC SECOND VATICAN COUNCIL, who is calling everyone who believes in Christ a brother, as the PESTILE DOCUMENT ON VATICAN II ECUMENISM says: UNITATIS REDINTEGRATIO NUMBER 1 Here in Unitatis Redintegratio numeral 1 of Vatican II you can see Jeff's HERESY of calling those who believe in Christ "brothers", separated brothers, this without caring to the Masonic Council that those "separated brothers" are heretics and that they are the doors of the hell from Matthew 16, 18. The difference with brother Pedro Dimond is that HE IS CATHOLIC! And Jeff's own weakness in calling a monk who he considers a rebel against the authority of the Church and therefore outside its bosom, only reveals himself as a heretic, why? because he absorbed the HERESY of the Second Vatican Council of calling HERETICS separate brothers, and Jeff is part of those MODERNIST HERETICS

@@philfrank5601Yes he is.

@@Flagrum3Bingo

If you watch carefully, you'll also notice that Cassman filibusters quite a bit to eat up time and when Peter finally got tired of it and tried to break in, Cassman made that accusation of "interrupting".

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@@willweigand5820exactly you got that right!

Correct. Bro Dimond murdered Cassman and we are all witnesses. Lol

Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine. Jeremiah 51 7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad. Revelation 13 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Chapter 17 1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Revelation 18 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. Daniel 9 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

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And you still need a judicial process before you convict the murderer. Not self imposed, unauthorised proclamation.

@@denisebraganza Correct, but don't hold your breath. That is not coming soon. The Roman judicial hierarchy is filled with heretics. What is coming soon however is the Judgement of Jesus Christ on Bergoglio. In the meantime every true Catholic has the duty to defend the faith by calling out the enemy it sees, otherwise you would be a coward. Don't be fooled by titles, just look at what happened to Nestorius.

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His concern is shared by many. The problem is that if the smoke of Satan did enter the church in vatican 2, then those freemasons like Baggio, Bugnini, and his bishops that were placed need to be exposed. He needs to talk to Fr Murr or get the Gagnon report somehow. Maybe by an Angel?

A heretical lack of sight. Jesus promised to NEVER ABANDON HIS CHURCH. I believe Jesus

@@denisebraganzaJesus didn’t abandon the church, the church abandoned Jesus. That’s the whole point of this movement.

Slight correction, modernist heretics who infiltrated and took over the buildings abandoned Jesus with the heretical vatican II council. @@AlejandroDeLaRosa05

he didn't

Perhaps because he's not actually teaching Catholic dogma...

Yours is one of the more ridiculous posts here. ‘Above reproach’ was the line that crueled you. But followed closely by ‘offensive’

@@eddiej9733 "crueled" is not a word, genius. I do agree however, that no soul, with the exception of the Holy Virgin, is above reproach.

Dimond won the debate but he is basically arguing like a Protestant, something which he would obviously deny. The question of authority is something which he can’t convincingly answer (Protestants can answer it but he doesn’t want to be a Protestant so he can’t give a convincing answer). He can’t solve the authority problem so it’s ultimately him, and the people who hold the same views as him, who are the ultimate authority, even if he would deny that by quoting (picking and choosing) former popes and texts, thereby proving my point.

@@raskolnikov6443 Hear! Hear! Well said. These people set themselves as Judges of the Church, which is both preposterous and scandalous.

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And as can be expected, he handily dismantled Horn’s position.

Trent Horn is a self-promoting heretic and has IMO, a third-rate mind. He wouldn't dare debate Dimond. Like Fradd, the Gordon brothers, Ralph Martin, Scott Hahn, Inc., too many pseudo-intellectuals wanted to grow up to be professional Catholics, promoting not faith, but their own cults of personality and puerile books written to a sixth grade comprehension level.

The problem is that if the smoke of Satan did enter the church in vatican 2, then those freemasons like Baggio, Bugnini, and his bishops that were placed need to be exposed. He needs to talk to Fr Murr or get the Gagnon report somehow. Maybe by an Angel?

@@collectiveconsciousness5314 Trent Horn's position on what?

Peter Diamond exposes his own false teaching by contracting the Bible

I like how Brother Peter had no response to how his sedevacantist cult doesn't have the visible unity of the church that is one of the marks of the Catholic church. Ecclesiam Dei (Pope Pius XI (1923)) The Church possesses-a fact known to all-as one of its visible marks, impressed on it by God, that of a world-wide unity. Christ, Our Lord, not only entrusted to His Apostles and, to them alone, the mission which He had received from His Father ... He also wished the College of Apostles to possess perfect unity, a unity based on a twofold and well-knit bond, one bond internal, ..., for He conferred upon Peter a primacy over the Apostles as a perpetual principle and visible foundation for the Church’s unity. At the close of His mortal life, he impressed upon the Apostles in the strongest possible terms the supreme need of this unity.

@@irreviewBro. Dimond answered that question. He quoted St. Francis de Sales the Church in the end of times would be 'secret and hidden,' and St. Augustine the true Church 'will not appear before the end of the world. ' Bro. Dimond also quoted Luke 18:8 that in the end Christ won't find the faith on earth. Buildings and robes don't mean Faith if your Pope prays to Pachamamas! Proverbs 15:8 comes to mind: The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord.

@@johninsoca2844 then you deny the promise of Christ that the church would prevail until the end, if all the successors of the apostles fell into heresy. You also deny Vatican I, which promises a perpetual succession of the chair of St Peter.

@@irreview No I don't, heretic. The true Church exists in a FAITHFUL remnant. If you deviate from one thing, you are outside the true Church. That's how Christ guarantees the gates of hell don't prevail. Heretics like yourself are the gates of hell. You and Francis and Pachamamas all are part of the same religion. If you recognise Francis as you Pope, then you are in the Vatican II Sect.

Gabriel, It looked like Dimond's opponent would make a statement, then wait to see if his answer was right. Dimond was the judge. He looked like he was thinking "Boy, I picked the wrong guy to debate. 🤣

Their RU-vid channel is vaticancatholic.

@@j.knight9335 I second this! The amount of research he does is superhuman.

@@CatholicHusband Jeff cassman didn’t loose

@@cardboardcapeii4286 he did the moment he cant honestly answer if francis profess the true faith. Consider profess mean external forum. So is not needed to read hearts to answer that, and still cassman cant say a clear YES, because he knows if he does, he is identifying things like: "god wants all religions", "lutherans have the true faith of christ" , "luther was right on justification", "atheists can be saved", etc.... with professing the true faith, which would make of he himself an apostate. In the end he admits that the official teaching of the novus ordo lead people to sin , which is imcompatible with the true catholic church. CONCLUSION: novus ordo is not the catholic church

@@josedanielcabrerapena3371 heresy doesnt nessarily remove one from the papacy.

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I reccomend watching Brother Peter's other debates as well. He beat fr james gordon, Pinesap, gnrhead (william albrecht), william golle, nick santosuso and many others. You'll start to notice that they all say the same things( for over 20 years!) but can never refute because the truth cannot be refuted. They are afraid to debate him nowadays so they resort to misrepresenting and lying about Brothers positions

@@15DecadesDaily Thanks, I will actually do that, I am floored by how good Br Dimonds case was and how it addresses literally all the concerns Ive had with the RCC

You are following a heretic, my friend. Because you have been dazzled by Diamond's ability to talk fast and use big words, you have fallen into error. This is not a debate over politics or history. The eternal life of anyone who believes in the heresy of sedevacantism is at stake, including yours. Repent and accept the one true faith or you will be damned.

@@hairypawter8475 Just checking in. Have you come out of the Vatican II/become a traditional Catholic yet? 🙂

@@mjr8279do we really have to stay home and pray rosaries?

If you liked this church-crisis-related content, may I present a content which gives over, among others, Malachi Martin, who read the Third Secret of Fatima, explained the Secret contains the information that an apostasy [the apostasy was confirmed by "Cardinal" Ciappi as within the Third Secret], will make the papacy eventually be linked to an underground church distinct from a facade secularized false church? And this detail from the Secret totally contradicts what many say who take either side (Brother Peter's of Jeff's). You won't find sufficiently sound and nonmisleading information on what is going on except through the material I put out (among others the RU-vid video "The Scourge of the Dimond Brothers") .

Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine. Jeremiah 51 7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad. Revelation 13 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Chapter 17 1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Revelation 18 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. Daniel 9 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

The problem is that if the smoke of Satan did enter the church in vatican 2, then those freemasons like Baggio, Bugnini, and his bishops that were placed need to be exposed. Maybe the Percelli list in its original published firm. He needs to talk to Fr Murr or get the Gagnon report somehow. Maybe by an Angel?

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Hands down... Truth was undeniable.

“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?

He really doesn't like vatican 2. He needs to make friends in Rome with Cardinals that are not stone cutters if he can find them. The get the Gagnon report or get a way to expose them.

Was "Brother" Dimond divinely (ordinarily or extraordinarily) appointed as a legitimate judge of the Church?

Thank you. Deo Gratia.

We tried.

Definitely Matt for having this debate. Good on him. He was excellent as a moderator!

Thank you to Matt for setting up the teaching of heresy

If you liked this church-crisis-related content kept civil, may I present a content which gives over with absolute objectiveness, among others, that Malachi Martin, who read the Third Secret of Fatima, explained the Secret contains the information that an apostasy [the apostasy was confirmed by "Cardinal" Ciappi as within the Third Secret], will make the papacy eventually be linked to an underground church distinct from a facade secularized false church? And this detail from the Secret totally contradicts what many say who take either side (Brother Peter's of Jeff's). You won't find sufficiently sound and nonmisleading information on what is going on except through the material I put out (among others the RU-vid video "The Scourge of the Dimond Brothers") .

"Brother" Peter, who is neither a Catholic nor a monk, is an extremely dangerous false prophet who teaches heresies and consistently and knowingly misrepresents scripture but gets away with it by burying his opponent under an avalanche of trivia and non-sequiturs, even citing parts quotes that argue against his own positions but framing them as if they support his positions by leaving out significant parts of the quote. Please watch Counsel of Trent's rebuttal, for the well-being of your soul.

@Curtis MH yeah dont state them lol

You shall the Church is no-longer visibly on earth. Jesus Christ said " upon thee i will build my Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail." What am i to do? I prefer to believe in Jesus Christ.

@Curtis MH Trent Horn Is a heretic and Br. Peter refutes Trent Horn response. Trent Horn was trying to correct Br. Peter without Dimond being there. So trusting Trent Horn Is a bad idea.

@@johnjones8315 First of all, he isn't "Brother" Dimond, because he isn't a real monk, and neither he nor his brother "Michael" have repented of repeatedly lying about being monks. Secondly, his name isn't even Peter. Thirdly, he didn't "refute" Trent Horn. He addressed the lowest hanging fruit from Horn's video, while ignoring everything else that was said. Fourthly, the Dimond brothers' position cannot coincide with infallible Catholic teaching because it is a pseudo-Catholic cult. If there ceases to be a visible Church, then Catholic teaching is wrong, the Church is not infallible, and the whole thing falls apart at its foundation. Anyone who claims that the visible Church can cease to exist is not Catholic.

SIMPLE AS

​@@JGrimm52It's not simple as because as more time goes by, there won't be a Catholic alive before Vatican 2 thus rendering the Church meaningless. It's already absurd that every priest is not a priest because they're from the era of Vatican 2 on. Think of all the wasted actions and moments and memories of all these priests and nuns just because a thing called RU-vid comes into existence and a man in upstate NY makes videos that all of them are invalid. Please think this through before you speak.

​@@Danny-zm5rhAre you confusing the Home Alone/Betrayed Catholics position with Sedevacantism?

Dimond won the debate but he is basically arguing like a Protestant, something which he would obviously deny. The question of authority is something which he can’t convincingly answer (Protestants can answer it but he doesn’t want to be a Protestant so he can’t give a convincing answer). He can’t solve the authority problem so it’s ultimately him, and the people who hold the same views as him, who are the ultimate authority, even if he would deny that by quoting (picking and choosing) former popes and texts, thereby proving my point.

@@raskolnikov6443 to be fair to dimond, I don’t think the Catholic Church has sufficiently addressed the issue of a heretical pope and its implications for epistemology either.

Your Excellency, you cannot supporting (I wanted to say : congatulating) him... The bishops constitute the hierarchy of the Church. To cut oneself off from them, as the sedevacantists do, has already been condemned by Leo XII and Leo XIII. These popes were targeting a group whose members denied the legitimacy of Pope Pius VII: like the Br. Dimond. Leo XII, Pastoris Aeterni: “Your Little Church cannot therefore in any way belong to the Catholic Church. By the very admission of your masters, or rather of those who deceive you, there are no longer any French bishops who support and defend the party you follow. Moreover, all the bishops of the Catholic Universe, to whom they themselves have appealed, and to whom they have addressed their schismatic claims in print, are recognized as approving the conventions of Pius VII and the acts which followed, and the whole Catholic Church is now entirely favorable to them.” Leo XIII, Eximia nos laetitia: “Absolutely no bishop considers them and governs them as his sheep. From this they must conclude with certainty and evidence that they are defectors from the fold of Christ. Now, just as the Little Church had no bishop who recognized them, so these people denying the Authority of Popes had no bishop who recognized them, all of whom recognized Paul VI in 1964 and 1965.

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Fake bishop. First, Peter Dimonds real name is Bobby. Second, he is not a real brother. Third, he denies the holocaust. Fourth, he spreads lies to defame people (I have proof). Dont follow this heretic. I have proof he is evil if you need it.

I don't want to be a sedevacantist but Bro. Peter Diamond got some really good and essential points to observe.

Congrats. You're protesting christs one church and listening to a modern day Martin luther. Popes can be sinners you know. Thats doesn't change christs church is his church.

Many, many examples throughout history. St Thomas More's own bishops in union the Bishop of Canterbury told him the same thing. Only the elderly Bishop Fisher dissented.

I would definitely tune in for that.

I would appreciate it

Would've made for a much better more balanced debate that's for sure

I don’t think this is Akin’s wheelhouse, but John Salza and Michael Lofton would be the best contenders

You just watched it.

No one can know another’s salvation.

@@TCM1231 But we can assess if someone professes the true faith, if you can't do that then you can't know if you're even following it yourself. As for salvation that's a matter for God and God alone - we all recognise that.

@@HOSPlTALLER Who’s to say your interpretation is right over Pope Francis? He’s the Pope. We’re just layman.

@@TCM1231You don’t have to have magisterial authority to recognize someone is speaking blatant heresy. That doesn’t mean they are going to hell or even that they are anathama, just that they are speaking heresy and must be corrected. For example, saying allah is YHWH is simply false and contradicts most of Christian theology since the rise of Islam.

You could call or email their monastery; they have people there to answer questions. They are quite charitable in that regard

It means that papism is false, and Eastern Orthodoxy was right all along. The Orthodox Church are the original true sedevacantists, since we claim that there wasn't a valid Roman bishop for about a thousand years now - the innovations had started many hundreds of years before Vatican 2: adding to the Creed, changing the ecclesiology from the conciliar approach of the first millennium to a unilateral dictatorship, perverting the liturgy and so on and so forth. The real One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Eastern Orthodox Church is not built on one dude in one city, but on Christ and every bishop is a successor to the apostles not just the bishop of Rome.

He was definitely on the offensive while the other was 100% just defensive

Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine. Jeremiah 51 7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad. Revelation 13 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Chapter 17 1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Revelation 18 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. Daniel 9 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

He won the debate but is still in schism and outside of the church with disobedience towards authority

@@marypreethavalentine9851 WRONG and you have no authority to pronounce schism unless Dimond rejects the CHAIR OF PETER. Dimond rejects the current apostate who sits in the chair, not the chair. "Better there be scandal than the truth be suppressed." Pope St. Felix. You are a typical, ignorant, illiterate Novus Ordite.

“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?

@@stlouisix3 I doubt that the original commenter knows what MHFM means. For the commenter: it means Most Holy Family Monastery, Bro. Dimond's monastery.

RU-vid. com / c / mhfm1 This is Dimond's channel name. Live links not allowed in comments. Take out spaces.

My opinion; Brother Peter clearly stole the show.

@@DR-nw3jn Yes it was.

@@stlouisix3 I think I saw you in Gregory mannarinos comment section

“Brother” Peter Diamond is a demonic false teacher. He has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on all his popular videos, he isn’t a brother, he says to never attend mass, what kind of man speaks the truth yet yields such strange and darkened fruit?

I’m a Sede.

"all Catholics need to have these conversations".. No, you seem to have confused Jesus' Church with a liberal civic institution. All Catholics need to submit to the guidance of the Holy Spirit as expressed in Church councils and by the Magisterium. To think we need to "have discussions" that accuse a Church council of heresy is Protestantism.. Even Protestants would rarely refer to issues as niggling as the ones raised by Dimond as heresy.. If you want "these troubled times" to get even worse, keep giving venue to people who are attacking the unity of Jesus' church.

Peter Dimond was basically called a heretic

@@stlouisix3 take it easy there Louis. You’re The ignoramus

@@Deus-Vult-AMDG says the ignoramus😱

They both lost... as did all of us who listened to this... and I'm being intellectually honest. :)

@@stlouisix3 heresy can never be 100% correct, remember anyone who says you fool! Is liable to judgment

@@lukebrasting5108 Yes, and that's why Fr. Eric Mackenzie's Delict of Heresy was brought up by both sides in this debate.

@@lukebrasting5108 the "material/formal" heresy is AntiTraditional AntiBiblical and was never heard of before Augustinus and then Tommasi D'Aquino.

Pope Honorios...

@@KeyZ_official how did Peter lose the right to be Pope?what heresy?

@@rayoski241 Read what I said properly. They were answers to two different questions, hence the 1) and 2).

Jimmy would never do that. These heretical grifters are more concerned with keeping the money flowing than honestly assessing the facts.

Yep. Sedevacantist and Catholics have more coherent positions. Lefebrism is inconsistent as hell

I, too, would love a debate between Akin or Trent Horn and a Dimond.

@@Jeronimo_de_Estridao what’s lefebivrsm?

@@Jeronimo_de_Estridao Right. It ultimately comes down to either accepting Vatican II in its entirety or rejecting it in its entirety (and therefore its hierarchs). The fence-sitting Lefebvrist position is nonsense.

Because he holds to the truth. God bless you.

Whis order is he in?

@@user-bl4lf9rg8m none, he is a sede

@@timothy1168 thank you. Are you on his side? I don't even understand half of what they're saying. I have only NO where I live, i didn't even knew that's the thing

@@user-bl4lf9rg8m I am not on his side. I a, simply saying he made the better argument, even though I vehemently disagree with it. Sede is short for sedevacantist, Latin for “the chair is empty”. They think all the popes from John XXIII to the current Pope Francis are all anti-popes, and hence they reject the NO and other things. Their position is a false one to take. The church must have a pope.

A RU-vidr by the name of rzapologist is also a sedevacantist catholic he rebukes and refutes the Vatican II and its anti popes , he also makes great videos on proving Christianity 🎉

That would mean throwing all the medieval, premodern, modern, and postmodern apostate AntiPopes, all the scholastics, all the hesychasts, and all the post-schism "prayers", "devotions", and other pagan superstitious practices out which I have no problem doing.

“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?

Even if Francis publicly declared that he believed in Islam, people would still try to defend him. It’s spiritual blindness at this point.

Absolutely!!

He did win in many respects, but (I say that though I profess their [the Dimonds'] theological positions generally speaking), in a debate on several crucial issues I'd win the debate against Brother Peter to the point of it being embarrassing. The fact is Peter Dimond/the Dimond brothers are to a significant extent operating on false assumptions that could have been easily refuted were those who know about such assumptions given the chance to confront the Dimonds in the public arena. It is simply a fact what the Post-Vatican II Church does to the Dimonds (use their [the Dimonds'] comparative secular obscurity to render their positions and mission as ineffectual as possible), the Dimonds themselves do to those who would and could overcome the Dimonds in the public arena [in some respects] given the chance. The Dimonds and [especially] their supporters, from my years long extensive personal experience, do this to others on a regular basis, it is their cup of tea. The Dimond brothers definitely cannot, among others, answer the following "Why haven't you explained, as did Frere Michel you yourselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, that the Third Secret of Fatima Sister Lucia described as corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13? Does it have anything to do with the fact the period of peace in said chapters/in said chain of events only occurs after the religious crumbling ends [and it definitely has not ended up to now]; thus rendering invalid your assertion the Triumph of Mary over Russia already occurred?" If you want a stick to beat the Dimonds with, this one question [among others] will do, because the only answer to that they have is to ignore the issue altogether. I have a whole video on the Frere Michel chapters 8 to 13 Third Secret data, it's on RU-vid and is called "The Scourge of the Dimond Brothers".

They both lost. Dimonds position amounted to Donatism and and Cassman couldn’t justify the contradictions in the Vatican.

@YP Poe congrats weirdo

@@joshf2218 What you are saying amounts to implying Paul Paul IV's decree Cum ex Apostolatus Officio was an unequivocal endorsement of Donatism; which it was not.

Another Nigerian? Doesn’t it feel like just about our whole continent is usually left out from so many of these discussions? And it also seems unfortunate that the faith came to us so late in the game, and that heretics were also spreading their ideas, worst of all being that Islam has such a strong grip on a lot of the continent below the Sahara.

@YP Poe But isn’t this all important information and truth that *all* mankind _must_ know and believe to be saved? Also, on the matter of exclusion, it feels like the Asian continent is in sort of a worse situation at times. So many countries under so many false religions or none at all (like India, China, etc) and the only even nominally Christian nation there is the Philippines… And that’s the most populated continent on Earth.

Maybe you are right. But the fact is Peter Dimond/the Dimond brothers are to a significant extent operating on false assumptions that could have been easily refuted were those who know about them given the chance to confront the Dimonds in the public arena. So it is simply a fact what the Post-Vatican II Church does to the Dimonds (use their [the Dimonds'] comparative secular obscurity to render their positions and mission as ineffectual as possible), the Dimonds themselves do to those who would and could overcome the Dimonds in the public arena given the chance. The Dimonds and [especially] their supporters, from my years long extensive personal experience, do this to others on a regular basis, it is their cup of tea. The Dimond brothers definitely cannot, among others, answer the following "Why haven't you explained, as did Frere Michel you yourselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, that the Third Secret of Fatima Sister Lucia described as corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13? Does it have anything to do with the fact the period of peace in said chapters/in said chain of events only occurs after the religious crumbling ends [and it definitely has not ended up to now]; thus rendering invalid your assertion the Triumph of Mary over Russia already occurred?" If you want a stick to beat the Dimonds with, this one question [among others] will do, because the only answer to that they have is to ignore the issue altogether. I have a whole video on the Frere Michel chapters 8 to 13 Third Secret data, it's on RU-vid and is called "The Scourge of the Dimond Brothers".

@@CatholicHusband I never said they are wrong on Francis being an antipope. Further, they are not merely potentially wrong about end times prophecy, they misrepresent the Third Secret of Fatima's content, it has dire consequences (as the importance of the Secret in itself suggests), besides that they and their supporters have their own theological problems, one of them being the heresy of Nicolaism. Brother Peter denied he is one of the Two Witnesses, but he not only is one of them, he is also destined to inccur the temporary espiritual death belonging to them, namely, the Nicolaitan heresy.

Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine. Jeremiah 51 7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad. Revelation 13 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Chapter 17 1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Revelation 18 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. Daniel 9 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

I pray that you still consider converting one day 😊

Convert Catholicism doesn't mean you should be an irrational pro-papacy. Being Catholic demands you keep reasoning on how to be closer to the Lord Jesus Christ.

“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?

Right let’s just not attend mass, never receive Holy Communion, never go to confession, that sounds removed from tradition if you ask me…

become SSPX

First, Peter Dimonds real name is Bobby. Second, he is not a real brother. Third, he denies the holocaust. Fourth, he spreads lies to defame people (I have proof). Dont follow this heretic. I have proof he is evil if you need it.

Oh how sad it is to see men who claim to be Catholic while proclaiming, against Our Lord's very promise (Mt 16:18), that the gates of Hell have prevailed against His Church.

@@Win5ton67not what that means , st Thomas aquinas says what it means and that is , the lying tongues of the heretics which is in the Vatican II

​@@Win5ton67 the Lord said he will never leave the church. But the Church leave our Lord when the High authorities in Vatican committed numerous heretical things.

@@JulreeDangngay-es6nm Have you been appointed by God to be a Judge of the Church or Her authorities?

Yes, I agree with you.

While he is generally right about muchnof what he says he is technically wrong about a lot. Watch Trent on his podcast refute much of it.

He's a heretic tho

@@sttlok How?

And how will this be accomplished?

What about RJMI who was once with them though?

@Conquering Death wrong. Being a traditional Catholic and holding the Sedevacantist position

@@collectiveconsciousness5314 he’s too scared to debate them.

@@sambrittenden4045 Debate? Why do that when they agree on the importance of Dogma in general but the only difference is in how far they apply it?

@@collectiveconsciousness5314 RJMI is a schismatic.

There is one argument he used that could have been crushed like doritos chips: The two witnesses bible characters are not strictly [or as the only possible/ sufficient correspondence] the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul; and the proof is Frere Michel the Dimonds themselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, explained according Sister Lucia the Third Secret of Fatima has to do with a chain of events corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13, and said chain of events begin at 1960 at the latest, not the early church. The apochrypha ancient text "Gospel of Nicodemus" talks about the Two Witnesses as Enoch and Elijah, and the latter two names were precisely the ones used by the Secret of La Salette message, a Secret to do with modern days events. And if you don't think the Dimonds can be quite out of their league when judging all sorts of things, think about the following: The Dimond brothers definitely cannot, among others, answer the following "Why haven't you explained, as did Frere Michel you yourselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, that the Third Secret of Fatima Sister Lucia described as corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13? Does it have anything to do with the fact the period of peace in said chapters/in said chain of events only occurs after the religious crumbling ends [and it definitely has not ended up to now]; thus rendering invalid your assertion the Triumph of Mary over Russia already occurred?" If you want a stick to beat the Dimonds with, this one question [among others] will do, because the only answer to that they have is to ignore the issue altogether. I have a whole video on the Frere Michel chapters 8 to 13 Third Secret data, it's on RU-vid and is called "The Scourge of the Dimond Brothers".

@@PedroHLima-ss7hy ultimately, that’s not a dogmatic issue, and it has nothing to do with the question of sedevacantism.

@@sambrittenden4045 It is a dogmatic issue and it is in fact connected to sedevacantism, because if the Dimonds are correct in saying the promised period of peace has already come and no further crumbling is to be expected, this means the Dimonds and their milieu are likely to remain traditionalist, whereas the Secret implies the crumbling/apostasy will get to them and their followers infallibly (which means the dogmatic issue will get to them in the form of their dogmatic corruption). So the Dimond position falsifies the Third Secret of Fatima. It also falsifies the Third Secret and muddles the issue of Sedevacantism insofar as, according to Malachi Martin, the Third Secret describes a sede vacante, a false facade secularized church ruled by an antipope and a legitimate pope eventually connected to an underground church. The Revelation passages connected to the Secret (Revelation 8 to 13 according to Sister Lucia), and in the context of Venerable Bartholomew Holzhauser's interpretation of these same chapters, indicates a new Pontiff will arise bearing the title of Ark of the Testament. The Dimond brothers told me personally this proposition is a satanic superstition meant to increase my punishment in hell. So if the Secret holds true in saying, according to Malachi Martin, a sign in the sky will reveal a power from on high that frightens the entire earth and speaks directly to people (and is connected qualitatively to the Ark of the Testament as he himself insinuates) the Dimonds will apparently simply say it is a satanic hoax or something of the kind, and this has to do with sedevacantism insofar as it has to do with an actual pope they apparently would reject. And by the way Fatima researcher used as a reputable source by the Dimonds, Frere Michel, described in detail how the heretical novelty of dogma not being convertible with belief in private revelation comes historically from Father Edouard Dhanis, s.j., the great insidious enemy and boycotter of Fatima. This thesis is also ultimately responsible for the Vatican II Council novelty of discipline without dogmatic connotation (something even Lefebvre noted was unheard of in all of Church history up to that point).

“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?

What are you talking about is purely Protestant brothe Diamond only Protestant speaks like that none of your catholic sounds to me absolutely sick

It's because he prays God plus strick study about science, history, philosophy and theology. He's a brother, everyone in the church it's requires knowledge seeking.

So call Brother this is why people like him we’re having trouble in the world catholic faith very normal absolutely nothing to it I am traditional catholic for 36 years I am so grateful to God gave me second chance Here’s tried to destroyed catholic faith I am sure he knows exactly what is doing

He won because nobody else allowed to speak ha ha He’s scared to hear the truth is Saul so Empty full of pride mortal sin

“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?

There is no such monk... the only "heavy-lifter" monks who have the courage to debate the truth publicly, are MHFM.

The Truth can not be refuted, which is why these false prophets always divert to trying to slander him

“Brother” Peter Diamond is not a brother, he has been sued multiple times, he uses comment bots on his popular videos, and he says to never attend mass, what kind of good tree yields such strange fruit?

What about Peter debating Ralph Martin this would bring great clarity .

There is no one in the world that will debate Bro. Peter and refute his position. The truth can't be refuted. Sedevacantism is the position of the Church of Christ today. That's not against any infallible teaching.

No, he is not well-versed.

@@filipradosa6062 rubbish🙃

@@catholic9694 you are the one who is talking rubbish. His treatment of scripture is very poor - when he is not actually making up his own interpretation, doing away with the entire witness (bar one voice) of Sacred Tradition. Just then he showed that he cannot be taken seriously (even if he goes on quoting Bellarmine).

@@JohnCampbell5650 your nose just became a tree

Brother Peter is well-versed in many points he makes, but let it not deceive you as to the fact, contrary to some of Brother Peter's arguments in the debate, the following could be said: The two witnesses bible characters are not strictly [or as the only possible/ sufficient correspondence] the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul; and the proof is Frere Michel the Dimonds themselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, explained according Sister Lucia the Third Secret of Fatima has to do with a chain of events corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13, and said chain of events begin at 1960 at the latest, not the early church. The apochrypha ancient text "Gospel of Nicodemus" talks about the Two Witnesses as Enoch and Elijah, and the latter two names were precisely the ones used by the Secret of La Salette message, a Secret to do with modern days events. And if you don't think the Dimonds can be quite out of their league when judging all sorts of things, think about the following: The Dimond brothers definitely cannot, among others, answer the following "Why haven't you explained, as did Frere Michel you yourselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, that the Third Secret of Fatima Sister Lucia described as corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13? Does it have anything to do with the fact the period of peace in said chapters/in said chain of events only occurs after the religious crumbling ends [and it definitely has not ended up to now]; thus rendering invalid your assertion the Triumph of Mary over Russia already occurred?" If you want a stick to beat the Dimonds with, this one question [among others] will do, because the only answer to that they have is to ignore the issue altogether. I have a whole video on the Frere Michel chapters 8 to 13 Third Secret data, it's on RU-vid and is called "The Scourge of the Dimond Brothers".

Brother Dimond has many debates posted on his youtube channel

Luther was very sharp too! Except he was a heretic. "Brother" Dimond might be very sharp, but he's still spewing out heresy.

A RU-vidr by the name of rzapologist is also a sedevacantist catholic he rebukes and refutes the Vatican II and its anti popes , he also makes great videos on proving Christianity

Encouraging Catholics to stop going to Mass and receiving the Eucharist is not an honorable thing to do, it’s an evil thing to do.

​​@@Win5ton67 Luther was not sharp, was really ridiculous. Moreover antipope Francis praises Luther.

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZDAd7Q1mZYg.html

@@davidcatabui2018 Unless you can prove what you assert, you should remain silent. I know the Dimond brothers have a dubious history, are perhaps not validly consecrated as Benedictines and are Feenyites. I have been following them off and on for over a decade. Some of the points the Dimonds make about fake traditionalists like Michael Matt, John Salza and the late Mother Angelica are sadly, true. It is best not to underestimate the Dimonds' intelligence whereas that of neo-Catholics like Fradd are mediocre, at best.

Br Peter Diamond it’s not even catholic nothing is it infiltrator Catholics don’t speak like that don’t fall yourself

Brother Peter is not even catholic he’s a heretic Catholics Don’t speak like that

​@@BJ-cb6di Like what ?

"Free Speech" isn't a Catholic Virtue. There's a reason certain ideas/books were banned. Bad ideas spread like wildfire, and can damn many souls. I mean just look at Martin Luther!

I agree

You shouldn't call sedevacantists Catholic

@@stlouisix3 convert to Christianity?

Hello @Claudio Tarabocchia. Is not about sympathizing with anybody or not, overall the debate shows how things have deteriorated so bad in The Church. The level of faithlessness on the part of souls who have been given the light of the Faith to be Soldiers of Christ is so scary. Until we put the commandments of our Sovereign God into practice, would we know healing in the Mystical Body of Christ that is so wounded.

I noticed that as well.

A RU-vidr by the name of rzapologist is also a sedevacantist catholic he rebukes and refutes the Vatican II and its anti popes , he also makes great videos on proving Christianity

That's like saying Tyson vs Givens was a great fight.

Beware of sedevacantism, since it is an impass. The bishops constitute the hierarchy of the Church. To cut oneself off from them, as the sedevacantists do, has already been condemned by Leo XII and Leo XIII. These popes were targeting a group whose members denied the legitimacy of Pope Pius VII: like the sedevacantists. Leo XII, Pastoris Aeterni: “Your Little Church cannot therefore in any way belong to the Catholic Church. By the very admission of your masters, or rather of those who deceive you, there are no longer any French bishops who support and defend the party you follow. Moreover, all the bishops of the Catholic Universe, to whom they themselves have appealed, and to whom they have addressed their schismatic claims in print, are recognized as approving the conventions of Pius VII and the acts which followed, and the whole Catholic Church is now entirely favorable to them.” Leo XIII, Eximia nos laetitia: “Absolutely no bishop considers them and governs them as his sheep. From this they must conclude with certainty and evidence that they are defectors from the fold of Christ. Now, just as the Little Church had no bishop who recognized them, so the sedevacantists had no bishop who recognized them, all of whom recognized the Council in 1964 and 1965. So, we must obey it, and you should check out the videos I share on my account, these videos are translated in English and could be very helpful for you.

@@fidefidelis4912 I guess they (sedevacantists) will now have to refer to Leo XII and XIII as 'antipopes' or 'so called popes' or 'Fathers of the Vatican II church' or the likes.

You are welcome to contact vaticancatholic and they will respond with any questions you have!

@@julianj8609 Which bishop recognizes you as Catholic ?

@@fidefidelis4912 Bishop Guerard des Lauriers, Bishop Carmona, Archbishop Thuc etc.

Amen

Yes, and convert them to the true faith!

Approved Apparition Our Lady of LaSalette said Rome would become the Seat of the AntiChrist and that the Church would be in eclipse. they changed the words of consecration for the wine which is why the harlot of Babylon is always associated with wine. Jeremiah 51 7 Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD'S hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad. Revelation 13 8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Chapter 17 1And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Revelation 18 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. Daniel 9 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

@@sleepystar1638 okay you don’t use private revelation as your guide. Everyone is in agreement on that so don’t leave the church over that. I read an article on the words of consecration thing not too long ago and tbh forgot what it said but I remember being convinced that the change wasn’t universal or something but honestly I forget. Secondly, you are using An age old Protestant argument from end times speculation putting your trust in your own reasoning rather than the church. Third, go to Matthew 18:15-17. What do we do if in your sect, we have a disagreement like we have now? You can’t do anything about it because you don’t have actually have a church and a principle of unity. In fact, not only do you not have it but you don’t actually even have the potential to have a new pope. The true church must retain all of its properties untouched until the end of time. St. Francis de Sales used this same argument against Protestants and coined it the invincible argument because it’s inescapable for the heretics. The only church that fits that description is the Roman Catholic Church with the Pope and Magisterium which your system has gotten rid of. My friend, don’t go down this road of trusting your own reason. Our Lord would never leave us orphan like that. Instead, with great confidence, submit yourself to him with childlike abandonment. He loves you greatly.

@@mattphelan1252 yeah except when its approved by the church, lol please by all means if you think francis is pope follow him straight to hell. Luke 18 8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? so yeah when Jesus comes back there will be such little faith that it would be unrecognizable. Jeremiah 51 23 I will also break in pieces with thee the shepherd and his flock; and with thee will I break in pieces the husbandman and his yoke of oxen; and with thee will I break in pieces captains and rulers. 53Though Babylon should mount up to heaven, and though she should fortify the height of her strength, yet from me shall spoilers come unto her, saith the LORD. 63And it shall be, when thou hast made an end of reading this book, that thou shalt bind a stone to it, and cast it into the midst of Euphrates How about the Code of Canon Law Can. 194 §1. The following are removed from an ecclesiastical office by the law itself: 1/ a person who has lost the clerical state; 2/ a person who has publicly defected from the Catholic faith or from the communion of the Church; 3/ a cleric who has attempted marriage even if only civilly. Can. 750 §1. A person must believe with divine and Catholic faith all those things contained in the word of God, written or handed on, that is, in the one deposit of faith entrusted to the Church, and at the same time proposed as divinely revealed either by the solemn magisterium of the Church or by its ordinary and universal magisterium which is manifested by the common adherence of the Christian faithful under the leadership of the sacred magisterium; therefore all are bound to avoid any doctrines whatsoever contrary to them. §2. Each and every thing which is proposed definitively by the magisterium of the Church concerning the doctrine of faith and morals, that is, each and every thing which is required to safeguard reverently and to expound faithfully the same deposit of faith, is also to be firm-ly embraced and retained; therefore, one who rejects those propositions which are to be held definitively is opposed to the doctrine of the Catholic Church. Can. 751 Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith; apostasy is the total repudiation of the Christian faith; schism is the refusal of submission to the Supreme Pontiff or of communion with the members of the Church subject to him. Can. 1364 §1. Without prejudice to the prescript of can. 194, §1, n. 2, an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication; in addition, a cleric can be punished with the penalties mentioned in can. 1336, §1, nn. 1, 2, and 3. §2. If contumacy of long duration or the gravity of scandal demands it, other penalties can be added, including dismissal from the clerical state. being a heretic automatically puts you outside of the Church, so i dont believe a words heretics say. so i dont believe a words bergoglio says, if you want him as you leader please go right ahead.

Looks like nobody has the balls to debate Br. Peter Dimond. Are we witnessing an undisputable scholar?

​@@user-kb4dv1ud3fI totally respect Cassman for debating Brother, he accepted and also accepted defeat. These type of Christian debates should occur.

Especially considering that their channel has been condemned by the MHFM before.

Maybe you are right. But the fact is the Dimond brothers are to a significant extent operating on false assumptions that could have been easily refuted were those who know about them given the chance to confront the Dimonds in the public arena. So it is simply a fact what the Post-Vatican II Church does to the Dimonds (use their [the Dimonds'] comparative secular obscurity to render their positions and mission as ineffectual as possible], the Dimonds themselves do to those who would and could overcome the Dimonds in the public arena given the chance. The Dimonds and their supporters, from my years and extensive personal experience, do this to others on a regular basis, it is their cup of tea. The Dimond brothers definitely cannot, among others, answer the following "Why haven't you explained, as did Frere Michel you yourselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, that the Third Secret of Fatima Sister Lucia described as corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13? Does it have anything to do with the fact the period of peace in said chapters/in said chain of events only occurs after the religious crumbling ends [and it definitely has not ended up to now]; thus rendering invalid your assertion the Triumph of Mary over Russia already occurred?" If you want a stick to beat the Dimonds with, this one question will do, because the only answer to that they have is to ignore the issue altogether. I have a whole video on the Frere Michel chapters 8 to 13 Third Secret data, it's on RU-vid and is called "The Scourge of the Dimond Brothers".

@@collectiveconsciousness5314 I would not say the channel was condemned by MHFM. Some declarations by some invited people to the channel were condemned when it deserve condemnation, as example when interviewing a "monk" who say the church offers the ordinary means of salvation, implying there are other ways external to the church, to be saved. But the channel is just a plattform

@@PedroHLima-ss7hy what do all that have to do with the debate subject?¡

@@josedanielcabrerapena3371 A person familiar with the status quaestionis (history of the discussions) of the Third Secret of Fatima wouldn't ask this question in way of trying to suggest the lack of credibility of another, because the Third Secret predicts a sede vacante and the extent to which it would cause a waning and eventual total collapse of the nominal facade secularized church substituting the real one in the mainstream arena. The Third Secret of Fatima has everything to do with this debate. But Dimond brothers supporters such as you hate (usually) with all the fiber of their being each and every attempt to discuss things that go outside the pale of their ordinary familiar language. The hatred against the truth inspiring the blatant out of control heretical Nicolaitan heresy in the Dimond milieu can drive anyone crazy. P.S.: It does discredit me insofar as you don't confirm a stereotype with plenty of confirmed specimens. For instance, a MHFM supporter dismissed the idea a lot can be inferred about the 3rd Secret not with argument, but simply by claiming "no one knows its content" with a disgusted tone of disbelief. This happened in this very comments section. And it is typical. There is much about the Third Secret content that can be known and be relied on based on ancillary sources despite the fact the one page sheet has not been released. To give two (among many) examples: Sister Lucia said to a reputable historian's source the 3rd Secret corresponds to Revelation chapters 8 to 13. Well, what do you know, Venerable Bartholomew Holzhauser (17th century repitable mystic/priest and miracle worker) talked about the supernatural insights he got concerning some of these very chapters. Ditto for Blessed Anna Maria Taigi, whose Three Days of Darkness prophecy is really Revelation chapters 8 to 11 three trumpets woes (long story short). If you try to explain that to most Dimond Brothers supporters and or the Dimonds themselves chances are they are going to call you Satan. It is quite unlikely they'll sit through a lengthy explanation on this matter and say "Walk me through it". It would be unthinkable. They are just like that. I'll leave a quote about what is in the real 3rd Secret, from a Malachi Martin interview: Bernard Janzen: But, humanly speaking, could there be one person that would come and restore it. I don't think it's possible. Malachi Martin: No. It must be Our Lady. It must be a supernatural thing, and she has... isn't it [true], Bernard, let's be awfully frank; even if people don't want to accept it; we know the agenda, we know the agenda very clearly. We're going to go on slipping down the slope. We're [(it's) a big thing, it's a long slope], we're very near the edge of that chasm over which we finally topple. And we're going to topple over it; and there's going to be chaos; what they call nowadays ordered chaos. Chaos under control. And there are going to be natural calamities, as well as man-made calamities. Mistakes made by people. And finally there are going to be calamities that come upon us from the hand of God. And people will say "My God! This is not caused by nature, this is something else!" And at the end of all that Our Lady will come and there will be a sign in the heavens, meaning she has come. And everybody will see that sign.They will know it. They will know it calls them to their conscience. It doesn' mean they are going to be converted.It means that those who are already converted will get better; it means that those who are wobbling may if they want to be confirmed in their faith; it means that the others who don't believe and refuse to believe will say "We can despair. There's no way out". It's simply God putting people on notice that things have changed. Bernard: "But it is also Christ saying "I give you one more chance". Martin: Yeah. It's [gagueja e repete-se com apreensão] God saying, uh, there is a refurbishment going to take place. I will have uh an apostle in charge of you now who is going to be an apostle who'd have the power to change things; because he must give the power. And know, John Paul II, that poor man, Karol Woityla, he hasn't be given by God the power to change things. But there will be a pope, a leader of Christianity, arising, who will change it all; because he would have the power built into him. John Paul II is supposed to preside over the decadence and the failure, and hold things together as long as possible; because there are people to be saved still. But the man who will do it is somebody after his death. Not the next pope, but somebody else. And that's the mystery of what is coming in the future. All that we can hold on to is the fact that...

Have fun not receiving any of the sacraments!

@@grosty2353 Receiving any sacraments under the false V2 church, except baptism is sacrilege.

@@Flagrum3 just Baptism and Matrimony which are Valid under Vatican II.

@@Flagrum3 you cannot prove this claim.

@@Consume_Crash Sure I can. Try reading how Antipope Paul VI changed the liturgy, the wording for consecrations, ordinations etc., along with other things such as the mass, which puts them all in question, if not make them null and void. Plus the V2 church is NOT the Catholic Church but an imposter church which opposes all traditional church dogmas, making it an apostate church. It is a grave sin to have any part in the V2 cult.

I agree with you, that was the easiest softball question and it was astonishing that Mr. Cassmen could not affirmatively respond. Regardless if he were to answer in the affirmative or the negative, he couldn't say. Anyone who supports the Moloch ritual IS NOT Catholic by their own words and actions.

Bro the teaching on this topic is that after the first tgree sacraments you are Catholic whether you like it or not. This means that Biden is Catholic. He may be severely out of communion and spreading heresy and even heathen ideas but he remains a Catholic until he dies

Biden has the legal definition of Catholic . That doesn’t mean he is a good Catholic., You guys are making up your own rules .

He didn’t say Biden was or wasn’t. He deferred the authority to his Bishop. What I wish is that Pope Francis would reign in some of these errant Bishops.

@@RumorHazi I know. The fact that he wouldn't just say that he isn't is itself problematic. You don't need an authority to tell you that a public pro abort and pro sodomite is outside the Church.

I am, despite never ever thinking of being a Sede and fleeing the flock because of the wolves.

@@jlouis4407 the post V2 “church” is a false flock led by false shepherds because it doesn’t profess the true faith.

@@JMN40 Sedes have a fairytale view of history that has never existed, we have had horrible Popes and heresies. Vatican II is NOT an infallible council and can never be considered to be. It does not have canons and anathemas, that’s what infallible pronouncements are not long rambling documents.

@@JMN40 there is no church of sedevacantism. sedes cannot be called a church. they have no ability to have unity. there is no ecclesiology. they are a loose group of individuals who pretend they have the true faith much like any other non denominational protestant group or frankly any other schismatic group. but they arent connected to the church

The road to hell is paved with zeal.

If he answered “Yes” he would have lost anyway.

The bishops constitute the hierarchy of the Church. To cut oneself off from them, as the sedevacantists do, has already been condemned by Leo XII and Leo XIII. These popes were targeting a group whose members denied the legitimacy of Pope Pius VII: like the sedevacantists. Leo XII, Pastoris Aeterni: “Your Little Church cannot therefore in any way belong to the Catholic Church. By the very admission of your masters, or rather of those who deceive you, there are no longer any French bishops who support and defend the party you follow. Moreover, all the bishops of the Catholic Universe, to whom they themselves have appealed, and to whom they have addressed their schismatic claims in print, are recognized as approving the conventions of Pius VII and the acts which followed, and the whole Catholic Church is now entirely favorable to them.” Leo XIII, Eximia nos laetitia: “Absolutely no bishop considers them and governs them as his sheep. From this they must conclude with certainty and evidence that they are defectors from the fold of Christ. Now, just as the Little Church had no bishop who recognized them, so the sedevacantists had no bishop who recognized them, all of whom recognized the Council in 1964 and 1965.

You mean the same apostate AntiPope "Pius VII" who betrayed his French subjects via the ConCordat in 1801 and 1802 and "allowed" the "heliocentrism" heresy to be published in 1820 and 1822 and the same apostate AntiPope "Leo XIII" who "approved" the world parliament of pseudoreligions in Chicago in 1893?

@@fidefidelis4912 Wrong. The Bishops of the Vatican II FALSE church are all apostates as they are in and follow the Vatican II sect, which is NOT the Catholic church. Therefore they are to be denied any authority, and no one should follow them, lest you be condemned in heresy. Wake up.

If you are not a sedevacantist, even after the heresies of the antipopes of Vatican II, among other things, you are a heretic. You need to agree with sedevacantism. There is absolutely proof enough to it, and you can't deny this.

1. No, it is heretical 2. There is a reason why they were declared antipopes 3. Vatican II is wrong, no you do not need authority to see that certain teachings contradict previous teachings, if someone contradicts himself in an argument, do you need authority to see that contradiction

Stay Grounded. Believing that Pope Francis is the Pope or not is not going to help your salvation, rather stay faithful to the Christ and his Church. Receive he sacraments stay in the state of Grace, read the Bible, read Baltimore Catechism and become a Saint!

@@Edwincatholitread Vatican 1. You are spreading heresy. You must submit to the authority of the pope.

@@kowlooncity How is he not submitting to the Pope? Hyperpapalism is not Catholic.

@@jlouis4407 read Vatican 1 and get back to me.

@@stlouisix3 You say they are false shephards in the context of these post-conciliar clergymen adhering to outward empty signs instead of the substance of the faith. But when you say that you condemn yourselve out of your own mouth, as far as the usually MHFM supporter stereotype is concerned. It is simply a fact what the Post-Vatican II Church does to the Dimonds (use their [the Dimonds'] comparative secular obscurity to render their positions and mission as ineffectual as possible), the Dimonds themselves do to those who would and could overcome the Dimonds in the public arena [in some respects] given the chance. The Dimonds and [especially] their supporters [you being one of them], from my years long extensive personal experience, do this to others on a regular basis, it is their cup of tea. What you care about is what is conventional and familiar, the real substance of a discussion, regardless of mere appearance [when it is necessary to disregard them], you guys typically ignore. The proof is that the two following points would be by all typical MHFM supporters I know, disregarded and ignored with contempt without any or all argumentation, serious examination (least of all with one conceding any point's merit or need to be addressed). Arguments do not matter: one speaks outside of the conventional language, one is profane [that is the apparent MHFM position or at least premise]: contrary to Brother Peter's arguments in the debate the following could be said: The two witnesses bible characters are not strictly [or as the only possible/ sufficient correspondence] the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul; and the proof is Frere Michel the Dimonds themselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, explained according Sister Lucia the Third Secret of Fatima has to do with a chain of events corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13, and said chain of events begin at 1960 at the latest, not the early church. The apochrypha ancient text "Gospel of Nicodemus" talks about the Two Witnesses as Enoch and Elijah, and the latter two names were precisely the ones used by the Secret of La Salette message, a Secret to do with modern days events. And if you don't think the Dimonds can be quite out of their league when judging all sorts of things, think about the following: The Dimond brothers definitely cannot, among others, answer the following "Why haven't you explained, as did Frere Michel you yourselves acknowledge as a reputable Fatima researcher, that the Third Secret of Fatima Sister Lucia described as corresponding to Revelation chapters 8 to 13? Does it have anything to do with the fact the period of peace in said chapters/in said chain of events only occurs after the religious crumbling ends [and it definitely has not ended up to now]; thus rendering invalid your assertion the Triumph of Mary over Russia already occurred?" If you want a stick to beat the Dimonds with, this one question [among others] will do, because the only answer to that they have is to ignore the issue altogether. I have a whole video on the Frere Michel chapters 8 to 13 Third Secret data, it's on RU-vid and is called "The Scourge of the Dimond Brothers". By ignoring the entirety of the argument and the need to examine it carefully, as I suspect [from experience is what you'll do], you shall prove my point. Quod erat demonstradum.

These End Times, are exemplified by, demonic brainwashing, gaslighting, predictive programming and of course, false teaching. See: Advertising, the entertainment industry, corruption of the education system, govt propaganda, corporate media etc.. Jeff Cassman is "... a predictive behavioral modeling expert for an ad agency in Nashville, TN." Is it any wonder that Cassman is still an advocate for the VAT II Sect? A sect that has from it's beginning sought to change/destroy/corrupt the true Catholic faith. ( Masonic-Communist infiltration extensively documented). Cassman also has an invested interest regarding his organization "co-founder of Catholic Men of America, our country’s only national professional business fraternity for Catholic men." Just as others who would have much to lose, in a secular sense regarding reputation, standing, material wealth, career (i.e. Taylor Marshal etc..). When a person has their career (including psuedo-clergy, -bishops, -cardinals, -nuns, Vat-II websites, authors, etc) tied to the Novus Ordo anti-church, they become willing victims forced to embrace their own cognitive dissonance.

Gonna download it and back it up lol

Same as all the sophists who defend the demonic deiciders.

You are listening to all the WRONG sources. All the men you mention have a PECUNIARY interest in perpetuating and profiting from your ignorance. I was converted by praying the Rosary into the Novus Ordo. I also read the Church Doctors, early Church fathers and the encyclicals of pre-Vatican II popes. I knew there was something wrong but it took a few years to understand why. All popes since John XXIII are Modernist, heretics. The "apotheosis of Modernism" is now the apostate: Bergolio. I suggest you listen to the late Fr. Gregory Hesse, Malachi Martin and Nicholas Gruner, all faithful, Marian priests. Priests who tell the truth today are: Fr. Isaac Mary Relyea and Fr. Michael Rodriquez (not the fake prophet). I refer you to PRIESTS, not myself, nor to Internet hucksters and "experts."