See it all in Sierra Nevada - Best Motorcycle ride in Spain?

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Sierra Nevada - Is this the Best Motorcycle ride in Spain? Our Motorcycle Camping Tour of Spain has led us here on a Trip through the sierra Nevada National Park. A Place where you can see it all! Today we Ride our Africa Twin through the Deserts of Spain, Mountains of Spain and some of the most Scenic Roads we have yet to see on this Tour. When it comes to motorcycle Travel this place is a must see when overlanding on your Motorbike in Europe...
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@batotofhell 4 месяца назад

Fantastic video! Hope everyone who watches subscribed, You put so much work in to these videos we can all see it

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Thank you so much, We appreciate all of you so much! We love to bring these videos to you...

@TheNickjeffree71 4 месяца назад

Cracking day guys! Hope tomorrow is just as good!! 😊

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Thanks so much! Bit of a rollercoaster this moto camping lark

@karenwiltshire4311 4 месяца назад

Another great video and wonderful scenery loving following your adventures

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

So beautiful around here, a joy to ride and share with you all

@rlw85 4 месяца назад

Some cracking looking roads

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Some of the best in Spain 🇪🇸

@rlw85 4 месяца назад

@@ontheroadadventure I’d like to do the picos one day

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

@@rlw85 hope you get better weather than we did!

@LESROSSITER 4 месяца назад

Really think that lovely break by the beach has done u both the world of good u both look so relaxed and happy you’re really enjoying the roads and views you’re doing great guys stay safe as always enjoy cheers Les 🤗🤗

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Thanks Les, yes a couple easy days to recharge was well needed, full of enthusiasm again now

@ditismatador1 4 месяца назад

Bedankt

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Thank you so much for your support to us and the channel! You are amazing!

@GeoffreyDunne 4 месяца назад

It finally happened! With no prompting, Rich admitted he's actually getting to enjoy this motocamping malarkey. Cheers

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

I think the sun has got to my head!! In fairness we are really enjoying it when it’s not bitter cold that is…

@alanread136 4 месяца назад

Keep them coming guys loving it, no such thing as posh your money as good as anyone's else's 👍

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Ok let’s rephrase then… we too poor 🤣 Ir we just prioritise putting money in the petrol tank and not their till!

@PieterSwart-il8ew 4 месяца назад

The viewpoint at the top is beautiful... The snow on top of the mountains, breath taking bet that it was getting cold on that part of the ride. The drone shot of the snow really made it, it as even if I'm there with you guys. Bet just the feeling to experience it in person is feeling that one cant capture in words even if one tries to. The town from the drone view looks very small guess if there is a 500 people in it, it would be a lot. The espresso's bit on the small side, but i guess it had at least a kick to it. Thank you for the editing of the video even if it is late really appreciate all the effort that you put in your videos really making it worthwhile to watch and around every corner a new adventure begins.

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Thanks so much, we love to find the smaller towns and villages, always more interesting than the big cities for us. We do love a strong coffee or two! Thanks for taking the time to comment and chat with us 😃

@BlackThor15 4 месяца назад

What an awesome video! Thanks for sharing such amazing trip, you two rock! 👍👍

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Glad your enjoying the moto camping series with us 👍⛺️

@mikethebikemt07tracer 4 месяца назад

I am watching this with serious envy of the great time you guys are enjoying. I watched it late due to me and 3 mates getting back to Devon from a few days in Buxton yesterday, It rained most of the time we were there with a lot of low cloud so great views were scarce. Keep happy Rich as it makes better viewing. I had the best laugh this week about the coffee cups, keep it up. Mike.

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Hi Mike, If only we had the spainish weather in the uk, The Rain is Ruthless! Glad your enjoying the videos, Loving the Positive Vibes and sunshine here....

@davidsampson3537 4 месяца назад

Looks amazing great video guys.

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Thanks David, This was quite unexpected, most of what we saw was actually due to a huge diversion... What a gift it turned out to be. It blows our mind to think that in this month tour we do not see a tiny portion of what this planet has to offer... So much to see..... We just want to ride on and on

@steverussell9340 4 месяца назад

It’s cold and wet here in the U.K.! AND it’s nearly June. Rich….. “ it’s showing 32 degrees “.

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Another wash out summer for the uk? Very disappointing 😞

@jeffatkinson690 4 месяца назад

Hey you two, I am enjoying your trip, each day something new. We have flocks of Green ring neck parakeets in Liverpool, They have been here since the late 60s.

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Wow, how did they get there? Whats the go to places for us to visit in liverpool for the bike scene? Any cool shops or biker cafes etc?

@irideforlife 4 месяца назад

No more grump rich. Felt the same in morocco. And when we did the pyranees so fair play to you. Good video series!

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Funny what sunshine can do for the mood isn’t it! In fairness I’m usually happy when I’m moaning too lol,

@SteveM109r 4 месяца назад

I moved from London to southern Spain 12 years ago, and it’s the best decision I ever made. The roads in Andalusia have amazing views. Great video. Subscribed.

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Thanks Steve, You didnt have any issues from brexit then?

@SteveM109r 4 месяца назад

@@ontheroadadventure I moved in 2012, long before the fun of brexit, and as I had my Spanish documents in place before 2016, I’m all good. I have a UK passport, and Spanish residencia. I also work in Gibraltar so need my passport and proof of residency, just to go to work. But for all the hassle that brexit brought, and is still being to some of people, it’s still the best move ever. And the riding, well you have seen for yourself. This area is motorcyclists dream. Just a shame work gets in the way of riding !

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

You got out just in time! It’s like they created a cage to keep us in this sinking ship

@SteveM109r 4 месяца назад

@@ontheroadadventure I have to agree. The UK has certainly changed a lot since I left, and certainly not for the better !

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Not good 😞

@kelvinharrison6702 4 месяца назад

Brilliant vid.great ride and views amazing weather.look forward to the nxt one.ride save guys.🤜🤛👍🏍

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Sunshine and scenery - what more can we ask for as bikers...

@neilwilliams9844 4 месяца назад

That place looks awesome,glad your enjoying the camping beats that old moldy yurt you hired out for Ewa’s birthday surprise,I sometimes go back & watch that again just to see your face, 👍😁. Great series guys glad your both enjoying it, I’m off to “ No bull just beer & bikes” festival in mid wales after my last 12 hour shift tonight. All the best both.👏✊🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿KTF.

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

That yurt video won’t be forgotten by any of us for a very long time!! Much better to sleep in your own kit. Enjoy the festival I bet that’s a laugh

@victorkent768 4 месяца назад

Now that was a good riding. Hope your ok tomorrow, or should you have a chill day... You need longer. Loe the vlogs

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Most excellent day 😃

@alanalan3290 4 месяца назад

Yet another cracking video and really enjoy following your journey, warts and all and I find both of you so funny with the things you say to each other. Top three videos I follow on youtube, yourselves, Itchy Boots and LNR Moto and your all different in different ways

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

thank you so much, We always promise you all the whole story, the good bad and ugly. Speaking of which, poor Itchy boots, we felt so sorry for her watching her video this evening. Awful thing to happen especially so close to finishing her tour, although there is never a good time to crash

@dcijams 4 месяца назад

(1:03) the term is seasoned

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Cheers!

@colin7632 4 месяца назад

Class! I think the espresso cups and the ash trays are both free in Spain 🤪🤪🤪

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

It must be all inclusive at this place

@alanchard3669 3 месяца назад

Bloody hell guys, there's a memory for sure. Thankfully yr bikes and tent are all good. Anything to get a free cabin Lol. Video's are spot on, we all know they take time and effort so thanks for putting them together. Ride safe.

@ontheroadadventure 3 месяца назад

Thanks so much Alan, everything worked out as it’s meant to be as Ewa would say. We love making the videos and sharing our adventures with people we had no idea it would be so popular ⛺️

@allanmason7544 4 месяца назад

brill vid both thank you

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Cheers Allan 👍👍

@geofftoscano6804 4 месяца назад

People think of Spain as just beaches and sun but it’s also the third most mountainous country in Europe (after Switzerland and, surprisingly, Norway). Hence why it’s so popular with bikers…and cyclists, of whom you will have seen many! I actually did a cycle holiday, my first ever abroad , last month based in Denia near Alicante, and the hills were challenging to say the least! I’m trying to watch for place names as you go along because you do seem to have a knack for finding roads I’m not familiar with!

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Yes we always want to try and find the small places or places less travelled, we not interested in busy places or tourist spots if we can avoid it

@brighton1950 4 месяца назад

Great video again....if you enjoy the sun you gotta come to California. Now I can't wait for the next one. Stay safe.Cheers bro

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

We would love that! That would be a costly trip though

@brighton1950 4 месяца назад

@@ontheroadadventure yes it would but well worth it.

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

@@brighton1950 I’m sure we will get over there one day in the future

@bryangrange3880 4 месяца назад

Keep them coming just loving watching them in the uk rain, very envious 👍❤

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Glad you like them! It cant rain forever in England ...... Can it?!

@bryangrange3880 4 месяца назад

@@ontheroadadventure typical English summer 😂 Enjoy the sunshine and keep the videos coming 👍 P/s Are you going to bike festival south west in July 5th to8th 🤔

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

We are not sure, it’s hard to commit to something like that when we travel as much as we do. If we are home and free we may well be there

@lasserichardt2260 4 месяца назад

Fantastic and I love to follow your travel around spain - if you go to the east coast try to visit a little town Xabia it is a lovely place

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Thanks for joining us! We could spend months here in Spain so much to see!

@davesnout 4 месяца назад

Really got caught up in your videos guys. Loving the chat. Hoping to make my way down there later this year.

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Sounds great, Get the ferry booked and then you will make it happen no matter what

@raygods123 4 месяца назад

Great video you pair . You never cease to put a smile on my face, keep em coming can’t wait for the next one. Shame you’re not here for the last Bideford bike show but I think it might be better over there .

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Such a shame the Bideford Bike show has to come to a end. We did a video there last year

@raygods123 4 месяца назад

Yeah I’ve watched it think I’m up to date on all your videos now

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Plenty more on the way to you... Ride safe bud

@barrywaples8150 4 месяца назад

Roc the croc😉

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Yes! Crocs Rock! A months travels and now we cant imaging life without the Crocs!

@josemanuele.m7282 4 месяца назад

Me gusta veros,haceis muy buena pareja, ir a Córdoba y a Jaén para conocer la Andalucía profunda. Y después a toledo. Un saludo motero 👍

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

muchas gracias tienes un hermoso pais

@josemanuele.m7282 4 месяца назад

@@ontheroadadventure gracias a vosotros por compartir vuestras experiencias y mostrar al mundo mi país que es el vuestro. Gracias por contestarme en español 🙂 Buen viaje

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Esperamos volver pronto, por ahora tenemos muchos más episodios aquí y hemos creado recuerdos para toda la vida que aún no has visto...

@martinka3788 4 месяца назад

Haha.. I traveled from Alicante to Malaga on the bus and at night. I didn’t know what pretty views I missed 😲😬

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

A Travellers golden rule is never travel at night for this very reason! Live and learn...

@martinka3788 4 месяца назад

Except for when the bus ride is cheaper than a hotel for the night 😅

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

That is smart thinking!

@user-of1gd9vz8t 4 месяца назад

Another awesome video👏👏👏been there in Tabernas last summer, fantastic place, there’s a unique restaurant/bar nearby hope you find it. Keep going you are one of my favorite channels on RU-vid.Cheers from Portugal ( José )

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

I think we know the one you mean, with the American cars etc?

@user-of1gd9vz8t 4 месяца назад

Yes that one, had live music when I was there

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

It will be in one of the upcoming episodes 👍

@andrewdyson4255 4 месяца назад

Get the cups on E Bay 🤣🤣🤣

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Yes, then buy more coffee..... Steal those cups and repeat!

@GreyBiker99 4 месяца назад

Your videos just keep getting better. I don't know about you, but I don't want your trip to end! Btw, I hope you did keep those espresso cups 😆

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Thanks so much, we will be gutted when this series of videos comes to an end… But I promise you our content will not

@Bighitter786 4 месяца назад

It's beautiful around there, I was there approximately 3 weeks ago. met you on the ferry back!!

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Great to meet you! Have you joined the Facebook group? Search On the road adventure riders group and share photos and stories etc there with us all.

@Bighitter786 4 месяца назад

@@ontheroadadventure WIll do.

@Bighitter786 4 месяца назад

They did not let me fly my drone near the Skyslop location!!!

@Bighitter786 4 месяца назад

Your vlogs are great!!

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Better to ask forgiveness than permission

@Hinckley_Biker 4 месяца назад

Yes we do miss your moaning Rich, but for all the right reasons! 😉I guess you'll make up for it back in the rainy UK! Awesome video, stunning vistas, best entertainment on RU-vid!

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Im English.... I do like to have a good moan! But in a funny sort of way.... I guess it amuses me more than others.

@s.crambling3795 4 месяца назад

😂😂 That look you give your wife when she offers her food while eyeing up yours!!! We've all been there. Looked bliss that campsite and amazing road. Jealous yet again!!

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

LOL yes i know her game! she knows i dont want to try her Avocado Sammich..... And she knows she really should have ordered bacon lol

@paulwrixon5843 4 месяца назад

Weather definitely looks better than back here in Bristol lol The very last Bideford bike show this weekend and it's meant to rain

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

That will be a right royal shame, Hopefully the biker gods send sunshine. Shame to see the event come to an end

@paulwrixon5843 4 месяца назад

@@ontheroadadventure to much red tape to do anything in this country plus every council wants pay outs.. I think you to got the right idea head to Spain and France more enjoyable and less expensive

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

The uk is going down hill so fast its unreal. Such a shame, it feels like the Great has disappeared from Britain and half of us just want to abandon ship

@paulwrixon5843 4 месяца назад

@@ontheroadadventure don't get me started lol the things that are happening here are unreal the hole country is on its ass and our only get away is to put that helmet on and ride

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Then ride we shall!

@clydecardy7410 4 месяца назад

The good times keep on rolling - thanks again for taking us with you.

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

So much more to show you! The deserts of Spain are coming up, now that is something to see!

@sukrutuz3718 4 месяца назад

👍

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Thanks

@sukrutuz3718 4 месяца назад

@@ontheroadadventure You're welcome

@eddiemizen3703 4 месяца назад

Very nice video 😊

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Thank you! Cheers!

@mrcintheuk4641 4 месяца назад

No ifs, buts or me maybes, Spain is the ultimate European touring county.

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Portugal is right up there too though....

@youngeroldie5089 4 месяца назад

What a great episode, well filmed and edited. the scenery is out of this world I could say I am not jealous but that would be an utter lie. Don't think I will get abroad this year as Mrs working a lot and don't trust me to go alone with her she prefers us to go with my mate who drove lorries all over the continent for many years. Having a week down in Devon next month so at least got that to look forward to.

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

There is so much to see in Devon and Cornwall. We have lots of videos there for you to give you places to visit and we still find new places all the time. We are always saying you dont need to leave the uk to have an adventure

@youngeroldie5089 4 месяца назад

@@ontheroadadventure We are staying inland from Lynmouth and Lynton been there before lovely place.

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Perfect location, You may have seen this already but this is the area your going to with some amazing places to visit... Dont forget Dartmoor too. We have a few videos there ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CjbALmWrapY.htmlsi=ECtl6TFB_jX_rE6L

@youngeroldie5089 4 месяца назад

@@ontheroadadventure Thanks for the link it looks great, last time we went we were passing through and did miss a lot.

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

@@youngeroldie5089 Our favourite thing is to go slow… you’ll see more. Go off the main roads, take the A and B roads through the small roads

@quentinjackson6015 4 месяца назад

A fantastic day of riding! Great content and editing produced with an informal approach and interactive humour.....Thanks! 🦜

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Thank you... We want to talk through the screen to you all as our friends

@HarleytheBandit 4 месяца назад

Cracking video and as I love that area of Spain, makes them even better. Been a subscriber a good while now, on both this account and my other account (so you get 2 likes from me on most videos now lol) If I could get my videos to be half as good as these, I'd be happy but I have a long way to go before I'm anywhere near this standard. Me and the Bandit are hoping to tour France and Spain next year so must keep trying to edit my videos better so we can at least put something out half decent. Enjoy the rest of your time in this fantastic country. Look forward to the next instalment (as always)

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Hi, Thanks so much. The editing etc comes with practice.... Just go back and watch our first videos on the Sicily tour. The important thing is that you enjoy the journey and you will always get better if you love it

@HarleytheBandit 4 месяца назад

@@ontheroadadventure Not sure where my 1st reply went to. Anyway, your early video are still very, very good. I need a wireless mic which I'm sure might help if theres a bit of commentary but as with most things, got to add to my equipment a little at a time. Anyway, keep up the great work, enjoy your tour and most importantly, RIDE SAFE

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Yes we feel the pain, its a expensive business buying all the kit needed to make and edit the videos to a high standard. Just keep treating yourself to one thing every now and then and master that item before buying something new otherwise it all becomes very over whelming and you end up jack of all trades and master of none

@johncarmichael8367 4 месяца назад

God that just looked amazing go you guys

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

This world of ours is just amazing, If you travelled every day your whole life, we still dont get to see it all.... We find it Fascinating and want to see as much as is possible and if we can share what we see with others and encourage others to go too then we are very content

@momo-go4pl 4 месяца назад

Love the video as always! Can’t get enough of you two

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

THanks so much, we love you too!

@bobpearceNC750x 4 месяца назад

Great video again guys, fantastic views, amazing!!!

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Thank you so much 👍

@teneretraveller8980 4 месяца назад

Excellent footage, team OTR. Great to watch and great edit. Banter is what makes life entertaining! A great example of why we travel. Spain is a lot more than just the costas. Ride safe 👍. Onwards.

@simonburbidge7213 4 месяца назад

You two are just Fantastic to watch. Love your videos...man i cant wait to hit Europe. Bit apprehensive not gonna lie going alone , but watching you two just gives me so much confidence in doing it. Keep up the fantastic work 👏

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Hi Simon, Go for it, you will be fine. The key is to go with the flow, Adapt to problems and sitautions as you go. We accept the idea that things Will go wrong on a tour, and we will need to find solutions. Thats just what it is. Another tip is to not try to plan all the details, we dont worry about the route or even where we will stay, we make it up as we go along. This way, no stress and you cant go wrong. If you plan every detail you lose the adventure. If you prebook and pay for your hotels ahead of time and you have a problem that costs you a day, then you are out by one day of your plan and lose all your bookings.... Just go with the flow, youll be fine

@costadogify 4 месяца назад

Really happy to see you guys enjoyed my adopted home..... moved here 24 years ago, and totally love it. Truly believe Andalusia has some of the best biking roads in the world. Easy to take it for granted though.... but watching your exploration reminds me how lucky we are. Thanks, and good travels.

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

You are a very Lucky Man! We would love to live in Spain or portugal, Just having the sun most days is just so healthy for you and having endless roads like this is just luxury

@costadogify 4 месяца назад

I ride over to Portugal every few months, takes about five hours from where I live, (Marbella) and yes, I really do consider myself lucky 😊

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Lets do Home swap.....

@simonbeal2148 4 месяца назад

the sierra nevada home of the highest paved road in europe at over 3000m its higher than highest road in the alps

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Oh thats interesting. Whats the road called? Both me and ewa often feel a bit weird at heights, i was proper ill on top of mont blanc. So doing things like the himalayas is a bit of a worry for the future.... Viagra is suppose to help, but surely theres a more sensible option or way to adapt to it

@simonbeal2148 4 месяца назад

@@ontheroadadventure it's the pico veleta 👌

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Thanks will check it out

@nigelsride 4 месяца назад

Absolutley brilliant, you Two put a smile on my face every time I watch your videos. Stunning ride, fun banter. Keep going Ewa your doing brilliant, Rich will make sure your ok. 😂 and stop trying to nick his bacon butty 😂

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Thanks Nigel, Glad to have you with us for a chuckle. Nice place this Sierra Nevada

@geoffmatthias3056 4 месяца назад

Another excellent watch cheers Rich n Ewa. We never want to go camping or want to ride adventure bikes we tour on a goldwing stay in B&Bs but are absolutely loving watching your holiday adventures 🏍️👍😜

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Its a interesting thing, We all have our preferences and differences on how we do it but we all have the same desire to travel, Ride and see whats around us....

@geoffmatthias3056 4 месяца назад

@@ontheroadadventure definitely a love of bikes and traveling you two keep on doing what you’re doing makes for brilliant viewing ☀️👍

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

@@geoffmatthias3056 Thanks so much, we will inevitably have to return home to work but will be away again as soon as is possible 👍👍

@Strangefruit-Biker-20 4 месяца назад

Another great video guys, That was some stunning views and great looking roads, looking forward to the next one. Stay safe 🏍️

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

It was an unexpected gem, The Sierra Navada is quite a big national park, probably lots more to see there too

@Freespeach123 4 месяца назад

Love your video as always!

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

A beautiful place to ride, glad you enjoyed it - See you next time

@IrelandRider 4 месяца назад

Great video as always, but always too short (for me, ha! 😅) Thanks for sharing and see you on your next adventure ✌️ 🤙 🤟

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

Thanks so much - We dont want to drag the videos out, we much rather they remain interesting but some will alsays be longer than others. Most importantly we will give you 3 a week!

@IrelandRider 4 месяца назад

@@ontheroadadventure I might start saving them through the week, then binge watch them with a beer or 2. I've enjoyed every single one. I know they won't ever be anything other than epic, keep it up guys 🤙🤩😁

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

We will surprise you with 3 Hour long Marathons that week just to mess with you lol

@IrelandRider 4 месяца назад

@@ontheroadadventure bring it on 🤣👍

@ontheroadadventure 4 месяца назад

We will try it but not hopeful. I cant see them just deciding to do the right thing... Who does that anymore eh?!