SEGA XBOX - Dreamcast Corporate SABOTAGE ?! - Gaming History Documentary 

When the Dreamcast died, as a hardcore SEGA kid since the SMS I was for the first time a gamer without a home. Peter Moore going to MS, the controller design, and the specific franchises Sega decided to put on the console got me to buy an Xbox. Still my second favorite console behind the Dreamcast.

There had to be a connection between the Dreamcast and Xbox the controllers were similar and Dreamcast was involved with Microsoft

Sega and Microsoft would had made a joint venture at the end of the 90s for creating the dreamcast. Imagine the power of Xbox, the library of DC plus Halo...

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This means, that the Xbox 3, known as the Xbox 1, is really the Dreamcast 4, which is really the Master System 7, or Master System 7.5 if you count the 32X, making current Xbox generation the Dreamcast 5, or Master System 8 or 8.5, and potentially the Master System 9 if you’re counting the Sega CD expansion. It becomes even more clear, when you consider that the initials of Master System, are MS, which is a commonly used nickname for Microsoft. The lineage is very clear, and proves that the Japanese never fully lost the war, and Bill Gates, has been a secret Japanese agent, the whole time.

You're absolutely correct about the PS2 having the majority of Sega titles. We hat we didn't get here were the majority of Sega Ages titles, despite one compilation disc.

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While I have heard that the Xbox was to perhaps be a successor to the Dreamcast, one thing kind of confirmed that theory when I got my hands on one from a local thrift clearance store for $5 in perfect working order. It was just a plain Xbox, until I soldered in the mod chip, and started downloading disc images for it. Almost all of them weighed in around 1.2 GB, at least for the earlier releases. The same size, more or less, as the GDROM images for a Dreamcast ISO. Perhaps Microsoft intended to use the same format for the Xbox, but upon learning the PS2 would be DVD based, they followed suit, and went with that as the default at first, but without the lousy excuse for copy protection (too big for CD-Rs, unless various sacrifices were made, and an already cracked encryption scheme), but the well established DVD format was already there, and they could go with an off the shelf DVD drive for the most part, which would in the end save them money.

I loved Sega I was really gutted when they stopped making consoles. I had to make an unwanted choice after Dreamcast do I choose PlayStation or Xbox, I chose PlayStation but nowadays I have more money so i have every console.

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Keep Up the work Lady Decade!! This is an interesting topic that nobody, not even gaming historian talked about! Nice to hear! and congrats on 50k ! Hope you get to 100k soon!

Awesome! I was always curious about this. Sega dreamcast controller and the xbox duke controller the similarities can't be overlooked

I personally think Microsoft and sega knew that releasing a dreamcast 2 would be a bad decision due to sega having a bad reputation within the console market for short lived consoles so they released it under the Microsoft brand instead. You've only got to look at the console to see it was the successor to the dreamcast.

There has to be an iceberg meme about this. Nintendo Playstation. Sega Playstation. Sega XBox. Atari Wii.

I luv SEGA all of their consoles the SG-1000, Master System, Genesis, Saturn, Dreamcast, Nomad and the Game Gear!

Final Fantasy VII and VIII have the best videogame soundtracks, but Lords of Thunder for the TurboGrafx had the best music to listen to. Transformers:Beast Wars on PS1 is an honorable mention

you may think it's not the spiritual successor, until you realize that xbox game pass is basically just Sega Channel.

I don't think Peter Moore was the reason Dreamcast shut down. I think Peter Moore saw the writing on the wall and prepared Sega for their future, it just so happened he did such a good job with it that Microsoft appreciated what he did and saw his success and usefulness to them.

The mythical 'set-top box' was mentioned early in the 1990s as a single device that could replace a VHS, PC, and game system. Technology was the biggest barrier to achieving the device, but increments were made along the way. The CD-i and 3DO had the multimedia discs like Compton's Encyclopedia as precursors to the information delivery online. Both also had Video CD support (with additional components) before the debut of DVD. Streaming with any degree of quality was years away, but the DIVX DVD players had reusable discs which, with a quick online fee, could be watched for 48 hours. The concept was cheap fees to rent movies without a trip to rental stores. It failed, while DVD succeeded. Microsoft also had WebTV, a set-top device that allowed TVs to access the internet at a chugging speed. It was adequate for accessing information, but little else. All these steps were moving towards that ultimate goal of the set-top box which could replace the PC, and Microsoft clearly knew it. The big fear is that it would be another company to achieve it first, as presented in this video.

In my opinion I think Peter Moore did what he did because Sega of Japan killed off the 32x and then stopped supporting the Dreamcast. He was done with the company and moved on to bigger and better things of course screwing over Sega in the process. Karma is a bitch.

5:49, and that's when the dark age of gaming started on pc, when someone,a team or who know, said that "console will be better thanpc hurr durr". meaning that all devs were scared as shiit and developed only games for consoles. thankfully it all changed in recent years thanks God, those were dark times indeed

The video production here is so well done! The clips from various sources are spliced in exactly the right places to illustrate the crazy well researched narrative. Why so few subs?

Totally digging this egg carrier music for the intro! As always great gaming history knowledge, thank you!

I always kind of looked at the XBOX as a spiritual successor to the Dreamcast. The XBOX 360 was the real start of XBOX. The XBOX was my final new console I bought until the switch.

that sega gt 2002 /jet set radio future disk was one of my fav games on my OG Xbox for the longest time and I always believed nothing could beat what they was all started developing on tho the xbox was literally a small factor gaming PC and most consoles and game developers started out as working with and or coding on one I'm just glad consoles nowadays are closer to them because it makes it easier for developers.

Jet Set Radio Future is still one of my favourite games of all time. Tho i never grew up with the OG Xbox, i only experienced the original Jet Set Radio on 360, and the soundtrack alone made me fall in love with it (clunky controls aside). I keep hoping Sega will port it to current consoles and PC, even tho Bombrush cyberfunk is gonna be a proper spiritual successor next year unlike the og xbox. Also Yes! Xenoblade X ost is top tier

I remember on an old IGN article I read well back when it was new in like 2009 or something That was actually where I learned about how Sony actually approached Sega about making a new console after Nintendo broke their deal all for Sega to laugh Sony out the building I had learned later on as I was reading that article that Sega and Microsoft were getting pretty close to making a console together as well. Nobody ever talks about the Sega and Microsoft potential partnership. Cool to see a video talking about it in more detail

Imagine if sega stepped out of the shadow and came in with heat, show casing a new prototype with today's technology, I'd feel like a kid on christmas

I think the people who say the OG Xbox is the ‘Dreamcast 2’ or was the ‘spiritual successor’ to the Dreamcast, are actually in denial regarding Sega’s decision not to make consoles after the Dreamcast. The writing was on the wall for Sega consoles for many years prior to the end, we should just be thankful that Sega still exists in some way and not be mulling over wild and wonderful speculations of times long past.

Another lovely bit of history, there. While the Xbox isn't the Dreamcast 2, it is fun to imagine what might've been had Microsoft not decided to go it on their own for the Xbox. The fun part is, right now, I can play everything from Atari to PS2 on my Xbox Series, so if you're willing to do what Sega don't, it is possible to make it much more than even Microsoft ever intended.

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Is interesting considering the idea of a Sega XBox, but it was too ambitious for the time, I guess that consider the XBox the Dreamcast 2 is right on some point, because is confirmed that many of the first Sega exclusives were Dreamcast projects, but in the end that idea was short, cause Sega ended publishing and launching games for every System specially PS2 (sadly many of the Sonic games were awful ports, but anyway what could be done?)

Great video. However, I'd still debate that the X box take alot from the Dreamcast. Maybe not openly but it does to me, even if Sega supported the PS2 more. The Xbox has online built in like the Dreamcast. The controller's have slots for memory cards etc. The PS2 just does not feel like it share DNA from the Dreamcast like the Xbox does. It just feels that way to me. Only my opinion. 👍🏼🤔😍

Yeah the only things that the Xbox has from the Dreamcast is the button layout and the option to put memory cards in on top of the controllers. There were really not enough games in order for it to be a true spiritual successor to the Dreamcast unlike the PS2 had to offer at the time.

Peter Moore is such an interesting guy. Learning why he had to leave Sega is sad, but also badass.

I think the most damage done to the Dreamcast is the absence of a DVD drive. This at a time when DVD was new and it was easy to say, honey we need a DVD player, oh look the PlayStation two is not much more than a basic DVD player! Ok Subbed!!!

Yeah, they always stuck in my mind. if you think about it, the Xbox is a Dreamcast successor or spiritual sequel. It’s uncanny. Also, dream cast will always have a place in everybody’s heart and Sega knows that. The whole gaming community knows that. However, even being Bill Gates, does it mean squat if the hardware is butt cheek. So the Xbox competing with the Nintendo and PlayStation systems was a huge deal. It still is! Growing up in the early 2000s, licensed games would always be gamecube, PS2, Xbox, and sometimes PC. But the mature titles, were PS2, Xbox, and PC. Which is astounding because they were the consoles to have. It’s not like today were there are many options to play different games like Marvel’s Spider-Man or God of War. Just recently, if you didn’t have a PS4, your shit out of luck. But thanks to PC, the many options that can come about are inevitable. I’m just waiting on GamePass to be released on switch.

I'd love to hit it with the actually, but not going to do it 😃 my whole argument for the spiritual successor angle is founded on sega's partnership with Microsoft, these significant similarities between Dreamcast and OG Xbox, and especially with regard to Chihiro and porting arcade titles to the Xbox. All 3 consoles that generation got Sega titles but the ones on Xbox looked and performed better then their team red or team blue equivalent. Glad to see you got into this one a little bit, I feel like I got my episode

If it weren't for Microsoft, the dominant position that SONY would have achieved with its poor quality standards that it has held for a few years would have led to another video game crisis like the one in 1983.

Just think about it, had Microsoft NOT decided to enter the console war, do people really think that it would have been "just" Sony and Nintendo (asymmetrically) slugging it out for very long?...without ANY third competitor? There always seems to be exactly three seats at the console war table, so I strongly believe that some deep-pocketed company would have bailed out the SEGA financially and used the still-strong brand to create some kind of Dreamcast successor (or add-ons). There was too much money to be made for no one except Nintendo to attempt to steal some market share away from the PS2. The only reason nobody saved SEGA was because Microsoft was already casting a very long shadow and everyone could see that they were definitely going to steal that third seat one way or another.

Bear in mind that the owner of Microsoft has always tried to destroy and sabotage the competition and I do not believe that this case is the exception. Although SEGA was already in a major structural crisis by the time Dreamcast saw the light, it is curious that most of the games moved to XBOX and that the Windows operating system that Dreamcast had included (in addition to its own, of course) was quite inefficient and few wanted to develop games on it.

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What would happen if, Microsoft + Nintendo + Sony + sega = put aside their differences and made a super ultimate console together ?💯✔🤔🤝💡

I miss the Dreamcast and the old sera, come too think of it. One of my best memories was renting House of the Dead from block busters on an overnight rent and rinsing it for nearly 24hrs.

Did any games actually use directx? I was under the impression software COULD use windows ce, but outside of the web browser it wasn't really used. Sort of like dev mode on xbone and xbox series with UWP

Panzer Dragoon Orta Limited Edition Xbox from Sega Direct is Literally a Sega Xbox.

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If you really think about it Sega has tried or has team up with every major gaming like Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft if you really think about it also great video as always Lady Decade! :)

Superb always a lot of info and in plenty of detail always something to learn i never knew before thanks for the video .

Sega in the mid 90s to late 90's were shooting themselves in the foot and Dreamcast was big here in the US for a year and half

I can't imagine how utterly exhausting it is to research all of these reports and press articles. You're the GOAT

lol when u move game systems back and forth in your videos it always cracks me up

Great video🥂 For the record though: Peter Moore is a saint!🤣 My SEGA fanboy mind and my Xbox preference for modern systems salivate and then explode over the prospect of a Dreamcast back compatible og Xbox🤯

This wasn't the first time Microsoft had dabbled in consoles. Microsoft created the MSX, a PC/Console Hybrid, which they licensed to several companies, including Sony. While most kept to this hybrid design, Daewoo had different ideas. They created the console line known as the Zemmix, with 4 different iterations between 1985 and 1995. The MSX became iconic in Japan and Brazil, becoming the standard for home computing and gaming. SEGA actually licensed its games to be ported to the MSX upto the release of the Megadrive.

I was a Sega fan back to the Master System days. The problem they always had was they couldn't get enough third party publishers. Then with the Saturn they made a system that was hard to develop for that is why they partnered with MS for CE with Dreamcast. By then the damage had already been done. It also isn't supprising that Sony ended up with more Sega games. Sega always realeased more games in Japan than the US ever saw.

I know it's a bit of a stretch but could you imagine if they could have made the OG XBox backwards compatible to play Dreamcast games? I' not suggesting Sega make the hardware because clearly they failed hard on that time after time, but Microsoft could have teamed up with them on the software side of things, they literally would have had an instant library of playable games day 1 with BC and I'm willing to bet their sales in Japan would have been MUCH better than they've been historically. Not to mention have an exclusive 1st/3rd party developer in their pocket from the jump.

14:42 I literally hate him for that. I wanted Shenmue 2 on the Sega Dreamcast so bad. 😤

The Super Castlevania IV soundtrack is such an underrated gem.

Good stuff. Some stuff was a great refresher and I learned some new stuff. Great vid.

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I always wondered how this collaboration fell apart. In magazines, it was all rumor *Sega bought by Microsoft?!" Still even now that rumor keeps creeping up. Back then, I did own an Xbox because I was interested in where the collaboration would go. But.. yeah it was a weird choice, and direction. Seeing where Sega is now, as a third party, who knows. Microsoft, is Microsoft.

Nice video. I waited for u to talk about this!

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I mean, it's fairly obvious how Peter Moore intentionally sabotaged the Dreamcast to benefit Microsoft and develop a good enough relationship with them to take a higher paying job in the Xbox division.

Growing up as a hard core Sega fan, in my later years of life I started seeing Sega for what they were. Sega of America and Japan were two idiots that sabotage themselves out of existence. Today I am firmly planted on the Microsoft side of the coin for gaming as well as for gaming on a PC. If it wasn’t for Microsoft’s investment into Windows Media Edition, XBOX, and other home endeavors, gaming as we know it today would be MUCH different. Honestly don’t feel sorry for Sega’s fate.

Microsoft should buy Sega from Sammy. Not only can they bring their IP onto Gamepass and have a Super Mascot like Sonic, but it would be clever to release future Xbox consoles in Japan under the Sega name 🤑 If they are gonna buy Activision/Blizzard and Bethesda, might as well get a mega Japanese brand to round out their portfolio and gain some ground against Nintendo and Sony. BTW, it’s funny that Microsoft did the opposite of Bandai (Apple) Pippin in terms of Japanese marketing.

I did notice how similar the Xbox controller was to the Dreamcast even having the memory slots but I thought they just copied everything because they do in a way.

Fun Fact: Sega later sold off a third of it's company and it's IPs, in addition to most of it's schematic designs. . What was supposed to be the Dreamcast 2 3, and 4 became the Xbox, XBOX 360, & Xbox One respectively

I mean, I get it. However personally the Xbox was the successor of the Dreamcast because of all the similar beats the SEGA's games for the Xbox hit.

The problem with this collaboration(like any other collaboration) would hardware be Sega's to control?

Very nice video! Well done!👌👍

What is the name of the music in the background in this video? It sounds familiar but I can't quite name it.

Series X: "Power Your Dreams"

I still feel it's the dreamcast 2 lol I went straight from dreamcast to xbox and that's how it felt back then

I remember getting a ps2 when it first came out. It game me games and a DVD player but I called 1800 people pc and still bought a computer. So I never thought of it as a computer I always liked having both.

So much talk about Dreamcast while those consoles were made by other companies… The only main update the Dreamcast needed at the time was for his gamepad: a second joystick, the d-pad and the six buttons from the Megadrive/Saturn, and making the joystick grippier and softer. That's it.

I always loved castlevanias symphony of the night soundtrack.i even requested the track "I am the wind" for my funeral...

Dreamcast used WinCE to utilize Microsoft Direct X... Direct X Box.

World Record to the Dreamcast. The most and best games exklusives in a short time of release of all time consoles gaming history. Sega Dreamcast End of 1999 to Mid 2001. Unrewindable.

Every time I bring up the Dreamcast in conversation, no one knows what im talking about. Which is sad because its one of my favorite consoles of all time.

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wow sega has been through a lot.

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Never understood back in the day why people thought games consoles were really going to take over from computer. Still a hell of a lot of things that a gaming console can't do. Yeah maybe from an entertainment aspect, it didn't look good but no one was gonna do serious business on a PS2.

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18:31 If there was no Xbox to slow PlayStation down, Nintendo probably would’ve sold twice as many GameCubes 😉

the reason why they said xbox is dreamcast 2 is because the only thing ps2 have is more dreamcast game while xbox exactly look like dreamcast just look at the controller

It takes an inventive mind to run and invent this Microsoft. And I'm very happy.

The world is gradually turning their backs on triple-A 3D games and going back to 2D (eg Axiom Verge, Hollow Knight, Blasphemous, Shovel Knight). So really the Xbox Series X is the Sega Saturn Mark 6. Thank you, goodnight.

FFVII is a good answer, but FFXII's music to me rivals it. The music from PS & PS2 Tenchu games are underappreciated.

Manic Miner is one of the soundtracks that is really memorable.

I still insist that the Xbox is the Dreamcast 2, even though SEGA released more games for PS2.

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Xbox is the appropriate sequel.

Great as always. The Japanese Xbox marketing or games offered/what games are know for on systems is unfortunate I mean the Xbox One games look I saw from a VGchartz article or forum post compared to Xbox OG/360 was all western (even Dead Rising didn't count as a western Capcom division) but the Team Ninja and other games on OG Xbox and 360 at the time made were a big deal and I can understand why (forget if Sega ones were in the top 10 but won't deny the 11 game deal was a good thing from Sega and great Dreamcast sequels. Have yet to play many of them but can't deny what I've heard/seen or the few Dreamcast ones I've played with emu at least). I also think the Japanese don't buy outside of their own is believeable but more for consoles than say phones. I would assume yes for cameras, TVs, radios and other things and it depends on the company/what is offered but I do think the marketing matters still. Not saying all don't know Microsoft makes the Xbox but I didn't know until later but always knew Sony did their consoles either just from hearing or their logo is on their consoles while Microsoft's isn't. Of course the Bill Gates with a controller and burger Japanese ad/billboard ad is clear but otherwise don't think they push things like that much and more different ones like the Green X on the clothes of some guys just doing their thing among others less 'baby ages to elder when in the air' ad being more out there (like all 2000s ads are for western ads at least) but even still not seen many Japanese ads yet may have to look around what people have archived but still. Either way Sega supporting the PS2 more makes sense for the install base to offer games for. Wasn't in the other comment section though. Whatever hardware wise, deals and so on between the three companies makes sense but yeah the support of which console more is pretty clear. The PS2 trying to be advertised as a PC to Europe because they didn't want to pay the 'console' sort of fee sure. It having YaBasic or Linux, sure. The ethernet/hard drive use for games and other purposes sure. Otherwise though it's just an entertainment device either way more and those features had so much support. The PS3 having printer support still on the menu, Linux for a time among other features though that PS4 does have because the PS4 they didn't think it needed it makes it more a PC unlike the PS4 where they changed direction to not be a supercomputer all in one device like the PS3 was and instead a console with games and other music (not cd support but still), tv/movie (DVD and Blu-ray) and other support like smart TVs. Would Sony still have gone crazy with the PS3 I think so. More relaxed than competition from Microsoft but still. Have 2 companies and both Japanese would be interesting if still the same direction of controller hardware, Nintendo not making the Wii maybe but otherwise it would be very different. They still think of it as entertainment though like the PSP was a modern Walkman and I think it still applies. The Vita being close to a smartphone sure (email among other things) but not quite there (not that it needed to be as it's a good handheld in its own right).

what's the song at the beginning?