Looks pretty well made , and just looking at the GT1 specs , it has a 150 KG payload , it is obviously built well to take that sort of load , when many others are way below that payload figure.
The price is "high" because of the fit and finish. If you compare it to the Nami Burn E-2 (non max) its currently $100 more but it beats it in every single fit and finish category but has similar performance specs.
Great review, and killer scooters. Way out of my price range, but it's great to see the competition at the top end. What happens at the top end now will be the next gen of the tier below it, and two gens away of the tier below that, and so on. I have to imagine in like 4-5 years most scooters worth buying will offer something similar to this at the very least.
@@JamesFaction an electric motorcycle is a hell of alot more expensive. A first Gen low powered zero second hand is already more expensive, let alone a new one. Also a motorcycle you don't just store indoors, this one although quite bulky for a escooter is still something you could but in the hallway of your home for example without it getting really in the way
@@JamesFaction idk where you're from but here the closest electric motorcycle would be a second hand zero that costs 7k and thats a first Gen, new electric bikes are over 5 times the price of this scooter
You guys always make entertaining and informative videos, without exception. Thanks for your efforts in promoting the LPEV as a viable everyday transport option. YES! Finally, turn signals where they can be seen. Great job Segway, and thanks ESG for highlighting this feature. Hopefully more manufacturers will realise that e-scooter riders value visibility probably more than just about any other road users because we're hard to see but arrive at places much faster than most motorists are used to seeing from conventional cyclists. I love this step forward, which should become the standard. If we all speak together, maybe more manufacturers will listen.
Awesome review guys! The pair look like beasts, awesome cruisers with the ability to light it up when needed. What were they like moving them around in the garage, living room, hallways etc...are they about the same foot print as an Ebike for example...they do look enormous. ..I'm thinking that 100lbs is too heavy for most riders to move around their homes...unless they're just rolling into their garages...also maintenance on something this large could be tricky. Are the tires proprietary or were they a brand people can buy locally? Solid review...not for me on the third floor without an elevator but interesting nonetheless :)
The tires are made by CST, (Cheng-Shin Tire) the world's largest manufacturer of scooter tires. I haven't seen this tread pattern before, but the 10 x 3.5 inch size is pretty standard for beast scooters. They definitely need to be rolled everywhere. With a bit of a grunt, you can hop the front tire up a curb when pushing, but it takes a little technique and all of my strength to pop it up. Fortunately the deck is high enough that the rear rolls right up after the front without the belly of the scooter scraping (at least on the normal looking curb in front of ESG). -Paul
the tires are 11x3.8 and they are superb street tires. the scooters are quite heavy and not very easy to move around: for example I move mine up 2 steps from my garage into my house using a 10x2 board. even with this board it is not a small task, I have to adjust the scoot so as to swing it thru the doorway
The GT2 is interesting to me. I like that they're using the original non-Ninebot Segway's locking system. Also, there's a Segway authorized dealer near me. The issue with all of our cool toys as PEV owners is that unless you are skilled in repair or have a trusted source, these could become expensive parts for sale after a while. I sold my Segway i2 ($5K+ used purchase price) for $400 after the batteries ($1K each) died. Now I have two electric unicycles and an e-sk8 that I can't even add air to without help. So I'm that person who needs a repair spot and that weighs more on my decision than super specs.
Just got my GT2 delivered this morning. It's charging up right now. This should help me with my morning commute from El Sobrante to Orinda and back. My first scooter couldn't do the direct commute. It was a 5th Wheel V30 pro from Amazon
Great review as always. Overall a good design and progression in PEVs will only help consumers in the long run. That weight spec though. Need to hit the gym to start handling these new scooters.
The gt2 looks like my perfect scooter. Enough power but not too much. Cool rider assist features. Limited top speed. I have about 0 interest in cracking 30mph on a scooter. I generally cruise 15-20
Yeah, it's easy to get focused on headline numbers like top speed (we're partly to blame for this too) and lose track of rideability. I'm very excite to see the direction scooters are going with better throttle control and more stability. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Nailed it, brother. Hill climb, range, safety and comfort are my biggest wants. The only knock I see on this one is portability but that’s why I like range because I don’t want to pack these beasts, I just want to ride them instead of drive. As far as speed, my Ghost can go 37mph with me on it. I’ve done it like three time in a year, all within the first month of ownership, just to see. It’s real rare I crack 20mph.
Too bad I already bought the Apollo City, which is in a completely different class. I would’ve invested in the GT1 but I think I can’t fit any more scooters at my place for now lol. Maybe next year I’ll make room for one of these. Thanks for the awesome review Paul, I was still excited to learn more about these.
I pre-ordered the GT2. It is the first scooter I will own after having ridden rented ones for a few years. Its time to own my own. When I pre-ordered, I didnt realize how big it really was, that wont change my mind. But is there anything you can suggest for this with regards to like a shoulder strap to carry it and what the best type of lock would accommodate this scooter? BTW, love your channel as I'm new to this and your videos are super helpful! :)
Awesome choice! One of the best locks is the New York kryptonite but we would not suggest leaving the scooter outside for long periods of time due to theft! A experienced burglar can cut any lock -Vosk
I have a question about the Apollo city pro Considering it doesn't have a very good range versus other scooter of the same price do you think its worth waiting for the v3? And is it possible to maybe in the future change its battery for a higher capacity one of the same dimensions as technology evolve? By similar prices scooter I mean the emove cruiser 2020 (Not the 2021 one because im in Canada and its not available here)
The City ended up getting a bigger battery after our review came out. Not sure if you were looking at the old numbers or not. We added some notes to the review in the description and I think elsewhere. The V3 looks like a smokin ride. I would be sorely tempted to get a V2 and upgrade to V3 when the kit comes out or wait for the V3 to fully launch. -Paul
@@simonlalonde9919 I wouldn't call the City 2022 the v2 of the previous City. They're totally different scooters. With the City 2022, you're getting a v1. Your real question is if you should wait for the v2 of the City 2022. From my point of view the answer is probably, also keep in mind that the shipping date keeps on being pushed and is now july. Might end up being August or September,. who knows?
Oh I see Simon. Interesting point about future versions of the Apollo City. I'm curious if they will evolve it in an upgradeable way, like they have with the Phantom. -Paul
Great content! Been watching a few content producers in this space, and I think you've got a solid format. Good mix of science/raw facts with a blend of comparison that I always appreciate so I can put a bit more context to things - especially if I haven't tried one of the others personally. Thank you!
I've had mine for two weeks and I weight 300 lbs. Unbelievably good scooter for ~30 mile daily commute. I just keep the speeds below 15 mph to make sure I can make the 30 mile trip.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide I’m fortunate to have a straightforward bike trail and bike lanes to get all the way to work. No parking, no traffic, it’s worth it!
Yeah, that was a surprise Curt. I feel like the lower top speed was intentional on Segway's part, though the top speeds we hit were below the firmware limit of the scooters. On the GTs and the BURN-E 2 I never found myself mssing the top speed, for any practical use. A rare squirt up to top speed on a 50 to 60 mph scooter tends to be a teeth-clenching, eye-watering, "there-I-did-it" sort of event. -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide Similarly to the ninebot max, I suspect mods coming out increasing top speed. I love segway so much more than any other pev company, whether its comparing eucs/ow's or e-scooters I just trust them the most due to their engineering
I have enjoyed every product from Segway I purchased with unsurpassed customer service and build quality in their products. Waiting for the motorcycle but I’ll probably take a long look at the gt2. It could very well be my next scooter and I’ll pass down my modded ninebot to my oldest son.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide they sell the gt2 3,100euros here in greece where i am from also thats almost the same price the sell the dualtron thunder(about 100e more). i must say that we got a minimotors dealership near my house also with service, parts and accessories tho i cant say the same for segway. the other thing i must say is that i dont buy online cuz i dont have a card so no online shopping for me lol. what would you guys pick? :)
Thanks ESG for making my decision that much harder (A GOOD thing).... I have a GT1 on pre order and was considering going the later to be released p100S for better portability yet after seeing your review it's making me re-think my options. Perhaps I can live with the portability factor considering the silky smooth ride quality. Perhaps I can use a ramp to put the GT1 into the back of my 4WD ? Now thinking of just keeping the pre order after all and give myself the headache of choosing between the Apollo City Pro and Segway p100S as my quick (grab & go) touring PEV for holidays, etc. The future of PEV's looks so very exciting, cannot wait to see what is unveiled on the Apollo front come 2023 to rival Segway's new line up. Nothing like healthy competition to help 'drive' innovation and advancement in this exciting industry. Once again Kudos 👏 to y'all at ESG for your contribution to the PEV community, outstanding!!! Take a bow !
I like this trend that more people are getting into owning scooters and not sharing and dumping one to a side of the road after using. This is a clever way to reduce the heavy traffic and amount of cars on the road. Scooters are very affordable to own and maintain than a car. But the downside is they aren't much reliable than cars yet. You can buy the best well build scooter in the world but you'll have to get rid of it after year or so. And also the disciplines of scooter riders should improve. Otherwise they'll hit pedestrian over and over again.
Really surprised we didn’t get 13 inch tires on these. Potholes are still a big problem for 11 inch tires and they aren’t very portable as is - seems like a missed opportunity to me.
Naming confuses me. In car racing GT1 class cars are always faster and generally more advanced than GT2. If they gonna borrow their naming why won't they do it properly?
Great video. I’ve been looking forward to hearing more about these. I almost bought the GT1 when they had their secret $800 off special but two things held me back - 1) weight over 100 pounds, 2) Fairly small battery for such an expensive scooter. But otherwise I think they hit a home run with the design and manufacturing and I hope other vendors will follow. I’m looking forward to seeing what the P100S looks like as I think it will be a nice balance between the original Max and the GT1.
Hi Ollie, What do you think of the Vsett suspension? I wish it had hydraulic in the front and rear. The hydraulic suspension in the reat of our Vsett feels like it has lost most of it's damping. Has yours stayed the same, or has it lost some damping over time -Paul
The GT's are stability and braking champions, but do come up a little short on top speed, range and for sure the horn. It's better for interacting with bicycles and pedestrians than for cars. -Paul
I've ordered the GT2! Thanks for the Review! My lightly used 72v Wolf King will be going up for sale. Honestly, I drive a Honda Valkyrie 1800 motorcycle that goes 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, but the Wolf King scares me.
Valkyries are something else! So much torque. The GT2 has a Honda-esque feel to it. You know how Honda makes everything a little bit heavy, very very solid and holds back on performance a bit for the sake of reliability. Even the handlebars feel a little Honda-ish (these are all good things). -Paul
This is really cool. After watching reviews from consumers who bought it Im going to wait for the next model perhaps it will be called the GT3 and hope they fix every little issue wrong with the GT2 that those people reported. Till then ill be enjoying the Max G2 then pass it to my son once the GT3 is out. These segway scooters are definitely well made man. I like that there is a Segway service center about 30 miles away from me.
This is great, but with current city laws I've been stopped multiple times due to speed- the discussion on how cool the scooter is leaves me with a warning, but that's only going to last so long.
Twist throttles can be dangerous for scooters where u ride standing and lean on the handle. You can twist the throttle unintentionally if you slip or brake and the scooter flips somewhat forward. Happened to me. Not good.
I'm actually very impressed with these stats. I have the VSETT10+R and am very impressed with the performance and only see one positive upgrading which is the cruise control! I just cannot maintain a slower.... Wait I just realized I have my acceleration all the way up ahahaha. Still tho that cruise control sounds amazing! My ebike has that and is a game changer when I want to cruise for long periods.
The King GT has always been a performance-value champion, but I would put these on par with the NAMI scooters. We touted the BURN-E 2 as a performance value and this out runs the BURN-E 2 on acceleration, and is very close to the BURN-E 2 on top speed. -Paul
Hey ESG would you guys consider doing minimum range tests on the scooter like ginger on wheels, by going on highways or long roads at the highest speeds nonstop till battery dies
That's a channel we don't follow, so I'm not sure what they do. To me, a true minimum range test would be to literally hold it at full throttle from 100% to 0%. So 61 mph on the Wolf King until the battery died, (or the motor controllers fail) or 58.8mph on the NAMI, etc. I'm not sure how useful that would be, since it's not something people are likely to do. We can estimate range at that speed as (battery size in Watt-hours divided by peak power times top speed: (2520Wh/7200W peak power)*61mph = 21.4 miles, but the actual minimum range would be less because the standard peak power calculation uses a nominal voltage of 72V while top speed only really at full charge of about 84V minus voltage sag at full throttle. So we'd need to know the top speed at nominal voltage to make a better calculation. If we estimate top speed at 72V to be 50 mph, then we get 17.5 miles which feels like the right number of miles we'd get averaging 50 mph (starting at 61 and then sagging our way down to 40 and below) The next step down from sustained full throttle, I suppose, could be to run it at a pre-designated speed like 35mph for the scooters that would go that fast. It would need to be a loop or be flat in order for it to be scientific, with all of the scooters covering the same terrain, without an altitude-gain penalty. A chase truck would also be needed in order to fight the urge to cheat, by riding home with some small % remaining, and then make up for the cheat by estimating how many miles might be remaining in the battery. Cut-off varies wildly, some go for miles after 0% and some cut off before 0% so you have to ride to cut-off to really know how far a scooter goes. We always keep going until cut off and then push the scooters home from somewhere within the 1.6-mile range-test loop. With the Wolf King GT we covered 55 miles with speeds of 25 to 30mph between stop signs and stop lights on city streets. We used the same speeds for NAMI and the Segway GT's always using the same loop with the same amount of stop and go, the same amount of elevation change per loop, and a net elevation gain/loss of very close to zero. So I guess what I'm saying is that the important thing would be to do it scientifically, or it wouldn't mean anything to compare one scooter to another that way. The next best thing would be to take our range number, divide by 3 (for very fast scooters) to get the minimum range, and then average the minimum range with our range to get an estimate of what it would do at 35 mph or so. I come up with about 36 miles. I'll give some thought as to how we could use our existing data to come up with a range calculator. It would also be useful to be able to do it based on rider weight. -Paul
If you can somehow get an equation to estimate a scooters range so people can do it themselves before buying any scooter. Something like how car tuners with dyno tests for, automatic transmissions normally are 15% less then stated manufacturers bhp number and less % loss if in a manual transmission.
Shame they didn't adapt the pegasus's solid, wide wheel design.. one of the coolest tire designs I've seem in any, scoot! 100% Flatt free, worry free @30mph
Hi Kaioken 99., I just saw your message now. Solid tires on this scooter would be absolutely terrifying! There just wouldn't be enough traction to handle the power or the weight. A larger version of Segway E22-style tires would work though. The E22 uses a polyurethane foam insert inside of a normal tire. It gives 90% of the ride experience of an air-filled tire without a chance of getting flats. The downside is that the foam eventually sacks out and needs to be replaced. It also costs a little range to use foam-filled tires. -Paul
Thank you for this review you answered every question I could think of and some I didn't know I should ask. The price point I would maybe go in a different direction but Amazon has interest free payment options on the gt1 going to wait a little longer and hope they add the gt2 but I would be happy with either one as a back up epv for my regular commute. I am use to speed having a sur-ron LBX as my main commuter. Love it so much but needing it everyday makes repair and maintenance even upgrades difficult with a limited time frame to complete.
Like the build quality and finish but the ip rating is disappointing for those in worse climates and price is just too high. Plus most European cities have restrictions on spec like watts etc so like so many scooters would be rendered illegal! Interesting to see what ESG make of the upcoming p-series which will be in more peoples price bracket! Fantastic indicators on these new scooters I have to say!
Hi Poom, There are many opinions about what voltages are safe for humans to touch. Some (OSHA in the USA) say anything above 50V needs special care, and others say the limit it 60V. The eSC racing scooter uses a sub 60V system so that the riders could crash a scooter and then still pick it up and continue racing without having to go through tech inspection first. There are other variables too, like wet bare hands vs dry bare hands. For practical purposes, there are tens or thousands of >60V and 72V scooters out there, and I haven't heard of any rider injuries, as the batteries are well protected by the scooters and the BMS and charging ports seem to do a good job of keeping everyone safe so far. -Paul
You said it had the best braking but thats incorrect, you achieved a 15Mph/24KM/h - 0 Brake test in 2.6m with the Inokim OXO in the same test! Love your reviews though!
ESG is my go to when I want to buy a scooter thanks for what this channel is doing for scooters community , u guys always objective. The only regret I have about this video is we did not get a chance to hear about the approval of Ramier is it Dawg approved or not ? lol great video can't wait to get my GT2 in August.
Ramier says it's definitely Big Dawg approved. We didn't include his report, since the video was almost 2X the length we usually make. Let us know how you like your GT2 -Paul
L-shaped scooters are struggling in stability department, finally Segway did it. I will upgrade my G30 II Max for GT1 or GT2, that's for sure. Hard to decide between them. Next time you should test offroad usage, this was really lacking from these tests, but also wet braking would be easy to simulate on a road. My only complain is the 11' inch tyre. I think, if not a portable scooter is designed from the get go and the overall weight is that high - they should increase tyre size for better pothole management. Dualtron City shows increadible nimble ride, just because of that 15' inch tyres.
The weight of this 2 scooters is just way to much, no way am I getting 50 kilos up and down the 5th floor with out an elevator. Besides that the ride experience seems great. On a small side note it's not the first 55km/s scooter on a single motor, if you review Chinese selection you will find a couple that do 65km/s without any issues on a single motor.
Fastest single motor we've ever tested. I'm sure there are some single motor scooters with higher claimed top speeds, but I'd love to see GPS data. As you can see, even the GT1 wasn't that close to its claimed top speed. Is there a particular scooter you had in mind? -Paul
the speaker playing different engine sounds and simulating revving and accelleration's one of my favorite things about my G30. I don't use it much but sometimes I do and I always get strange looks from people lol. One night around Midnight I was riding to the store and had it full blast on V8 mode. There was a homeless guy sleeping on the edge of the sidewalk who I didn't see. He heard it and woke up yelling thinking he was about to get run over by a motorcycle. I felt bad so I put on the breaks and went back to check on him. Took him a minute to understand what had happened. I ended up showing him all the different engine FX's and revved them all. He thought it was hilarious. Most people think it's neat but pretty stupid when I show them. I've gotten some good laughs when I sit there revving my scooter like it's a Lambo. Mostly everyone's disappointed when I tell them the top speed's only 18mph. And no shocker here, but females aren't impressed at a grown man revving a scooter like he's some sort of bad-a$$. While it's a gimmicky feature, it's not totally useless. On max volume it's definitely loud enough to possibly keep you safe as people will hear it. Sucks Segway won't let you pair 2, I'd love to set up dual exhaust lol. And it actually sounds pretty decent for playing music. My regular BT speaker sounds much better, but this gets fairly loud and sounds pretty clear. And my other speaker won't do the engine thing. You can link 2 of them to an iPhone or Android for music if you really want to rock out. Downside, the battery life's horrible and it drops connection randomly and starts talking to me in Chinese, I'm guessing telling me I need to pair it or something. The v8 sound on full volume would be much cooler on the GT2 going full speed. I need to figure out a way to afford one.
Thank you so much for the review J.R.! I can't wait to try it! I didn't know it would work on the G30! I have a similar feature on my 4-series BMW that uses the stereo speakers to pump in fake engine sound. I coded it to sound like an M4! I thought it was silly when I first read about it, but it's really fun! -Paul
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide scotanium!! Hahaha !! Love it, with that said its gimmicky i rather it be portable just in case, also at 3k u probably agree that u can buy a motorcycle at that point. I would like to meet the person that buy a 2k+ scooter and why they woukdnt buy a bike at that point since its basically the same risk
It’s front right and left rear, just like motorbikes. For some reason in the USA only they reverse it for pushbikes only, but most anywhere else it’s consistent.
I just realised that I’ve been watching these videos and was not subscribed. I like this channel a lot. Although, most of these scooters are out of my price range, I love watching videos about them and I’m actually more then happy with my e scooter. For Any1 that wants more speed but don’t want to buy a faster e scooter, do what I did. Loose weight. I didn’t do it on purpose, I was sick and didn’t eat more then 2 meals in 10 days. Before being sick, I got 24mph top speed but after, I now get 27/28 mph. I’m thinking that if I loose about 20kg more, I’ll easily go 30mph. So in short, starve yourself to get more speed 😭😭😭😭 no I’m joking, please don’t starve yourself. I guess I’ll be happy going 28 mph for a max of few weeks, until I put the weight back on. Then I’ll feel like a right peasant at 24mph 😭
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide i even removed speed limiter when i was crashed broke my ulna and radius currently suffering with a cast im afraid that i will have to go for a surgery hope it will heal in 4 weeks im still a teenager so i have chance to heal faster
Best looking Super scooters so far on the market! Anyway, have you guys tried out the regenerative/e-brake feature on the GT2? I heard from users they updated their GT2's to enable that features and the horn beeping sound has been improved thanks to the latest firmware from Segway.
We need a portable smaller and lighter version equivalent to the Ninebot Max in size, but with more power than the Max. Personally, I don't see the point in going for a kick-type scooter with small wheels when it's not going to be portable anyways.
Thanks Mike. It's a very different experience riding any of the light heavyweights (10X, Vsett 10+, Phantom etc) vs these two power sleds. Enjoy your 10X! -Paul
The brake and throttle option! Waving doing a burnout🖐 😈 Cruise control button and traction control. Bluetooth sound effects! Hopefully in the near future, these features will be more common on more scooters. 👍
Quick question, for the range test, what's the weight of the rider? Also was your terrain mainly flat? What I mainly want out of this scooter is long cruises, I'm perfectly fine riding single motor, eco mode (19 - 24 avg/mph). I'm hoping to get 40 miles of range in that config, I weight 215 pounds and where I live its all flat terrain, what are my odds? Great video, I've probably watched it 7 times so far... :D Hope you guys do a deep dive! Kind regards, Chris.
I know its a year later but best buy is selling the GT1 for $1400... I want to grab one but I heard they had a big issue with burning controllers fairly quickly, anyone know if thats BS or if the issue was fixed? Every scooter I've had so far I've had to work on as much as I ride, I don't want to have to turn a single screw besides very basic maintenance.
The electric scooter is a modern charriot and shopuld be driven that way , My concept ....A 12 inch handle bar and at each end of it, would be a six bar going towards the driver ...Now ..at end of each 6 inch bar which are going toward the driver , would be a large set of E rings , the right ring would have a horizontal throttle and the left would be the brake , the rings would sit just below the driver chest ... the .Driver would have more control at high speeds , , no need for the hail mary grab and arcking his back ....He could positon himself standing straight up with confidence .
These are definitely easier to park in your living room, and won't leak oil :-) Also, you don't need a motorcycle license to ride one. I like having access to both motorbikes, for freeway use and scooters for surface streets. -Paul
Awesome review !! These are better than i thought BUT for the price im dissappointed that they have low portable handling - for that price its a shame they chinced on engineering foldable hand grips - def look forward to trying the grip n twist throttle though - still id say Vsett10 is the best over all with its foldable handles and reasonable price
Do you think the new price of 2500 for the GT2 makes it the best scooter that goes 43-45 mph? Also, is this new price a more accurate reflection of the value that the scooter brings? Got the GT2 Megatron edition @2700 excluding tax from Amazon as my first super scooter. Great videos! I’ve learned so much this week of escooters and emotos.
@@ESG-ElectricScooterGuide It's not a matter of like or dislike. On a motorcycle you clearly can clinch your thighs into the sides of the bike for some stability / support. There is non standing while zipping around on a twist throttle scooter. When you're falling back you accidently twist the throttle making the situation worse.
