"SEKRIT" engagement between Chinese and Russian tanks 

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>their crew was trained up to ukrainian standards I dont think you want crews trained to 2005 ukraine standards

When you get uptiered.........

S. Sudan didn't have enough RP or SL to research 3BM22 or 3BM29. Probably got cocky about the Type 55's and thought they could treat a new upgrade the same way. Seems more like a training problem then it is an equipment one.

I really want to see red effect playing war thunder

Last time I was this early, RedEffect and Alpha defence were still having a feud.

in addition to the fact that T72A is an older model , it also was not new tanks taken from the reserve , how long they served before and how long they later stood in storage , considering that Ukraineit never made this type it is not clear how repair was made and it is difficult to say in what condition they were passed especially for barrel wear .

My mans maybe a video on the TRUE worst Nato tank. The Tr-85M1 from Romania

1:59 lmao look at Crimea

Little story, South Sudanese Civil War also know as test grand for "which shcoll is better" for PLA Command Academy. Joint Operations College of the National Defense University VS National Defense University, Shi Jia Zhuang VS Bei Jing. We are really interested in the results.

Type 99 would be nice to see in the future

This is why T-34 tanks perform better ingame than historically due to mouse aim and gameplay UI, equalising tank crew training and optics amongst its opponents. Once you have better fire control and situational awareness, it makes a big difference.

I’ve always been a fan of the T-72s, T-80s and T-90s because of their looks and also how agile they are.

On tank to tank engagement, One has to consider the experience and skills of the crew, the stratedy employed and the available technology present.

"trained to Ukrainian standards" kinda laughed

Americans: sold arms to both the Brits and Nazis and made a lot of money. Chinese: sold arms to both Sudan and South Sudan and made a lot of money. Americans: my young padawan has learned well from the dark side.

Any possibility you'd do more ifv videos in the near future like warrior, bradley etc. I really enjoyed the previous ifv vids

I’m waiting for VT-4 MBT video

Hi, your videos are so well made and presented. Well done and keep up the great work :)

Excellent video, great information, thanks for your time and work

I bet Ukraine wished it didn’t sell those T-72AVs it had now.

Never heard of this before. Thanks for the video 🙏

I dont know , The looks of Kontakt-1 on the Tanks is just ... magnificent , love them ! (T-72AV/B T-80BV and T-64BV) :) Again perfect video , RedEdfect :)

Love this video can we see more about battles such as this

Pakistan just bought 300 VT-4 from China. Pakistan VT-4s also have better configurations than Thailand version, such as FY4. Would be an interesting topic in my opinion.

Thank you very much for the video, I've always wanted to know something about tanks on both sides of Sudan's civil war.

well there's a reason T-72s are dirt cheap

I sexually identify as a main battle tank

You often mention T-55 and Type 69 etc in your videos.. Could you make a video on these and the main variants which were the best and how they performed?

Whenever Russian weapons are defeated , it's definitely not the vehicle's fault. It's either "downgraded" version or crew went for "lunch " or crew is not properly 'trained" . They will never accept that the said weapon is thoroughly inferior . Case and point : recent pantsir in Syria

Very well done. Thank you.

Bro,do the TR-85 M1 next

Can you either review the Al zarrar or the VT4?

hey, ive finally found ur channel again

Nice reviews and I just subbed too.

Hello i am trying to find some info on the scope reticle for the ZTZ-96 but i can't find anything, could you help me with that? trying to add the custom sight into WT :b

If we need entertaining i suggest do Type 59D1 (Chinese) vs Arjun

Thank you for the research. In WW2 it happened that "inferior" tanks could take out a larger number of "superior" tanks. Simply by a tacticaly outmaneuvering of the enemy, superiour battlefield awarness by one side, Ambush, better crew, ..... The T72 was built as a easy to mass-produce cheap tank. It was not ment to be the best of the best of Soviet engineering .

3:51 you can see a dent on the right (our left) side turret cheek

Wow, I'm early! Also, what did China do to make Russia angry, eh? Just Kidding.

That is very technical analysis. War is a lot more complex than comparing which vehicle is better in a vacuum. Neither those capabilities which you had mentioned are of any use. Thermal imaging, fire control systems. These things are useless outside of specific types of engagements. What matters is how you employ said tank. In war, there were many aces who had performed far better than your average commander. Yet, we do not value performance of a vehicle based on performance of a commander. Nor we consider a Sherman tank to be superior machine just because it decimated German armor during one several battles during WW2.

"1930's to 1990's" *gaijin be like* LETS ADD A 2010 TANK

can you make a video on the Type-15 light tank?

Type96 = M1A1 at gulf war sounds reasonable, considering Type 96 went into service many years after the gulf war.

Hiya with mounting tension between India and China is it possible for you to make a vid comparing both their MBTs? I heard that some of their tanks cannot be used if war were to break out due to the terrain and height. Thanks

i would also like to note that the south sudenese are more tribal minded, meaning that there were a lot of rivalries within their ranks, which is pretty much why, with the common enemy (the arab northerners) out of the picture, they started infighting again, mostly over natural resources and government controll itself

hi Readeffect, would u like to make a episode about tank biathlon?

Hey redeffect can you do a video about the Australian Abrams thanks and show how obsolete they are

Since you also do IFVs, when are you gonna do the LAV family of 8x8? :3

More of this!

Hey Redeffect, can you make a video about the type 99 and type 99a?

According to what I heard people talking, it is quite normal, *for a Western military to look down Asian one* , unless that Asian nation is aligned with Western interest. They think that there is no way Asian military and Asian produced weaponry is equal or superior compare to Western one. *Until the Imperial Japanese military and Chinese People Volunteer Army prove otherwise that yes, they can stand up against Western military.*

Ammunition budgetary expenditure is a critical factor with Mbts I feel. If you go cheap & buy older munitions then you have handicapped your offensive performances.

It’s not surprise at all. Basically T-72AB it’s just T-72 with K1 era. Type 85 more comparable to T-72Б or more modern versions

we are already in year 2016 with vehicles in WarThunder ' - '

Can you do a video on the new M1A2C sep v3?

Can u make a video on the MGCS

One thing you completely leave out is that the south Sudanese army bought A handful of early production model T 72s due to the fact that most of the army your ex rebels and have no training in armored warfare other than using highly mechanized technicals with ZPU guns. Also given the fact the Sudan has a long military relationship with the Chinese bus as a result many of the tankers have higher experience operating heavy armor compared to the south Sudanese who are mostly skilled and guerrilla warfare many of the south Sudanese soldiers were able to knock out Chinese made tanks through the same guerrilla tactics that help them defeat the Sudanese state during their 30 to 40 year guerrilla war

hey could you do a video on the M1A2C and your opinions it?

Would Love to see these battles in Cgi

Make a video on indian t72 ajeya tanks which are operated in large numbers. Ur comparisons and analysis are quite good

Just saying, the map of USSR you used around 2:18 is a pre-WW2 map of USSR, where you can see that the Western part of Belarus and Ukraine was still under Polish administration.

good video

In training we shoot our old Leopard ones. They still use tanks from that age. Wow

Now can you do a comparison of Leopard 2A5, 2A6 and 2A7? thanks

Please Do A Video On Type 62 Light Tank Plz

Quick question, theres nothing out there to stop an apfsds round. A trophy system only works for rockets?

When you are at tier 8 but you went to a battle with tier 9's and 10's

They are actually the same generation of tanks. T-72 entered service in 1979, while Type-85 entered service in 1980. But you are right the one knocked out are not upgraded like the Chinese tanks.

Great video I never knew the t72 went against chinese tanks.

How about tactics? Or who saw who first?

Please make a video about TR-85M1

Why did you show the interwar USSR map when talking about late USSR?

0:15 Wow I didn’t know that

Can you make a video about how merkava mk1 proved effective against t72 in 1982

How tf do you manage to lose a tank? "Oopsies i forgot where I put it"

So who won wins modern t-72 or modern xing tank ?

What ammo were either side using?

So please a video on t72b3 vs type 96b

You're like the Mark Felton of tanks

"'their crew was trained up to ukrainian standards" - well there's your problem

what take out the Type 85 IIIm ? an ATGM or a T-72AV ?

There's rekt T62 in Beijing military museum which china capture in a border dispute, along with the shot down U2 recon plane reckt from the US in Serbia

Honestly China and Russia both had tanks that would have been considered crap to more modern tanks. But the thing is China and Russia could both be considered military powerhouses even rivaling Nato and western nations even when in periods of unrest and economic struggle. And I think we often for get that tanks are in a constant arms race. Sure Russia had better tanks at one point than China but then China had better tanks than Russia especially during the fall the soviet union and Russia was left to pick up the pieces and try survive on. I mean I read that the first T90 model was meant to be a short term design to maintain its tank fleets post soviet union and it was a means to flatten the unemployment curve that affected 2 major cities vital to the Russian Economy. which was an interesting way to slow or stop a bleeding economy and a feet in itself when considering the state a post USSR Russia was in. Which can explain for why initial models looked very similar to T72 B and B3 models. While china was able to have an economic boom allowing for the government and the military to experiment and come up with new tank designs over time. But yes the Type 85 II m is not to Abrams standards even though the turret looks similar kind of the type 96 models and 99s turrets look closer to the Abrams style turret. But the Type 85 II m and Type 96 are decent designs that are more than a match for any earlier T72 models and would slaughter tanks older than the T72. T55s , M60 pattons and leopard 1 tanks would be easy prey even for these second gen Chinese mbts. Even the Type 90 II can still be a pretty nasty tank for tanks of its generation or older and same with Chinese MBT 3000 or VT 4 exports. However most of these would struggle with 3rd and 4th gen mbts. The t14 armata is considered a 5 th gen but its in too small of numbers to really know how much of a top tier powerhouse mbt threat it could be on the battle field. And China now has the newer Type 99A which would be on par with most current gen tanks or at least a lot of them. I just think that China and Russia are going have a very small fleet of current gen tanks that will be at least competitive in the top tier mbt throw downs that could happen at some point without factoring in external elements and support for the tanks on the battlefields. However the bulk of their tank forces will probably be heavily modernized 2 gen and early 3rd gen mbts . And since Russia is relying still on the meh T72B3 and T72B3 2016 for a lot of its bulk tank forces along with some probably decent T80 BVMs and pretty good T90a models at least. They still would be at a disadvantage to china since I don't know how big the Russian T90A fleet is and well T80 BVs aren't at as good as T80U models even if they are upgraded to a modern standard. And I just think China just has more solid tank designs even for second line bulk forces that will most likely use T 90 IIs and various Type 96 mbt models and maybe even some MBT3000s/ VT4s depending if they produced them in sufficient numbers to be worth it. But that is just my opinion I do think China has improved its tank designs drastically over time and same with Russia but I do think China has learned a lot from Russian tank designs and built their own very capable designs from those foundations and continued to improve upon them. Which in fact made for pretty robust designs that were often superior and could out fight their Russian Counterparts. And I think they have even bested Russia several times during its hosted TankBialithion events over the years. But again just giving my opinion and that if I made some factual mistakes to then correct me lol. Personally I think tanks are cool and they have own design doctrines that they can use effectively in situations that they excel at. like Red Effect said both Russian and Chinese tanks are good in their own ways and when the crew is trained properly the tank can be used to its full potential because the crews have learned what their tank does well and what doesn't do well in battlefield environments.

@RedEffect Could you please make a video on T72 Combat Improved Ajeya of Indian Army and how it stacks up against modern tanks?

its totally depends on the crew training not much on the tank ( t -72 and type 85 II) estimating victory over the tank type is some thing wrong u cannot predict which tank would win or not e.g in the strong european tank challenge austrias 1990s leopard 2A5 takes the leads against m1a2 , leopard 2A7 and other nations tanks bcz of better performance and precise shots ... its depend how u use ur strategy and the tank in the better persepective

You should do M1A2 SEP V3 Abrams vs Challenger 2

All tanks are 'obsolete' and 'wurst' tanks in the 'wurrld'. Still waiting for Red Effects' best tank in the wurrld prototype to be rolled out!

Stalinium vs maolinium

What you think about t54M?

It seems that Russia/USSR had a long history of emphasizing armor and powerful main guns over advanced fire control systems. Perhaps they were not up to the technology, or perhaps it would simply have been unaffordable to include cutting edge fire control systems in their vast fleets of tanks. But even so, 1st gen night vision with infra red searchlights in 1979? Come on! That tech was 25-30 years old in 1979. I notice that more recent Russian tanks include good fire control systems.

4:48 that a 6 wheel off-road vehicle?! What's that?

Red can you make a video on China light tanks?!?

You clickbaited me man, was waiting for the engagement...

Hello red effect. Please make a video on Bangladesh military MBT2000, type59 DURJOY, and type 69s. You have a large number of viewers from Bangladesh and we would love you to make a video on our tanks. Thank you :)

>Ukrainian standards >Ukrainian army which was surrounded 7 times during active war phase in Donbass

Training of crews and crew awareness explains such outcomes actual vehicle has very little relevance considering their respective generations.

People : "copied?" Matsy : "well no, but actually yes"

When you have 100% trained crews but your enemy only has 50% trained crews

Yo my bro @redeffect.. Would you please to review Indonesian medium tank harimau hitam/kaplan. Thanks