Selling a Fully Loaded Iron Train for Big Money in Railroads Online! 

Betsy can still be used for shunting duties at the freight depot even if she can't work on the main line. Every depot needs a pilot engine Betsy can also be a rescue engine too

Don't worry about the creases in the track. They'll Iron out.

17:32 its funny how ingrained "up on two wheels is" when talking about cars nearly rolling over. Since that engine has 8 wheels, it was actually "up on four wheels" lol

Seeing trains carrying aluminium ingots regularly passing next to my home, i can tell you the devs are generous to allow three iron beams stacks on a single car. When the aluminium trains go by, and mind you these have modern full-sized cars with two 220 tons engines in front and two in the middle, the train looks positively funny as the cars look empty with two ingots in front of another and only two high with an insane amount of straps to hold them in place. You have to remember that a full ingot is absolutely massive: lets say every beam in the car is 10x30 cm for 5m long, that is a 1181 Kg piece, and the car carries 15 of these, meaning over 17 tons of iron!

You should park the gear engine over near the steep sections, then use less powerful but faster engines to bring stuff across the flatter sections. That way u don't have to deal with the slow speed of the gears, and you can just switch the engine when you get to the steep section

The real money isn't selling at the freight depot. Compounding the income by selling to the next industry is where it's at. The Climax is a mini beast, but it makes the Heisler feel like a rocket ship.

When loading rails, you could jus look at the wagon and it shows how much of units it holds

I think it'd be fine if the devs added automated train car loading as a toggle option, and how it'd work is that each time it operates automatically it costs some amount of money, like $1 or $2 or something, maybe a little more for higher materials.

I calculated it, you are actually just about under the weight limit of the cars even just with 3 batches of the bars. I approximated from the cart length, width and using a list of available cold-rolled steel beams that the biggest size you can buy is 6000x150x80mm (~236x6x3.15in), which has 94.2kg/m (~62.1lb/ft). Since each beam is 6m (~236in) long and there are 5 beams in each batch, the weight of each batch is roughly 2826kg (~6230lb). Since the cars weight limit is 20000lb, which is roughly 9072kg, 3 batches, weighing around 8478kg (~18690.8lb), are just below the limit. 4 batches would be 11304kg (~24 921.1lb), which is way over. It would be possible to maybe take 4 batches or even go all the way up to 5 (14130kg~31 151.3lb), since the safety coefficient of most devices is in the range from 1.5 to 2 (safety coefficient is applied to straining limits of products, where the failing load is divided by this coefficient to calculate the "safe loading limit"), however, if the train car is old, malfunctioning or damaged, that could overstrain it.

This is what im waiting for. I get so excited if Kan Uploads a new railroads online video. Keep up the good work man...

The fact you let the heisler coast down the hill so fast makes the video exiting

You can just stand next to the wood and throw it, you don't have to run from firewood depot to the engine just throw it.

I've pulled 15 loaded lumber cars with 5 empty hoppers up a steady 3% to the iron mine with the Heisler, it's a beast. (I bet it could do more, the links will probably fail before it does.) EDIT: If you hover at the unload point of a car after placing the first item you want to load it will tell you the max number of items for a full car to prevent wasting material.

I want to see the next train that solves some problem be named "The Solver" or "The Solution" or maybe "Resolution"

Maybe you can make some money for when you will make this a public server to buy a lot of Betsy's for the people. Or if you wanna spice up the experience, you can buy a bunch of different trains for each task.

For future reference, you can check the car after one piece of material is loaded and it will tell you one out of the maximum amount the car holds.

I'm curious how the physics works, if you hooked a fast engine up along with a gear engine, could you use the gear to drag the train around steep parts and actually drag the geared engine faster than its normal travel speed with the quicker engine?

Won’t save you too much time but you could only brake the cars on the ends of the shunt line so even if the cars got disconnected they should stay in place

Hey Kan. If you want to put your Betsy to good use consider this: Make a 18-car train for the Heisler, and have the Betsy between the first 9 cars and the last 9 cars. The Heisler should be able to pull 18-ish cars and the dead weight of Betsy, at least on 3% grades (since it barely fails on 6% with 12 cars). If you split the train in front of Betsy, that will give you two 9-car trains, which should be easy enough to load/unload. You just have to remember to fuel Betsy's fire first thing once you reach a station. Betsy should build enough pressure in the time it takes you to load the first 9 cars using the Heisler. Then you can immediately load Betsy's half and re-attach it to the Heisler's back, and you're ready to go to your next stop.

Loving your Railroads Online videos. Signs sound like a good update idea. Signs like slow for corner or signs indicating which lane is a pass-through on a shunt yard.

Kan. Kubbo carried 4 raw iron cars and 16 lumber and the Hiesler didn't bog at all. But he did get the slip glitch at 20 reg.

as someone who bought a class 70, the thing is insane, it pulls 21 loaded carts up a 5 degree incline with ease, honestly wouldn't be surprised if it can pull 30+ cart up that incline

Just want to say I look forward to seeing this series whenever I turn on RU-vid. Keep up with the great content. So happy you are a RU-vidr. Ty Kan

If you have more load on hiesler it can go to like 70% reg with 20 cars of these or 12 or 15 of oil i have seen it Edit - hiesler can make a 10% hill with 15 or 20 cars 12 in oil maybe more

I think it would be amazing if the devs added an advanced game mode where you start with the same things but you have to maintain your locomotives and cars based off of the way you use them, brake shoes especially, but having to lubricate everything and such would be a good idea in my opinion

I love this!~ Yeah, probably get a loop at the Iron mine. And maybe get 2 or 3 main lines set for multiple trains.

If you have trouble at stations with long trains, you can create landmarks at points where to stop to load the wagons. I use a short piece of track next to the line for that.

I think the best solution for the smelter is to have a shunt yard full of cars for a Betsy to load partial length sections then connect filled cars to the max pulling weight of the Heisler so all the Heisler operator needs to do is to connect to the full length of cars and pull it up to where they need to go. Ideas for faster transport: -For the wood products to iron mine you can do the route that Kos did to make it a shallow climb for faster but less powerful trains as they will have no problem going down hill with the empty cars after, just need to make sure they can make it back up the 3% slope. Could also make it a direct route from the saw mill to the iron mine without interfering too much with other tracks by crossing right at the mill then have it as its own line or to load the wood products you go to the left side of the water then slope up to have a bridge and eventually cross over the main track down, this can make it so the 'y' on the hill isn't necessary but you'll need to make a second rail line down to the smelter. -Have the Heislers run from the smelter to top of the hill where you could have a shunt yard to drop of leaving goods for faster trains to transport over to the depot or manufacturing facility and pick up empty cars to bring back down

Maybe you can use the quick engines for transport on shallow land and have a geared engones at steep hills to take trains up and, depending on the setup, down as well.

I often see trains from the Whyalla Steel Works pass through Adelaide and they only carry single layers of the thick raw beams. From a distance the cars look empty but it's not the height, it's the weight.

Loving this series!

Perhaps consider an unmanned gravity-run from the iron-mine to the smelter. Where the ore-carts just need a nudge, a disco, and a bit of handbrake. (test-run would need to be manned, ofc, to determine maximum handbrake that'll clear the route). Yes, I know it's more the sort of thing Dapper would do (since it'd literally be a roller-coaster), but it would save time. Where you'd just need to drop a porter with a few cars of cordwood to retrieve the ore-carts and bring them back up to the sawmill. A similar direct-route (one-way) could be made from coal-mine to ironworks, just need to push it clear and switchback the locomotive at the ridge so it remains on the uphill-side. From there the Mogul could handle the carts on the flatlands and one or two of the lesser engines could be dedicated sawmill-runners and a shuntman to retrieve and unload carts at the smelter.

If you click on your cars after you load one piece it will show you how many total you can load of that given item on that car. The iron was showing 3/3 at the top left

I like how they removed the cost of logging. Going broke from removing trees while laying track was really annoying.

I feel like I'm in heaven when you poat Railroads online :)

I love the videos, keep them up!

a very smart idea for a fast powerful train, will require 2 people for easy use. With the gear train on the front because of the torque, then put the Eureka right behind the Heisler and leave the Eureka on full reg full reverser for extra power and speed.

Coming out of the freight depot, should consider triple track to a double side by side, so there's extra room and easier to pass one another, if multi-player is the over all goal, more ways in and out of a high traffic area wouldn't be a bad idea

Some things that could be added to the 3rd person control UI to ease confusion; -Electrical /lights symbol near the word 'generator' -Compressor with an air compressor symbol and brake marking -Sand level quick reference so you don't take off empty on accident -HP / TQ type tortoise and hair markings on the reverser slider -Colored dummy light (bold brake symbol on) for locks/brakes not being released, because stopped mid grade due to dragging a soggy daiper in populated server traffic is embarrassing Some side tab items -Quick reference page /right click type system to quickly refresh on what does what -Consumption rate tables to calculate endurance [similar to how planes have gph rates] -Load tables so you don't lose product overloading the cars In the future, maps could have a heatmap of grades and horizontal friction zones to better optimize your routing. Distance markers were also a good idea to help long trains loading. Another thing could be a signal code reference guide and adding advanced sign placements. Late model builds that go 100mph and have 100 cars behind them appreciate this. Also... there needs to be a meme Betsy [Thomas the Heresy Engine] added to the game after they nerf the normal one to realistic [horrible consumption rates, but it will unstick everything]; this is definitely part of my forklift strapped to a flatbed build.

I think it would be cool if you made the loop around the other side of the valley from the sawmill, kind of like cosmo. If you made the grade shallower, you could use that side for going up, then the track you already have for going down to the smelter. That way the 6% grade is all downhill. Just a thought.

Love the vids kan keep them coming

I gotta say.. this episode.. I'm up to date with your RO vids, but watching back and re watching you, dapper, clown and other RO streams....... the Pine Valley Log Co. !!!!! I am from Ontario Canada. I grew up in Pine Valley. my grandfather had a hobby saw mill. I know nothing about trains,, whooot whooot! but the track laying, growing a company.. the game world, in a fun way and great tunes too.. i now own Railroads Online cheers and maybe see you on the rails

If only it was the real big boy locomotive lol wouldn't be struggling very much. For those that don't know, union pacific had built the steam locomotive called the big boy. It is huge and built to haul freight over the mountains. Speed was around 80 mph. One of my favorites. Dwarfs the last hope.

Not sure about overseas, but in Australia we would never put all handbrakes on an empty rake of wagons, especially on a flat grade in a yard. With those small rakes I'd imagine minimum of 3 would be sufficient and save you some walking/time.

You should have gear and pulling trains at hills and places where it's needed to add to a train but then run the faster trains for the flat and easy sections. It would be so cool if they implemented the thing that's used irl where you use cars or another train on a parallel track and they're attached via pulley with one going up and one down

Already have enough engines and trackage for a multiplayer. One player using the mogul to run logs to the mill and cordwood to the smelter, another making the iron mine run with the Heisler. Build an interchange yard at the sawmill and add more flatcars and one player can load a train at the mill with beams and planks for the mine and the player on the iron mine run can haul the loaded cars up with the hoppers and swap out the empties. Could also make a transfer yard at the smelter and exchange out empty and full trains for the iron. Might could dedicate a Betsy to the task other than needing to build additional water towers and firewood depots. But multiplayer with dedicated tasks is achievable with your maps now. Getting a line up to the coal mine and ironworks will expand it even more. I wouldn’t want a consolation on your track work though as many sharp bends, I’d either buy a Climax or another Heisler.

Kan You're gonna love the D&RG Class 70.

When i fill the smelter with corewood i also have 6 wagons, but i keep the betsy on it, and i first drive head first into the siding, drive around the building, then back into it with the other 3, i find it easier and with less work

The load/unload UI shows the wagon capacity for the current material.

Look at the interface when you are in position to unload the car. It'll tell you what the capacity is for that type of good. This also works on partial loads while you're still filling it up.

Can you make a crossover track in the next video? For multiplayer, of course.

Around 9:35 you can tell the train was still on the track you moved... Patience is key.

I think it would make most sense to use the geared engines for the steeper bits, and switch it off for a class 70 when you reach flatter sections as that would likely reach higher speeds

The thing is ahoving longs into the train fuel store carrying a few logs at a time is how they did it normally. With coal trains they just dump it in with bucket cranes. But logs well their long so for max stroage you have to stacl them by hand in a orderly fashion.

Maybe make the shuntyard for the iron carts at the Y and hook it on when taking wood up to the mine. Then take the whole thing back down to the smelter, leaving the ironcarts behind again when passing the y

Hey Kan I thought of this right now I think this could work so you could be doing iron while someone delivers cord wood if you make the cord wood line a turn like the raw iron line then connect the cord wood line where ever the cord wood line lines up with

if you changed your wood plank/beam trains that go to the iron mine to carry 30 of each (5 planks, 10 beams, I think the Heisler could pull that, and staggered to not waste any during unloading) then after 2 deliveries of wood (60) bring back a 6 car iron ore train (60) to the smelter. also a balanced iron beam/rail load could be 13 cars, 3 x rails (30), and 10 x bars (30). then only 2 trains of 13 plank cars to remove the finished products so with only slight adjustments to your current trains the ratios would be wood to mine : iron to smelter : smelter to depot 2 : 1 : 2

I have a feeling that railroads online is going to eventually be on VR.

Can't wait to see the iron though track and you could do the same for the smelter so at the top of the valley you can go left or right

Love this series

Woohoo! Another video! Kan’s on a winner!

The class 70 is a beast we do up to 4% with 17 cars (2 hoppers 15 plank). I would definitely recommend getting it.

eyyy before 1k views Love the content kan :)

we need more of this!!!!!! and we need it now!!! xD

Love your content

Heres an idea, you remember hiw Dapper had a giant bridge going around the mountain to get to the iron mine? What if you were to do that but keep the hill 6% track so it would be one giant loop? It would witch off closer to the lumber mill and go around the mountain at a reletively low grade then you can go down the 6% side of the track almost straight to the smelter

I feel like it would be smart to build a shunt yard at each building to store the relevant cars, plus you could use a shunt yard at the saw mill to store filled cars; have trains bringing in stuff from all over the map and dropping them off there, and have someone whose job is just to run a Betsy bringing the cars from there to the freight depot

There is a good way to know how much of anything you can put on each car, just add a little bit or one of something and look at the car stats. That should tell you how much you could load onto your cars

Why not just attach Betsy to the end of the train or just behind the main engine. Use two engines to pull one big train. Idk if weight has been an issue haven’t watched the full video but I feel like that should be an option.

@Kan gaming. Love your vids!! Keep up the good work.

9:40 a little bit past the actual thing that you use to switch the track is that actual track that gets moved to switch the track and the back of that iron car was on it. where the rails cross is where they switch and if your passed that your good(i hope this helps)

i would recommend holding off on buying the climax right now, only cause it seems to have more bug issues than the heisler. another hint for ya, once you put one item on a car, if you look at it like you're gonna unload it, it will tell you how much it can hold. the heisler has been my favorite engine so far, but i can't wait to get the class 70 and do a long coal train ( even if it's just a one time run). been really enjoying the videos! keep improving your rail and watch out for those yeet glitches!

HEEYYYYY 2 RAILROADS UPLOADS RELATIVELY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER LETS GOOOOO

The Class 70 is Ultimate Performer, It can haul HUGE Loads up hills at almost its Full Speed with barely any problems, its also CRAZY fast

The devs should make it where if you’re train car is full, it puts it back in the storage pile.

yes kan more reailroads i love it

They could add fire wood loader that you can hook up to your train to load wood fast and to balance things so its not to op could add a stream engine were it needs a little water and wood to keep it running and maybe loads 25 fire wood

Cool!

Man I just came back from school and this is the first thing I wach

Pretty sure some of the brakes on the cars were still on since when kan went to take them off, they weren't all turning the same way...it'd be nice to have a little indicator on the HUD to show when brakes are on, like a red brake symbol in the top right corner, it won't get in the way either sine the only time it shows would be stationary.

Choo choo! Can’t wait to get this game & my pc :)

They should make a split the when driving from the way the combine. The train goes straight but when the train is coming from ether split it can go through It would make it so you do not have to switch as much and help make loops

Ya Kan the standered locomotives are use on 4-2 persecent and the way that a line irl would be build is that is stedly increasing on those persecents usely from what i hear the path around the waterfall in game is a good way of dealing with it but if is become a problem with the grade the alternative would be to loop the line in question over itself kinda like the georgetown loop. Also i can see you makeing a yard that can act as a meeting point for the geared locmtives and the standered locomotives so it be easyer to trade the needed goods and make a long train the do not need to be pulled by a geared locomotive.

The car that fell off was still on the part of track on the switch that switches the track direction so when you switched it the car was still on it and it collided with the changing track.

You really should only use the geared loco for any climbing duties. On flat level ground to mild climbing, all the other locos will be able to pull just as much if not more and do it faster. They're build to tackle high grantent rails, not really do flats. Also yes as others are saying, you should be using a smaller locomotive like Betsy just for shunting and sorting out trains, ie, getting cars ready to be hiched up to a locomotive so when its all coupled up, they can pull out ASAP

the mogul works pretty well so long as you keep the grades below 4%. if you can do that the mogul can pull quite a bit of weight.

Need to up your rails around Lumber mill, Smelter and line from the pass to Iron ore.

I didnt expect to be this early. I Love this game and series. Also, React to memes.

Im pretty excited to see where the devs are gonna take this game. It would be awesome to operate a Big Boy or a Challenger size loco

Nice well done kan

I haven’t played this game nor do I know how detailed it is but normally can’t you back down the reverser in other games and add a little more regulator to increase the top speed. It’s at least that way in Train Simulator which is what I play the most.

When you mention Betsy, remember that time she dapper lost Betsy twice in the railroad.

You can use heisler even on 10% grade with 18 full oil cars on 55% reg it's like nothing, but don't stop it's little bit hard to start moving again

The class 70 can haul over 20 loaded cars (we haven't tested iron ore or coal with this long a consist, and we're not in the southern part of the map yet) I hauled a 30 car consist up to the iron mine loaded with processed wood yesterday and it made it up without many problems (going slow since we haven't fully clear the tracks after the tree update) also, the Heisler (and Climax to a lesser degree) will just jump switches of it's not set in your favor, the cars still won't, but at least the engine will be fine. The class 70 also has slightly more tractive effort IIRC, can't remember exactly how much off the top of my head

I think the next video should be all about ironing-out your existing rail network.

Kan you should run a downhill roller line for multiplayer so when you've got to the top of the track you can just unhitch them empty trucks with a player and they manage the speed using the brakes all the way back while the train continues its journey impractical but fun

kAn's track builder: *So, how much shunting space do u want?* kAn:: *ALL OF IT!!!*

It does tell you how much each car holds in the upper left hand corner. Look at 23:42. You might have to load at least one of that type for it to show.

With locomotive with tenders like the cookie the Eureka and the hesler you need to dump the whole water tower into them to fill them up all the way cuz the 5000 water is what is in the boiler so with the tender full you can have 20000-30000 water

This game needs Steam Workshop capabilities. I want my Thomas and Friends dammit.