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SELMER MARK VI vs YAMAHA YTS-82Z ATELIER TENOR 

Dan Forshaw
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How does the YAMAHA YTS-82Z ATELIER TENOR play against my 1956 Selmer Mark VI?
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Комментарии : 76   
@johnfilardi
@johnfilardi Год назад
This video out four years now I still can’t make up my mind ,
@peggysioux5yrs
@peggysioux5yrs 3 года назад
Brilliant video. Loved the split screen it was brilliant. Xxx
@billducker7404
@billducker7404 4 года назад
Misterbusy thanks my experience was similar. Sold a 6 some 40 years ago and never found another one. Whether it's just a sound you have in your head from many years ago and listening to the great players of the past but that sound is unsurpassed as far as you are concerned. Beauty is in the head of the beholder! God bless thanks Dan for your blog
@bobblues1158
@bobblues1158 5 лет назад
Great fun Dan! Take the stress test and take only the Yamaha on the gig! I have been through this same scene many times.
@760Piper
@760Piper 5 лет назад
Hi Dan, I give the MK6 a slight edge with the lower stuff. But when you put more air in, the Yamaha is brighter. But for those of us who will never own a 6, this sounds like a good option BTW...I thought that other Dan was a decent player......
@DynamixWarePro
@DynamixWarePro 5 лет назад
I got both right in the blind test. I preferred the Mark VI as I found the Yamaha, while good in the first part of the blind test, in the second part I found ever so slightly too bright when pushed but its quite a good sounding though.
@stanleysteamcar
@stanleysteamcar 5 лет назад
Good test Dan. I still like that ritch dark side. Versatile horn I would say
@wiledmanrandall
@wiledmanrandall 5 лет назад
I like what your doing with this. The Yamaha sounds so close. There is something to the body of the sound of your MK-VI but I wonder if the sound of the Yamaha will change anymore after a little more playing time.
@TXMrMike
@TXMrMike 5 лет назад
Wow they’re both great. Thought the best was Sax 1 and I was hoping so much it was going to be the Yamaha.
@rb676
@rb676 4 года назад
Is the 82Z not brighter than the 875EX, by intention? If so, how does it compare to the Mark VI? Where would the 875EX be on the graph? Thank you!
@bobblues1158
@bobblues1158 4 года назад
Hey Dan-the date is October 1, 2019 . Have not heard from you for a long time. Hope all of you are good. Really miss your vlog.
@gillbecket3192
@gillbecket3192 2 года назад
I found that playing just the D side key as an alternative to the normal "break" D fingering the Yamaha 62S was very flat compared with my Mauriat 67R alto. I know this was a tenor comparison but I also found the Yamaha quite sharp at the top end of the normal range.
@landismaitland-whitelaw5040
@landismaitland-whitelaw5040 4 года назад
I liked #2 the best...rich open sound...#1 great sound more closed...or thick sounding...both great horns.
@dylan8382
@dylan8382 5 лет назад
Yamaha for me on that test. By the way - Dan 2 should be a regular in the vlogs. I hate to say it, but he's funnier, more handsome and blows a mean altissimo ;-)
@jamiearyan9058
@jamiearyan9058 3 года назад
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@landynerick2477
@landynerick2477 3 года назад
@Jamie Aryan Yea, I have been watching on kaldroStream for years myself :)
@kadejaxx701
@kadejaxx701 3 года назад
@Jamie Aryan definitely, been using kaldrostream for years myself :D
@rickgraham786
@rickgraham786 5 лет назад
Hey Dan. Fantastic video as usual. Both sound nice. I was really feeling Tenor Madness! If I had to choose one it would be the classic. The MK VI gives the most flavor to my ear.
@davidhopkinson4080
@davidhopkinson4080 5 лет назад
Played all top saxophones at sax and co. Yamaha tenor yss875ex topped eveything.Was hoping Keilwerth would be better but sadly no.
@buckdebosses2407
@buckdebosses2407 4 года назад
I have a Yamaha 62 II that I'm fine with (I'm not a pro, but I've played here & there), but if anybody offered me either one of these monsters, I sure wouldn't turn it down.
@israelmedrado6981
@israelmedrado6981 Год назад
esté Yamaha tem um bom som!!!! bem próximo do Mark Vl. os dois são muito bom mesmo!!!!
@jrudovsky
@jrudovsky 5 лет назад
The Yamaha in the blindfold test sounded better to me.
@fafaletek1
@fafaletek1 4 года назад
Hi guys. This is not the neck of a MARK VI ?
@eirinnabu
@eirinnabu 2 года назад
Although I love a mk6, I thought the Yamaha sounded much more centered.
@zaxophne
@zaxophne 5 лет назад
Hi Dan,What oversized neck screw are you using on that 82Z?
@jacobshaw8825
@jacobshaw8825 5 лет назад
It's the standard neck screw that comes with the horn
@joshlessinger8341
@joshlessinger8341 5 лет назад
Did it hurt to play the Yamaha? I know you had that custom work done on your VI which made it pain free to play
@DanForshaw
@DanForshaw 5 лет назад
Hi Joshua, not at all it the Yamaha was really easy to play, in fact when I went back to the VI - my finger started hurting!
@biedera7
@biedera7 3 года назад
To me, it seems that Selmer got this soft tone that made Stan Getz sound so unique. And the Yamaha has this precise one. More clearly. Now it might be that it is imagination or that I am completely wrong. But to compare them is like comparing a German Mercedes S-Class with an English Bentley. Hardly ever the same. And really a question of character you want to put in your sound. As both might have massive advantages in their categories. I could not decide which one to take. But as I admit being a fan of Stan Getz, who brought me to jazz together with Dave Brubeck - I would try Selmer - even tough I played Yamaha for 20 years as a beginner and still love the precision of my Japanese doll. ;o) And the black versions of both are stunningly beautiful and sexy like hell. Fortunately, I do not have the money ... ;) But thanX for that comparison. Really nice work.
@benhostetler268
@benhostetler268 4 года назад
The Yamaha sounds just as good if not better and it is far more reliable. If it came down to buying either one I’d buy the Yamaha. I don’t have to worry about it suddenly not working like it normally does even and I’m gaining just as much tonal options if not more.
@pimeye
@pimeye 5 лет назад
Weird. Preferred the Yamaha in the blindfold test, but the Mk VI was far ‘superior’ on Tenor Madness. I did miss the grey jumper but perfectly understand that it was too warm.
@garysax6400
@garysax6400 5 лет назад
pimeye same here pimeye I was just gonna make that comment when I saw your comment
@DanForshaw
@DanForshaw 5 лет назад
About the grey jumper or the saxophone?? :)
@RogerNordling
@RogerNordling 5 лет назад
No contest, the Mark 6 has a more complex, thicker tone than the 82z. It would have been interesting hearing the stock 6 neck though.
@kennethellison9713
@kennethellison9713 2 года назад
You are so right. The neck makes a HUGE difference. In the final analysis, there are SO many good horns available today that the horn that feels good to you is the best horn. I'm luck enough to have had many Mark VI horns, tenors and altos. I prefer the way they feel. And when I'm comfortable behind the horn I play better.
@PrimusPilus73
@PrimusPilus73 Год назад
Dan - What neck are you using on that VI?
@DanForshaw
@DanForshaw Год назад
Hi KB Sax Vanguard neck ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-AZ0UfecFN68.html
@creatividadeinnovacionirso9622
que manera de meter fruta el el blues papaaaa jajajja! capo
@KonstaSedneff
@KonstaSedneff 5 лет назад
Both saxes great sound.
@yvosergio1992
@yvosergio1992 2 года назад
C1, G1 or V1 neck?
@DanForshaw
@DanForshaw Год назад
G1 neck IIRC
@jhlongjr75
@jhlongjr75 Год назад
#2 clearly the Yamaha. Louder due to the neck angle and brighter. I have both horns and it was obvious from the first notes.
@stangetz534
@stangetz534 5 лет назад
Oh man I choose #2
@ruicalcada1664
@ruicalcada1664 3 года назад
I chose 1 because the trebles of sax 2 were too bright to be from mrk 6
@Hexachords
@Hexachords 5 лет назад
Is the Yamaha YTS-875 EXB a different model or just a different skin? ;)
@ajkirkcaldie
@ajkirkcaldie 5 лет назад
Different
@JunkMailBoxStuff
@JunkMailBoxStuff 4 года назад
The layers of black lacquer dampen the horn's ability to vibrate freely, so a darker tone is produced. It is not a black nickel, like a Keilwerth shadow or similar finish.
@mprenn1547
@mprenn1547 2 года назад
my guess before the reveal: Sax #1 is Mark VI.
@FernandoFerreira-kf6kz
@FernandoFerreira-kf6kz 4 года назад
Dammit that 6 just can't be beat. I want one but don't want a the hassle of a used old horn man.
@KrisVComm
@KrisVComm 4 года назад
IMHO the Yamaha has much better focused sound and dynamic response. I love things about the MKVi and the Yamaha. For my taste the Yamaha is a better sound for cutting through a band.
@gsco82
@gsco82 5 лет назад
I think that you made the Yamaha sound a little bit better. I own a Mark VI, which I love to play, as it is fairly easy to get good tone through the entire range. The aspect which cannot be seen or heard in a video is the ergonomics and feel of the keys. This is where Selmer has done really well.
@antylemingable7128
@antylemingable7128 5 лет назад
The neck of Mark VI is original? It looks like from SBA...
@DanForshaw
@DanForshaw 5 лет назад
It's a KB Sax Neck Vanguard neck ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4X9Td6VW2XU.html
@rayrayray4116
@rayrayray4116 Год назад
I think the guy on the right had better intonation while the guy in the left was more technically proficient. Maybe I could differentiate more consistently if they were playing the same horn. Understanding their set up was the same really added to the validity of the test and playing Maybe if they switched horns one could better tell whom the better player could be
@DanForshaw
@DanForshaw Год назад
:) :) :)
@oleflogger6828
@oleflogger6828 3 года назад
Some "balanced" test? The Yamaha puts out much more volume in every example.
@michaelstewart7285
@michaelstewart7285 4 года назад
Both good but Yamaha more open sound
@stangetz534
@stangetz534 5 лет назад
I picked #2, yamaha clearly better to me on this test and I play mark vi. Did you keep it?
@Hexachords
@Hexachords 5 лет назад
Nice video Dan ! Much prefer the sound of the Yamaha ;)
@josedecarvalho5459
@josedecarvalho5459 5 лет назад
Selmer it's better, I had one i sold it I'm kicking myself in the ass now
@James-gk8ip
@James-gk8ip 2 года назад
Yami all the way. I was surprised.
@tinahughes2227
@tinahughes2227 5 лет назад
mark 6 defantly better if you dont have a mark 6 i can understand why you would have a yamaha but if you have mark 6 i dont see the point great volg alot of fun thumbs up
@josedecarvalho5459
@josedecarvalho5459 5 лет назад
Selmer to the bone
@carzeen3601
@carzeen3601 5 лет назад
Yamaha much brighter, better sound for me.
@arthurwilliams3622
@arthurwilliams3622 5 лет назад
The Mark VI sounds better.
@vladimirlopez7840
@vladimirlopez7840 4 года назад
Yamaha is a better instrument. Sure the MK VI has this cult following it does have a great sound but there are far more bad MK VI than good ones. Their age also requires them to have more maintenance.
@jonviol
@jonviol 5 лет назад
Yamaha has superior intonation by far. Selmer has irritating left stack C/B /A/G interval spacings which are so obvious --get a tuner on it and hear. Or learn to play the fiddle to develop real listening . Or Hilary Hahn for a lesson in perfect pitch .
@mprenn1547
@mprenn1547 2 года назад
on this, I agree! I'm lucky: mine is pretty decent as far as intonation. But I have a MK VI alto that is way, way off...
@zvonimirtosic6171
@zvonimirtosic6171 5 лет назад
Love your videos, and your playing, and optimistic attitude. But, I say the opposite about the Mark VI; Selmer Mark VI is an overpriced piece of old tin, that hardly ever worked consistently, even when new. It got its undeserved fame on false premises and common ignorance: very dedicated musicians worked their arses off to make that unreliable, inert, flawed, leaking, highly resisting, always in need of a repairman horn to sound interesting. Because they had no Yamahas back then - if they had, Selmers would fly through the window. And now, when we have far superior instruments, we tend to ignore them and ignore more honest offers because they are 'not there yet' when compared to the old Mark VI buckets.
@tboy5443
@tboy5443 4 года назад
You got it right. Selmer is hyped. The built quality is very lacking in precision. Always disappointed. If any horn to go by. Try an lda Maria Grassi. Professional 2000, or the Prestige 2000 model or Wonderful if you want a Mark VI that is ten times cheaper. Grassi > Selmer
@mprenn1547
@mprenn1547 2 года назад
I own a Mark VI, and largely disagree...there is some overhyping, for sure. But to my ears the 6 has that meaty center to the sound that is not quite found elsewhere. A Trevor James is the closest thing today, or a P Mauriat. I am curious as to how much more playable a Yani or Yamaha is though, as compared to a M6. Mine is a bit worn out...but I am keeping it!
@zvonimirtosic6171
@zvonimirtosic6171 2 года назад
​@@mprenn1547 There are so many variables in the saxophone sound production. But what I wanted to state above, is that Atelier Yamaha Z is more versatile instrument, and MKVI is not. Atelier can be matched with any neck, mouthpiece and reed, and will create any type of sound, and do any music genre consistently, thanks to superior attention to detail and consistent intonation across the registers. Mk VI can't do it even remotely; it will always have issues, as it must be played in the "comfort zone" where it performs okay, and outside of it, it breaks apart.
@mprenn1547
@mprenn1547 2 года назад
@@zvonimirtosic6171 now you've made me curious...have you played any yanis or a Trevor James? I love my six but am open minded....I hear modern horns are more playable.
@Kaoson73
@Kaoson73 4 года назад
I think your Mark vi is an inferior one. Sorry but this is not what I remember as the Mark vi tone.
@tboy5443
@tboy5443 Год назад
He wasn't using a vi neck but an after market neck by Kb sax . So it won't totally sound like a mark vi
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