Seminar - Panel Discussion with Joseph Shulam - Problems in Understanding Paul on April 1st 2016 

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His name is Yeshua.

Amen, they need our prayers. Thank God for Rabbi Joseph Shulam and One for Israel ministry. And all who are helping to bring more back to faith, men such as Dr. James Tour

I disagree, or actually I'd say Paul would disagree. In one of Paul's epistles he says there is no jew or greek in Christ Jesus and Paul was definitely in Christ. The problem is obvious to me what the problem is that jews have a problem with Paul and that's pride. Paul was personally sent by Jesus and Jesus says if people don't receive those he sends then they don't receive him nor the Father. I'm so tired of people thinking just because they've studied for years they think they know something. 1st corinthians 8:2 and if any man think that he knows anything he knows nothing yet as he ought to know."

@@nikao7751 The original poster is saying that, I think: Paul taught the true Torah message, but was saying it the right way to reach each group. But Shulam is still holding onto "Jewishness" as special.

@@clarekuehn4372 I believe we need to be precise with the whole counsel of God, and after reading the original comment here I noticed that they wrote that Jesus did not abolish the law but upheld it, but that's not what Jesus says, he says he fulfilled it and that's a big difference, and one of the things I get from Jesus saying not one jot or title shall pass is that we are to take the scriptures seriously and use precision and remain teachable and correctable so as to get at the truth and heart of a matter.

I think this could be true, that it is meant to be an enlargement of Judaism to the world. It is really significant that so many Jews are now believing Yeshua was the Messiah and many Christians like me are now becoming really awake to the origins of their faith, it seems to me like something important is happening. I think the true faith is being revealed to everyone and we will finally come together!

Ileana Serra Very well said sister. May the peace, joy, hope & love of our Lord Yeshua Hamashiach be with you.

if Apostles or Paul did not like to call themselves as Christians, then they would have protested not to call them as Christians. Even before Agrippa he would have objected, rather he wished him to follow Christ. This is not a head breaking issue . The issue is Constantine's take over of the Church authority and made a paradigm of making it as religion and bringing corruption.

Sda follows Ellen G White....not Jesus. Many mistake them for Christianity, but they are in fact a cult as Lucky Man said

@@rexmontana3058 Christians follow Paul, not Yeshua! What Yeshua taught was Karaite Judaism, not Christianity. Shalom

Surely Ailina, you will be used of the Lord, greatly.

I can assure you he was not at all angry. He funds these discussions at his own expense and they are a highlight of his for spiritual growth which he offers freely to the world. His expressions could be do to his concentration on what is being said and where he plans to lead the discussion from there. But angry he is not. I attended in person and can vouch for this.

it is a pleasure

Fantastic! Selah!

Acts 15:5 begins with the question you pose. Acts15:7-11 gives Peter's response, 15:13-21 gives James response. 15:22-29 shows the whole congregation's response. Apparently your assessment Paul's teaching is directly contradicted by James, Peter and other disciples is not the record according to Acts 15 where the question is addressed by the congregation in Jerusalem. .

@@fleetwd1 you do understand that acts of the apostles was written by Luke who tells you he never met Yeshua or any of his disciples. Luke is simply repeating rumors which we are told through the Torah and through, the Torah that is written upon our heart, we are not supposed to accept as the truth. Neither Peter nor James is speaking in acts of the apostles! You are simply repeating rumors when you say that they were! Acts of the Apostles is written for the sole purpose of promoting Paul who was attempting to, and did his job very well, keep Gentiles from converting to Judaism. It seems that as one of Paul's many followers he has successfully dissuaded you from following Yeshua too. I do really appreciate your channel even if I think all of your guests speak incredibly poorly about the God they claim to follow! Shalom

@@tombutler7296 shalom

good question. But I do not have an answer for you.

you are observant. However these Panel discussions happen in the afternoon on a weekday. the lectures combined with these are evening programs. so the younger attendees are likely working or at school etc., etc., during panel discussions. There are plenty of younger participants in ministries associated with the Library just not on weekdays at 2:30-4 pm.

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Thank you for your interest and comment. the best information on how Paul and 1st Century Jews understood the relationship of Jesus to the Shema. this short video Speaking on the work of David Capes. a playlist of a longer discussion of these issues by David is found in the description just click on more to see the link to David Capes lectures. my video is not listed but available using the link. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7vbtnMVZGvM.html

if they did not here, Joseph has dealt with it in other places. The context reveals it was a vision given to Peter to prepare him for the visit from the Gentiles coming. it had nothing to do with food laws. He says this in several places that the vision had to do with men God was calling unclean and the Holy Spirit outpouring on these Gentiles confirmed the meaning of the vision according to Peters recounting the story in several places after the event.

Yes you need to differentiate a vision from a command. Many visions on the Bible can’t be taken literal why people don’t want to stop eating bacon if a pig is just like a big rat??🙈

Paul also Writes The Law is Holy yet I am carnal. The Law as a method of obtaining righteousness is what Paul writes against in your texts. However the Law as a standard of judging sin, of instructing us, or of defining doctrine, Paul never opposes. The Law, The Oracles of God, Hebrew Scriptures are God's method of instructing and are not opposed to Spirit for they are Spirit breathed and are Holy, while we are carnal. the problem is not with the Law, or Scripture, it is with us. No one of us can obtain righteousness by following the Law, or Scripture. But the righteousness of God, the righteousness of Christ, which is ours by faith is a gift which the Law and the Prophets attest to and it reveals God's righteousness. His covenantal faithfulness to all who believe. Remember the difference between using it as a method and keeping it as a standard to guide us by. That is important when reading all that Paul and Scripture say about the Law. the negative is using it as a method. the positive is that it always remains as a standard to instruct us by.

the term Christian was a derogatory word used by others to describe Messianic believers like Paul that named themselves as followers of the Way. interesting to note Paul's reply. "what I am" they were still not calling themselves Christian at the time.

Jan Uddin I agree with you. Acts 11:26 the disciples were first called "Christians" in Antioch. The first Gentile converts occurred with Cornelius and company in Acts 10/11. One could say that this name is in fulfillment of Isaiah 62:1-4, with this new name following the first Gentile converts. Of course Peter also seems not to consider this name too degrading (1 Peter 4:16).

@@fleetwd1 That maybe so, but I have never liked the term, and prefer messianic, in actual fact, it was derived from the word Christos, which wasn't translated from the Greek, I was born a non Jew, but had to be circumcised due to a physical problem as a small child, that a Jew does make me, but it enabled me to take part in a pesach meal when I visited Jerusalem over 20yrs ago, as a stranger in the camp during passover, I explored the old city for the period I was there, and spoke to many interesting people. I was born in, and live in the UK, the only child of working class parents, it was Dr Shalum that drew me here, as I can empathise with his beliefs concerning "Jesus". Yeshua in Hebrew, meaning salvation. Thank you for posting this debate. Shalom.

@@fleetwd1 sorry Paul was not a messianic follower of Yeshua. He was a Pharisee trying to prevent Gentiles from converting to Judaism. He has been extremely successful in his endeavor.

for those who want to read this in English How unfortunate that they do not have subtitles and the possibility of translating into Spanish. How awful Sorry Jose

the fulness of the Godhead bodily within him.

Obviously superior knowledge. He could read in a time when only a few could. There were closer ties to the Temple priesthood than is acknowledged. Jesus was at the Temple preaching.

Jesus seemed to have an escatology and view of the afterlife that is more aligned with the pharisees than the karaites(who did not exist at that time).

@@beslanintruder2077 Me thinks you have no idea what it means to be a Karaite and that you are attributing the teaching of the Pharisee Paul to the teaching of Yeshua. Contrary to what you have been taught in church, almost all of the writings we have in the NT that are not from John were collected by Luke as he tracked Paul down for the murder of Stephen who according to the Jews that came to the trial from Jerusalem to witness was actually Jesus. The copies we use of Matthew and Mark show obvious changes made by Paul in them. According to James, who likely went by the title Yeshua, it was time for the lost sheep of the house of Israel to come home by becoming Torah observant. Paul throughout his teachings, like all Pharisees, wants all Gentiles, Israelites or not, to only obey the Noahide laws, not become full-fledged Jews. What Gentiles fail to recognize about Rabbinic Judaism is that Gentiles view Judaism as a religion where conversion is possible. Where Jews consider their religion as what makes them a distinct nationality with a desire to stay separate even if it offends God. Shalom

@@tombutler7296 I see what you are saying but do Karaites believe in the Resurrection and a day if judgement?

@@beslanintruder2077 My understanding of the term Karaite is that the scribes have changed the written Torah and that when we stand before God we are each personally responsible for knowing what those changes are. If we look to other people for understanding like rabbis or priests we will be deceived. In my opinion, what Yeshua taught us is that the prophets alone speak for God. When many prophets tell something is in conflict with the teachings in the Torah the scribes have changed that. Do you know of the Documentary Hypothesis? Since there is no leadership of a church or set doctrine in the Karaite Way followers believe what they can defend attempting to end all cognitive dissonance about God. I think universally Karaites believe in what you might call a day of judgment, but I do not think my idea of a day of Judgment is even close to any Christians or even many Jews. As for the Resurrection, I personally believe it is only for a few. I do not think God is omnipotent as I was always told. Instead, I believe he created this world as a source for souls that truly desire to serve him over their own passions and pleasures. I see judgment day as a bunch of one-way doors where a person must make a choice. The first one may be how many gods are there? Options 0, 1, many, 3 in 1. There is only one. Is there anyone at all that you believe does not belong in God's Kingdom? The answer is no. Last question What do you want for lunch? Will it be Kosher, Vegetarian, or do you like pork or shellfish? Those that answered either of the first two questions wrong or ate of God's pets will go to sleep forever and those that pass the test will be added to his servants. Shalom

I don't see ant relevance to the video.

this is not a knock to you personally, the GOD OF THE BIBLE AND THE QUARN ARE TWO DIFFERENT GODS, AND THE GOD OF THE BIBLE YAHWEH OR ELOHIM, NOT ALLAH THE MOON GOD OF THE MEDIANS

@@michaelhiggs869 I need a Hebrew teacher to teach me orignAl meaning

@@Emet441-z8r JACOB PRASCH

@@michaelhiggs869 why not Joseph shulam

I prefer to look at Paul as bringing the fuller understanding to the faith of Abraham and the faithfulness of God to complete his covenantal promises through His Son becoming Abraham's seed and blessing the whole world through the line of Judah. So instead of bringing an end he brought out the true meaning of it. which is It's completion in the Messiah.

@@fleetwd1 I erred. Thank you for correcting me! Perhaps, I should have written - out of Judaism's Temple, to Judaism's fulfilment, in Christ.

@@jacksteiner8842 yes very good

good point but a rebuttal would be Abraham did not have the instruction given to Moses. But his Covenant was not nullified when the Sinai Covenant was later given. God promised in Genesis 15 he would accomplish everything to bring about the promises. At Sinai Israel promised to keep the Covenant but quickly violated it. Abraham's Covenant was based upon better promises. It was a type for the New Covenant where God through the Messiah kept his promise to Abraham and Israel's promise to God fulfilling Israel's obligation. .

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@@lostnfoundllc Kings with harems never seem to end well. Solomon ended up worshiping the idols of his women and not Yehovah. Solomon started well but finished badly. Xerxes had a harem but went single woman man because Vashti disrespected him at a party. Yehovah stopped a plot to exterminate the Jews using Xerxes new and better woman, Hadassah. Xerxes started badly but ended well because he disbanded the harem.

I'm now a one woman, i should say no woman man because the lord God has come for me, he completely pulled me out of almost marrying a girl that was toxic by giving me eyes to see ears to hear, my heart crushed for literally no reason no closure other than in bringing me back to and closer than ever to The lord God almighty. 1luv1heart namaste

@@lostnfoundllc Bros before Hoes. Big guy's got your back.

yes you got it right as did Joseph Shulam. there are a few typos but understood what you meant.

you are reading false charges against Paul in Acts 21:21 you need to be careful when you give weight to Scripture. you must beware of the context and intent. Luke defends against these false accusations and records in many other places that Paul was observant. Paul shows how Torah teaches Abraham was to be Father to all nations and was given the covenant of promise formalized in Genesis 15 some 30 years before he and his household were circumcised. The Apostles agreed not to burden the Gentiles with circumcision (See verse 25) they also asked Paul to take part in a Nazarite vow to prove these claims against him were false and he did. (see Verses 23-24). the context is extremely important to understanding any text.

@@fleetwd1 No, I can't agree with your statements. There are enough evidence in the Scriptures to prove that Paul did not observe the Torah in the way as rabbies did. He did pretend to be based on the situations he did face in order to avoid fatal conflicts with angry jews as we can see in Acts 21 and 24:18 etc. And as the lawyer I would say that Paul did follow the the hidden transaction principle which rules the actual intentions and acts not the seemed ones, 1 Cor 9:19-23.

@@fleetwd1 Please also read this: www.scielo.org.za/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0259-94222016000300031

@@marek8734 Disagree if you will. it stands with proper exegesis. you do not apply what Satan says to Christ as if it is true. same principle.

No There are a lot of New testament Fragments from the 2 Century.... so,it was not a later invention there are a lot of Jewishness in the New Testament.. so, it cant be a Greek thing according to most Academics and Historians : Jesus really existed as a Jewish Rabi living in Israel in the 1 Century theres nothing of Greek mythology in the New Testament Doctrines and Faith.

I disagree… with whom did God say He would make a New Covenant…? Israel and the house of Judah… As gentiles we are grafted into THEIR covenants God made with them, Jesus was/is a Jew (of the tribe of Judah), a son of Israel, and from the house of David (a king of the Jewish people)… God made His covenants with Israel and never divorced them as is the common Christian traditional interpretation of the prophets. We are guests and adopted into the family of Israel. The Jewishness of our faith is extremely important to understand, grasp and uphold.

i was there in person. I think you are reading a bit into that. There were areas that the professors were not well versed on. Joseph handled it well.

the term Jew comes from when Abraham's great grandson Judah had descendants who ruled Israel as Kings. David and then Solomon were the first Royal decedents of Judah. When Israel broke away from Judean rule, after Solomon's Son oppressed them, the term Jew meant from the Judean territory made up of several tribes that stayed under the Judean kingship. The descendants that came from the breakaway tribes were from Samaria not Judea.

IT'S NOT WHAT ENTERS INTO THE MOUTH THAT DEFILES A PERSON BUT IT'S WHAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH THAT DEFILES THE MAN. MATTHEW 15:11

@@yeshuaischrist9951 PRAISE YAHSHUA THE EMPHASIS THERE WAS THE WASHING OF THE HANDS NOT FOOD. THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN EATING FOOD. YAHSHUA SAYS THE COMMANDMENTS ARE HIS (YOCHANAN/JOHN 14:15, 14:21, 14:23) WHICH WILL INCLUDE THE FOOD LAWS, SO TO SUGGEST THAT HE FORBIDS CERTAIN MEATS FOR HIS CREATION AND THEN BREAKS HIS OWN LAW BY EATING THESE MEATS AND CONDONING THIS INDULGENCE IS REDICULOUS. SHALOM.

He does not claim to be even though he completed training as a Rabbi. He knows the culture and respects it.

issac brott and your Rabbi has taught you what?