What I like about thr 2003 than the Clone Wars : - Grievous is strategic, strong and savage instead of always running away from his enemies. - The Droids were terrifying. - How Gendy illustrates "Wars" as both two sides of the coin are being portrayed.
@@RRai2000 He was just giving his opinion,plus he wasn't discriminating TCW by comparing it to 2003. He never saidbit was shit or garbage,he just said he liked 2003 more...
Unrealistic. Droids in prequels never are terrifying. Grievous could not even take down Kenobi alone in RoTS. Really exaggerated that he could kill 5 Jedi at once.
This is what THE Clone Wars series was missing, an enemy that was actually a threat. Tartakovsky understands that an enemy has to be a threat in order for the viewer to actually give a darn, so once we've seen plenty of Republic victories he shows that despite all we've seen so far the Separatists are winning elsewhere and are on the move.
I guess your right. The Clone Wars show showed the Separatists committing all kinds of atrocities and proved they were evil, but the Separatists didn’t have very many victories in many episodes. And grievous was portrayed as too much of a coward rather than a feared Jedi slayer. Disappointing to a degree
Agreed, they weren't really a legitimate threat or even a competent army in the newer clone wars, both the battle droids and commanders were nerfed, Dooku was captured and assaulted multiple times by generic rabble, Grievous couldn't fight one Jedi despite having a collection of their lightsabers, Poggle the Lesser's planet was overrun with zombie larvae and he wasn't even seen as the real leader of Geonosis, it wouldn't even be a war if they were that underpowered in the movies, the republic would've won in two seconds. This version of The Clone Wars did a better job of portraying the separatists.
I totally agree. They were portrayed as an evil and ruthless enemy in the new series, but we rarely see them have a victory. This scene portrays them the same way, but we see them actually doing shit. Don’t get me wrong, I love both of the Clone Wars shows. Each of them had their strengths and weaknesses, but this one takes the bad guys to a whole new level.
@@Intrepid_Crusader1096 Max Rebo *used* to play for the cantina but he never paid his tab. Damn drunken blue elephants. I don’t care if it sounds prejudiced.
It would've been great to see this in the 2008 Clone Wars series; most of the time we see the droids as pretty much useless comedy material. In this series, they were cold unfeeling machines who would relentlessly march against the enemy until victory or destruction was achieved. The 2008 version just made it harder to see the Separatists as an actual threat.
@Commander Cody So when battle droids tripped over themselves, fell for obvious tricks, crashed tanks or made obnoxious comments, that was intimidating?
@Commander Cody Maybe not silent, but more cold and efficient. In the 2003 series, they used expressions like "Did you hear something?" "Negative." Similar behavior to what we see in The Phantom Menace. They put the "battle" in battle droid in the fight against the Naboo guards and in the battle against the gungans. In the 2008 version, they trip over themselves, make ridiculous comments and die in pretty much comical and completely avoidable ways.
@@jeffdrowned7163 Meh that how the droid where made. They where supposed to be dumb and weak but very cheap and made in the Millions in days. But ya the droid at first might seem very weak but you forgot for every clone made in Star Wars a 1,000 droid where made too.
I love how this song (originally from Geonosis) is also used when the clones march on the Jedi Temple. Emphasizes there really was no good or bad guy and they weren’t that different after all, and also both Palpatine’s pawns.
I love this, shows the Separatists were actually dangerous, their fleets were large and stronger with more ship to ship roles, the droid armies despite being comedic were still a force no one would want to face
Plus since they were controlled by a computer, then a droid attack meant that the computer calculated it was likely to win the battle. So even before the fight starts, you know the computer in orbit has likely decided it can defeat you at acceptable losses. That is a nasty psychological advantage the droids have. The controlling computer isn't motivated by ego, revenge, honor, or other similar concepts, just pure numbers. So in order to win you have to use clever tricks, hide your actual strength, and pull off strange maneuvers in order to throw off the computer's calculations. But each time you pull off one of those tricks that is just more data being fed back to the computer. A clever trick used once will be factored into future assaults. Hiding your strength in one location means that the strength is not in another location. Strange maneuvers can be copied and transmitted electronically. Each battle is a chance for the droid armies to get stronger, and hopefully you can destroy enough droids to make it a net loss.
I like how all of the ships were the same Providence-class, because I doubt they had come up with the Munificent-class ship for Episode 3, that appeared frequently in the CGI show
@@nickirmen6671 Bal'demnic. One of the more unique battles of the Clone Wars, since the natives were simultaneously fighting both the Republic and the CIS.
This is what TCW failed to do. TCW constantly TOLD us that the CIS were ruthless, successful conquerors, but they never SHOWED it. All we ever saw was an army of incompetent fools that made stormtroopers look like Winter Soldiers by comparison and they NEVER let them beat the good guys. Remember in Empire Strikes Back where the movie literally started with the Empire kicking the Rebels' asses? The reason why the Rebels needed to lose that battle was to give the audience a reason to fear the Empire. Tartakovsky realized that importance and as such he had the Separatists win the Battle of Hypori and showed their successful sieges of the Mid Rim. Every writer should know that you HAVE to let the good guys lose sometimes in order to strengthen them for a more important battle. In Legends, it even looked like the CIS was going to win the war in its first year. It wasn't until the beginning of the Outer Rim Siege campaign when the tide turned.
hard to feel much tension in the final battle if the good guys have already won. By season 3 of the clone wars I already felt like the separatists had been virtually wiped out due to their constant unrelenting failure
There is literally a whole intro from one of the episodes which TELLS us that grievous has been successful at defeating the republic on a number of occasions before SHOWING his fleet absolutely crushed by Anakin and his ships.
@@alyssinclair8598 Yeah the only antagonists the show seems to care about are everyone but the separatists, its honestly embarrassing to see how bounty hunters and fucking Hondo are shown to be more capable and more threatening to the heroes than a massive military force with jedi killers as its leaders. Wouldn't surprise me if Jabba and his forces could take down the CIS.
I love this clone wars because it made both sides seem fearsome. By doing that it gives the war a more epic struggle feeling. I’ve always felt like that was missing in the other clone wars. I love that series but they made the CIS just a punching bag…especially Grievous
There are a few times this happens or almost happens On Felucia in season 2 The problem is that the newer clone wars focused less on the big battles and more on character development Before season 7 the largest battle we saw was umbara Which was about a traitor Jedi And some other notable arcs include Onderon, Geonosis, Christophsis and malastare looked the biggest but it ended within 3 mins because they used a WMD The real villains were much more subtle And also just in general after season 5 the battles started to become secondary to other matters
In legends media the clone wars were a very stiff and close run thing. If Palpatine hadn't manipulated the war from behind the scenes, the CIS would have rolled over the Republic. One of the first campaigns of the war was the Battle for Jabiim, where the Republic and CIS intervened in the local civil war. It ended in a catastrophic Republic defeat, where they suffered heavy materiel, clone and jedi losses while evacuating the planet. There's quite a lot of clone wars media from before the 2008 clone wars, such as books and comics, though I would not be sure where you could read on them now. Wookiepedia sources list should be the best option.
You completely right, near the end of the clone wars, the separatist were desperate so they tried to take how many worlds they could in outer rim, so they can have a clear attack on coruscant
I think it's cool to see the two Wookies in the beginning. Seeing a little bit their culture. An adult Wookie taking a younger one on a hunt, probably his son.
@@darrenrock3387 Chewbacca was already an adult by this time. However, it could be the chief's son. In legends lore, the CIS and the Wookies were in negotiations, and grievous, impatient at the lack of progress, ordered the assasination of the prince and planned to frame it on the republic. However, the trick was found by the prince's bodyguard (Chewbacca), and the wookies who were closing in on an agreement were in uproar when the news was sent.
The separatists sure did know how to invade a system, with absolute overwhelming numbers and fire power. And they were the underdogs! Especially when you compare economies/territory/military infrastructure
The new clonewars show treated the droids badly I miss the old way droids were treated in the 2003 Clonewars the clones and droids were treated equally as 2 unstoppable forces
I love the weird creepy vibe that normal battle droids have in the 2003 series. While they are not really a big problem in combat for the clones there is just something uncanny about their movement and fighting in general like they really are just mechanic marionettes programmed to kill without thinking
Interesting. I think this is the only bit of Star Wars media that shows wookees being an arboreal life form as they're said to be. Their buildings are kinda in trees in some other places, but this is the first time I've seen them actually look like they're at home in the trees.
The final months of the Clone Wars where the CIS launch an all attack on the Outer Rim which will be known as the Outer Rim Sieges. The Republic were outnumbered and at first were reeling under the initial assault as major outer rim planets fell to the CIS. It was not until the Republic send their reserve fleet from the Deep Core and Mid Rim to counter the CIS and from there a long and bloody battle took place.
Oddly I think something is up when you realize this was going on while the republic was nearing the end of the clone wars. All of this... was palpatine's means to draw as much troops away to thin them out
@@Attmanwart same could be said for the Rakatans, Hutts, Sith empires, Mandalorians, Clones, Galactic Empire and Pykes. Basically any evil Dark Sided empire in the star wars universe.
They were probably rescued afterwards by Jedi Knight Nem Bees (the poor Ortolan who we see is staring out to the advancing droid army; yes, he's actually not a defenseless civilian). Pity they would end up his downfall.
@@davididiart5934 honestly I wish we got/get more star wars media where droids, clones, stormtroopers or even factions we haven't seen on the big screen yet like the Sith empire or youzhan vong being ruthless and conquering worlds
@@davididiart5934 I'm not a fan of that era either. But to say the vong weren't a cool army would be an understatement. Either way it's too bad Di$ney wont take a risk like that; if they do they'll turn the Vong into jokes.
This shows why the CIS was the most terrifying. Droids, unrelenting, don’t give a fk about their own survival. Only about killing, and winning the battle. Terrifying.
@@lsthero5863 And they also took control of the Republic, if this had not happened, the diplomatic crisis between the two nations would probably have ended without a war.
@@condedooku9750 I Don’t think the corporations would allow the republic to end this with diplomacy. If the things followed a natural course the clone wars would have happened still, but not with clones and the CIS as the only ones with a democràtic system.
@@lsthero5863 Megacorporations are not naturally evil entities, they only do what is most economically profitable, leaving morality aside, the truth is that megacorporations only wanted to end the absurately high regulations of the Republic, which, in conjunction with the immense bureaucracy of the Senate to do anything, it caused the megacorporations to be losing money, by leaving the Republic they had already won the war since they had also managed to do business in a nation with a free market, so if it had not been for the Siths the Megacorporations would have no reason to want a long, tedious, and expensive war, in which they also know that if they lose all their leaders will be executed or imprisoned, and their corporations will be liquidated, therefore, I think that a peace is the most appropriate result.
Happy now, Master Mundi? (And what follows in Kashyyyk are the events shown in: - the Republic Commando video game - the Order 66: A Republic Commando Novel, - Episode III: Revenge of the Sith, - the Kashyyyk campaign missions for Battlefront I 2004 and II 2005 - Republic comics issues 82-83, which consist of the Into the Unknown arc - Clone Wars Adventures Volume 4's "Descent", - Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader and, - The Force Unleashed, preferably the PS2/Wii/PSP/Switch take.)
People often forget that despite being an army that was designed to end up on the loosing side of the war, under General Grievous The Separatists ground thousands of worlds under the relentless march of their battle droids.
Does anyone notice that the Trade Federation vehicles like the C-9979 Landing Craft, AAT, MTT, & Vulture Droid are still in their Trade Federation colors here, while in the 2008 Clone Wars, they were all in the Separatist colors, while the MTT was in the Trade Federation colors and the Vulture Droids & Lucrehulks were in the Separatist colors in Revenge of the Sith?
Fun fact: The grown Wookiee's name is Tarkov, and his son's is Jaccoba, after Genndy Tartakovsky's own son. Another fun fact: The battle shown at 0:43 is at Bal'demnic, a cortosis (a lightsaber neutering metal) mining planet and where Darth Tenebrous, Darth Plagueis' Bith master, died. Yet another fun fact: the poor Ortolan at 1:00 is actually an undercover Jedi Knight named Nem Bees, who was there to stop a traitor leader from helping out the Sep invasion, and even when it happened, he ended up sabotaging the traitor's efforts and also sent in a counterattack group to resecure the planet Orto; alas, he will be executed come Order 66 later on by one Clone Commander Deviss during the battle to eliminate the Seps.
What's the Turkish looking world at 0:40 that the Seps were carpet bombing? Also Bal'demic was neutral world that was fighting both the Republic and CIS, along with the Hutts, Mandalorians, and Echani. And if any CIS or Republic cruiser went into the Unknown Regions, the Vong would've fought them as well. And fun fact: Cortosis was also being mined on both Kejim and Artus Prime by the Empire during the time of the OT up until Jedi Outcast.
@@michaelandreipalon359 no problem. And that's unfortunate because out of all the worlds in this montage, that planet looked like it was subject to the worst atrocities.
This is the time when Force Users,Droids, and Clones are really unstoppable killing machines anyone who goes to their way will get obliterated I like that idea when all 3 are unstoppable but the 2008 Clone Wars failed to show us that they only portrayed them as jokes
This is how the droids should have been, they don't eat and they don't sleep. They don't feel fear, they don't show mercy and they dont need leaders or heroes. They kill with cold, calculating machine logic.
I’m gonna need out and state that Kashyyyk was a major linchpin during the clone wars because of its close proximity to the core world trade routes coming from the outer rim. If the seperatists took the planet they would effectively cut off the core from trade, starving out the republic.
@@achaudhari101 it is the truth whether you like it or not. Disney is mostly catering to the butthurt OT purists that were rampaging towards Lucas, the prequels and the EU back in 2009-2014.
@@achaudhari101 either you were not in the star wars fandom back in 2009-2014 or you're one of those Di$ney shills/OT purists that's talks shxt about the prequels, EU and special edition. Also fake canon? Idk about you bud but this stuff was released under Lucas's watch and he did approve of this stuff until he came up with TCW. So either you're being revisionist or you dont know how business works. If anything is fake canon it's your Di$ney sequel trilogy and Chuck Windig books.
I mean you had the Holiday Special, the Ewoks shows and the weird 90s comics and novels like Dark Empire and Crystal Star. But yes, Star Wars back then was so much cooler
This entire series was made literally right before Revenge of the Sith, as I recall. I think they were only given a few details to work with as it was made to promote Episode III. I'm guessing at their studio they were handed a picture of the Invisible hand and told that it was the new CIS cruiser so they just went and rolled with it, or else they would have showed Munificient, Lucrehulk, and Recuscant types of ships.You'll notice that if you watch the series multiple vehicles and droids don't have their Separatist markings either. Even the ground artillery tri-droids are based on concept art. What? I like the CIS!
I don’t really care that much lol. Providence Carriers are scarier than Munificent frigates. It just adds to the intimidating look of the CIS; the fact they have an armada of Providence Carriers
They had to work with what they had at the time. George Lucas kinda just handed them the Invisible Hand concept art and that was it. I don’t really mind though.
Had to work with what they had and 3D animation was fairly new for tv back in that time, which is what they used when animating ships. It’s easier to just have one model and repeating it than making multiple different ones.
The new clone wars show was good but I hated how goofy and full of personality the droids in the separatist army had. They are supposed to be murderous soulless killing machines but instead they are nothing but canon fodder and grievous’s punching bag.
@@Dendricklystable No in the movies, despite being comedic punching bags for the main characters, when it came to killing clones (and even Jedi), the droids were more than efficient. For every b1 droid destroyed, a clone also died. In the Clone wars, its more like for every battalion of droids destroyed, a single clone might die.
@@casecao8412 I don't know about that one, there are many more droids than clones, the war wouldn't he sustainable for the republic if that was the case. Also we only see 2 battles in the prequels: the battle of geonosis which was terrible for the republic and the battle of utapau which went well. Most battles were like utapau
