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Really nice trolley subway ride! I liked the portion where the eastbound Market-Frankford line runs parallel to the trolley subway and then rushes past! Thanks for sharing!
Ive rode the El all my life. Only rode the Subway trolleys once. Real neat to see how the tunnel works. Ill tell you one thing these things can really move.
This is quite the trolley line! There are disused branches coming into and going out of the tunnel and the stations are long enough for multi-unit trolley trains, something the MBTA has been deploying for ages. C'mon SEPTA, restore those branches and up your game!
Fantastic! Thanks for sharing! I visited the city in October 2015 and got to ride this, the Darby extension of the 13 (I think that's the route), the Norristown line, and the Media line. I would definitely love to come back to ride some more.
SEPTA has partly emasculated the NHSL. Top speed has been reduced from 70 mph to 55 mph, there's a slow order on the long straight stretch north of Hughes Park*, and they eliminated the flag stops that were the major reason the line was so fast. (*) I'll grant that the slow order's probably not SEPTA's fault. That area is honeycombed with sinkholes.
The trolleys and the EL used to surface at 24th Street (where the PECO building sits now). The tunnels under the river and onward was built in the 50s. The trolleys used to ride down Woodland Ave.
SEPTA seems so similar to the MBTA to me. - SEPTA subway-surface trolleys = The MBTA green line - SEPTA BSL = MBTA orange line - SEPTA MFL = MBTA red line - PATCO = MBTA blue line Like the layout, function, and types of places that they service are crazy similar.
@@mtatransitfan1797 Concerning color yeah. I think MFL is more like the red line though because it crosses through the city, and goes to University city on one end. I think Patco is more like the blue line because it doesn’t cross all the way through center city, just goes one direction to some lesser traveled to suburbs, and also it gets you to the aquarium
The Green Line in particular was directly taken by David Gunn who spent time as the GM of both agencies. Before that, purple was used for the subway-surface lines.
Huh? The Market-Frankford Line is more like the MBTA Blue Line and the PATCO is more like the MBTA Red Line. Now if the Norristown High Speed Line is extended to and integrated into the PATCO line and the southwestern suburban light railways extended from the 69th Street terminal to the trolley subway the analogy would be complete.
If septa extended the trolley east of 13th St the stops would be 11th St, 8th St, 5th St, 2nd St, Adventure Aquarium, Cooper, City Hall, Broadway Portal, Transfer to the river line on the left side of the station Benson, Newtown, Pine, Spruce, Park, Wildwood And Kaighn Loop Between Broadway Portal and Kaighn Loop It would be Streetcar (Since I Like streetcars and Elevated line) But this would Probably Never happen. If this did happens the NJT Route 403 and 451 Would be Cut Back to Haddon Av and Kaighn Av And Hassan Av and Kaighn Av Bus stop would be renamed Kaighn Loop which means Route 403 and 451 would turn around
Very interesting. Though I've lived near Philly pretty much all my life, I've only taken the bus a few times, and have yet to use the trolleys/subways or the Market-Frankford El. I do, however, sometimes see the subway entrances when walking around the city.
If only Mitchell Marmel was here to correct me . . . I believe, as built, the trolley track going around City Hall was originally the outside track, after 15th St., as the El formerly went around City Hall on the inside track, which it appears the trolleys took over.
Great video. I wished you could have showed a 10 either going up or coming down the ramp where it either merges with or breaks away from the other trolleys.
Sadly, Septa is replacing all the Kawasaki LRV’s by 2027. Alstom got the contract to build the new low floor ADA compliant LRV’s. Only one of the Kawasaki’s was wrecked. They and the also same era Kawasaki cars for the Broad Street Line. They proved reliable. The Red Arrow double end Kawasaki LRV will be replaced too.
It’s vary sad, Kcars are one of the most well designed rail vehicles in transportation history. They will get long articulated light rail cars, cut back service witch will be the worst choice. Service drives demand, no one wants to wait 10+ minutes for their transportation.
No its the el train, the main trains is the Orange line or subway. The El which runs along side of the trolleys is lighter in weight than the Orange line trains..
the 1st is actually a spur track that is used to park occasional stranded or dead trolleys. The track was recently disconnected from the main line due to unsuccessful attempts to tie it into the trolleys' communications-based train control signaling system
The old pocket track coukd hold 2 cars. If you had a breakdown you coukd push the dead car in there so you could keep service going. The shop crew could then
come back at nite and take the desd car out. This worked well for over 100 years. Then the "tech" guys installed the cab signaling computers , which cannot distinguish the dead car in the pocket track, so they have shut down the entire subway and detour all thd 5 routes onto the surface diversion route, even in the middle of rush hour. And they call this progress.....lol
The video shows how much faster metros are to light rail. And this is a faster than usual than light rail, because it runs in a subway. So why America continues to build new light rail lines as it primary mode of transit?
@@OperatorLogan just the way the board of commissioners is made up. Its why good ideas like the Roosevelt extension are shot down and bad ones like the KOP Mall high speed line are green lit