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Virtual dj is not processing every variation of the stem prior to loading the track. That would make your database cache ridiculously large. That’s what the folder is for.
@@ClevelandTerry u can choose to separate the stems in vdj as well prior to loading. Or u can use the on demand. They even have an option to export to cdj the precomputed stems. Of course u will need more disk space if u do this to ur entire library. But no one should do that. Lol
I remember when Atomix had the software and Hercules Dj had their first contoller which I had in 2004. I Took it to a club here in NY and they all laughed at me. Now look at what it has become. Oh, back then Virtual DJ had it on lock and then Serato took over. I still use virtual DJ until this day. It is a good program.
Great job CT. I've been using Algoriddim Djay and from what I can tell Serato sounds better. The second row effects takes stems to another level. I can see a lot of DJ's getting into music production after this. Thanks for all of your hard work 👍
I’m definitely all about this. I’ve been using Serato for 15 years now, and I have been wanting this for a while. It’s not likely that I will use the other platforms, and I know that even if Serato is late to incorporate a feature, it still seems to be superior when they do bring it on.
Facts, I've heard people talk about this & that but when Serato puts it in its easier to use an usually better. I just tried the new 3.0 1 click on an analyzed track and you have an accap or a beat no right clicking or folder checking needed.
I'm glad to see the update. Will definitely use it. Now we just need availability for multiple streaming services. And of course, an update to library management. I love VDJ's library interface
There has always been issues with processed vocals (especially with reverbs) that are problematic and causes artifacts, so we'll see what happens down the line. That said, if anyone can perfect this technology, it would be Serato, who pretty much owned the pitch play space with how so good that technology has been. Given that its Stems is developed in-house, I believe it'll get better. I can't wait to play around with it. If it can do it better and cleaner than anyone else, then I do think it's worthy of this update being 3.0. It's been a really hard technology to try and perfect, so kudos to Serato for doing it. Thanks for the overview!
You need to get your ears checked if you think Serato has perfected their algorithm with PnT. This may have been true 10 years ago, but not any more. The Z Plane Algorithm beats it hands down.
@@thatchinaboi1 My ears are fine, thank you. And all things considered, the PnT tech in Serato DJ runs rings around other comparable DJ software, and even some DAWs. It's done fine for me in my DJ sets, and still does to this day.
I use the stems in DJAY in transitions and some blend attempts. I plan to do the same with Serato 3. I also look forward to trying stems with gospel & CCM tracks. I would love to create a set that sparks more use of DJs during Christian church services
Although I will stick with VDj cause it has MUCH better implementation with DENONDJ/enginedj....this is a game changer for seratodjs... salute. Welcome to the party...keep spinning!!
In virtual dj you can pre process and it saves a file next to the track. Right click and batch process stems. I have most of my library pre stemmed batches.
Oh how wonderful. Right after Rane stops supporting their SL boxes does Serato add stems. As much as I've been wanting this feature for years, I won't be buying a new mixer any time soon. Kind of a kick in the bearings for DVS SL box users. And yes, I know it's not Seratos fault (that's on Rane) but this still burns.
As an SL4 and DS1 owner, I feel your pain. I have some mixers I love, that will never have integrated DVS functionality. The MODEL 1 from Playdifferently is hardly a budget analog mixer, and has been designed to interface with high end audio cards, but has not built in DVS support for example. Unfortunately, since RANE was acquired by inMusic, I'm not even sure if there is anything left besides the brand name? inMusic also owns Denon, Numark, Akai, Stanton and more, so they may have a conflict of interest with Serato (e.g. the Denon Prime engine?)? I'm not sure. Hopefully Serato can collaborate with another vendor on a high end DVS box? I know the specs on some mixers are much higher than even an SL4 (e.g. instead of 24bit96KHz, some offer 32bit 384KHz now, though 64bit 784KHz gear also exists, I haven't seen such specs built into a mixer and such sound cards tend to be four figures and up still).
VirtualDJ in 2020 comes out with STEMS... incrementally adds all kinds of extras like STEMS fx processing for each channel, bleed adjustment, more customization to accomodate customer needs and wants... and more and more tweaks as time progresses and users ask for them, etc.... and oh yeah is stable as hell. Serato in 2022... "loook! we haz stuff too!" eventually someone is going to do a complete side by side comparison of each
The struggle with classic rock likely has more to do with the mixing techniques used for the period. Rock was mixed to have a larger than life wall of sound. The mix methods used to achieve that would make separation more difficult than modern mixes that have cell phones, bluetooth devices and tablets in mind. Old Music wasn't made to be deconstructed!
Great Commentary Terry as usual testing it out myself so far the mixer settings do not work with Xdj- Xz they do not work.really need to adjust my curve crossfader adjustment can’t do it right now with this update!
I just found you can ALSO use Parameter buttons on DDJ SR2 for vocal or instrumental isolation. I’m using pads under Sampler. This might work for other controllers.
Hi Terry they also need solid wave forms, those jagged lines are hard on your eyes. I have Serato dj pro and Rekordbox dj. Serato sounds better but they have been lazy throughout the years. I prefer Serato but they must move away the sub standard thinking of following rather than leading. If Serato overhaul there dj preferences give more personalized control to djs with Hi or Low end computers, write trace Metadata directly to files. I can go on, but it is a step in the right direction.
It sounds pretty good.I will use this but when its a full release .A video on the pad modes would be useful .I mainly use the pads for cue points on my Rane 72mk 2.I would happily switch a mode for this when its out of beta but a video on how to do that would be cool Ta very much.I am very happy they finally got around to it.
Wow that's a trip. Live wicked mix edits. It cuts out a lot of the frequency content but, it gives it that time stretched sound that I hate. Realistically no one without tuned ears will pick up on it with another track playing but, I for sure wouldn't solo the effect.
Did my brother say stems in Serato Dj is or ways the first? Virtual DJ 8.5 had this method scene 2021. A fare comparison would have been playing the same song on both software for true results. Virtual DJ process the stems very quickly. Your presentation indicates Serato is the software you love. I been using both, I prefer Virtual dj because of the many advance feature.
Yes VDJ has other advanced features. That's why I love Virtual DJ more. It's more technical. I love thee amazing things it does 1st before others followo
I love Cleveland Terry. It has been a fact that he is a Serato fan and user of course he would be more bias to his choice of software. Even if he knows the competition is way ahead in developing stems.
After two years Serato now has stems, and they are already bragging that it's better than Virtual DJ's version. I bet a lot of the guys commenting have never used Virtual DJ that's why. Cleveland Terry has always been a advocate for Serato, so I'm not surprised.
Love that you went over what it's doing to classic rock tracks. I didn't even think about using stems for sampling and beat makers. This is a game changer based on how clean it's isolating compared to djay or vdj... This just made me download the beta!
@3:35 - yeah that's my impression - I'm like 'oh yeah ok cool - and then what' . 😅 but for real.. I just focus on a great music collection to play for people to dance to..all the chachkies..bells and whistles.. you gotta know your market for that stuff and in my experience.. it's pretty limited.. or limited time in a job. Maybe I'm a traditionalist..but I do love gizmos in the mix , and getting into the core of the production steps involved in this music..bringing it to the DJ.. which I always thought was the basis of the DJ to deconstruct / re-arrange and present on a tasty mix platter for the party guests... :) thanks for the sober video .. I think it does garnish the '3.0' title but it's not the game changer - maybe I'd hype it a bit more if it did have control on the actual board not just touch screen. I'm still waiting for that software from the A-TRAK mixer to be added to the 72 software firmware update.. which was fader effects I think.
great demo my question is what's your computer specs when doing this video. peoples opinions on specs for stems working properly are all over but mostly leading into people buying new computers
Can a stem be saved to a song? Kinda like serato flip? Say I wanna have 1 song that I wanna have acapella out at the chorus... Can I save it to the song and next time I loaded it it will remember that acapella out?
I think it can give the user easier access to cross gender mixing and overall a better mixing experience. From what I’ve had time to test it seems really positive. Something worth pointing out, Stems really does take it out of my old i5 processor on the laptop, slowing it right down, so if you are using an older less capable laptop/pc stems will test its ability.
it would be great if they also added an Export button so you can save the stems separately directly into a wave of mp3 track (without needing to play the entire track and record the master out which will affect the quality of the saved track). Also because this could then be done in offline mode.
I'll stick with Virtual DJ. It handles a much larger ibrary VERY WELL, without freezing and bogging down. Also, the VDJ stems feature is laid into the main program and you don't have to put them into a stems folder to use. It's used as needed live on every song as youre playing! But can use just like this on pads also!
You didn’t watch the video thoroughly. The stems folder is a secondary solution. It does live stems perfectly. Also, how big is your library? I’ve never had issues that bogged down my system.
@@ClevelandTerry fair point. Was commenting as I watched. Lol. 😀 Library is extensive. Near 500,000 ... I have Crate Hackers, but I cant just only bring 10,000 songs. I have waaaay to many ppl ask if I have this or that and I wouldn't be able to accommodate if I didn't bring along my conplete library 🙃. Makes me feel awesome, when I can accommodate a 50th/60th wedding anniversary couple's FIRST SONG FROM 1972 !!! Shows professionalism I feel ! Thanks for the update!! Looking forward to meeting you someday, C.T. !! 👍🎶🎵
@@matthewjswider many many. BUT, when a couple comes to me and explains that they have a CERTAIN song they'd love to hear, and I'm able to play that to recreate and spark memories... its worth it ALL! 👌 😌 👍
I don't know why VDJ is underated. VDJ leads and other softwares follow. So I suggest other DJ software users respect the innovation & creation Virtual DJ been. Virtual DJ also precomputing. VDJ leads and others follow
Lol it’s hilarious caz this is a game nothinger. Not a single DJ will ever care to use this during Live Shows!!! People who’ve never DJed Live do not realize that song selection, reading a crowd, mixing tracks into each other, & holding down the entire operation as the person controlling the music Live for a crowd of people whatever the size is more than enough to manage at the same time. Hitting one wrong button a single time during a live DJ set can and will mess up the entire event!!! Lol this is a very fun and cool feature to mess around with at home to create some cool live mashups/remixes!
Can't wait till they actually work some kinks but the only fact that this does work on your ram power is one of the big issues for a lot of djs who have like a 2015 Mac I feel for them.. for others it does work it out but works ok. Your only gonna use it maybe just a few times just for a few records
Virtual dj been doing this I have made some SUPER DOPE REMIXES TERRY.i know you can here it but it's adale easy on me over murrays quick sand and yes I did it flawlessly with vdj..
I knew 'stems' as a production term. So what I'm gathering it's "Virtual DJ' that made it kind of common vernacular?? I just started hearing people say 'stems' more the last 3 years.. is this why ?
So CT... I would Like to share, what I've found so far, testing with Serato 3.0... You have the option to have the system Analyze the file LIVE, while in the mix.... This WILL take up a lot of CPU Power, OR... You can drag some files into the Stems folder to be Per-Analyzed, Before you start. Note... Unlike analyzing a fine for BPM Key etc... When you analyze for stem, there is no progress screen... only the icon on the side of the file, changing from Gray to White, when the file is ready. But most off... Is the Location of the stem file itself? Serato make’s a COPY of the file your analyzing... and place the new file, in the same folder as the original. It’s Not in a dedicated folder that can be stored elsewhere. One may not plan to set up they're complete library for stem , But note... that if you have a folder with 20 files in it, and you analyze 10 of them, you will end up with 30 files, in that folder. Serato doesn't give you the option to save the analyzed files elsewhere... So you’re faced with two options’… Having a Strong computer, that can analyze on the fly... OR Having enough storage space, to almost DOUBLE your music library.... I’m sure this will be addressed, but all and all... Serato is heading in the Right Direction...
You mentioned that at the moment the stem separation is only on the pads and not mappable to faders/rotaries. And that that’s probably not an issue for most DJs. I have to disagree , stem separation will always have artifacts which is why they are really only useful in a mixing context, having them on pads feels almost pointless with current implementation . I absolute abuse the neural mix crossfades in djay ( with my touch based dj template ) but been looking for greener pastures as their updates keep breaking custom midi mappings and midi import. Looks like it’s a little while yet before it’s Serato
This is what I’ve been waiting for. When I said that I thought algoriddim wasn’t user friendly enough this is what I’m talking about. Eventually serato and others would come out with this tech and having allllll of the other things serato already does well, it’s curtains for other players in the space.
